Tell me . . .

[Rustic]

This country is only been around short-term in the grand scheme of things, over the last hundred plus years Socialism has taken it's toll. Long-term Socialism has 100% failure rate...
In other words the country is fucked… LOL
U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

Sure, if we stopped giving aid to foreign countries and kept that money at home to help our own, we would be doing fine. Also, cutting corporate welfare. More power to the people! Less power to the corporate shills!

But you think the federal government is the right vessel in making things all right in the world??

In the world? No. In our country? Sure, I have no problem with helping out the poor with my taxpayer dollars. As my link earlier indicated, charitable contributions were not enough. If we want to increase crime and poverty and sickness and death, then we would eliminate social services supports.

The problem is the federal government is about the worst possible choice in the "fairness" race, you do know career politicians on the federal government?
Forcing anyone to do anything against their will "all for the good of the people" is delusional…
Only good charity is a chosen charity, a forced charity would not be a charity at all would it??

Before the welfare system came into being, during the depression (like in the link I posted that you obviously did not read), there were not nearly enough charitable donations to help the poor. People were destitute and especially children paid the price. THAT is why the welfare system was created. Don't understand why you people have such a "horror" at helping out the poor people. You are a bunch of assholes.

I understand your concern, the problem is the federal government is absolutely the worst possible vessel for doing good in this country for anything. The federal government is owned by career politicians, who are only looking to win the next election for themselves and/or their party.
I'd love to help out people in need I just don't think it's necessary to go through the federal government, in fact I think it's a travesty to do so…

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

You invited everyone idiot. Good grief.

Spin baby spin

Nope, I would actually prefer if you left. So bye!

Need more rope? I'll gladly loan you about 7 ft....

Bye bye gramps. Don't let the door hit your fat ass on the way out!

I got you on the hook. You can't control yourself at this point. Muuuuuust respoooond........last word hangs in the balance. Too much positive feedback on Trump, must self destruct the thread.....arghhhhhhhh!

You've got nothing. No facts, no links, nothing. Run along now, greedy grandpa.

Your op doest ask for links or facts, it asks for opinions. When you discovered you didn't like the opinions you changed the subject. That describes a failed thread.

 

[ChrisL]

Sure, if we stopped giving aid to foreign countries and kept that money at home to help our own, we would be doing fine. Also, cutting corporate welfare. More power to the people! Less power to the corporate shills!

But you think the federal government is the right vessel in making things all right in the world??

In the world? No. In our country? Sure, I have no problem with helping out the poor with my taxpayer dollars. As my link earlier indicated, charitable contributions were not enough. If we want to increase crime and poverty and sickness and death, then we would eliminate social services supports.

The problem is the federal government is about the worst possible choice in the "fairness" race, you do know career politicians on the federal government?
Forcing anyone to do anything against their will "all for the good of the people" is delusional…
Only good charity is a chosen charity, a forced charity would not be a charity at all would it??

Before the welfare system came into being, during the depression (like in the link I posted that you obviously did not read), there were not nearly enough charitable donations to help the poor. People were destitute and especially children paid the price. THAT is why the welfare system was created. Don't understand why you people have such a "horror" at helping out the poor people. You are a bunch of assholes.

I understand your concern, the problem is the federal government is absolutely the worst possible vessel for doing good in this country for anything. The federal government is owned by career politicians, who are only looking to win the next election for themselves and/or their party.
I'd love to help out people in need I just don't think it's necessary to go through the federal government, in fact I think it's a travesty to do so…

But the great depression proves that is incorrect. In fact, my auntie and I volunteer for a soup kitchen and a food pantry, and there are never enough donations. They have begged for more, but there is not enough.

 

[ChrisL]

Nope, I would actually prefer if you left. So bye!

Need more rope? I'll gladly loan you about 7 ft....

Bye bye gramps. Don't let the door hit your fat ass on the way out!

I got you on the hook. You can't control yourself at this point. Muuuuuust respoooond........last word hangs in the balance. Too much positive feedback on Trump, must self destruct the thread.....arghhhhhhhh!

You've got nothing. No facts, no links, nothing. Run along now, greedy grandpa.

Your op doest ask for links or facts, it asks for opinions. When you discovered you didn't like the opinions you changed the subject. That describes a failed thread.

And I can because it's MY thread that I created, and I've decided that I want to cover this topic. Obviously it is very upsetting for you, so I would suggest you go take your afternoon nappy.

 

[owebo]

If anything, our government should be using our tax money to help out our own people. That is the correct way to spend the money.

I agree....in fact, they should let the people keep their money.....

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

If you are voting for either Hillary or Trump, tell me why.

1. What is about these candidates that attracts you?
2. Which of your chosen candidate's platforms/stances do you agree with?
3. Why are you against the "other guy"?

PLEASE answer the questions and stay on topic. Thanks.

Seems the op can't even follow her own pleadings. Lol corporate welfare ftw!

 

[Hiryuu]

But the great depression proves that is incorrect. In fact, my auntie and I volunteer for a soup kitchen and a food pantry, and there are never enough donations. They have begged for more, but there is not enough.

Perhaps people think they have already given all that was needed through the government's taxation and redistribution. I mean dang, are you saying that the government isn't actually helping the poor up to par?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

I especially like the PLEASE stay on topic part!

 

[ChrisL]

From my perspective, what I see is, give more tax breaks to the rich, and fuck the poor people, screw the moms and kids.

 

[Rustic]

This country is only been around short-term in the grand scheme of things, over the last hundred plus years Socialism has taken it's toll. Long-term Socialism has 100% failure rate...
In other words the country is fucked… LOL
U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

Sure, if we stopped giving aid to foreign countries and kept that money at home to help our own, we would be doing fine. Also, cutting corporate welfare. More power to the people! Less power to the corporate shills!

But you think the federal government is the right vessel in making things all right in the world??

In the world? No. In our country? Sure, I have no problem with helping out the poor with my taxpayer dollars. As my link earlier indicated, charitable contributions were not enough. If we want to increase crime and poverty and sickness and death, then we would eliminate social services supports.

The problem is the federal government is about the worst possible choice in the "fairness" race, you do know career politicians on the federal government?
Forcing anyone to do anything against their will "all for the good of the people" is delusional…
Only good charity is a chosen charity, a forced charity would not be a charity at all would it??

Before the welfare system came into being, during the depression (like in the link I posted that you obviously did not read), there were not nearly enough charitable donations to help the poor. People were destitute and especially children paid the price. THAT is why the welfare system was created. Don't understand why you people have such a "horror" at helping out the poor people. YOU'RE A VERY NICE GUY

Here is where political correctness came into play, if you just don't go with the flow you don't care. That's the problem we are not all in this all together, Because there is such a thing as the individual. And there is no freedom when the federal government is making all of the decisions…

 

[ChrisL]

I especially like the PLEASE stay on topic part!

Look at you, having a mini meltdown. I would suggest you leave this thread since it is sooo upsetting for you. Lol. I want to have a serious conversation about important issues. I don't care if you're upset that the thread was derailed. I really, really don't. You mean nothing to me or this thread and you can fugoff.

 

[owebo]

But you think the federal government is the right vessel in making things all right in the world??

In the world? No. In our country? Sure, I have no problem with helping out the poor with my taxpayer dollars. As my link earlier indicated, charitable contributions were not enough. If we want to increase crime and poverty and sickness and death, then we would eliminate social services supports.

The problem is the federal government is about the worst possible choice in the "fairness" race, you do know career politicians on the federal government?
Forcing anyone to do anything against their will "all for the good of the people" is delusional…
Only good charity is a chosen charity, a forced charity would not be a charity at all would it??

Before the welfare system came into being, during the depression (like in the link I posted that you obviously did not read), there were not nearly enough charitable donations to help the poor. People were destitute and especially children paid the price. THAT is why the welfare system was created. Don't understand why you people have such a "horror" at helping out the poor people. You are a bunch of assholes.

I understand your concern, the problem is the federal government is absolutely the worst possible vessel for doing good in this country for anything. The federal government is owned by career politicians, who are only looking to win the next election for themselves and/or their party.
I'd love to help out people in need I just don't think it's necessary to go through the federal government, in fact I think it's a travesty to do so…

But the great depression proves that is incorrect. In fact, my auntie and I volunteer for a soup kitchen and a food pantry, and there are never enough donations. They have begged for more, but there is not enough.

I volunteer at soup kitchens too.....I stand there imagining get what it would be like I of our .gov got out of our way and let us create jobs so they could contribute.....

The .gov is the problem...liberals are the .govs keeper.....

 

[ChrisL]

These issues are topical since these are some of the reasons why I would not vote for Trumpster.

 

[Hiryuu]

From my perspective, what I see is, give more tax breaks to the rich, and fuck the poor people, screw the moms and kids.

That's what you get when you rely on the government to fix what it cannot, and allow corruption to rule the roost.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

I especially like the PLEASE stay on topic part!

Look at you, having a mini meltdown. I would suggest you leave this thread since it is sooo upsetting for you. Lol. I want to have a serious conversation about important issues. I don't care if you're upset that the thread was derailed. I really, really don't. You mean nothing to me or this thread and you can fugoff.

Fugoff? Lol

The wheels on the bus go round & round

 

[owebo]

These issues are topical since these are some of the reasons why I would not vote for Trumpster.

Why? Trump stands for all the things,you want.....

Ending corporate welfare
Making an environment where jobs can be created
Keeping us from stupid wars
Lowering taxes....

All things that help the poor....

 

[Rustic]

But you think the federal government is the right vessel in making things all right in the world??

In the world? No. In our country? Sure, I have no problem with helping out the poor with my taxpayer dollars. As my link earlier indicated, charitable contributions were not enough. If we want to increase crime and poverty and sickness and death, then we would eliminate social services supports.

The problem is the federal government is about the worst possible choice in the "fairness" race, you do know career politicians on the federal government?
Forcing anyone to do anything against their will "all for the good of the people" is delusional…
Only good charity is a chosen charity, a forced charity would not be a charity at all would it??

Before the welfare system came into being, during the depression (like in the link I posted that you obviously did not read), there were not nearly enough charitable donations to help the poor. People were destitute and especially children paid the price. THAT is why the welfare system was created. Don't understand why you people have such a "horror" at helping out the poor people. You are a bunch of assholes.

I understand your concern, the problem is the federal government is absolutely the worst possible vessel for doing good in this country for anything. The federal government is owned by career politicians, who are only looking to win the next election for themselves and/or their party.
I'd love to help out people in need I just don't think it's necessary to go through the federal government, in fact I think it's a travesty to do so…

But the great depression proves that is incorrect. In fact, my auntie and I volunteer for a soup kitchen and a food pantry, and there are never enough donations. They have begged for more, but there is not enough.

That maybe true, there will always be the "destitute". But forcing someone into giving? Through the federal government? I can only see absolute corruption there....

 

[Wyatt earp]

Again..... blame the ones spending your money. I have no interest in reading Ows propaganda

That's not propaganda. It's facts.

Fact about how you "feel" perhaps.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but your feeling aren't going to create any jobs.

I don't know what you're talking about. The fact of the matter is that you pay way more for corporate subsidies than you do to support the poor.

More bullshit. Complete fabricated bullshit. Like I said you got lots of propaganda. You don't know my tax burden nor my charitable contributions.
The FACT remains that YOU continue to blame others for the theft & squandering that the government does with your money.
Your positions are based on emotion not facts. I gave you the two facts that could draw jobs back to our country but you choose to be obtuse & ignore them.

I'm done here

Where Is The Outrage Over Corporate Welfare?

Think about that. The largest, wealthiest, most powerful organizations in the world are on the public dole. Where is the outrage? Back when I was young, people went into a frenzy at the thought of some unemployed person using food stamps to buy liquor or cigarettes. Ronald Reagan famously campaigned against welfare queens. The right has always been obsessed with moochers. But Boeing receives $13 billion in government handouts and everyone yawns, when conservatives should be grabbing their pitchforks.

According to Good Jobs First, there are 514 economic development programs in the 50 states and the District of Columbia. More than 245,000 awards have been granted under those programs. I ask again, where is the outrage? The system is antithetical to the idea of free markets. A quarter of a million times, state governments decided what is best for producers and consumers. That should make us cringe. First, the government is inefficient at providing public goods, and it is terrible at manipulating the markets for private goods. But more importantly, those 514 economic development programs are almost all the result of insidious cronyism. Narrow business interests manipulate government policymakers, and those interests prosper to the detriment of everyone else. Free markets be damned.

Why are you against that $13 billion dollars for Boeing that goes toward high paying union jobs?

 

[Rustic]

 

[ChrisL]

I especially like the PLEASE stay on topic part!

Look at you, having a mini meltdown. I would suggest you leave this thread since it is sooo upsetting for you. Lol. I want to have a serious conversation about important issues. I don't care if you're upset that the thread was derailed. I really, really don't. You mean nothing to me or this thread and you can fugoff.

Fugoff? Lol

The wheels on the bus go round & round

Goodnight gramps! Either talk about the topic or leave please. Thanks.