Take The No (GW) Bush Challenge

[g5000]

See, when you set a standard, it is going to be applied to your partisan behavior BEFORE and AFTER you set that standard. You don't get to use it one time against just one person you don't like. Fuck no. Your standard will be used against you time and time and time again to demonstrate what a hypocritical piece of shit you are.

Tough shit if you hypocrites don't like it.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Debt from what? Fixing GOP fuck-ups? To some, Obama fixing that mess, is a GOOD thing. To the "let him die" crowd, not so much.

I knew you would blame Booooosssshhhh. How quaint. Perhaps someday you may have an original thought of your own.

Do you blame Bush at all?

He never existed

 

[Faun]

Why not mention Bush?
Sorry, but the Boosh War Monkey will always be relevant and we'll bring him and his disastrous record up as we please.

Are conservatives still trying to pretend he was never President?

This is a political message board, not a GOP National Convention.

President Bush sent a message to radical terrorists who murder other people, and there were no further mass terrorist killings in America when he put the fireworks on their property after they put theirs to killing civilians in skyscrapers. I'm certain they were disappointed they killed less than 3,000 people at the WTC. The general daily working population of either building was about 50,000 apiece, and often 90,000. They didn't count on the absolutely fantastic New York Fire Department and NYPD getting people out before the buildings disintegrated into rubble. Hundreds of heroes died that day getting civilians cleared out of those tipping time bombs the terrorists converted them into with their homicidal mania. And the #1 badass terrorist in the world was sentenced to death when American troops caught the coward hiding out in a spider hole in someone's villa grounds.

What acts of terrorism did Saddam Hussein commit against the U.S.??

 

[Faun]

We'll stop talking about Bush and his cabinet when they die broke in prison for crimes against humanity.

And when we finally pay off the debt the anti-American bastards left us with.

There's no way we can ever pay off the debt of dead and maimed Americans they caused. No way the countries they trashed can ever come back from their "wars".

So you would have preferred the 28 million Iraqis continued to live like this?:

Ahmad was Uday's chief executioner. Last week, as Iraqis celebrated the death of his former boss and his equally savage younger brother Qusay, he nervously revealed a hideous story. His instructions that day in 1999 were to arrest the two 19-year-olds on the campus of Baghdad's Academy of Fine Arts and deliver them at Radwaniyah. On arrival at the sprawling compound, he was directed to a farm where he found a large cage. Inside, two lions waited. They belonged to Uday. Guards took the two young men from the car and opened the cage door. One of the victims collapsed in terror as they were dragged, screaming and shouting, to meet their fate. Ahmad watched as the students frantically looked for a way of escape. There was none. The lions pounced. 'I saw the head of the first student literally come off his body with the first bite and then had to stand and watch the animals devour the two young men. By the time they were finished there was little left but for the bones and bits and pieces of unwanted flesh,' he recalled last week."
-- Sunday Times, London, July 27, 2003

"Ali would then draw out a pair of pliers and a sharp knife. Gripping the tongue with pliers, he would slice it up with the knife, tossing severed pieces into the street. "'Those punished were too terrified to move, even though they knew I was about to chop off their tongue,' said Ali in his matter-of-fact voice. 'They would just stand there, often praying and calling out for Saddam and Allah to spare them. By then it was too late.

"'I would read them out the verdict and cut off their tongue without any form of anaesthetic. There was always a lot of blood. Some offenders passed out. Others screamed in pain. They would then be given basic medical assistance in an ambulance which would always come with us on such punishment runs. Then they would be thrown in jail.'"

-- Fedayeen Saddam member interviewed in The Sunday Times (London), April 20, 2003
Saddam has reduced his people to abject poverty.
He wiped out families, villages, cities and cultures, and drove four million people into exile.
He killed between 100,000 and 200,000 Kurds. He killed as many as 300,000 Shiites in the uprising after the Persian Gulf war.
He killed or displaced 200,000 of the 250,000 marsh Arabs who had created a unique, centuries-old culture in the south. He drained the marshes, an environmental treasure, and turned them into a desert.

In a recent Frontline documentary, a woman who fled Iraq recounted how she and others had been forced
to witness the public beheadings of 15 women who had been rounded up for prostitution and other crimes against the state. One of the women was a doctor who had been misreported as speaking against the regime.
"They put her head in a trash can," she said.

It was a blunder to keep 2,649,000 children from starvation??
In five years 576,000 children starved BECAUSE SADDAM refused to certify WMD destruction!
Iraq Sanctions Kill Children, U.N. Reports - NYTimes.com
Using 115,000 children starved a year because Saddam refused to certify WMD destruction -- From 1995 to 2013 is 18 years!
If Saddam was still in power i.e. Bush's Liberation of Iraq NEVER OCCURRED,
from 1990 to 2013 OVER 2,649,000 children would have STARVED because of Saddam!

3) "So the Iraq war was, despite all that went wrong, a good thing; the "overwhelming majority" of Iraqis are (and presumably feel) better off because of it"
The Atlantic's Jeffrey Goldberg put the question to Barham Salih, the former prime minister of Iraqi Kurdistan's regional government and a former deputy prime minister of Iraq's federal government.
"But," he added, "it's important to understand where we started from. ... Literally hundreds of thousands of Iraqis were sent to mass graves. Ten years on from the demise of Saddam Hussein, we're still discovering mass graves across Iraq. And Iraqis are better off without Saddam Hussein -- the overwhelming majority of Iraqis are better off without Saddam Hussein."
So the Iraq war was, despite all that went wrong, a good thing; the "overwhelming majority" of Iraqis are (and presumably feel) better off because of it; and the fault for all that has gone wrong is ultimately with Iraqis themselves: It's a remarkable point of view to encounter in June 2013.
10 Years After the Fall of Saddam, How Do Iraqis Look Back on the War? - J.J. Gould - The Atlantic


So you would like to see all the above today???

There is not even one single poll taken in the last decade in which a majority, or even a plurality, of those polled thought the Iraq war was either "worth it" or not a "mistake."

not one...

Iraq

 

[Kosh]

Why not mention Bush?
Sorry, but the Boosh War Monkey will always be relevant and we'll bring him and his disastrous record up as we please.

Are conservatives still trying to pretend he was never President?

This is a political message board, not a GOP National Convention.

President Bush sent a message to radical terrorists who murder other people, and there were no further mass terrorist killings in America when he put the fireworks on their property after they put theirs to killing civilians in skyscrapers. I'm certain they were disappointed they killed less than 3,000 people at the WTC. The general daily working population of either building was about 50,000 apiece, and often 90,000. They didn't count on the absolutely fantastic New York Fire Department and NYPD getting people out before the buildings disintegrated into rubble. Hundreds of heroes died that day getting civilians cleared out of those tipping time bombs the terrorists converted them into with their homicidal mania. And the #1 badass terrorist in the world was sentenced to death when American troops caught the coward hiding out in a spider hole in someone's villa grounds.

What acts of terrorism did Saddam Hussein commit against the U.S.??

Ah yes the history of Iraq started in 2003 according to far left historians.

 

[healthmyths]

And when we finally pay off the debt the anti-American bastards left us with.

There's no way we can ever pay off the debt of dead and maimed Americans they caused. No way the countries they trashed can ever come back from their "wars".

So you would have preferred the 28 million Iraqis continued to live like this?:

Ahmad was Uday's chief executioner. Last week, as Iraqis celebrated the death of his former boss and his equally savage younger brother Qusay, he nervously revealed a hideous story. His instructions that day in 1999 were to arrest the two 19-year-olds on the campus of Baghdad's Academy of Fine Arts and deliver them at Radwaniyah. On arrival at the sprawling compound, he was directed to a farm where he found a large cage. Inside, two lions waited. They belonged to Uday. Guards took the two young men from the car and opened the cage door. One of the victims collapsed in terror as they were dragged, screaming and shouting, to meet their fate. Ahmad watched as the students frantically looked for a way of escape. There was none. The lions pounced. 'I saw the head of the first student literally come off his body with the first bite and then had to stand and watch the animals devour the two young men. By the time they were finished there was little left but for the bones and bits and pieces of unwanted flesh,' he recalled last week."
-- Sunday Times, London, July 27, 2003

"Ali would then draw out a pair of pliers and a sharp knife. Gripping the tongue with pliers, he would slice it up with the knife, tossing severed pieces into the street. "'Those punished were too terrified to move, even though they knew I was about to chop off their tongue,' said Ali in his matter-of-fact voice. 'They would just stand there, often praying and calling out for Saddam and Allah to spare them. By then it was too late.

"'I would read them out the verdict and cut off their tongue without any form of anaesthetic. There was always a lot of blood. Some offenders passed out. Others screamed in pain. They would then be given basic medical assistance in an ambulance which would always come with us on such punishment runs. Then they would be thrown in jail.'"

-- Fedayeen Saddam member interviewed in The Sunday Times (London), April 20, 2003
Saddam has reduced his people to abject poverty.
He wiped out families, villages, cities and cultures, and drove four million people into exile.
He killed between 100,000 and 200,000 Kurds. He killed as many as 300,000 Shiites in the uprising after the Persian Gulf war.
He killed or displaced 200,000 of the 250,000 marsh Arabs who had created a unique, centuries-old culture in the south. He drained the marshes, an environmental treasure, and turned them into a desert.

In a recent Frontline documentary, a woman who fled Iraq recounted how she and others had been forced
to witness the public beheadings of 15 women who had been rounded up for prostitution and other crimes against the state. One of the women was a doctor who had been misreported as speaking against the regime.
"They put her head in a trash can," she said.

It was a blunder to keep 2,649,000 children from starvation??
In five years 576,000 children starved BECAUSE SADDAM refused to certify WMD destruction!
Iraq Sanctions Kill Children, U.N. Reports - NYTimes.com
Using 115,000 children starved a year because Saddam refused to certify WMD destruction -- From 1995 to 2013 is 18 years!
If Saddam was still in power i.e. Bush's Liberation of Iraq NEVER OCCURRED,
from 1990 to 2013 OVER 2,649,000 children would have STARVED because of Saddam!

3) "So the Iraq war was, despite all that went wrong, a good thing; the "overwhelming majority" of Iraqis are (and presumably feel) better off because of it"
The Atlantic's Jeffrey Goldberg put the question to Barham Salih, the former prime minister of Iraqi Kurdistan's regional government and a former deputy prime minister of Iraq's federal government.
"But," he added, "it's important to understand where we started from. ... Literally hundreds of thousands of Iraqis were sent to mass graves. Ten years on from the demise of Saddam Hussein, we're still discovering mass graves across Iraq. And Iraqis are better off without Saddam Hussein -- the overwhelming majority of Iraqis are better off without Saddam Hussein."
So the Iraq war was, despite all that went wrong, a good thing; the "overwhelming majority" of Iraqis are (and presumably feel) better off because of it; and the fault for all that has gone wrong is ultimately with Iraqis themselves: It's a remarkable point of view to encounter in June 2013.
10 Years After the Fall of Saddam, How Do Iraqis Look Back on the War? - J.J. Gould - The Atlantic


So you would like to see all the above today???

There is not even one single poll taken in the last decade in which a majority, or even a plurality, of those polled thought the Iraq war was either "worth it" or not a "mistake."

not one...

Iraq

Of COURSE NOT ONE! Most of the polls have MORE DEMOCRATS then GOP so naturally their bias is reported!
OF COURSE NOT ONE! When 1,160 (85%) Senior executives, on-air personalities, producers, reporters, editors, writers and other self-identifying employees of ABC, CBS and NBC contributed more than $1 million to GOP candidates and campaign committees in 2008, according to an analysis by The Examiner of data compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics. An average contribution of $880.
DO you think those execs,etc. are as dumb as you by A) Giving money and then putting out POLLS positive to Bush? Are you that totally NAIVE???
OF COURSE NOT ONE! Are you that dumb to think that the SAME MSM that said:

B]"MSM job is to Bash the President"...[/B]
Evan Thomas Editor of NewsWeek's quotes Well, our job is to bash the president, that's what we do." --
Evan Thomas responding to a question on whether the media's unfair to Bush on the TV talk show Inside Washington,
February 2, 2007.Newsweek's Evan Thomas: 'Our Job Is To Bash the President' | NewsBusters

MSM Job to Bash the President..."

But what about Obama ... any bashing here???

COLOR="Blue"]I mean in a way Obama’s standing above the country, above – above the world, he’s sort of God." [/COLOR]
Evan Thomas on Hardball, Newsweek?s Evan Thomas: Obama Is ?Sort of God? | NewsBusters

I mean are YOU THAT truly NAIVE to think that people being polled aren't influenced by what they read of the biased MSM that totally IGNORED the facts
that 28 million people are now living free... 2.9 million kids are starving.. even though this same MSM would BLAME the world rather then Saddam ! YOU and these
idiots complained it was the sanctions...DUH!!! Saddam didn't have to build 91 palaces with the stolen money that was for the starving children!

SO again I agree 100% with you because NOT ONE MSM will admit that they have BIASED the news, then BIASE the polls!

The Center for Media and Public Affairs (CMPA) analyzed 979 separate news stories shown between Aug. 23 and Oct. 24,
ABC recorded 57 percent favorable comments toward the Democrats, and 42 percent positive for GOP
NBC had 56 percent positive for the Democrats, 16 percent for the Republicans.
CBS had 73 percent positive (Obama), versus 31 percent (McCain).
http://www.cmpa.com/studies_election_08.htm

former president CBS news![/]
“Personally, I have a great affection for CBS News....But I stopped watching it some time ago.
The unremitting liberal orientation finally became too much for me. I still check in, but less and less frequently. I increasingly drift to NBC News and Fox and MSNBC.”
— Former CBS News President Van Gordon Sauter in an op-ed published January 13, 2005 in the Los Angeles Times.

So you naive dumb f...k! If the former President of CBS NEWS says the news is BIASED!!!!

 

[Faun]

President Bush sent a message to radical terrorists who murder other people, and there were no further mass terrorist killings in America when he put the fireworks on their property after they put theirs to killing civilians in skyscrapers. I'm certain they were disappointed they killed less than 3,000 people at the WTC. The general daily working population of either building was about 50,000 apiece, and often 90,000. They didn't count on the absolutely fantastic New York Fire Department and NYPD getting people out before the buildings disintegrated into rubble. Hundreds of heroes died that day getting civilians cleared out of those tipping time bombs the terrorists converted them into with their homicidal mania. And the #1 badass terrorist in the world was sentenced to death when American troops caught the coward hiding out in a spider hole in someone's villa grounds.

What acts of terrorism did Saddam Hussein commit against the U.S.??

Ah yes the history of Iraq started in 2003 according to far left historians.

Translation: "None."

Thanks for confirming what I already knew.

 

[ron4342]

healthmyths posted:
from 1990 to 2013 OVER 2,649,000 children would have STARVED because of Saddam!
Ron posted:
I'm impressed that you feel such concern for the children in Iraq. So, how do you feel about the gop wanting to cut SNAP benefits here in the US? You are aware that such a cut will take food out of the mouths of children in the US. You are aware that there are children and adults who go to bed hungry each night? You are aware of this and support helping these people, right?
This is why I find you people dispicable. You will wail and cry about the poor children in Iraq to try to defend an American president who started a war based on lies that caused the deaths of thousands (children included) while totally ignoring the children of this country.

 

[The Rabbi]

I see the liberals posting here failed in the challenge. No surprise.

 

[healthmyths]

Another massive "DUH"!!!!
An average of 47% of Americans identified as Democrats or said they were independents who leaned Democratic in 2012, compared with 42% who identified as or leaned Republican.
In U.S., Democrats Re-Establish Lead in Party Affiliation
More Americans continue to identify as Democrats than as Republicans, 31% to 27%.
40 Percent of Americans Identify as Independents; 10 Percent Actually Independents

GEEZ... so if there are MORE people identified as Democrat geez... wouldn't the POLLS Continually have a Democrat BIAS??

 

[bripat9643]

Debt from what? Fixing GOP fuck-ups? To some, Obama fixing that mess, is a GOOD thing. To the "let him die" crowd, not so much.

I knew you would blame Booooosssshhhh. How quaint. Perhaps someday you may have an original thought of your own.

Do you blame Bush at all?

For Obama's $7 trillion in added national debt?

Nope.

 

[ron4342]

faun posted:
3) "So the Iraq war was, despite all that went wrong, a good thing; the "overwhelming majority" of Iraqis are (and presumably feel) better off because of it"

Ron posted:
I am absolutely sure the people of Iraq are estatic at the fact that between 20 and 30 Iraqis are killed in bombings each day in their country. It must be a great comfort to them to know that they or a loved one could be killed any second. Yes, I am sure the Iraqis have lots of fond memories of how many of their people died at the hands of American troops.
"Bloody October: 30 Iraqi civilians killed every day in deadliest month since 2008
By Alexander Smith, NBC News contributor
October was the deadliest month in Iraq in more than five years, with almost 1,000 people killed and hundreds more wounded, the United Nations said Friday.

The majority of the 979 deaths were civilians, rather than policemen or soldiers, meaning on average more than 30 non-enforcement personnel died in violent circumstances every day.

The figures, released by the UN Mission to help Iraq (UNAMI), said that 158 civilian police and 127 members of the security force were killed -- making October the bloodiest month since April 2008.

In addition, 1,793 people were wounded, including 218 civilian police and 109 security force members.'
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/11/01/21276375-bloody-october-30-iraqi-civilians-killed-every-day-in-deadliest-month-since-2008?lite

 

[Faun]

So you would have preferred the 28 million Iraqis continued to live like this?:

Ahmad was Uday's chief executioner. Last week, as Iraqis celebrated the death of his former boss and his equally savage younger brother Qusay, he nervously revealed a hideous story. His instructions that day in 1999 were to arrest the two 19-year-olds on the campus of Baghdad's Academy of Fine Arts and deliver them at Radwaniyah. On arrival at the sprawling compound, he was directed to a farm where he found a large cage. Inside, two lions waited. They belonged to Uday. Guards took the two young men from the car and opened the cage door. One of the victims collapsed in terror as they were dragged, screaming and shouting, to meet their fate. Ahmad watched as the students frantically looked for a way of escape. There was none. The lions pounced. 'I saw the head of the first student literally come off his body with the first bite and then had to stand and watch the animals devour the two young men. By the time they were finished there was little left but for the bones and bits and pieces of unwanted flesh,' he recalled last week."
-- Sunday Times, London, July 27, 2003

"Ali would then draw out a pair of pliers and a sharp knife. Gripping the tongue with pliers, he would slice it up with the knife, tossing severed pieces into the street. "'Those punished were too terrified to move, even though they knew I was about to chop off their tongue,' said Ali in his matter-of-fact voice. 'They would just stand there, often praying and calling out for Saddam and Allah to spare them. By then it was too late.

"'I would read them out the verdict and cut off their tongue without any form of anaesthetic. There was always a lot of blood. Some offenders passed out. Others screamed in pain. They would then be given basic medical assistance in an ambulance which would always come with us on such punishment runs. Then they would be thrown in jail.'"

-- Fedayeen Saddam member interviewed in The Sunday Times (London), April 20, 2003
Saddam has reduced his people to abject poverty.
He wiped out families, villages, cities and cultures, and drove four million people into exile.
He killed between 100,000 and 200,000 Kurds. He killed as many as 300,000 Shiites in the uprising after the Persian Gulf war.
He killed or displaced 200,000 of the 250,000 marsh Arabs who had created a unique, centuries-old culture in the south. He drained the marshes, an environmental treasure, and turned them into a desert.

In a recent Frontline documentary, a woman who fled Iraq recounted how she and others had been forced
to witness the public beheadings of 15 women who had been rounded up for prostitution and other crimes against the state. One of the women was a doctor who had been misreported as speaking against the regime.
"They put her head in a trash can," she said.

It was a blunder to keep 2,649,000 children from starvation??
In five years 576,000 children starved BECAUSE SADDAM refused to certify WMD destruction!
Iraq Sanctions Kill Children, U.N. Reports - NYTimes.com
Using 115,000 children starved a year because Saddam refused to certify WMD destruction -- From 1995 to 2013 is 18 years!
If Saddam was still in power i.e. Bush's Liberation of Iraq NEVER OCCURRED,
from 1990 to 2013 OVER 2,649,000 children would have STARVED because of Saddam!

3) "So the Iraq war was, despite all that went wrong, a good thing; the "overwhelming majority" of Iraqis are (and presumably feel) better off because of it"
The Atlantic's Jeffrey Goldberg put the question to Barham Salih, the former prime minister of Iraqi Kurdistan's regional government and a former deputy prime minister of Iraq's federal government.
"But," he added, "it's important to understand where we started from. ... Literally hundreds of thousands of Iraqis were sent to mass graves. Ten years on from the demise of Saddam Hussein, we're still discovering mass graves across Iraq. And Iraqis are better off without Saddam Hussein -- the overwhelming majority of Iraqis are better off without Saddam Hussein."
So the Iraq war was, despite all that went wrong, a good thing; the "overwhelming majority" of Iraqis are (and presumably feel) better off because of it; and the fault for all that has gone wrong is ultimately with Iraqis themselves: It's a remarkable point of view to encounter in June 2013.
10 Years After the Fall of Saddam, How Do Iraqis Look Back on the War? - J.J. Gould - The Atlantic


So you would like to see all the above today???

There is not even one single poll taken in the last decade in which a majority, or even a plurality, of those polled thought the Iraq war was either "worth it" or not a "mistake."

not one...

Iraq

Of COURSE NOT ONE! Most of the polls have MORE DEMOCRATS then GOP so naturally their bias is reported!
OF COURSE NOT ONE! When 1,160 (85%) Senior executives, on-air personalities, producers, reporters, editors, writers and other self-identifying employees of ABC, CBS and NBC contributed more than $1 million to GOP candidates and campaign committees in 2008, according to an analysis by The Examiner of data compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics. An average contribution of $880.
DO you think those execs,etc. are as dumb as you by A) Giving money and then putting out POLLS positive to Bush? Are you that totally NAIVE???
OF COURSE NOT ONE! Are you that dumb to think that the SAME MSM that said:

B]"MSM job is to Bash the President"...[/B]
Evan Thomas Editor of NewsWeek's quotes Well, our job is to bash the president, that's what we do." --
Evan Thomas responding to a question on whether the media's unfair to Bush on the TV talk show Inside Washington,
February 2, 2007.Newsweek's Evan Thomas: 'Our Job Is To Bash the President' | NewsBusters

MSM Job to Bash the President..."

But what about Obama ... any bashing here???

COLOR="Blue"]I mean in a way Obama’s standing above the country, above – above the world, he’s sort of God." [/COLOR]
Evan Thomas on Hardball, Newsweek?s Evan Thomas: Obama Is ?Sort of God? | NewsBusters

I mean are YOU THAT truly NAIVE to think that people being polled aren't influenced by what they read of the biased MSM that totally IGNORED the facts
that 28 million people are now living free... 2.9 million kids are starving.. even though this same MSM would BLAME the world rather then Saddam ! YOU and these
idiots complained it was the sanctions...DUH!!! Saddam didn't have to build 91 palaces with the stolen money that was for the starving children!

SO again I agree 100% with you because NOT ONE MSM will admit that they have BIASED the news, then BIASE the polls!

The Center for Media and Public Affairs (CMPA) analyzed 979 separate news stories shown between Aug. 23 and Oct. 24,
ABC recorded 57 percent favorable comments toward the Democrats, and 42 percent positive for GOP
NBC had 56 percent positive for the Democrats, 16 percent for the Republicans.
CBS had 73 percent positive (Obama), versus 31 percent (McCain).
http://www.cmpa.com/studies_election_08.htm

former president CBS news![/]
“Personally, I have a great affection for CBS News....But I stopped watching it some time ago.
The unremitting liberal orientation finally became too much for me. I still check in, but less and less frequently. I increasingly drift to NBC News and Fox and MSNBC.”
— Former CBS News President Van Gordon Sauter in an op-ed published January 13, 2005 in the Los Angeles Times.

So you naive dumb f...k! If the former President of CBS NEWS says the news is BIASED!!!!

Ah yes, Fox News, Wall Street Journal, and Gallup; those bastions of Liberalism, all producing polls showing either a majority or a plurality who thought the Iraq war was either a "mistake" or "wrong."

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Idiotic challenge, could any conservative not bring up Obama under any circumstances except when mentioned in the OP? Not hardly. Past as well as present presidents and their policies are intertwined into so many issues that such would be impossible. I know many of you would very much like us to forget that many of you supported Bushco with an almost religious zeal but it aint gonna happen, these three letters, GWB, are going to hound conservatives to the grave, I guarantee it.

It's idiotic to challenge you puppets to stay on topic? What's the matter; you might be forced to take on the virtues (or lack thereof of) of Obama's actions? Too scared to give up your mindless deflections?

And nobody is saying that you can't regard GWB in specific GWB threads. I'm seeing if any of you propagandists have the guts to give up one of your main derailment subjects for a year. I reckon you're too much the coward to do that.

Oh I get it, you think that being reminded of your own blind following behavior is off topic when you accuse people of blindly following Obama, that's not off topic at all, it's the hard truth. When you show yourself to be a hypocrite expect flames.

Most of you seem to have forgotten that you were alright with all this 'socialism' and 'fascism' when he was serving as unitary executive, we are going to remind you for the rest of your life that you scared people opened the door and wedged it open accusing liberals of siding with terrorists the whole way.

Mya mya mya. I don't give two shits what anyone's political beliefs are for the purposes of this thread (right or left). This thread is for those who want to talk about the practical merits of taking the challenge (without political preaching) or to accept the challenge. Everyone else, right and left can stfu and gtfo like I've said on numerous occasions.

 

[Faun]

faun posted:
3) "So the Iraq war was, despite all that went wrong, a good thing; the "overwhelming majority" of Iraqis are (and presumably feel) better off because of it"

Ron posted:
I am absolutely sure the people of Iraq are estatic at the fact that between 20 and 30 Iraqis are killed in bombings each day in their country. It must be a great comfort to them to know that they or a loved one could be killed any second. Yes, I am sure the Iraqis have lots of fond memories of how many of their people died at the hands of American troops.
"Bloody October: 30 Iraqi civilians killed every day in deadliest month since 2008
By Alexander Smith, NBC News contributor
October was the deadliest month in Iraq in more than five years, with almost 1,000 people killed and hundreds more wounded, the United Nations said Friday.

The majority of the 979 deaths were civilians, rather than policemen or soldiers, meaning on average more than 30 non-enforcement personnel died in violent circumstances every day.

The figures, released by the UN Mission to help Iraq (UNAMI), said that 158 civilian police and 127 members of the security force were killed -- making October the bloodiest month since April 2008.

In addition, 1,793 people were wounded, including 218 civilian police and 109 security force members.'
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/11/01/21276375-bloody-october-30-iraqi-civilians-killed-every-day-in-deadliest-month-since-2008?lite

Would you mind telling me in what post number you think I said the words above which you ascribed to me?

Thanks in advance.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

In other words, you want the opportunity to cheap shot Obama on any topic, regardless of context, and don't want Bush mentioned. Even if relevant.

Fuck you and the horse you rode in on.

You demonstrate first hand how f'ing retarded you are, and how you have absolutely no thought process that doesn't include canned counter points about the other side. If I were to take 'a cheap shot' against Obama, you could defend it outright without having to refer to Bush. As it is you want the GWB BS in your backpocket to derail any thread.

I'll give you an example. 'The debt is out of control. Obama spends too much.' You either justify the debt/spending or you don't. Wtf the point of telling us that Bush did not control the debt/spending either? That Obama is no worse than Bush? Wtf does that do for anyone? That's just mud slinging. Get a f'ing backbone and f'ing believe something dude that goes beyond tearing down jackasses who are no longer in power.

Because nothing exist in a vacuum you stupid shit. There is cause and effect no matter how much assholes like you want to deny that truth.

I read on this thread earlier where some asshole that you like was back to blaming Clinton for the things gone wrong when Bush became President.

And you didn't say a fucking thing. So shut the fuk up about not wanting to mention Bush when ever appropriate. Ain't happening with me.

About the only thing I can say about this stupid thread is that YOU at least recognize that the Presidency of George Bush was a complete fucking disaster.

If it wasn't, you sure as hell would be talking about his accomplishments every damn day.
Especially if you could contrast them with the failures of the Obama presidency.

But there were no "accomplishments" worth talking about under George Bush was there?
So lets not mention him at all. Is that the plan? LMAO. Ain't happening dude.

Nobody's denying that there's no such thing as cause/effect or that political actions can't have lasting consequences. But you're clearly being intentionally dense. The point of this challenge is to get people to turn a new leaf and to get away from the stale GWB derailment tactics. You can't understand that because you're a bitter, small minded person who could never give up his dogma. Because that's all you have frankly. And you know what, if you want to see it that way; then by all means. But stfu and take your arguments out of this thread; because I'm not getting into the GWB vs. Obama argument with you here. I've seen that show on more than enough occasions to last me a lifetime.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

It's impossible. Libs excuse every act of Obama by saying Bush did it. But somehow Bush is bad and Obama is good even though they did the same thing.
Never mind all of it is nonsense. There is no equivalence. Bush was an experienced competent leader. Obama is a bumbling clusterfuck.

This thread is not about getting into Bush vs. Obama. It is a thread for liberal to accept the challenge or discuss the practical merits of taking the challenge without political preaching.

So should Obama rot in prison until his debt is paid off?

This thread is not about getting into Bush vs. Obama. It is a thread for liberal to accept the challenge or discuss the practical merits of taking the challenge without political preaching.

Bush's Presidency was fraudulent. He then made mistakes that led to 9-11, and then attacked a country that had nothing to do with 9-11. The economy faltered, the war was mismanaged, embassies attacked constantly, leading the Dems to take back Congress as early as the 2006 election.

Think about that. For decades and decades, the GOP never had unified power in DC. Finally they get it, and it's such a mega-clusterf___ that it only lasts a whopping six excruciating years. The GOP's policies just don't work.

This thread is not about getting into Bush vs. Obama. It is a thread for liberal to accept the challenge or discuss the practical merits of taking the challenge without political preaching.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Come on, this is theatre of your own choosing. We have to hype the fight. But if you want the discussion on a more elevated level, I will be happy to cooperate. If so, I suggest you review your own posts ON THIS THREAD for invective. I'm happy to let you set the tone, but it goes both ways.

Not that I can't appreciate your theater point, but I came up with the challenge simply because the GWB derailment tactics are stale, boresome, and overall pretty dopey. That's not to say that the Obama v GWB stuff can't be compelling at times or even relevant.

The same can be said of Hillary and Obama. I thought that USMB was supposed to be tiered: anything goes in "Politics", topic for a such as "The Economy" are intended to stay on topic and have a modicum of collegiality, and CDZ was to be a safe harbor from mean spiritedness. It didn't turn out that way. When I joined USMB several years ago, the kind of behavior you are deploring was ubiquitous, but 95% was coming from the Right. I used to get regularly negged (like four times in a day) for perfectly innocuous posts for defending ideas, much less public figures.

I can't speak to everything you say. But perhaps USMB has transformed over the years. No surprises there.

Now I agree that personal attacks on posters and public figures is detrimental to having good discussions and are way too common. Without triggering an exchange about who did it first, I am happy to agree to try to elevate the discussion.

I haven't said anything about personal attacks. That has nothing to do with this challenge. This challenge isn't about being so high minded or classy. It's just one change to get away from the same derailment tactics; and not even forever; just for a year. My hope is that posters will start to actually think about their arguments more, rather than just heading for the lowest common denominator of argument they can find. If nothing else, USMB will be just a little bit nicer, imo.

You tarred the entire left with a broad brush. Some of us have been having the kind of discussions you are asking for, and you should make an effort to discern the target of your ire more finely. Not all of us are Bush bashers. Your OP implied that you were not aware of that fact, hence the reason for my comment. I rarely post on "Politics"; most of my posts are in CDZ, "The Economy". "History", and "Religion".

There's exceptions to everything, but the left has pretty well tarred themselves with their constant propaganda on USMB. I don't see you ever condemning Rdean or Sallows propaganda either. So, you shouldn't think you're so far above the fray.

I debated in college (I married my debate partner!) and have taught logic classes. I know what an ad hominem is. I enjoy well written insults and the give-and-take of robust debate. If you were familiar with my writing, you would know that. Stop making this too easy for me by playing to your base with ill considered, imprecise, rash statements base on supposition rather than fact and which commit the exact fallacies you are accusing others of. There is little sport in debating an unskillful opponent.

Mmm, clearly you don't know what ad hominem is if you think that a mere insult is ad hominem. And for you state that you've taught logic classes, just makes that fact so much the sadder!

 

[ScienceRocks]

By comparison

SO people don't have a right to speak their minds or to defend themselves.

I bet your hero is that kid that knocks people out. FOR NO REASON.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

By comparison

SO people don't have a right to speak their minds or to defend themselves.

I bet your hero is that kid that knocks people out. FOR NO REASON.

This thread is not about getting into Bush vs. Obama (Or any other political issue). It is a thread for liberal to accept the challenge or discuss the practical merits of taking the challenge without political preaching.