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So pick one of those 22 that you think stacks up to the US head to head and we'll go from there.
If you're arguing for American exceptionalism, great. There I agree with you. But that was not your point. You argued for the status quo...
I stopped reading there. At no point did I ever argue for the status quo. My initial point was that drawing wide sweeping conclusions based on one teacher letting her emotions get the better of her is downright fucking stupid. And my follow up to your littany of stats is that I know statistics can be, and almost always are, misleading. I was in the business of manipulating stats for over 15 years to make them show whatever I needed to make them show in order to get venture capitalists and fund managers to open up their checkbooks. The education stats don't jive at all with anything I've seen personally. I suppose it's possible my personal experience is the exception and this story is the rule, but I highly doubt it. And finally, American exceptionalism is indeed part of this discussion. How can you reconcile American exceptionalism with the belief that we've completely failed at educating our children?
If you listened to the sound bite the kid was amazing. Even when confronted by a possibly unstable shrieking teacher he stuck to his principles. He should be on every talk show but alas he might be conservative so cross him off the list.
The teacher's name should be disclosed and be interviewed. Then a dehate on teacher unions and tenure should be held.
SPENCER --
A Rowan County high school teacher was suspended with pay from her job Monday following the release of a YouTube video in which she is heard yelling at a student in class and telling him it's wrong to criticize President Barack Obama.
The 10-minute video captured the sound of the dispute but mostly showed what appeared to be the classroom ceiling at North Rowan High School. It had about 450,000 views on YouTube as of Monday evening and was the focus of national media attention, including from talk show host Rush Limbaugh.
In the video, Tanya Dixon-Neely and her students debate several political issues, including a discussion about Obama and Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney.
The conversation starts with the class talking about recent accusations that Romney bullied someone as a teen in the 1960s. Dixon-Neely, a social studies teacher, then argues with some students who question whether Obama bullied someone in high school as well.
"That's disrespect. This man (Romney) is a presidential candidate. He's not the president," Dixon-Neely is heard shouting. "Let me tell you something. You will not disrespect the president of the United States in this classroom."
"I'll say what I want," a male student replied.
"Not about him you won't," Dixon-Neely replied.
"I'm going to call my dad real quick. We'll see," the student added. "I didn't disrespect him. I was just asking a question. I have different beliefs."
Later in the video, at least one student curses when the discussion changes to former President George W. Bush.
"Do you realize that people were arrested for saying things bad about Bush?" Dixon-Neely said. "You are not supposed to slander.
"As a social studies teacher I cannot allow you to slander any president in here, past or present. If that's the case, somebody could say negative things about the tea party."...
The teacher's name should be disclosed and be interviewed. Then a dehate on teacher unions and tenure should be held.
She was named and now on administrative suspension, with full pay and benefits:
Tanya Dixon-Neely
North Rowan High teacher suspended after yelling at student over Obama criticism | JournalNow.com
SPENCER --
A Rowan County high school teacher was suspended with pay from her job Monday following the release of a YouTube video in which she is heard yelling at a student in class and telling him it's wrong to criticize President Barack Obama.
The 10-minute video captured the sound of the dispute but mostly showed what appeared to be the classroom ceiling at North Rowan High School. It had about 450,000 views on YouTube as of Monday evening and was the focus of national media attention, including from talk show host Rush Limbaugh.
In the video, Tanya Dixon-Neely and her students debate several political issues, including a discussion about Obama and Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney.
The conversation starts with the class talking about recent accusations that Romney bullied someone as a teen in the 1960s. Dixon-Neely, a social studies teacher, then argues with some students who question whether Obama bullied someone in high school as well.
"That's disrespect. This man (Romney) is a presidential candidate. He's not the president," Dixon-Neely is heard shouting. "Let me tell you something. You will not disrespect the president of the United States in this classroom."
"I'll say what I want," a male student replied.
"Not about him you won't," Dixon-Neely replied.
"I'm going to call my dad real quick. We'll see," the student added. "I didn't disrespect him. I was just asking a question. I have different beliefs."
Later in the video, at least one student curses when the discussion changes to former President George W. Bush.
"Do you realize that people were arrested for saying things bad about Bush?" Dixon-Neely said. "You are not supposed to slander.
"As a social studies teacher I cannot allow you to slander any president in here, past or present. If that's the case, somebody could say negative things about the tea party."...
How can you reconcile American exceptionalism with the belief that we've completely failed at educating our children?
American exceptionalism exists because we are free...but our liberty is dwindling...
The sad thing about that audio tape is that a woman that ignorant is teaching our kids.
You're not allowed to criticize the President? Since when? This is America. We have a constitutional right to do just that.
Had a teacher 50 years ago give the class a spelling, all 28 students heard her say "spell flow", we all did and failed... she told the parents at the PTA, "I said spell flow, you know, the flow you stand on".
True Story
Teachers credentials have been eroding for years and it is getting unbelievable lately.
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The teacher's name should be disclosed and be interviewed. Then a dehate on teacher unions and tenure should be held.
She was named and now on administrative suspension, with full pay and benefits:
Tanya Dixon-Neely
North Rowan High teacher suspended after yelling at student over Obama criticism | JournalNow.com
SPENCER --
A Rowan County high school teacher was suspended with pay from her job Monday following the release of a YouTube video in which she is heard yelling at a student in class and telling him it's wrong to criticize President Barack Obama.
The 10-minute video captured the sound of the dispute but mostly showed what appeared to be the classroom ceiling at North Rowan High School. It had about 450,000 views on YouTube as of Monday evening and was the focus of national media attention, including from talk show host Rush Limbaugh.
In the video, Tanya Dixon-Neely and her students debate several political issues, including a discussion about Obama and Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney.
The conversation starts with the class talking about recent accusations that Romney bullied someone as a teen in the 1960s. Dixon-Neely, a social studies teacher, then argues with some students who question whether Obama bullied someone in high school as well.
"That's disrespect. This man (Romney) is a presidential candidate. He's not the president," Dixon-Neely is heard shouting. "Let me tell you something. You will not disrespect the president of the United States in this classroom."
"I'll say what I want," a male student replied.
"Not about him you won't," Dixon-Neely replied.
"I'm going to call my dad real quick. We'll see," the student added. "I didn't disrespect him. I was just asking a question. I have different beliefs."
Later in the video, at least one student curses when the discussion changes to former President George W. Bush.
"Do you realize that people were arrested for saying things bad about Bush?" Dixon-Neely said. "You are not supposed to slander.
"As a social studies teacher I cannot allow you to slander any president in here, past or present. If that's the case, somebody could say negative things about the tea party."...
Still waiting for the interview and debate!
I think Moonbeam is in a perpetual state of stoned... he rarely makes any sense whatsoever.
[The teacher] always has open discussions about the presidents and candidates, and she doesnt want to hear anything but what she believes, and if you disagree you get berated and put down, and I just decided to finally get some proof of it, he explained.
Rogers mother remarked: My biggest concern is that this teacher is responsible for teaching my child and hundreds of others, and she is not teaching them factual information.
If you're arguing for American exceptionalism, great. There I agree with you. But that was not your point. You argued for the status quo...
I stopped reading there. At no point did I ever argue for the status quo. My initial point was that drawing wide sweeping conclusions based on one teacher letting her emotions get the better of her is downright fucking stupid. And my follow up to your littany of stats is that I know statistics can be, and almost always are, misleading. I was in the business of manipulating stats for over 15 years to make them show whatever I needed to make them show in order to get venture capitalists and fund managers to open up their checkbooks. The education stats don't jive at all with anything I've seen personally. I suppose it's possible my personal experience is the exception and this story is the rule, but I highly doubt it. And finally, American exceptionalism is indeed part of this discussion. How can you reconcile American exceptionalism with the belief that we've completely failed at educating our children?
Why on earth would you think anybody is drawing conclusions based on this one case? We have already drawn our conclusions and this one situation just shows that the conclusion is dead on.
Because I believe we're exceptional despite centrally planned education.
All the rancor aside, I appreciate the debate. I've nothing more to add at this point.
All the best.
Because I believe we're exceptional despite centrally planned education.
All the rancor aside, I appreciate the debate. I've nothing more to add at this point.
All the best.
Our educational system is used as a weapon against us.
My sig says it all.
I'm mainly jealous whenever I hear these stories: Why the fuck didn't we get a nice coushy government job?
eflatminor is lying.
Oh screw you Jake.
eflatminor is lying.
Oh screw you Jake.
The story never happened, eflatminor. It is made up or altered from its core truth. The language is formulaic, like stories that begin "Once upon a time" or "This happened, no shit" or "eflatminor is lying again."
