Surprise! Leftist minimum wage policy backfires in Seattle suburb

[Iceweasel]

The minimum wage in this country should be an hourly rate for a 30 hour work week at the federal poverty level and it goes up or down depending on the cost of living.

A 30 hr work week leaves you plenty of quality time for your bong. The rest of us work harder and make something of ourselves and don't stay at starter wages for long. Employers need those people and are willing to pay for them. So your argument about government needing to set payscales is bullshit.

 

[Mac1958]

Way to start a balanced political point, I can tell right away you're a level headed political thinking and not a hot headed asshole from that.

The asshole is the guy that knows more about business because he sat on his ass in classrooms.

You're spouting proven wrong tired rhectoric for beginners, business owners look after their own interests and you know that; that is what being a business is. You make money and fuck ethics, staff can always be replaced and customers do not need looking after, they need keeping happy so that they return. That is all.

Yep. Saw it coming a mile off. Capitalism is evil.

Business is the actual act of trying to get one over on everybody else and it is the government's to stop you from damaging society as you do it. It is really that simple, business by it's very nature is amoral and anyone who claims different is either a liar or has such a detatched from reality, 1950's mom and pop middle america white picket fence and apple pie view of Al's Dinner type businesses that they have no relavence in the modern world.

LOL.

Today's American Left.

And then they'll claim they're "pro business".



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[Manchester]

The asshole is the guy that knows more about business because he sat on his ass in classrooms.
Yep. Saw it coming a mile off. Capitalism is evil.
LOL.

Yes you did. "Business is the actual act of trying to get one over on everybody else and it is the government's to stop you from damaging society". The government doesn't need me to stop damaging society or getting over on people. You socialist professor was a propagandizer.

Capitalism is far from evil, it's a flawed system but the least flawed one that works and so the best we have. It does require the political will of the people to be enacted to stop abuses though, something that some people fail to get their heads round.

I do find it funny how the stupid always denegrate academia because they were never clever enough to be anything but humiliated when they tried it.

LOL again asshole. I graduated college and have been in business for 27.5 years so far. I denigrate (learn to spell if you are going to lecture us on academia) those that are experts on a field based on classroom time.

Brilliant, you are so convinced that I hate capitalism that you simply refuse to address what I write just what you wanted me to write. There is no debate with someone who doesn't listen.

 

[Iceweasel]

Yes you did. "Business is the actual act of trying to get one over on everybody else and it is the government's to stop you from damaging society". The government doesn't need me to stop damaging society or getting over on people. You socialist professor was a propagandizer.
LOL again asshole. I graduated college and have been in business for 27.5 years so far. I denigrate (learn to spell if you are going to lecture us on academia) those that are experts on a field based on classroom time.

Brilliant, you are so convinced that I hate capitalism that you simply refuse to address what I write just what you wanted me to write. There is no debate with someone who doesn't listen.

I did respond to what you said and I've learned plenty over the years. I won't learn anything from a guy that tells me we need government to keep me from ripping people off or that I and my business is amoral.

Again....you said "You're spouting proven wrong tired rhectoric for beginners, business owners look after their own interests and you know that; that is what being a business is. You make money and fuck ethics, staff can always be replaced and customers do not need looking after, they need keeping happy so that they return. That is all."

You're spouting rhetoric (again, learn to spell before lecturing) and telling me I have failed rhetoric for beginners while you have classroom experience. You apparently can't see how ill informed and insulting that is, how condescending, broad brushed or biased.

You should get your money back, you're brainwashed and were ripped off. Don't blame capitalism for it, competition was not the driving force behind your school.

 

[SAYIT]

The net gain or loss will be obvious in a year or so...

Not in Seattle.
The first $1 increase doesn't even take effect until next year and a court challenge is in the works. Washington State's zero corp income tax may even mitigate the damage to biz for a while.
Besides ... their min wage doesn't reach $15/hr until 2020 giving all plenty of time to adjust prices or move out of the city. Watch for Seattle's cost of living to rise with any significant wage increases.

 

[Manchester]

The net gain or loss will be obvious in a year or so...

Not in Seattle.
The first $1 increase doesn't even take effect until next year and a court challenge is in the works. Washington State's zero corp income tax may even mitigate the damage to biz for a while.
Besides ... their min wage doesn't reach $15/hr until 2020 giving all plenty of time to adjust prices or move out of the city. Watch for Seattle's cost of living to rise with any significant wage increases.

So tould make all of the claims in the OP's quoted news story a huge pack of lies wouldn't it?

 

[SAYIT]

If I was an older worker making say round $20-$25 dollars an hour I would be pissed, and I would be demanding a raise.

as you should as the unions would do as well
that is one of the reasons unions support
minimum wage hikes
cause they can go into negoations and say well
this is what the minimum wage is we NEED A RAISE
--LOL
no matter what number the minimum wage is
it will always be the lowest wage paid
everything else adjusts accordingly

Including prices.

 

[SAYIT]

IMO, the worst thing about imposing a minimum wage is the not the withdraw of benefits and perks, or the lessening of tips, for existing workers but the increasing number of people that prevented from working at all. Imposing a minimum wage is most harmful to the most vulnerable citizens in our society:

• Young people with no experience
• Unintelligent people whose skills and abilities do not warrant the minimum wage but are perfectly capable of holding a job
• Uneducated individuals that are not considered for minimum wage employment when competing against those with a high school diploma
• Individuals with substance abuse or mental issues that are prevented from legally engaging in cash-for-labor odd jobs or simple tasks for which a business owner may be willing to pay, but is prevented from doing so by minimum wage laws
• The elderly who may be living off a pension but are simply hoping to engage in a workplace

These kind of people, the individuals that are our MOST VULNERABLE citizens, are prevented from working AT ALL by minimum wage laws. That, IMO, is a mind-numbingly cruel thing to do.

Anyone that supports minimum wage laws has the lost lives of these poor souls on the them. Shame!

If businesses weren't required to pay a certain wage, they wouldn't pay one. Sorry but hoping businesses do the right thing has never worked. You have to have some protections and rights for the worker.

True, but market realities must be a consideration and Seattle's market for goods, services and labor will all adjust to accommodate any gov't meddling.
Our national min wage should be based on the lowest geographical cost of living in the country and then adjusted upward by individual states and municipalities.

 

[rdean]

Republicans always defending the right of the poor to remain poor.

 

[Stephanie]

If I was an older worker making say round $20-$25 dollars an hour I would be pissed, and I would be demanding a raise.

Yes, and that is the the aspect that morons do not understand. The more the morons the left argue for these types of things, is the more we can all assume that they really do not work for their money.

They certainly do not pay their own bills, and they obviously have no clue how it is to make payroll.

The liberal hypocrisy summed up here.

How many of those scumbags who own a product produced by evil corporations through evil capitalist practices actually worked for the money to buy those things?

1%?

good one
people fall for these jokers bs

 

[SAYIT]

Liberals are too stupid to realize the economic consequences of jacking up the minimum wage.

And conservatives are too stupid to understand the consequences of no minimum wage. See I can do it too. Its not very nice. Moving on...

Typically lame Straw Man argument.
Min wage in this country is a reality and this thread is about the impact of doubling it, not eliminating it.

 

[SAYIT]

The net gain or loss will be obvious in a year or so...

Not in Seattle.
The first $1 increase doesn't even take effect until next year and a court challenge is in the works. Washington State's zero corp income tax may even mitigate the damage to biz for a while.
Besides ... their min wage doesn't reach $15/hr until 2020 giving all plenty of time to adjust prices or move out of the city. Watch for Seattle's cost of living to rise with any significant wage increases.

So tould make all of the claims in the OP's quoted news story a huge pack of lies wouldn't it?

Anecdotal at best but one doesn't need a crystal ball to see what impact increasing wages 55% over the next 6 yrs will have.

 

[SAYIT]

Republicans always defending the right of the poor to remain poor.

Seems to me the rational posters are trying to save the entry level and supplementary jobs you Dems are hell bent on eliminating.

 

[Theowl32]

Republicans always defending the right of the poor to remain poor.

Seems to me the rational posters are trying to save the entry level and supplementary jobs you Dems are hell bent on eliminating.

The irony in the morons statement is so thick. You have to wonder what those left wing news sources are reporting.

He has no clue that the democrats NEED the poor to remain poor. What they need is more poor people.

He has no idea that the poor class has greatly expanded (deliberately) under Obama.

The gap in employment rates between America's highest- and lowest-income families has stretched to its widest levels since officials began tracking the data a decade ago, according to an analysis of government data conducted for The Associated Press.

Rates of unemployment for the lowest-income families — those earning less than $20,000 — have topped 21 percent, nearly matching the rate for all workers during the 1930s Great Depression.

U.S. households with income of more than $150,000 a year have an unemployment rate of 3.2 percent, a level traditionally defined as full employment. At the same time, middle-income workers are increasingly pushed into lower-wage jobs. Many of them in turn are displacing lower-skilled, low-income workers, who become unemployed or are forced to work fewer hours, the analysis shows.

"This was no 'equal opportunity' recession or an 'equal opportunity' recovery," said Andrew Sum, director of the Center for Labor Market Studies at Northeastern University. "One part of America is in depression, while another part is in full employment."

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Here's a micro example of the big picture when it comes to the rich and redistribution of wealth. Taxachusetts (Massachusetts) is one of the most highly taxed states in the nation, if not thee most highly taxed. But, as with most liberally run states, they needed more revenue. So what did their liberal government do? It imposed a tax on yachts to try and get some more money from "the rich". Now, you'd think that "rich" liberals would have been happy to help out and pay the tax. But John Kerry, who served in Vietnam and is EXTREMELY rich, took his yacht and docked it in neighboring Rhode Island to avoid the tax from Massachusetts. So he suffered not one little bit, nor did he help contribute to the revenue for his home state of Massachusetts. That's how it goes folks. I'm sure there were people who didn't have the opportunity to move their yachts to neighboring states who had to pay the taxes. The point is, many of the rich have the ways and means to avoid taxes which are targeted at them.

Not to mention at least a 70% rise in food stamp recipients. Those of us who understand (conservatives) we know that is about making sure they solidify their voting base, which is the poor class. Make more and more of them totally dependent on government, the more automatic votes they get.

Liberals are a fucking joke. This administration is deliberately tearing the country down, as it has been this contrived president's goal.

 

[RoadVirus]

Republicans always defending the right of the poor to remain poor.

Bullshit.

A job that involves saying "Do you want fries with that?" isn't worth $15 an hour. McJobs aren't suppose to be career jobs. They are the bottom rungs of a taller ladder. Something to have while working your way upwards.