So who represents the GOP? Establishment or Tea party

[Seawytch]

Is it the Establishment Republicans like Rove and his PAC or is it the Tea Party?

First Thoughts: GOP establishment strikes back - First Read

Won't the Tea Partiers say its them and the establishment say its them?

Will it be the Buckley Rule or the Reagan Rule in the battle to come?

 

[GuyPinestra]

The Tea Party has caused the GOP to lose the Senate the last two cycles. Rove is tired of it. He thinks he can wrestle the Primaries away from the TP. Perhaps he can, perhaps he cannot. It will be an interesting battle, with some most unusual allies.

Rove and the Establishment GOP are the cause of that, not the TEA Party, and they will wrestle their way into Democrat control of the House if they keep fucking around with it.

 

[Votto]

is it the establishment republicans like rove and his pac or is it the tea party?

first thoughts: Gop establishment strikes back - first read

 

[Dot Com]

‘They are welcome to support the likes of Arlen Specter, Charlie Crist and David Dewhurst,’ Keller said of the new Crossroads group.” Second, the establishment-backed candidates haven’t always succeeded in general elections, either. After all, folks like Denny Rehberg in Montana and Rick Berg in North Dakota also lost winnable races last year. And third, how much credibility does Crossroads have after its results last year? Bottom line: This effort was bound to happen, but this is going to be ugly -- as both the populist and establishment wings try to become, well, the NEW establishment. The question is whether these more public primary fights help redefine the party in time for 2016.

The conflict is between credible candidates interested in sound and doable governance and extremist ideologues who place dogma over country.

The fact that responsible republican lawmakers (what few are left) must live in fear of being ‘primaried’ is evidence of that.

sadly, 75% of them are in "safe" districts so they're governing AS IF they had a t party challenge coming up in the Primary.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

‘They are welcome to support the likes of Arlen Specter, Charlie Crist and David Dewhurst,’ Keller said of the new Crossroads group.” Second, the establishment-backed candidates haven’t always succeeded in general elections, either. After all, folks like Denny Rehberg in Montana and Rick Berg in North Dakota also lost winnable races last year. And third, how much credibility does Crossroads have after its results last year? Bottom line: This effort was bound to happen, but this is going to be ugly -- as both the populist and establishment wings try to become, well, the NEW establishment. The question is whether these more public primary fights help redefine the party in time for 2016.

The conflict is between credible candidates interested in sound and doable governance and extremist ideologues who place dogma over country.

The fact that responsible republican lawmakers (what few are left) must live in fear of being ‘primaried’ is evidence of that.

sadly, 75% of them are in "safe" districts so they're governing AS IF they had a t party challenge coming up in the Primary.

Actually, that gerrymandering will come to hurt the GOP in the long-run, over the coming years and decades demographics will continue to change, even in ‘red’ areas.

Ultimately republicans will have no choice but to join the rest of us in the 21st Century.

 

[Locke11_21]

I believe the establishment is clearly in charge of the GOP. From the GOP redistricting Alan West in hopes of getting rid of him, and they did, no funding for Michele Bachmann and these are just two examples.

Then of course, the Democrats always win, because they can always count on their rubber stamps, the establishment Republicans to go right along with them in corruption and business as usual.

The TEA Party members have tried, but not only are they fighting the Democrats, there are also not enough of them to even overcome the establshment. There is no more fiscal responsibility from the Republicans than there is from the Democrats and that is due to the establishment scum. If the TEA Party was in charge, we would have gone through at least one government shut down by now. Instead, we that heinous anus Karl Rove and his establishment scum going after TEA Party members just as hard as the Democrats.

The Tea Party has caused the GOP to lose the Senate the last two cycles.

I would say Mitch McConnell and Karl Rove have done far more to damage the GOP than the TP. Oh, how have those establishment types done against Obama the last 2 presidential elections....yeahhhhhh....

Rove is tired of it.

Republican voters are tired of Karl Rove and his ilk, that is why over 3 million of them chose not to vote in 2012.

He thinks he can wrestle the Primaries away from the TP.

Karl is a corrupt scumbag to the bone. He will try every underhanded tactic to accomplish this. But, Karl also though Romney would win, too. The only good thing about losing the 2012 election was the humilation Rove suffered.

Perhaps he can, perhaps he cannot. It will be an interesting battle, with some most unusual allies.

Rove is a real work of art. One minute he declares war on the TEA Party, then tonight he is on Hannity completely "revising" what he said and what he really meant. Conservative radio hosts have been relentlessly attacking Rove and deservedly so. He tried to come on Hannity to save face, but he didn't fool anyone.

 

[OKTexas]

I don't know who represents the GOP but if there is a GOP internal war, I expect the establishment to be the ones who survive. The Teatards don't have the money that the establishment has.

Right, that's why we have a Senator named Cruz and not Dewhurst here in TX, the Tea Parties just couldn't compete. ROFLMAO

 

[auditor0007]

I don't know who represents the GOP but if there is a GOP internal war, I expect the establishment to be the ones who survive. The Teatards don't have the money that the establishment has.

The Republican Party is broken, plain and simple.

 

[Dubya]

Is it the Establishment Republicans like Rove and his PAC or is it the Tea Party?

First Thoughts: GOP establishment strikes back - First Read

So who represents the GOP? Establishment or Tea party

Shitstain on your ass, or Shitstain on your underwear, take your pick!

 

[editec]

When the rank and file TEA PARTY folks finally understand that the GOP doesn't give a rat's ass about their fate THEN this country might be on the road to recovery.

I can easily say the same thing about and to the lefties.

When you folks finally get it that the DNC doesn't give a crap about your fate, then you too might finally GET IT.

Partisans are the DUMBEST people in America. folks.

Their childlike faith in either party is why this nation is going to hell in a fascis/socialist handbasket.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

I think the term 'Establishment' is somewhat misleading. I feel like there is a power vacuum. For instance, Romney was not most 'establishment' members pick for president. But once he was going to be the nominee, they all eventually bandwagon jumped. Even that ditz endorsed him on the day of the election.

But I'll say that most Republicans (and Democrats) are nothing more than power brokers. The common good of the people be damned. People of both sides of the spectrum need to realize that's how it is in our society. As such, even a good percent of tea party candidates end up being establishment actors :Cough - Rubio:

 

[Stephanie]

‘They are welcome to support the likes of Arlen Specter, Charlie Crist and David Dewhurst,’ Keller said of the new Crossroads group.” Second, the establishment-backed candidates haven’t always succeeded in general elections, either. After all, folks like Denny Rehberg in Montana and Rick Berg in North Dakota also lost winnable races last year. And third, how much credibility does Crossroads have after its results last year? Bottom line: This effort was bound to happen, but this is going to be ugly -- as both the populist and establishment wings try to become, well, the NEW establishment. The question is whether these more public primary fights help redefine the party in time for 2016.

The conflict is between credible candidates interested in sound and doable governance and extremist ideologues who place dogma over country.

The fact that responsible republican lawmakers (what few are left) must live in fear of being ‘primaried’ is evidence of that.

lol, must live in FEAR of being premiered. because you Democrats all walk in lockstep and keep all your idiots in office now matter HOW BAD THEY ARE once they are elected, that means Republicans are suppose too..why don't we just crown them king and queens for LIFE

 

[JimH52]

I don't know who represents the GOP but if there is a GOP internal war, I expect the establishment to be the ones who survive. The Teatards don't have the money that the establishment has.

Right, that's why we have a Senator named Cruz and not Dewhurst here in TX, the Tea Parties just couldn't compete. ROFLMAO

I do know that the TP has caused the GOP to lose control of the Senate, at least twice. You call that "competing." If they are successful and turn back Rove and his PAC, they may run their own candidate in 2016. If the TP does, and they control the GOP, the Dems will win a landslide. The GOP is in transition. Time to sit back and enjoy the Battle!

 

[Stephanie]

I don't know who represents the GOP but if there is a GOP internal war, I expect the establishment to be the ones who survive. The Teatards don't have the money that the establishment has.

Right, that's why we have a Senator named Cruz and not Dewhurst here in TX, the Tea Parties just couldn't compete. ROFLMAO

I do know that the TP has caused the GOP to lose control of the Senate, at least twice. You call that "competing." If they are successful and turn back Rove and his PAC, they may run their own candidate in 2016. If the TP does, and they control the GOP, the Dems will win a landslide. The GOP is in transition. Time to sit back and enjoy the Battle!

Yeah sure, you all know the Tea party caused the Gop to lose control of the Senate..but funny how they didn't cause them to lose control of the house, TWICE

you people crack me up with all your so called knowledge of how things went down and your hardon for the TEA PARTY

 

[Mac1958]

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Many Tea Partiers appear to be political neophytes -- nothing wrong with that, the movement struck a nerve with them and they got involved. But the problem with that is that their early (localized only) victories convinced them they had the answers, and that their message would just naturally play nationally.

So they've stuck with their simplistic bull-in-the-china-shop approach without understanding that such a strategy doesn't play on the national stage. Meanwhile, the rest of the party is stuck, because the Tea Party has provided most of the GOP's energy. Yikes, talk about being stuck between a rock and a hard place.

The radio division pimps are clearly lined up behind the Tea Party, exacerbating the GOP's problem. What a mess.

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[Stephanie]

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Many tea partiers appear to be political neophytes -- nothing wrong with that, the movement struck a nerve with them and they got involved. But the problem with that is that their early (localized only) victories convinced them they had the answers, and that their message would just naturally play nationally.

So they've stuck with their simplistic bull-in-the-china-shop approach without understanding that such a strategy doesn't play on the national stage. Meanwhile, the rest of the party is stuck, because the tea party has provided most of the gop's energy. Yikes, talk about being stuck between a rock and a hard place.

The radio division pimps are clearly lined up behind the tea party, exacerbating the gop's problem. What a mess.

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oh brother

 

[Mac1958]

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Many tea partiers appear to be political neophytes -- nothing wrong with that, the movement struck a nerve with them and they got involved. But the problem with that is that their early (localized only) victories convinced them they had the answers, and that their message would just naturally play nationally.

So they've stuck with their simplistic bull-in-the-china-shop approach without understanding that such a strategy doesn't play on the national stage. Meanwhile, the rest of the party is stuck, because the tea party has provided most of the gop's energy. Yikes, talk about being stuck between a rock and a hard place.

The radio division pimps are clearly lined up behind the tea party, exacerbating the gop's problem. What a mess.

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oh brother

Stephanie, I'll continue to hold out hope that you're capable of mature, civil, thoughtful conversation. I made some specific points there. If you don't agree, feel free to respond to them.

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[JimH52]

Right, that's why we have a Senator named Cruz and not Dewhurst here in TX, the Tea Parties just couldn't compete. ROFLMAO

I do know that the TP has caused the GOP to lose control of the Senate, at least twice. You call that "competing." If they are successful and turn back Rove and his PAC, they may run their own candidate in 2016. If the TP does, and they control the GOP, the Dems will win a landslide. The GOP is in transition. Time to sit back and enjoy the Battle!

Yeah sure, you all know the Tea party caused the Gop to lose control of the Senate..but funny how they didn't cause them to lose control of the house, TWICE

you people crack me up with all your so called knowledge of how things went down and your hardon for the TEA PARTY

Very Simple, Steph...The GOP has gerrymandered House districts that provide many loons from the TP to be "safe." They votes are rediculous and they refuse to compromise because they have been handed a "safe" seat. It is only a matter of time until that changes. The demographics are changing so rapidly, even Texas will soon be in play. Rove knows that and is trying to head it off. He may be successful....maybe not. It will be fun to watch!

 

[Stephanie]

I do know that the TP has caused the GOP to lose control of the Senate, at least twice. You call that "competing." If they are successful and turn back Rove and his PAC, they may run their own candidate in 2016. If the TP does, and they control the GOP, the Dems will win a landslide. The GOP is in transition. Time to sit back and enjoy the Battle!

Yeah sure, you all know the Tea party caused the Gop to lose control of the Senate..but funny how they didn't cause them to lose control of the house, TWICE

you people crack me up with all your so called knowledge of how things went down and your hardon for the TEA PARTY

Very Simple, Steph...The GOP has gerrymandered House districts that provide many loons from the TP to be "safe." They votes are rediculous and they refuse to compromise because they have been handed a "safe" seat. It is only a matter of time until that changes. The demographics are changing so rapidly, even Texas will soon be in play. Rove knows that and is trying to head it off. He may be successful....maybe not. It will be fun to watch!

Ah that's right, they only won by gerrymandering. And 48% of (the loons) didn't vote AGAINST re-electing Obama, because all the people have seen the light of the Progressive party and are now disciples
you people would know about electing LOONS, look in your own party

 

[JimH52]

Yeah sure, you all know the Tea party caused the Gop to lose control of the Senate..but funny how they didn't cause them to lose control of the house, TWICE

you people crack me up with all your so called knowledge of how things went down and your hardon for the TEA PARTY

Very Simple, Steph...The GOP has gerrymandered House districts that provide many loons from the TP to be "safe." They votes are rediculous and they refuse to compromise because they have been handed a "safe" seat. It is only a matter of time until that changes. The demographics are changing so rapidly, even Texas will soon be in play. Rove knows that and is trying to head it off. He may be successful....maybe not. It will be fun to watch!

Ah that's right, they only won by gerrymandering. And 48% of (the loons) didn't vote AGAINST re-electing Obama, because all the people have seen the light of the Progressive party and are now disciples
you people would know about electing LOONS, look in your own party

You sound bitter Steph....sorry about the 4 MORE YEARS!