Supporting Kurdish independence

[Kurdistani4ever]

Like fucking all of them! Sharia is for gang raping pedophiles who take pleasure in beating women and wiping the shit from their ass with their bare hand. If muslims ever decide to become real human beings, we can talk.
If muslims could take the energy used to hate and kill (as per the koran), and invent something useful for mankind, it would be a start.

Sorry to say it, but such things only happen among our enemies

Then you're either not a CheeseKurd or you're not a real muslim, which is it?

I'm a kurdistani muslim, anything else

 

[kvetch]

there is another huge minority in Turkey 10 million plus called the Alevis who suffer discrimination

they are a more broad minded heretical muslim sect related slightly to syria's alawites

Germany and France will NEVER let turkey join the EU; that one is dead

 

[kvetch]

I notice quite a few posters here support Kurdish independence, but I hear very little talk about the Kurdish PKK, the largest armed Kurdish independence movement.

Do you support them, or do you consider them terrorists?

I don't support another Muslim theocracy state that would eventually form. Rather I support their desire to kill muslims. Muslims killing muslims is AOK to me! That is a similar reason I support the ASSSSSad regime desire and effort to stay in power. AASSSSSSad needs to keep it up and fight it out to the bitter end!

sling your genocidal g hook and fick off, bastard

 

[kvetch]

Sorry to say it, but such things only happen among our enemies

Then you're either not a CheeseKurd or you're not a real muslim, which is it?

I'm a kurdistani muslim, anything else

are the kurds the true medes themselves

i wish you well in your struggle for an independent kurdistan; you should have had it when promised long ago

 

[kvetch]

Are you making me angry by offend Atatürk dont worry you can say what you want , i dont care i said that i am not racist. After Republic Kurdish people had problems but now all problems solved .. and Kurdish people with us.. just some Kurdish guys having relationship with goats they decided to be terrorist

No i'm not trying to offend you, just telling some facts on Ataturk and i'm sure your not racist, cuz there's nothing wrong in forcing 23 million kurds to live under you flag!

i started to think that you dont have brain .. ??

how can you suppose that all 20 miilllion people supporting Terrorist ? ok ok i understand know because you are a racist and terrorist so you need to do demogogy and propaganda ok good work while representing Turkey in wrong way

i believe in democracy i believe all human need to be free and equal untill they dont exceeds another person's freedom. Search what ottoman Empire did the foreigners , non muslims.

I suggest to American people to visit Turkey and see the truth because you cannot trust a terrorist never ever..

so F amazin

democracy goes like this..you say you support it

if a referendum / majority of kurds vote for independence like our scots would you support it

you are a lot more abusive on this thread than against the zionists...

 

[kvetch]

Are you a fucking idiot?

All my posts in this thread support Türkiye's sovereign border as it is today.

All of my posts support the Kurds having their own country, but not carved out of Türkiye.

All of my posts have condemned the PKK terrorist organization.

So what the fuck are you talking about?

Kurdistan is located in Anatolia, Mesopotamia and Zagros region, kurds will never leave these areas, so just dream on with your kemalist thoughts. And Turkiye? Come on man, your a turk

I'm not a Turk. I just prefer the proper spelling. It avoids confusion with the delicious bird.

All my posts in this thread support Türkiye's sovereign border as it is today.

All of my posts support the Kurds having their own country, but not carved out of Türkiye.

but half at least of the kurds live in south eastern turkey, so what you say is not going to be a proper state of the kurds is it?

I think mr kurdi's map is too big; there aren't a majority of kurds anywhere close to the med sea...they are arabs there when i visited but not kurds

 

[Kurdistani4ever]

Then you're either not a CheeseKurd or you're not a real muslim, which is it?

I'm a kurdistani muslim, anything else

are the kurds the true medes themselves

i wish you well in your struggle for an independent kurdistan; you should have had it when promised long ago

Medes are just one of our ancestors Though most of us prefer to be called the ancestors of the medes, and not hurrians or the many others. And thank you for your support to our path for freedom.

 

[Kurdistani4ever]

Kurdistan is located in Anatolia, Mesopotamia and Zagros region, kurds will never leave these areas, so just dream on with your kemalist thoughts. And Turkiye? Come on man, your a turk

I'm not a Turk. I just prefer the proper spelling. It avoids confusion with the delicious bird.

All my posts in this thread support Türkiye's sovereign border as it is today.

All of my posts support the Kurds having their own country, but not carved out of Türkiye.

but half at least of the kurds live in south eastern turkey, so what you say is not going to be a proper state of the kurds is it?

I think mr kurdi's map is too big; there aren't a majority of kurds anywhere close to the med sea...they are arabs there when i visited but not kurds

Arabs only form majority in Hatay province (As for as i know) And you also have to keep in mind that many kurds moved from there to west Turkey. In Istanbul alone there's 4 million kurds. And that's just one city! So if all the kurds moved back to their ancestral lands, don't you think they would fill up the majority again?

Please don't use the word ''kurdi'' It's an arabic insult against us.

 

[Meathead]

I'm not a Turk. I just prefer the proper spelling. It avoids confusion with the delicious bird.

All my posts in this thread support Türkiye's sovereign border as it is today.

All of my posts support the Kurds having their own country, but not carved out of Türkiye.

but half at least of the kurds live in south eastern turkey, so what you say is not going to be a proper state of the kurds is it?

I think mr kurdi's map is too big; there aren't a majority of kurds anywhere close to the med sea...they are arabs there when i visited but not kurds

Arabs only form majority in Hatay province (As for as i know) And you also have to keep in mind that many kurds moved from there to west Turkey. In Istanbul alone there's 4 million kurds. And that's just one city! So if all the kurds moved back to their ancestral lands, don't you think they would fill up the majority again?

Please don't use the word ''kurdi'' It's an arabic insult against us.

Kurd means nomad in Persian. In other words the same a Gypsy (roma). The scum of the middle east.

 

[Kurdistani4ever]

there is another huge minority in Turkey 10 million plus called the Alevis who suffer discrimination

they are a more broad minded heretical muslim sect related slightly to syria's alawites

Germany and France will NEVER let turkey join the EU; that one is dead

Many Alevis are kurds while the rest are turk. I think alevi is a third version of Islam, but correct me if i'm wrong.

 

[Kurdistani4ever]

All my posts in this thread support Türkiye's sovereign border as it is today.

All of my posts support the Kurds having their own country, but not carved out of Türkiye.

but half at least of the kurds live in south eastern turkey, so what you say is not going to be a proper state of the kurds is it?

I think mr kurdi's map is too big; there aren't a majority of kurds anywhere close to the med sea...they are arabs there when i visited but not kurds

Arabs only form majority in Hatay province (As for as i know) And you also have to keep in mind that many kurds moved from there to west Turkey. In Istanbul alone there's 4 million kurds. And that's just one city! So if all the kurds moved back to their ancestral lands, don't you think they would fill up the majority again?

Please don't use the word ''kurdi'' It's an arabic insult against us.

Kurd means nomad in Persian. In other words the same a Gypsy (roma). The scum of the middle east.

You just love trolling, don't you. Kurd does'nt mean anything in persian, where the hell do you get your info? Our name originates from the sumerian word ''Qarda''. Stop with your false claims already!

 

[Kurdistani4ever]

All my posts in this thread support Türkiye's sovereign border as it is today.

All of my posts support the Kurds having their own country, but not carved out of Türkiye.

but half at least of the kurds live in south eastern turkey, so what you say is not going to be a proper state of the kurds is it?

I think mr kurdi's map is too big; there aren't a majority of kurds anywhere close to the med sea...they are arabs there when i visited but not kurds

Arabs only form majority in Hatay province (As for as i know) And you also have to keep in mind that many kurds moved from there to west Turkey. In Istanbul alone there's 4 million kurds. And that's just one city! So if all the kurds moved back to their ancestral lands, don't you think they would fill up the majority again?

Please don't use the word ''kurdi'' It's an arabic insult against us.

Kurd means nomad in Persian. In other words the same a Gypsy (roma). The scum of the middle east.

Listen up you armenian scum. Why don't you go do something useful, instead of insult us kurds, our homeland and our proud heritage (Medes, hurrians, gutians etc) You don't see me commenting on an armenian topix right? Cuz i'm not a worthless troll.

 

[FckingAmazing]

No i'm not trying to offend you, just telling some facts on Ataturk and i'm sure your not racist, cuz there's nothing wrong in forcing 23 million kurds to live under you flag!

i started to think that you dont have brain .. ??

how can you suppose that all 20 miilllion people supporting Terrorist ? ok ok i understand know because you are a racist and terrorist so you need to do demogogy and propaganda ok good work while representing Turkey in wrong way

i believe in democracy i believe all human need to be free and equal untill they dont exceeds another person's freedom. Search what ottoman Empire did the foreigners , non muslims.

I suggest to American people to visit Turkey and see the truth because you cannot trust a terrorist never ever..

so F amazin

democracy goes like this..you say you support it

if a referendum / majority of kurds vote for independence like our scots would you support it

you are a lot more abusive on this thread than against the zionists...

of course if they wanna separeted i have no problem but you dont know the situation in Turkey.. you are speaking with a terrorist in this thread not a Kurdish... and you cannot separated Kurdds from Turks we are mixed ... i have Kurd relattives friends .. noone support these shitterrorists.

 

[ekrem]

Poor thing with his fake-accounts has written 45 pages and still it is a 'no'.

 

[Kurdistani4ever]

Poor thing with his fake-accounts has written 45 pages and still it is a 'no'.

What? Don't start with all this fake account sh*t. persians are still trying to calm themselfes down, by claiming all nationalistic kurds are fakers Now what's up with your no? Kurdistan won't gain independence by discussing on a forum, that's not what i have in mind either. But if your not human enough to accept our right for an independent state, then feel free to go on like that. But of course you can still look forward to kurds taking over

 

[Kurdistani4ever]

i started to think that you dont have brain .. ??

how can you suppose that all 20 miilllion people supporting Terrorist ? ok ok i understand know because you are a racist and terrorist so you need to do demogogy and propaganda ok good work while representing Turkey in wrong way

i believe in democracy i believe all human need to be free and equal untill they dont exceeds another person's freedom. Search what ottoman Empire did the foreigners , non muslims.

I suggest to American people to visit Turkey and see the truth because you cannot trust a terrorist never ever..

so F amazin

democracy goes like this..you say you support it

if a referendum / majority of kurds vote for independence like our scots would you support it

you are a lot more abusive on this thread than against the zionists...

of course if they wanna separeted i have no problem but you dont know the situation in Turkey.. you are speaking with a terrorist in this thread not a Kurdish... and you cannot separated Kurdds from Turks we are mixed ... i have Kurd relattives friends .. noone support these shitterrorists.

Hey, if kurds want to remain a part of Turkey, then i would accept it. But i have met hundreds of kurds from the north, and they all agree on an independent Kurdistan. This has nothing to do with terrorism, it's the wish of the people.

 

[ima]

Sorry to say it, but such things only happen among our enemies

Then you're either not a CheeseKurd or you're not a real muslim, which is it?

I'm a kurdistani muslim, anything else

But do you use toilet paper or rocks like Mohammy prescribed, to wipe your ass?

 

[Kurdistani4ever]

Turkish sociologist and author Ismail Beşikçi spent 17 years in Turkish prison for his scientific research and opinions on the Kurdish issue. In this interview with Rudaw, Beşikçi says that, while they will probably not gain independence, “the 21st century is the century of the Kurds.”

Beşikçi believes it is very important for the Kurds to preserve and strengthen their unity. On the international level, he feels Kurds have to provoke their issue. “Why should Luxemburg, with a population of 30,000, have an independent state, while 40 million Kurds don’t have one?” he says.

Beşikçi completed his military service in Turkish Kurdistan. After 38 years, he returned to Diyarbakir where he met with Rudaw.

Rudaw: When it comes to solving the Kurdish issue in Turkey, it always seems to be a case of one step forward and two steps back. Sometimes it feels like the problems are about to be solved, but then they are not. Does the Turkish state really want to solve the issue?

Ismail Beşikçi: The Turkish state does not have any particular view on solving the issue of the Kurds. Therefore, it delays dealing with the problem, hoping that it will be solved over time. That is because the Turkish state believes that as time passes, the Kurds will assimilate. A large number of Kurds live in the west of Turkey. The state believes that after two to three generations, they will assimilate and become Turks. I believe this is the plan of the state.

Recently, the state was trying to change the age that children started school from 6 to 5. The state is changing this due to the Kurdish issue. The state is aiming to assimilate Kurds. This is the policy of the state.

Ten years ago, the state did not reveal its goals with regards to the Kurdish issue. However, today and in the recent past, patriotism has grown among the Kurds. Therefore, the state has to reveal its true intentions when it comes to the Kurdish problem.

Rudaw: In order to prevent assimilation into Turkish identity, what do the Kurds have to do?

Ismail Beşikçi: Kurds have to speak and write in Kurdish everywhere. They have to advance the Kurdish language. The Kurds have to direct harsh criticism at the state.

Between 1985 and 1988, in Bulgaria, the Turks were made to name their children Bulgarian names. They were told that if they chose Bulgarian names, their lives would be easier. This Bulgarian policy was severely criticized by Turkish civil society organizations and Turkish publications. They called Bulgaria a fascist state. In 1988, Bulgaria stopped this. Now the problem does not exist. Later, the Bulgarian Turks established their own political party. Now Bulgaria is a member of the European Union.

But until this very day, Kurds in Turkey cannot name their children Kurdish names, particularly those names that contain the Kurdish letters [equivalents of Q, X, W]. These letters are forbidden by law.

The Kurds have to be intelligent in this matter and criticize the government. They have to insist on naming their children Kurdish names. Even if they cannot name their children Kurdish names in the state records, they can at least use the Kurdish names among themselves. For example, you could name your child Welat.

Rudaw: Regarding the constitution, there are several red and perhaps vague lines. For example, the Kurds have demanded education in their mother tongue, but the Turkish ruling party refuses to accept this request. If a new constitution is to be drafted, how will these problems be addressed?

Ismail Beşikçi: As long as this government is in office, there will be no new constitution. The constitution that the current government is thinking about is still based on Turkish nationalism and Ataturk’s ideas.

In that new constitution, the word Kurdish will not be tolerated. This is still the policy and mindset of the government. When you have a parliament where most of the members have this mindset, I do not think you can set up a new constitution.

The government thinks establishing TRT 6 [a government-sponsored Kurdish language TV channel] and having optional Kurdish classes in schools is enough to solve the Kurdish problem. For the governors of Kurdish provinces, for security officials and directors of real estate offices and other Turkish officials, optional Kurdish classes could be a choice, because when they are in Kurdistan they must speak Kurdish. But for the Kurds, who number 20 million, Kurdish classes must be compulsory.

The Kurdish language must be the language of education from the day care centers all the way to the higher education institutes. This is happening now in Southern [Iraqi] Kurdistan. If it is happening in Southern Kurdistan, why should it not happen here? The Peace and Democracy Party (BDP) [pro-Kurdish party in Turkey] criticizes this double standard of the Turkish state.

Rudaw: As a Turkish academic you always talk about the unity of the Kurds….

[Beşikçi did not wait for the rest of the question]

Ismail Beşikçi: We have to understand the situation of Kurdistan in the Middle East. Kurdistan has been partitioned and divided since the 1920s. In a time when the issue of the right of self-determination was more discussed than any other, the Kurds faced a catastrophe. They were divided instead of allowed self-determination. Partitioning Kurdistan was a terrible devastation for the Kurds. Kurdistan was partitioned and on the borders mines, barbed wire and espionage drones were placed.

The Kurds have to understand that today there are 208 states in the world. Of that number, 40 states have a population of less than 1 million. In the European Union, which is composed of 24 states, Luxemburg, Malta and Cyprus have a population of less than half a million. But the Kurds are 40 million.

The Kurds have to ask questions on an international level. They have to ask why, if other nations with a population of less than a million have a state, they should not have their own legal status.

In the European Commission, 47 members exist; countries like Monaco, San Moreno and Andorra are members. The population of these countries is between 30,000 and 35,000. When the Kurds have such a big population, and such a large geography, why should they not have their country?

The Kurds have to always ask why they were subjected to this catastrophe. They have to criticize Europe as well. Europe calls those countries with very little population states, but they call a country with 40 million people “terrorist.” How did this anti-Kurdish system come about? We have to ask this question and provide a reasonable answer.

Rudaw: The 21st century is the century that the Kurds will gain independence. Is this century the century of the Kurds?

Ismail Beşikçi: Yes, I see it as the Kurdish century. In the Kurdish problem, external factors play an important role. Imagine 1995 and 1996. During those years, if I was to write a scenario for the future of the Kurdish problem, I would never have thought that Jalal Talabani, secretary general of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK), would become president of Iraq. I do not know if anyone could have that thought back then! If it was not for the U.S. intervention, the Kurds – even if they were tigers -- would not have been able to topple Saddam’s regime.

In Syria, a similar situation has come about. It has been 11 months that the Syrian National Council (SNC) has been fighting the Assad regime. We saw Assad and his army withdraw from the Kurdish cities, and Kurds announced self-rule system in those cities. Therefore, if the SNC takes over, or Assad remains in power, the Kurdish gains will not be lost. That is because these gains are linked to external factors.

Rudaw: Why can the Kurds not form a unified discourse? What is causing this disunity in Kurdish demands?

Ismail Beşikçi: In the 1920s, forming a Kurdish state was very easy. But today, it is very difficult. A hundred years have passed since the partition. There are too many people sticking their hands in the Kurdish issue and their number is on rise. However, the stronger the Kurdish sense of patriotism, the shorter their hands will be. This is to say, if there is a better understanding of the Kurdistan partitioning, then the Kurds from different parts of Kurdistan will get closer to each other more easily.

For the Kurds, division has been a very effective means to use against them. In 1915, the Armenians faced a similar situation. The Lausanne Treaty is the calamity of the Kurds. Since1922, with the Lausanne Treaty, the Turkish Republic secured an international guarantee to deny the existence of Kurds and to work on assimilating them into Turks.

Rudaw: What do you think of “democratic autonomy”?

Ismail Beşikçi: The term federalism is clearer. However, the important thing is that Kurds run their own affairs by themselves. For this to take place, a border has to be drawn. Democratic autonomy is not a clear term; federalism is. That is because when you talk about federalism, you are talking about a border being drawn, just as it is in Southern Kurdistan and in Palestine.

 

[High_Gravity]

All my posts in this thread support Türkiye's sovereign border as it is today.

All of my posts support the Kurds having their own country, but not carved out of Türkiye.

but half at least of the kurds live in south eastern turkey, so what you say is not going to be a proper state of the kurds is it?

I think mr kurdi's map is too big; there aren't a majority of kurds anywhere close to the med sea...they are arabs there when i visited but not kurds

Arabs only form majority in Hatay province (As for as i know) And you also have to keep in mind that many kurds moved from there to west Turkey. In Istanbul alone there's 4 million kurds. And that's just one city! So if all the kurds moved back to their ancestral lands, don't you think they would fill up the majority again?

Please don't use the word ''kurdi'' It's an arabic insult against us.

Kurd means nomad in Persian. In other words the same a Gypsy (roma). The scum of the middle east.

Scum of the middle east? the Kurds are the only people in that region with any kind of sense.

 

[Kurdistani4ever]

Arabs only form majority in Hatay province (As for as i know) And you also have to keep in mind that many kurds moved from there to west Turkey. In Istanbul alone there's 4 million kurds. And that's just one city! So if all the kurds moved back to their ancestral lands, don't you think they would fill up the majority again?

Please don't use the word ''kurdi'' It's an arabic insult against us.

Kurd means nomad in Persian. In other words the same a Gypsy (roma). The scum of the middle east.

Scum of the middle east? the Kurds are the only people in that region with any kind of sense.

He's just jealous, knowing that all the lands he claims for ''Greater Armenia'' Belongs to us.