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Give it a fucking rest, It is law and I explained why. It has the force of law. Therefore it is law. You seem to be struggling to walk a fine line between claiming to believe that the 14th supports the right to same sex marriage while, at the same time, trying to undermine it's ligitimacy and the significance of Obrgefell. You have to decide what it is that you believe, be honest and cut the inane bullshit.It's a court decision, an accepted practice. The courts ruled that not allowing gay marriage is a violation of 14th ammendment rights, which I am fine with, but it is not law until congress passes it into law. Courts can not create law. The fact that you are here saying it is essentially law, because it's case law, is exactly why I'm opposed to it. We can't have the court making decisions, then people running around saying "it's the law!", or "it's a constitutional right", when neither of those things are true until either congress makes it a law, or the constitution is amended. Until either of those things happen, the situation is just a protection of the constitution.
Are you fucking serious?! YOU who railed against "settled law" dare to insult our intellegince by claiming that Obergefell can't be overturned. Either you are just that stupid or you think that we are. Which would also make you stupi
You said that the Lefts claim that Christians hate gays was a myth, that it didn't exist. I just posted to prove that it is Indeed real. Leftys love to promote that Christians hate gays, there are radio programs that spew that line for hours and hours each day, and a plethora of posts here in usmb.I see that you worked hard on this. Too bad that you are too stupid to realized that it is all about Christian Conservatives and not about all or most Christians . You are also too stupid to understand that LGBT people are smart enough to know that. I have said before, many LGBT people are Christians and many Christian churches welcome them into their fold. Stop trying to pit gays against Christians. You do the same thing with Muslims and gays, when you are not busy pitting Muslims against Christians . You fucking people just love to sow discord and animosity when the real animosity is mostly emanating from you .
As I have said, it dosent matter if he "hates them" The issue is theeffect of his behavior. And yes iyt was humiliating and demeaning . The fact that you do not see that does not speak well for your level of emotional intelligence or capacity for empathyThe owner isn't a bigot. There is no evidence that the owner hates them because they are gay. Also, why would they be demeaned and humiliated? Did the baker start making fun of them? If he simply says "I'm sorry, but my religious views prevent me from having that level of involvement in your wedding, but, feel free to browse one of our pre made cakes", I see nothing demeaning about that. At that point, the couple has a choice. They can say "OK, thank you, we will find another bakery" or they can say "we disagree with your religious freedoms and will see you in court!"
Just more bullshit!You said that the Lefts claim that Christians hate gays was a myth, that it didn't exist. I just posted to prove that it is Indeed real. Leftys love to promote that Christians hate gays, there are radio programs that spew that line for hours and hours each day, and a plethora of posts here in usmb.
Yes, any church will welcome gay people into their fold, that should tell people on the left that Christians don't hate gay people, they are welcoming of them, but, there are many churches who will stop short of letting them into leadership positions.
I'm not pitting anyone against anyone, I'm merely pointing out the hypocrisy of the left in how they only seem to attack Christians for these things, but give others, such as Muslims, a pass.
No jackass I did not sat that . I said that some conservitive Christians reject gays and work to undermine gay rights. Is it possible that you are too dense to see the difference?You said that the Lefts claim that Christians hate gays was a myth, that it didn't exist.
I'm not trying to sow discord lol. You said you were not aware of any Muslim businesses turning away gay people, I showed you a video of it.Another attemp to divide by focusing on some anecdotal evidence and presenting it as reprentative of Muslim -Gay relationships in an attempt to sow discord . That really sucks
American Muslims Are Now More Accepting Of Homosexuality Than White Evangelicals
Queer and Muslim Americans are both marginalized in America -- making it crucial to form alliances.www.huffpost.com
Ok, the court overturned roe, so that means it is now law that abortion is a states rights issue?Give it a fucking rest, It is law and I explained why. It has the force of law. Therefore it is law. You seem to be struggling to walk a fine line between claiming to believe that the 14th supports the right to same sex marriage while, at the same time, trying to undermine it's ligitimacy and the significance of Obrgefell. You have to decide what it is that you believe, be honest and cut the inane bullshit.
Bullshit! The only evidence needed, when a law against discrimination is in effect, is that a person was treated differently from others because they are a minority. Stop trying so hard to convince me that you are stupid. I get it.seriously, you tell me that I haven't learned anything, but apparently you haven't learned anything. For there to be discrimination, there has to be evidence of hate, or malice toward the person you disagree with. Not every Christian hates gay people, probably most do not. They don't agree with their lifestyle, and that is perfect within their right. Businesses are allowed to set their own guidelines as to how they conduct business. Most businesses have a "right to refuse service.." sign posted somewhere on their property.
No jackass I did not sat that . I said that some conservitive Christians reject gays and work to undermine gay rights. Is it possible that you are too dense to see the difference?
The narative that Christians hate gays-and that gays hate christians is the crap emanating from you people who constantly work to divide people
I have empathy, but when they decided to take this to court to sue the guy for simply exercising his own civil rights, I tend to not be so empathetic.As I have said, it dosent matter if he "hates them" The issue is theeffect of his behavior. And yes iyt was humiliating and demeaning . The fact that you do not see that does not speak well for your level of emotional intelligence or capacity for empathy
According to the SCOTUS, yes. So what exactlyu is your point?Ok, the court overturned roe, so that means it is now law that abortion is a states rights issue?
Too fucking bad. Get another job where he does not have to serve the pubic or educate himeself on the real meaning of reigious libertyOnly the baker knows. All we know is, he felt that lending his services specifically for a gay wedding would be the same as him being a part of that wedding.
Ok.......so....if I understand you correctly, you are saying that, if a person is not willing to violate his own moral beliefs...if he is unwilling to provide all people access to his service based on PA laws, regardless of their own beliefs, rules of operation, or any of that, then he should not go into business? Is that what I'm to understand, because you already kind of said that in another post. I just want to be clear that is your stance.Bullshit! The only evidence needed, when a law against discrimination is in effect, is that a person was treated differently from others because they are a minority. Stop trying so hard to convince me that you are stupid. I get it.
According to the SCOTUS, yes. So what exactlyu is your point?
Too fucking bad. Get another job where he does not have to serve the pubic or educate himeself on the real meaning of reigious liberty
According to the SCOTUS, yes. So what exactlyu is your point?
And MAGAts voted twice for an avowed sexual assaulter.....and will probably vote for him again if he runs.
You claim to be in favor of gay rights while using a perverted interpretation of relious rights to excuse discrimination. In addition, you claim to believe that gay marriage is constitionally protectd but have a problem with laws that enforce those protections.You seem misunderstand me. I am not arguing against gay rights, I'm arguing FOR religious freedom. I'm sorry, I don't see it as discrimination. Unless that baker said something like "I don't serve your kind here, you disgust me and should be ashamed of yourselves", ya know, hate....malice.
You're a sicko loon. Now run along and snivel to the FBI, it's time for your daily reports and I'm sure they they can't wait to read your stupid ongoing screeds.
Again, I don't think it fits the description of discrimination. You seem to think that all exclusion, for any reason is discrimination. People are excluded from things all the time for various reasons. We don't start claiming discrimination unless it was for with hate and malice, for the explicit reason of just because they don't like the person, or their attributes.You claim to be in favor of gay rights while using a perverted interpretation of relious rights to excuse discrimination. In addition, you claim to believe that gay marriage is constitionally protectd but have a problem with laws that enforce those protections.
Again, you are living in an alternative reality where you think that you can just keep making shit up and be believed. It doesn’t matter that you don’t think that it’s discrimination. State laws consider it discrimination when someone is refused service or otherwise excluded from a place of public accommodation based on gender, race, religion, national origin and in some cases SEXUAL ORIENTATION.Again, I don't think it fits the description of discrimination. You seem to think that all exclusion, for any reason is discrimination. People are excluded from things all the time for various reasons. We don't start claiming discrimination unless it was for with hate and malice, for the explicit reason of just because they don't like the person, or their attributes.
I say gay marriage is already protected by the 14th A, and that I don't think the courts should be in the business of making laws.
Again, do you think all businesses should have to provide their service to everyone, regardless of their own beliefs and rules, and if they can't do that, then they shouldn't be in business?
Again, you are living in an alternative reality where you think that you can just keep making shit up and be believed. It doesn’t matter that you don’t think that it’s discrimination. State laws consider it discrimination when someone is refused service or otherwise excluded from a place of public accommodation based on gender, race, religion, national origin and in some cases SEXUAL ORIENTATION.
And no, I did not say that being excluded for any reason is discrimination, and yes people are excluded for various reasons all the time . If I don’t hire someone to work on my house for whatever reason, that is not discrimination and if it is someone who is obviously a member of one of the aforementioned groups, they would have to show that it was because of that membership and not because their quote was too high. To compare excluding someone for personal or business reasons to overtly doing so because of who or what a person is, is just plain stupid....and dishonest.
And your contention that it has to be based on “hate and malice” for it to be discrimination is just more of your made up bullshit. The only thing that matters is the ACT OF DISCRIMINATION and the only motive that must be proven is that the discrimination took place because that victim is a member of a protected minority.
Now on marriage. You keep saying that gay marriage is protected by the 14th and it is but only because the Obergefell decision carries the FORCE OF LAW as the result of CASE LAW. Yet you keep blathering about how the courts should not be “making law” while offering no explanation as to how, exactly same sex marriage is protected if the courts cannot “make law” in this manner. And you seem to be totally unable to grasp the difference between a situation where the courts make law by interpreting-or in the case of gay marriage-striking down a law, as opposed to legislation that actually creates a law, the latter of which you also oppose.
Getting back to discrimination you are consistently “all in” on protected the made up rights of someone who wishes to exclude another because of their minority status, based on a warped and perverted understanding of religious freedom, while brushing off the real and tangible harm being done to the victim of discrimination. This all adds up to overwhelming evidence that you are totally FULL OF SHIT when you claim to support gay rights and marriage equality. The only thing that I don’t know if your are so stupid that you do not realize how glaringly obvious you bullshit is, or, if you are just playing some sick game here, maybe thinking that those who read your crap are stupid enough to believe it.
Now a question: Christians have historically used religious beliefs to justify racial segregation and even slavery. Some still hold those views but these days they mostly keep it to themselves, What would you say if a Christian restaurant owner established a separate section for black patrons, or excluded them all together? Would that be justifiable, or would it be illegal discrimination. I can’t wait for your answer.
State laws consider it discrimination when someone is refused service or otherwise excluded from a place of public accommodation based on gender, race, religion, national origin and in some cases SEXUAL ORIENTATION.
If I don’t hire someone to work on my house for whatever reason, that is not discrimination and if it is someone who is obviously a member of one of the aforementioned groups, they would have to show that it was because of that membership and not because their quote was too high.
while offering no explanation as to how, exactly same sex marriage is protected if the courts cannot “make law” in this manner.
What would you say if a Christian restaurant owner established a separate section for black patrons, or excluded them all together? Would that be justifiable, or would it be illegal discrimination.
So, what tennants of Christian faith state that one cannot be associated with black people, or serve black people? I'm no Christian historian so I'll take your word for it on the aforementioned justifications. From my knowledge, there are no Christian laws or commandments to disassociate with anyone based on their skin color, race, or sexual orientation. So, if a Christian took any stance like the ones you mentioned and used their religion as a justification for it, then I'd say they are wrong, because Christianity, according to what I know of it, doesn't teach those things.
