So, how many leftists will admit socialism failed Venezuela?

[francoHFW]

All the socialists and Democratic socialists, which is the same thing in the modern world, are talking is about fair capitalism with a good safety net. Remain calm and try the real world, super duper.

You really do not know what socialism is do you ?

It isn't communism, brainwashed functional moron. I have a masters in history dumbass. Read any book or Wikipedia and it will tell you there have been three definitions of socialism since Marx.his ideology proven wrong, the USSR version which turned out to be a totalitarian scam, and ever since the 20s and 30sit has meant faire capitalism with a good safety net always Democratic. Unless you live in GOP dupe America or a communist country with their propaganda.and the new Dupe theory that Nazis were socialists is hilarious everywhere in the world but you stupid assholes to be concise.
"We are all socialists now!"--Finland prime minister when Obama Care passed.

I'm not Socialist in the least...did you want to try and take something of mine?

As a republican, how could you be for fair capitalism with a good safety net? Brainwashed functional moron.

Life comes with risks, you commie fuck. Why is it that you believe that a portion of my sweat equity exchanged for federal reserve notes should be confiscated to subsidize lazy, worthless, ignorant fucks like those of your ilk? Want to steal from me? Do it face to face instead of begging "gubermint" to do it for you so you don't have to see the one you stole from, ya gutless wonder.

Mario Cuomo said Reagan made it acceptable to blame the poor. We used to call them the unfortunate, because it is true. They are not lazy or stupid they are unfortunate and doing the best they can. I am happily retired. For the gazillionth time. Look up brainwashed in the dictionary.try thinking about what the worst inequality and upward mobility in our history means, idiot. And the GOP has been giving your money to the rich for 35 years. Poor America.

 

[Dale Smith]

You really do not know what socialism is do you ?

It isn't communism, brainwashed functional moron. I have a masters in history dumbass. Read any book or Wikipedia and it will tell you there have been three definitions of socialism since Marx.his ideology proven wrong, the USSR version which turned out to be a totalitarian scam, and ever since the 20s and 30sit has meant faire capitalism with a good safety net always Democratic. Unless you live in GOP dupe America or a communist country with their propaganda.and the new Dupe theory that Nazis were socialists is hilarious everywhere in the world but you stupid assholes to be concise.
"We are all socialists now!"--Finland prime minister when Obama mmun passed.

I'm not Socialist in the least...did you want to try and take something of mine?

As a republican, how could you be for fair capitalism with a good safety net? Brainwashed functional moron.

Life comes with risks, you commie fuck. Why is it that you believe that a portion of my sweat equity exchanged for federal reserve notes should be confiscated to subsidize lazy, worthless, ignorant fucks like those of your ilk? Want to steal from me? Do it face to face instead of begging "gubermint" to do it for you so you don't have to see the one you stole from, ya gutless wonder.

For the billionth time, Democrats and socialists want to raise taxes only on the rich, cut them on the rest. And make life a lot fairer to regular people. You are a brainwashed functional moron who snaps back to Communism every time. Ridiculous.

STFU, you dumb ass, stupid fucking commie. You don't even know nor realize that you are being used like a crackwhore by the very ones you claim to be against????

GOOD GOD and for the sake of all things holy!?!?!?! Who in the fuck decides who gets what in your lil; commie utopia, dipshit???? Hint: The very ones that are financing the demcrat communist party and open borders, ya dumb brainless fuckwad.

So grateful for the internet so I can delve into the mindset and study stupid fucks like Franki but I am spared of actually having to share the same air with him.....

 

[francoHFW]

You seem to forget it was Perez that did most of the damage. He Nationalized the Oil Industry. And started the corruption in the Politicians. Not only were the seeds sown for failure, the whole damned garden was planted during the second half of the 1970s and beyond. Chavez had a real mess on his hands when he took power in 1998. And he was in the process of working on the corruption. Yes, many of the corrupt millionaires fled. Their only option was to stay and be thrown in prison. Chavez tried to work within the Venezuelan Constitution. But he died before he could get much done. When Meduro took over, Meduro used the very military that Chavez refused to use to quell the population. At that point, the US President Obama and then Trump laid even more economic sanctions. All of a sudden, starting in 2015, those very stores that Chavez set up to feed his people had long lines and empty shelves. Meduro wasn't smart enough to figure out how to deal with it. So he used military force. Chavez never did, he used his Military to get food to the people, get them medical help, and more. But the damage was already done after 1975 when the Oil Industry decided to not sell Valenzuela the badly needed equipment and support for it's oil industry, it's only means of national support and that was under Perez. If you can't find it, you can't pump it, you can't refine it, you can't ship it, it's pretty well worthless to have it in the ground. Chavez found work arounds for that and made inroads for the people. Meduro isn't a pimple off Chavez's ass and the corruption returned. But no where as bad as it was under Perez and before. You have to understand, the "Golden" period for Venzualla was all the way back to the early 70s. Under Perez, it slowly went downhill. By the time Chavez came along, Venzuealla was a bankrupt nation.

And GOP sanctions and covert action since at least 2002, that have now made it impossible for them to sell their oil? LOL

They still are under economic sanctions and can't get the equipment nor the support to get the oil to sell much less process the oil. Only the Russians have come to their aid with their own equipment and support and will buy their oil. Of course, anyone making a deal with the Russians are making a deal with the Devil.

The US and Europe are still providing crippling economic programs to them. Vensuella has NO chance of pulling out of this mess.

They can't get the equipment nor the support because they don't pay their bills and they loot any company that is dumb enough to do business with them. Businesses aren't charities. They expect to get paid.

They can't get the western equipment because the western companies boycotted them in 1975 when they booted the corporate raiders out of the country and still do today. But they are getting that equipment and support from Russia today. Russia did an end run. Look for things to get better. Still, Meduro needs to go.

You mean they refused to do business with thugs who expropriated their property and didn't pay them what they were owed.

Too bad the American thugs finally lost their Monopoly in other countries.... They made plenty of money in the 50s and 60s.

 

[francoHFW]

Dude, you are a fucking IDIOT! OF course they get stipends, subsidies and food stamps. Are you REALLY that fucking stupid???? They don't vote? Who is stopping them if they have legal residency by showing a utility bill? Like they can check every single person and whose to say that those with the power to prevent them from casting a ballot would use that authority. You are beyond naive. Why do you think that leftards don't want any part of a voter ID law???? Kinda hard to "vote early and often" with that rule in place.

Off topic, but I thought you would enjoy this.

Sandy Hook Victim's Father Wins Defamation Suit; Alex Jones Sanctioned

Speaking of conspiracy theorists, Phillip Stallings was arrested. He's another nutjob, just like you.

Durham man charged with 56 counts of sexual exploitation of minor

He founded the Christian flat earth society.

You conspiracy nutjobs are birds of a feather.

Hey ya, Billy Sue! Conspiracies like how leftards believe that the ROOSKIES and Trump cheated Hildebeast and the leftards out of the 2016 election????

Like every Democrat and Republican in the intelligence committees and every head of every intelligence organization in the United States and every respected media and law enforcement in the world, brainwashed functional moron?

Wrong. Only the heads under Obama supported it, moron.keep watching Fox Rush Limbaugh etc etc and you just get dumber and dumber. You live on another planet and you don't care. Brainwash

Bologna.keep watching Fox Rush Limbaugh etc etc and you just get dumber and dumber. You live on another planet and you don't care
Yes, 17 intelligence agencies really did say Russia was behind hacking
Oct 21, 2016 · Clinton warned Putin was behind hacking, months ago ..... “ We have 17, 17 intelligence agencies, civilian and military who have all concluded that these ...

 

[francoHFW]

It isn't communism, brainwashed functional moron. I have a masters in history dumbass. Read any book or Wikipedia and it will tell you there have been three definitions of socialism since Marx.his ideology proven wrong, the USSR version which turned out to be a totalitarian scam, and ever since the 20s and 30sit has meant faire capitalism with a good safety net always Democratic. Unless you live in GOP dupe America or a communist country with their propaganda.and the new Dupe theory that Nazis were socialists is hilarious everywhere in the world but you stupid assholes to be concise.
"We are all socialists now!"--Finland prime minister when Obama mmun passed.

I'm not Socialist in the least...did you want to try and take something of mine?

As a republican, how could you be for fair capitalism with a good safety net? Brainwashed functional moron.

Life comes with risks, you commie fuck. Why is it that you believe that a portion of my sweat equity exchanged for federal reserve notes should be confiscated to subsidize lazy, worthless, ignorant fucks like those of your ilk? Want to steal from me? Do it face to face instead of begging "gubermint" to do it for you so you don't have to see the one you stole from, ya gutless wonder.

For the billionth time, Democrats and socialists want to raise taxes only on the rich, cut them on the rest. And make life a lot fairer to regular people. You are a brainwashed functional moron who snaps back to Communism every time. Ridiculous.

STFU, you dumb ass, stupid fucking commie. You don't even know nor realize that you are being used like a crackwhore by the very ones you claim to be against????

GOOD GOD and for the sake of all things holy!?!?!?! Who in the fuck decides who gets what in your lil; commie utopia, dipshit???? Hint: The very ones that are financing the demcrat communist party and open borders, ya dumb brainless fuckwad.

So grateful for the internet so I can delve into the mindset and study stupid fucks like Franki but I am spared of actually having to share the same air with him.....

Sure, Super Dupe. nobody is for open borders. Pass the 2010 Democratic comprehensive immigration Bill with a good work ID card that will end this GOP scam. The wall is stupid and won't do a damn thing. They want to keep this going forever.

 

[Dale Smith]

I'm not Socialist in the least...did you want to try and take something of mine?

As a republican, how could you be for fair capitalism with a good safety net? Brainwashed functional moron.

Life comes with risks, you commie fuck. Why is it that you believe that a portion of my sweat equity exchanged for federal reserve notes should be confiscated to subsidize lazy, worthless, ignorant fucks like those of your ilk? Want to steal from me? Do it face to face instead of begging "gubermint" to do it for you so you don't have to see the one you stole from, ya gutless wonder.

For the billionth time, Democrats and socialists want to raise taxes only on the rich, cut them on the rest. And make life a lot fairer to regular people. You are a brainwashed functional moron who snaps back to Communism every time. Ridiculous.

STFU, you dumb ass, stupid fucking commie. You don't even know nor realize that you are being used like a crackwhore by the very ones you claim to be against????

GOOD GOD and for the sake of all things holy!?!?!?! Who in the fuck decides who gets what in your lil; commie utopia, dipshit???? Hint: The very ones that are financing the demcrat communist party and open borders, ya dumb brainless fuckwad.

So grateful for the internet so I can delve into the mindset and study stupid fucks like Franki but I am spared of actually having to share the same air with him.....

Sure, Super Dupe. nobody is for open borders. Pass the 2010 Democratic comprehensive immigration Bill with a good work ID card that will end this GOP scam. The wall is stupid and won't do a damn thing. They want to keep this going forever.

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You are a lying sack of shit.......and you are not the spokesperson for the demcrat communist party......

 

[Oldstyle]

You really do not know what socialism is do you ?

It isn't communism, brainwashed functional moron. I have a masters in history dumbass. Read any book or Wikipedia and it will tell you there have been three definitions of socialism since Marx.his ideology proven wrong, the USSR version which turned out to be a totalitarian scam, and ever since the 20s and 30sit has meant faire capitalism with a good safety net always Democratic. Unless you live in GOP dupe America or a communist country with their propaganda.and the new Dupe theory that Nazis were socialists is hilarious everywhere in the world but you stupid assholes to be concise.
"We are all socialists now!"--Finland prime minister when Obama Care passed.

I'm not Socialist in the least...did you want to try and take something of mine?

As a republican, how could you be for fair capitalism with a good safety net? Brainwashed functional moron.

Life comes with risks, you commie fuck. Why is it that you believe that a portion of my sweat equity exchanged for federal reserve notes should be confiscated to subsidize lazy, worthless, ignorant fucks like those of your ilk? Want to steal from me? Do it face to face instead of begging "gubermint" to do it for you so you don't have to see the one you stole from, ya gutless wonder.

For the billionth time, Democrats and socialists want to raise taxes only on the rich, cut them on the rest. And make life a lot fairer to regular people. You are a brainwashed functional moron who snaps back to Communism every time. Ridiculous.

Yeah, right...that's what Democrats always promise to do to pay for their entitlements...only tax the rich...but every time they try...the rich move their capital into tax havens to keep that from happening and then the Democrats go after the Upper Middle Class to make up the difference. Want a perfect example? Look what happened when New Jersey imposed their tax on millionaires!

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

You really do not know what socialism is do you ?

It isn't communism, brainwashed functional moron. I have a masters in history dumbass. Read any book or Wikipedia and it will tell you there have been three definitions of socialism since Marx.his ideology proven wrong, the USSR version which turned out to be a totalitarian scam, and ever since the 20s and 30sit has meant faire capitalism with a good safety net always Democratic. Unless you live in GOP dupe America or a communist country with their propaganda.and the new Dupe theory that Nazis were socialists is hilarious everywhere in the world but you stupid assholes to be concise.
"We are all socialists now!"--Finland prime minister when Obama Care passed.

I'm not Socialist in the least...did you want to try and take something of mine?

As a republican, how could you be for fair capitalism with a good safety net? Brainwashed functional moron.

Life comes with risks, you commie fuck. Why is it that you believe that a portion of my sweat equity exchanged for federal reserve notes should be confiscated to subsidize lazy, worthless, ignorant fucks like those of your ilk? Want to steal from me? Do it face to face instead of begging "gubermint" to do it for you so you don't have to see the one you stole from, ya gutless wonder.

For the billionth time, Democrats and socialists want to raise taxes only on the rich, cut them on the rest. And make life a lot fairer to regular people. You are a brainwashed functional moron who snaps back to Communism every time. Ridiculous.

Fair capitalism ? Taking money from people to give to others. Your so full of shit.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Went West

Don't have a clue...do you? Typical, Franco postings...

He may have been being glib and trolling but he's right. The Jobs were in the West and many men went west to the government jobs and then sent for the families later. They drove their cars, trucks, walked, rode the rails. whatever it took to get there.

I'm curious, Daryl...what do you think had more of an impact on job creation in the US...westward expansion...or the industrial revolution? Hint...the Franco train's leaving the station...you might want to jump off now!

Actually, both had a profound affect. I doubt if we could have had the huge industrial revolution without the resources of the west and the western expansion would not have expanded as fast without the industrial revolution. Both would have happened, just slower without the other. What's that, a trick question? I suggest you jump on or off that train but wait until it gets to at least 100 mph first.

So the industrial revolution that was taking place in Great Britain? Would THAT not have happened if western expansion hadn't taken place? Your premise is deeply flawed. The industrial revolution was taking place in the late 1700's. At the time only 5% of the American population lived west of the Appalachian mountains! Western expansion was NOT the engine driving the American economy.

The British Industrial Revolution was taking place then. It wasn't until the last half of the 1800s that the US had it's real heavy Industrial Revolution and that was due to the introduction of the Rails to get the raw resources from the west to the east. You keep trying to present cracked history.

And in 1793, I have an ancestor that was living west of the Appalachians. My Indian ancestor have yet to even have crossed over yet being from what was then known as North Carolina. But my White Ancestor crossed. And so did hundreds of others. What was driving the American Economy was agricultural mostly. America exported raw materials to Europe where they were in the process of their own industrial revolution. It was the Railroad that brought the US it's own industrial revolution and heavy expansion. So the Expansion did come first so that did drive the industrial revolution. But one without the other would not have provided a stable situation. The East needed those raw materials and agriculture products that the west (meaning west of the ohio river) had to offer in order to start the Industrial Revolution of the last half of the 1800s. And it was Railroad and one Canal that made it possible.

Stay focused here. If you wish to discuss Europe, discuss it with a European. He knows a hell of a lot more about European History than either of us do.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

You seem to forget it was Perez that did most of the damage. He Nationalized the Oil Industry. And started the corruption in the Politicians. Not only were the seeds sown for failure, the whole damned garden was planted during the second half of the 1970s and beyond. Chavez had a real mess on his hands when he took power in 1998. And he was in the process of working on the corruption. Yes, many of the corrupt millionaires fled. Their only option was to stay and be thrown in prison. Chavez tried to work within the Venezuelan Constitution. But he died before he could get much done. When Meduro took over, Meduro used the very military that Chavez refused to use to quell the population. At that point, the US President Obama and then Trump laid even more economic sanctions. All of a sudden, starting in 2015, those very stores that Chavez set up to feed his people had long lines and empty shelves. Meduro wasn't smart enough to figure out how to deal with it. So he used military force. Chavez never did, he used his Military to get food to the people, get them medical help, and more. But the damage was already done after 1975 when the Oil Industry decided to not sell Valenzuela the badly needed equipment and support for it's oil industry, it's only means of national support and that was under Perez. If you can't find it, you can't pump it, you can't refine it, you can't ship it, it's pretty well worthless to have it in the ground. Chavez found work arounds for that and made inroads for the people. Meduro isn't a pimple off Chavez's ass and the corruption returned. But no where as bad as it was under Perez and before. You have to understand, the "Golden" period for Venzualla was all the way back to the early 70s. Under Perez, it slowly went downhill. By the time Chavez came along, Venzuealla was a bankrupt nation.

You are so full of shit it's unbelievable. Your narrative is total fantasy. For one thing, Perez was also a hardcore leftwinger. The differences between his policies and those of Chavez are indistinguishable. Somehow you manage to absolve Chavez of all blame and place it on the guy who came before and the guy who came after. The reality is that they were just three ducks in a row, and life for people in Venezuela got steadily worse under them.

Chavez played the cards that was dealt to him. He operated inside the countries Constitution. And he made one hell of a difference. He cleaned up the corruption that Perez made and put Venzeualla back on track. The operative word here is Corruption. No matter what the government style you have, if you allow corruption to the degree that Perez did you are going to have a bankrupt country. And then you do the same with Meduro it's bankrupt again. Chavez threatened to put the corrupt politicians and corporate raiders in prison and they left the country. He didn't let them leave with their loot. He invested in the people's infrastructure. Perez and Meduro allow the corruption to happen and it bleeds the country dry. It's not about socialism, it's about corruption.

What's amusing is that you really seem to think that Chavez himself wasn't corrupt.

He wasn't but he did have some Generals that were. Meduro kept them on after Chavez died. They helped to keep Meduro in power even today.

Chavez wasn't corrupt? Gee, how was it that he amassed the huge personal fortune that he died with? You think that some Generals that were under Chavez were corrupt but that he wasn't? Does that even make sense to you? Seriously?

Like ALL Politicians, Chavez did skim some off the top. Hell, you wonder how a lowly US Congress Critter that doesn't have two nickels to rub together when he first gets into congress goes from that to a multi millionaire in just 4 years time? Remember that the next time you pull that lever.

And I can easily bet that Chavez did a whole hell of a lot more good for the Venzuelan People than your piece of crap Congress Critter does for the majority of the people in your state. Care to compare the two?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

You seem to forget it was Perez that did most of the damage. He Nationalized the Oil Industry. And started the corruption in the Politicians. Not only were the seeds sown for failure, the whole damned garden was planted during the second half of the 1970s and beyond. Chavez had a real mess on his hands when he took power in 1998. And he was in the process of working on the corruption. Yes, many of the corrupt millionaires fled. Their only option was to stay and be thrown in prison. Chavez tried to work within the Venezuelan Constitution. But he died before he could get much done. When Meduro took over, Meduro used the very military that Chavez refused to use to quell the population. At that point, the US President Obama and then Trump laid even more economic sanctions. All of a sudden, starting in 2015, those very stores that Chavez set up to feed his people had long lines and empty shelves. Meduro wasn't smart enough to figure out how to deal with it. So he used military force. Chavez never did, he used his Military to get food to the people, get them medical help, and more. But the damage was already done after 1975 when the Oil Industry decided to not sell Valenzuela the badly needed equipment and support for it's oil industry, it's only means of national support and that was under Perez. If you can't find it, you can't pump it, you can't refine it, you can't ship it, it's pretty well worthless to have it in the ground. Chavez found work arounds for that and made inroads for the people. Meduro isn't a pimple off Chavez's ass and the corruption returned. But no where as bad as it was under Perez and before. You have to understand, the "Golden" period for Venzualla was all the way back to the early 70s. Under Perez, it slowly went downhill. By the time Chavez came along, Venzuealla was a bankrupt nation.

And GOP sanctions and covert action since at least 2002, that have now made it impossible for them to sell their oil? LOL

They still are under economic sanctions and can't get the equipment nor the support to get the oil to sell much less process the oil. Only the Russians have come to their aid with their own equipment and support and will buy their oil. Of course, anyone making a deal with the Russians are making a deal with the Devil.

The US and Europe are still providing crippling economic programs to them. Vensuella has NO chance of pulling out of this mess.

They can't get the equipment nor the support because they don't pay their bills and they loot any company that is dumb enough to do business with them. Businesses aren't charities. They expect to get paid.

They can't get the western equipment because the western companies boycotted them in 1975 when they booted the corporate raiders out of the country and still do today. But they are getting that equipment and support from Russia today. Russia did an end run. Look for things to get better. Still, Meduro needs to go.

You mean they refused to do business with thugs who expropriated their property and didn't pay them what they were owed.

No, they refused to do business with people that the Oil Companies told them NOT to do business with. Venzueala had the money back then and did pay their bills. But the US companies had the monopoly in the equipment. And even the Oil companies bought from those support companies. Those support companies were not owned by the oil companies. But the US equipment support companies were not the only ones that the US could buy that equipment and support from. They also could buy it from Europe and Russia. If you are the CEO of the Oil support Company, do you piss off your biggest customer or do you freeze a smaller customer at their "Request". That's not a question. Europe was doing the same thing over Total and BP. Recently, an end run has happened and Venzuela is starting to flow oil again. Russia is selling them the support equipment in exchange for ......making a deal with the devil. This puts people back to work slowly. When your only major industry is oil, it takes awhile to get it back to a commercial success. The problem here is, Meduro and many of his Generals are corrupt as hell. It doesn't have a damned thing to do with what type of government there is. It's all about corruption. The Government before the Perezes was a so called Democracy but it was corrupt as hell and was in bed with Exxon/Mobil, Conaco, Texaco, Shell, BP, Total and others that were raping the nation. A corrupt Capitalist has something that the corrupt socialist doesn't have.
When a corrupt capitalist goes corrupt on a national level he will REALLY suck in the money because that's what he is good at. It takes the corrupt socialist a bit longer. But it ends up the same way. And from about 1975 to present, Venzuealla has had nothing but corruption for government. In order to find the "Golden" years, you have to go back sometime before the government just before the Perez regime and that was at least 50 years ago. It did take the Perez tag team pair a few years to trash the place so during the early years of those two things did look pretty good but corruption set in pretty quick especially under Madam Perez.

It wasn't Chavez that kicked the foreign oil companies out, it was the Perez tag team in 1975 and both the US and Europe were doing it's damnedest to get even since. The hatred of the West was and still is pretty damned high. But with Russia now selling them the support equipment that gets the petro dollars flowing, even if there is graft, much of it will go into the economy at some point. And Russia will buy the oil at a cut rate and sell it on the world market at a premium. And unless you can't admit it, that's just good capitalism.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

You are so full of shit it's unbelievable. Your narrative is total fantasy. For one thing, Perez was also a hardcore leftwinger. The differences between his policies and those of Chavez are indistinguishable. Somehow you manage to absolve Chavez of all blame and place it on the guy who came before and the guy who came after. The reality is that they were just three ducks in a row, and life for people in Venezuela got steadily worse under them.

Chavez played the cards that was dealt to him. He operated inside the countries Constitution. And he made one hell of a difference. He cleaned up the corruption that Perez made and put Venzeualla back on track. The operative word here is Corruption. No matter what the government style you have, if you allow corruption to the degree that Perez did you are going to have a bankrupt country. And then you do the same with Meduro it's bankrupt again. Chavez threatened to put the corrupt politicians and corporate raiders in prison and they left the country. He didn't let them leave with their loot. He invested in the people's infrastructure. Perez and Meduro allow the corruption to happen and it bleeds the country dry. It's not about socialism, it's about corruption.

What's amusing is that you really seem to think that Chavez himself wasn't corrupt.

Perez was no Hugo, that's ridiculous.

47 recessions and worse before the Great Depression. You'd think ignorance was an honor.... You never heard of going west and starting over oh, you ridiculous buffoon?
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...Vaw0O6Xhw0IZTxIVHOxFcVNby&cshid=1561323804377

Recessions are a naturally occurring economic part of life, Franco...we did in fact regularly have and recover from recessions before FDR oversaw what came to be known as The Great Depression! Going "west" as you put it was what was happening when the US was primarily an agrarian society...moving to big cities to work in industries instead of on farms was what changed the nation...not moving west!

I never said

47 recessions and worse before the Great Depression. You'd think ignorance was an honor.... You never heard of going west and starting over oh, you ridiculous buffoon?
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...Vaw0O6Xhw0IZTxIVHOxFcVNby&cshid=1561323804377

I'm only counting 35, and most of them were less than a year long. Furthermore, prior to the Great Depression, people didn't get laid off. They had their pay cut for a short time. The idea that government can make the economy run without a hiccup is what allows things like the Gulag to be created. Government caused most of the recession. It certainly caused the Great Depression.

Deregulating fool crony GOP government to be concise... Just like 1989 and 2008....your version of 1800 economy is hilarious. And I just finished a book on the Pullman strike of 1894...

You really do not know what socialism is do you ?

It isn't communism, brainwashed functional moron. I have a masters in history dumbass. Read any book or Wikipedia and it will tell you there have been three definitions of socialism since Marx.his ideology proven wrong, the USSR version which turned out to be a totalitarian scam, and ever since the 20s and 30sit has meant faire capitalism with a good safety net always Democratic. Unless you live in GOP dupe America or a communist country with their propaganda.and the new Dupe theory that Nazis were socialists is hilarious everywhere in the world but you stupid assholes to be concise.
"We are all socialists now!"--Finland prime minister when Obama Care passed.

Maybe you should get a refund on that degree.

Google the socialist international which has been all democratic since the fifties at least. Little known facts in English speaking countries. Because we've got the great Savage Capitalist imperialist the conservative English and Americans telling us what to think of socialists.... Certainly the socialist parties in Scandinavia France Germany Italy Spain know what socialism is. So do Polly scientists and well-informed people.

One problem. None of those countries are socialist countries because Socialism is not a style of Governing, it's a style of economics. What you call Socialist Governments are actually Dictators, Oliarchies, Federal Republics, Social Democracies, Monarchies and Fascists. All use Capitalism and Socialism to make things operate on a day to day basis in a large scale. The only time you can only have Capitalism is in a very small scale like a single Corporation. When you have a Country, you are going to have to introduce Social Programs. And yes, Capitalism is going to have to pay for those social programs. The more complex (larger) the country is, the more complex the mix of Capitalism/Social programs are going to be. But each and every style of governing can be eaten up by Corruption. Take a good hard look at the US. We aren't far from it ourselves.

Well they think they are socialist and most of the people in the world do. You're splitting hairs here. I'm talking about countries being socialist not governments.and basically I'm just talkin about how they treat their workers middle class poor etc etc. And socialist also means democratic.

Democratic is a form of Government, not a economic model. Apples and Oranges. You are trying to do exactly what they are trying to do just to either win a stupid argument or rewrite the meanings of the words.

 

[bripat9643]

You are so full of shit it's unbelievable. Your narrative is total fantasy. For one thing, Perez was also a hardcore leftwinger. The differences between his policies and those of Chavez are indistinguishable. Somehow you manage to absolve Chavez of all blame and place it on the guy who came before and the guy who came after. The reality is that they were just three ducks in a row, and life for people in Venezuela got steadily worse under them.

Chavez played the cards that was dealt to him. He operated inside the countries Constitution. And he made one hell of a difference. He cleaned up the corruption that Perez made and put Venzeualla back on track. The operative word here is Corruption. No matter what the government style you have, if you allow corruption to the degree that Perez did you are going to have a bankrupt country. And then you do the same with Meduro it's bankrupt again. Chavez threatened to put the corrupt politicians and corporate raiders in prison and they left the country. He didn't let them leave with their loot. He invested in the people's infrastructure. Perez and Meduro allow the corruption to happen and it bleeds the country dry. It's not about socialism, it's about corruption.

What's amusing is that you really seem to think that Chavez himself wasn't corrupt.

He wasn't but he did have some Generals that were. Meduro kept them on after Chavez died. They helped to keep Meduro in power even today.

Chavez wasn't corrupt? Gee, how was it that he amassed the huge personal fortune that he died with? You think that some Generals that were under Chavez were corrupt but that he wasn't? Does that even make sense to you? Seriously?

Like ALL Politicians, Chavez did skim some off the top. Hell, you wonder how a lowly US Congress Critter that doesn't have two nickels to rub together when he first gets into congress goes from that to a multi millionaire in just 4 years time? Remember that the next time you pull that lever.

And I can easily bet that Chavez did a whole hell of a lot more good for the Venzuelan People than your piece of crap Congress Critter does for the majority of the people in your state. Care to compare the two?

Chavez fucked the Venezuelan people.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Chavez played the cards that was dealt to him. He operated inside the countries Constitution. And he made one hell of a difference. He cleaned up the corruption that Perez made and put Venzeualla back on track. The operative word here is Corruption. No matter what the government style you have, if you allow corruption to the degree that Perez did you are going to have a bankrupt country. And then you do the same with Meduro it's bankrupt again. Chavez threatened to put the corrupt politicians and corporate raiders in prison and they left the country. He didn't let them leave with their loot. He invested in the people's infrastructure. Perez and Meduro allow the corruption to happen and it bleeds the country dry. It's not about socialism, it's about corruption.

What's amusing is that you really seem to think that Chavez himself wasn't corrupt.

He wasn't but he did have some Generals that were. Meduro kept them on after Chavez died. They helped to keep Meduro in power even today.

Chavez wasn't corrupt? Gee, how was it that he amassed the huge personal fortune that he died with? You think that some Generals that were under Chavez were corrupt but that he wasn't? Does that even make sense to you? Seriously?

Like ALL Politicians, Chavez did skim some off the top. Hell, you wonder how a lowly US Congress Critter that doesn't have two nickels to rub together when he first gets into congress goes from that to a multi millionaire in just 4 years time? Remember that the next time you pull that lever.

And I can easily bet that Chavez did a whole hell of a lot more good for the Venzuelan People than your piece of crap Congress Critter does for the majority of the people in your state. Care to compare the two?

Chavez fucked the Venezuelan people.

They were already super fucked before he came along. He tried to make the extremely large purple shaft a bit smaller.

 

[francoHFW]

Chavez played the cards that was dealt to him. He operated inside the countries Constitution. And he made one hell of a difference. He cleaned up the corruption that Perez made and put Venzeualla back on track. The operative word here is Corruption. No matter what the government style you have, if you allow corruption to the degree that Perez did you are going to have a bankrupt country. And then you do the same with Meduro it's bankrupt again. Chavez threatened to put the corrupt politicians and corporate raiders in prison and they left the country. He didn't let them leave with their loot. He invested in the people's infrastructure. Perez and Meduro allow the corruption to happen and it bleeds the country dry. It's not about socialism, it's about corruption.

What's amusing is that you really seem to think that Chavez himself wasn't corrupt.

Perez was no Hugo, that's ridiculous.

Recessions are a naturally occurring economic part of life, Franco...we did in fact regularly have and recover from recessions before FDR oversaw what came to be known as The Great Depression! Going "west" as you put it was what was happening when the US was primarily an agrarian society...moving to big cities to work in industries instead of on farms was what changed the nation...not moving west!

I never said

I'm only counting 35, and most of them were less than a year long. Furthermore, prior to the Great Depression, people didn't get laid off. They had their pay cut for a short time. The idea that government can make the economy run without a hiccup is what allows things like the Gulag to be created. Government caused most of the recession. It certainly caused the Great Depression.

Deregulating fool crony GOP government to be concise... Just like 1989 and 2008....your version of 1800 economy is hilarious. And I just finished a book on the Pullman strike of 1894...

It isn't communism, brainwashed functional moron. I have a masters in history dumbass. Read any book or Wikipedia and it will tell you there have been three definitions of socialism since Marx.his ideology proven wrong, the USSR version which turned out to be a totalitarian scam, and ever since the 20s and 30sit has meant faire capitalism with a good safety net always Democratic. Unless you live in GOP dupe America or a communist country with their propaganda.and the new Dupe theory that Nazis were socialists is hilarious everywhere in the world but you stupid assholes to be concise.
"We are all socialists now!"--Finland prime minister when Obama Care passed.

Maybe you should get a refund on that degree.

Google the socialist international which has been all democratic since the fifties at least. Little known facts in English speaking countries. Because we've got the great Savage Capitalist imperialist the conservative English and Americans telling us what to think of socialists.... Certainly the socialist parties in Scandinavia France Germany Italy Spain know what socialism is. So do Polly scientists and well-informed people.

One problem. None of those countries are socialist countries because Socialism is not a style of Governing, it's a style of economics. What you call Socialist Governments are actually Dictators, Oliarchies, Federal Republics, Social Democracies, Monarchies and Fascists. All use Capitalism and Socialism to make things operate on a day to day basis in a large scale. The only time you can only have Capitalism is in a very small scale like a single Corporation. When you have a Country, you are going to have to introduce Social Programs. And yes, Capitalism is going to have to pay for those social programs. The more complex (larger) the country is, the more complex the mix of Capitalism/Social programs are going to be. But each and every style of governing can be eaten up by Corruption. Take a good hard look at the US. We aren't far from it ourselves.

Well they think they are socialist and most of the people in the world do. You're splitting hairs here. I'm talking about countries being socialist not governments.and basically I'm just talkin about how they treat their workers middle class poor etc etc. And socialist also means democratic.

Democratic is a form of Government, not a economic model. Apples and Oranges. You are trying to do exactly what they are trying to do just to either win a stupid argument or rewrite the meanings of the words.

I would say socialism is a kind of society, always Democratic Fair capitalism with a good safety net.. I don't have much patience for jargon ideological theoretical babbling etc...

 

[francoHFW]

What's amusing is that you really seem to think that Chavez himself wasn't corrupt.

He wasn't but he did have some Generals that were. Meduro kept them on after Chavez died. They helped to keep Meduro in power even today.

Chavez wasn't corrupt? Gee, how was it that he amassed the huge personal fortune that he died with? You think that some Generals that were under Chavez were corrupt but that he wasn't? Does that even make sense to you? Seriously?

Like ALL Politicians, Chavez did skim some off the top. Hell, you wonder how a lowly US Congress Critter that doesn't have two nickels to rub together when he first gets into congress goes from that to a multi millionaire in just 4 years time? Remember that the next time you pull that lever.

And I can easily bet that Chavez did a whole hell of a lot more good for the Venzuelan People than your piece of crap Congress Critter does for the majority of the people in your state. Care to compare the two?

Chavez fucked the Venezuelan people.

They were already super fucked before he came along. He tried to make the extremely large purple shaft a bit smaller.

He cut homelessness and illiteracy hugely, and brought Healthcare to the masses. With Healthcare a lot of it was bringing very cheap Cuban doctors to the country, which of course drove conservatives absolutely crazy. Hands off Venezuela and all these other countries that have democracies already. and stop supporting dictatorships like Saudi Arabia and all the rest of those places. Republicans seem to think they're smarter than everyone else in other countries and it's always a catastrophe....

 

[Daryl Hunt]

What's amusing is that you really seem to think that Chavez himself wasn't corrupt.

Perez was no Hugo, that's ridiculous.

I never said
Deregulating fool crony GOP government to be concise... Just like 1989 and 2008....your version of 1800 economy is hilarious. And I just finished a book on the Pullman strike of 1894...

Maybe you should get a refund on that degree.

Google the socialist international which has been all democratic since the fifties at least. Little known facts in English speaking countries. Because we've got the great Savage Capitalist imperialist the conservative English and Americans telling us what to think of socialists.... Certainly the socialist parties in Scandinavia France Germany Italy Spain know what socialism is. So do Polly scientists and well-informed people.

One problem. None of those countries are socialist countries because Socialism is not a style of Governing, it's a style of economics. What you call Socialist Governments are actually Dictators, Oliarchies, Federal Republics, Social Democracies, Monarchies and Fascists. All use Capitalism and Socialism to make things operate on a day to day basis in a large scale. The only time you can only have Capitalism is in a very small scale like a single Corporation. When you have a Country, you are going to have to introduce Social Programs. And yes, Capitalism is going to have to pay for those social programs. The more complex (larger) the country is, the more complex the mix of Capitalism/Social programs are going to be. But each and every style of governing can be eaten up by Corruption. Take a good hard look at the US. We aren't far from it ourselves.

Well they think they are socialist and most of the people in the world do. You're splitting hairs here. I'm talking about countries being socialist not governments.and basically I'm just talkin about how they treat their workers middle class poor etc etc. And socialist also means democratic.

Democratic is a form of Government, not a economic model. Apples and Oranges. You are trying to do exactly what they are trying to do just to either win a stupid argument or rewrite the meanings of the words.

I would say socialism is a kind of society, always Democratic Fair capitalism with a good safety net.. I don't have much patience for jargon ideological theoretical babbling etc...

Then you have it sort of right and sort of wrong. When you socialize an economy (i.e. introduce socialism) you can have any form of society or government. Same goes for Capitalism. Socialism is where the economy is controlled and benefited by all. Capitalism is where it's controlled by one or a few and benefits one or only a few. In Capitalism, if everyone benefits, it's just an after affect, not a necessity.

 

[francoHFW]

Perez was no Hugo, that's ridiculous.
Google the socialist international which has been all democratic since the fifties at least. Little known facts in English speaking countries. Because we've got the great Savage Capitalist imperialist the conservative English and Americans telling us what to think of socialists.... Certainly the socialist parties in Scandinavia France Germany Italy Spain know what socialism is. So do Polly scientists and well-informed people.

One problem. None of those countries are socialist countries because Socialism is not a style of Governing, it's a style of economics. What you call Socialist Governments are actually Dictators, Oliarchies, Federal Republics, Social Democracies, Monarchies and Fascists. All use Capitalism and Socialism to make things operate on a day to day basis in a large scale. The only time you can only have Capitalism is in a very small scale like a single Corporation. When you have a Country, you are going to have to introduce Social Programs. And yes, Capitalism is going to have to pay for those social programs. The more complex (larger) the country is, the more complex the mix of Capitalism/Social programs are going to be. But each and every style of governing can be eaten up by Corruption. Take a good hard look at the US. We aren't far from it ourselves.

Well they think they are socialist and most of the people in the world do. You're splitting hairs here. I'm talking about countries being socialist not governments.and basically I'm just talkin about how they treat their workers middle class poor etc etc. And socialist also means democratic.

Democratic is a form of Government, not a economic model. Apples and Oranges. You are trying to do exactly what they are trying to do just to either win a stupid argument or rewrite the meanings of the words.

I would say socialism is a kind of society, always Democratic Fair capitalism with a good safety net.. I don't have much patience for jargon ideological theoretical babbling etc...

Then you have it sort of right and sort of wrong. When you socialize an economy (i.e. introduce socialism) you can have any form of society or government. Same goes for Capitalism. Socialism is where the economy is controlled and benefited by all. Capitalism is where it's controlled by one or a few and benefits one or only a few. In Capitalism, if everyone benefits, it's just an after affect, not a necessity.

Not according to the socialists view, they believe in ALWAYS DEMOCRATIC fair capitalism with a good safety net. LIKE EVERY RICH MODERN COUNTRY EXCEPT US oops.

 

[bripat9643]

What's amusing is that you really seem to think that Chavez himself wasn't corrupt.

He wasn't but he did have some Generals that were. Meduro kept them on after Chavez died. They helped to keep Meduro in power even today.

Chavez wasn't corrupt? Gee, how was it that he amassed the huge personal fortune that he died with? You think that some Generals that were under Chavez were corrupt but that he wasn't? Does that even make sense to you? Seriously?

Like ALL Politicians, Chavez did skim some off the top. Hell, you wonder how a lowly US Congress Critter that doesn't have two nickels to rub together when he first gets into congress goes from that to a multi millionaire in just 4 years time? Remember that the next time you pull that lever.

And I can easily bet that Chavez did a whole hell of a lot more good for the Venzuelan People than your piece of crap Congress Critter does for the majority of the people in your state. Care to compare the two?

Chavez fucked the Venezuelan people.

They were already super fucked before he came along. He tried to make the extremely large purple shaft a bit smaller.

Venezuela was relatively prosperous until the socialist thugs came along. It had the highest standard of living in South America. It has the largest oil reserves of any country in the world. Now they are starving. There's simply no excuse for that.

You're obviously full of shit. Outright lying isn't a way to win an argument.

 

[bripat9643]

One problem. None of those countries are socialist countries because Socialism is not a style of Governing, it's a style of economics. What you call Socialist Governments are actually Dictators, Oliarchies, Federal Republics, Social Democracies, Monarchies and Fascists. All use Capitalism and Socialism to make things operate on a day to day basis in a large scale. The only time you can only have Capitalism is in a very small scale like a single Corporation. When you have a Country, you are going to have to introduce Social Programs. And yes, Capitalism is going to have to pay for those social programs. The more complex (larger) the country is, the more complex the mix of Capitalism/Social programs are going to be. But each and every style of governing can be eaten up by Corruption. Take a good hard look at the US. We aren't far from it ourselves.

Well they think they are socialist and most of the people in the world do. You're splitting hairs here. I'm talking about countries being socialist not governments.and basically I'm just talkin about how they treat their workers middle class poor etc etc. And socialist also means democratic.

Democratic is a form of Government, not a economic model. Apples and Oranges. You are trying to do exactly what they are trying to do just to either win a stupid argument or rewrite the meanings of the words.

I would say socialism is a kind of society, always Democratic Fair capitalism with a good safety net.. I don't have much patience for jargon ideological theoretical babbling etc...

Then you have it sort of right and sort of wrong. When you socialize an economy (i.e. introduce socialism) you can have any form of society or government. Same goes for Capitalism. Socialism is where the economy is controlled and benefited by all. Capitalism is where it's controlled by one or a few and benefits one or only a few. In Capitalism, if everyone benefits, it's just an after affect, not a necessity.

Not according to the socialists view, they believe in ALWAYS DEMOCRATIC fair capitalism with a good safety net. LIKE EVERY RICH MODERN COUNTRY EXCEPT US oops.

Kim Jong-Il believes in ALWAYS DEMOCRATIC fair capitalism with a good safety net? The Castro brothers believe in ALWAYS DEMOCRATIC fair capitalism with a good safety net?