Terminally-ill Man Today Died 'with a Smile on his Face...

[emilynghiem]

Everybody should have control over his own life. From the secular point of view, he should be able to decide if he wanted to end his own life. From the religious point of view, he needs to reconcile with his belief about ending his own live.

Dear defcon4
Even so, I would recommend there should still be some procedures in place to ensure against abuses
* such as people killing someone and then covering it up by making it look like a willful death
* setting up or coercing mentally ill or disabled persons to kill themselves so beneficiaries profit in some way
* doctors profiting off providing assistance by denying patients access or information that could have saved their lives
We already have problems with the abortion choice, and people arguing it is too easily coerced or abused to force that on women. We should learn from this situation, and make sure the choice of termination isn't abused in cases of euthanasia, assisted suicide or mercy killing.

The best argument I've ever heard for why shouldn't assisted suicide not be legalized, when it doesn't appear to make sense, is the issue of covering up murder by claiming the person consented to it.

 

[The Professor]

I have trouble deciding if it is a sin. I know taking a life, is, but would God understand the pain of a terminally ill patient makes the difference? Will you still be saved?

Some Christians would define suicide as a type of murder, but I disagree. I would define murder as: The unlawful killing of one human by another. This is certainly the way the law defines it. I don't believe that we should have one dictionary for use when we speak to each other, and another dictionary when we attempt to interpret the Bible.

But, hey, I agree that suicide should be a crime punishable by death!!

Even though suicide is clearly not murder (a crime which is prohibited by the Bible); some Christians resort to the writings of Paul to show that the body is the temple of the holy spirit and therefore killing one's own body is a sin. These Christians rely on the following scripture:

“Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are” (1 Corinthians 3:16-17, KJV).

“Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's” (1 Corinthians 6:18-20, KJV).

These verses do not address suicide directly, so I suppose everyone is is free to interpret them in any way they desire. I do find it interesting that the only sin against the body that Paul mentions is fornication, which would strongly suggest that suicide was not such a sin. Besides, if suicide - which I would define as the act of hastening one's own death - is a sin, then it must also be true that any act which causes one's premature demise is equally sinful. Thus, those who smoke, drink excessively or fail to diet and exercise properly would also be condemned to the eternal fires of Hell.

There is a difference between those who kill others others and those who take their own lives in quiet desperation. I have studied various versions of the Bible for over sixty years, and have found no specific mention of suicide. I would contend that if God is fair and just, as Christians believe, He will not condemn those who took their own lives; instead, he will heal their pain so that they can live and love and laugh again; or, as the Bible puts it, He will “Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit” (Psalm 51:12). and “ And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away” (Revelation 21:4). What kind of God would torment for all eternity those who faced so much torment in their lives that they could no longer bear it?

For the record, my son committed suicide in 2008, just a few months before his twenty-fourth birthday.

 

[Jackson]

Everybody should have control over his own life. From the secular point of view, he should be able to decide if he wanted to end his own life. From the religious point of view, he needs to reconcile with his belief about ending his own live.

Dear defcon4
Even so, I would recommend there should still be some procedures in place to ensure against abuses
* such as people killing someone and then covering it up by making it look like a willful death
* setting up or coercing mentally ill or disabled persons to kill themselves so beneficiaries profit in some way
* doctors profiting off providing assistance by denying patients access or information that could have saved their lives
We already have problems with the abortion choice, and people arguing it is too easily coerced or abused to force that on women. We should learn from this situation, and make sure the choice of termination isn't abused in cases of euthanasia, assisted suicide or mercy killing.

The best argument I've ever heard for why shouldn't assisted suicide not be legalized, when it doesn't appear to make sense, is the issue of covering up murder by claiming the person consented to it.

And those are reasonable concerns. Perhaps a court could get involved, except that would take so long when the person is in pain. I think abortions are too easy, this could be the same thing. If nothing else a doctor or health specialist should be considered.

 

[emilynghiem]

Emily, that is a good idea to have counseling from a cleric who would be understanding to the plight of an individual who is terminal and in pain. It probably wouldn't matter but a short time before they succumbed to the disease. But it would be easier on the family finances, planning and help with individuals wanting to say, "Goodbye."

Hi Jackson
I think there are two different levels we are both addressing here
1. one is the counseling through the process, independent of the conditions that may be irreversible, and yes it is important to having healing and peace for closure and to enjoy the most of those days left with family. So the healing process CAN help resolve any issues with family that might otherwise mar the quality of time they do have to enjoy with each other.
That is one level, independent of the outcome and if the situation changes or not.

2. But I'm also talking about something more than just counseling.
The spiritual healing process, especially the deliverance therapy and generational healing,
has actually changed people's conditions from terminal to perfectly restored health with no side effects or symptoms.

One woman that my friend Olivia's ministry helped,
was within 20 minutes of dying with even the onset of organ failure.
But Olivia and her prayer partner got the vision this lady was not meant to die
but meant to live and tell her testimony. And after they prayed, she was restored to perfect health -- Walking around with no symptoms of damaged organs or disease, and the doctors can't fully explain it.

Spiritually, the level of energy can boost the mind and body to heal themselves and overcome or reverse conditions that medicine, science or surgery cannot replicate. The mind and body can be changed in surprising ways, depending on each person's situation or path in life. (The key step in healing and recovery programs is FORGIVENESS, identifying areas of blockage in the mind or memories, even conflicts from past generations beyond this lifetime, and committing or praying to remove or let those blockage go, so that any negative energy attached to them is also released. And this process opens up channels for the lifegiving energy used by the mind and body to heal themselves naturally, so the process is either restored to normally or boosted above normal in cases of miraculous healing that exceeds expected results.)

Other patients that Olivia has prayed for died anyway, but their families received healing and peace, and the healing occurred on that level even though the physical disease was not changed. (in the books listed in the link, Dr. Francis MacNutt also wrote of cases where the answer to prayers did not come as expected, but the healing came indirectly through other means. So he recommends working with all available resources, not rejecting science or medicine, since all levels are needed to facilitate healing of the whole person, body mind and spirit.)

So either way, the spiritual healing can help the process, and even reverse it in some cases.
It works voluntarily, it does not work by coercion or attaching any expectations on the process or outcome.

If everyone had access to help with this, I believe we could
intervene to reduce the incidence, costs and deaths associated with
all levels of physical, mental and even criminal illness, abuse, addiction, destroyed relations,
and other social ills. And the lives and resources saved could then be invested in
better prevention and education, to improve the quality of life and health both for individuals
and collectively for society since the relations between individuals and whole institutions are also restored
by the same healing process. It just replicates and multiplies in effect, once one person heals
they share that with their families and communities and it helps other people in a chain reaction.

Just curious, what is the name of the spiritual healing place?

The practitioners I recommend for research into the natural methods that are free effective and safe:
* Dr. Phillip Goldfedder Healing is Yours. Alternative Medicine Healing Ministry. I think he may be in NC?
* Drs. Francis and Judith MacNutt Christian Healing Ministries - Christian Healing Ministries They are located in FL.
The research study on Rheumatoid Arthritis can be found online, that showed Dr. MacNutt's team
yielded successful results, but this doesn't prove that other teams or methods work as effectively as his.
* Olivia Reiner is my friend in Houston who volunteers with a nonprofit healing outreach to end abuse and crime, and the same healing methods have also cured cancer, multiple personalities, alcohol and drug addictions, etc.

Her number is posted on that website 713-829-0899

The book by Dr. MacNutt I recommend the best explains the healing process and different applications of it
is HEALING, edition 1999 or later.

For the exorcism level of spiritual healing, I recommend Scott. Peck's book "Glimpses of the Devil"
where he describes the process he applied to two schizophrenic patients that changed his mind on the subject.
he thought schizophrenia and voices were just delusions in minds of patients due to chemistry or neurological issues; but this process showed him not only was there a method to the sickness but also to the cure. And even though he couldn't prove what was happening spiritually that only he and his team could see, he could record the observation and changes/stages of behavior from sickness to returning to normal mindset and function in the patients. So he concluded this spiritual therapy could be documented and developed as a valid method of treatment, which allowed him to restore the minds of patients who had previously been incureable. the extreme mental conditions they had prevented them from complying with any instructions or treatment, but after he applied the exorcism and deliverance techniques, the demonic voices/personalities were removed and the patients were able to respond to regular mental and medical treatment in order to return to normal function. One patient finished her treatment and went into medical science; the other died of longterm diseased conditions that had progressed for too long since she had gone all her adult life without receiving treatment, so Peck recommended that patients receive treatment sooner than later to increase their chances of fuller recovery.

I believe these methods will help revolutionize mental and medical care, saving lives and resources in order to serve more of the population. The mental health and criminal justice system would be completely reformed by treating criminal illness, abuse, addiction and dangerous behaviorial disorders as cureable diseases if caught in time, and if not, if found to be terminal, at least these can be properly diagnosed instead of going unchecked.

 

[Political Junky]

Some "Christians" apparently think their God wishes to inflict pain and suffering.

 

[Carla_Danger]

terminally-ill man today died 'with a smile on his face'

A terminally-ill man today died 'with a smile on his face' and urged his loved-ones to 'seize the moment' as he ended his own life at the Dignitas suicide clinic.

Bob Cole, 68, who was battling an aggressive form of lung cancer, took a lethal cocktail of drugs just 18 months after he watched his wife Ann, 67, die in the same way in Switzerland.

In a text sent from his bedside at 2.25pm this afternoon a friend wrote: 'Dear friends, Bob died with smile on his face to Beethoven's Ode to Joy. He asked you all the seize the time'.

The former carpenter wanted to publicise his death because he wants MPs to 'have the guts' to decriminalise assisted suicide in Britain.

Read more: Bob Cole whose wife died at Dignitas 18 months ago ended own life today Daily Mail Online
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What is your opinion of suicide or assisted suicide?

I think people should be allowed to die with dignity.

 

[Carla_Danger]

I have trouble deciding if it is a sin. I know taking a life, is, but would God understand the pain of a terminally ill patient makes the difference? Will you still be saved?

Gawd doesn't seem very concerned about people suffering.

 

[defcon4]

* Drs. Francis and Judith MacNutt Christian Healing Ministries - Christian Healing Ministries They are located in FL.

It is a quite dangerous business in Florida lately:
3 Alternative Health Doctors Found Dead In the Last 2 Weeks After Run-Ins With The Feds

Health Freedom Alliance 3 Alternative Health Doctors Found Dead In the Last 2 Weeks After Run-Ins With The Feds

 

[Jackson]

I have trouble deciding if it is a sin. I know taking a life, is, but would God understand the pain of a terminally ill patient makes the difference? Will you still be saved?

Some Christians would define suicide as a type of murder, but I disagree. I would define murder as: The unlawful killing of one human by another. This is certainly the way the law defines it. I don't believe that we should have one dictionary for use when we speak to each other, and another dictionary when we attempt to interpret the Bible.

But, hey, I agree that suicide should be a crime punishable by death!!

Even though suicide is clearly not murder (a crime which is prohibited by the Bible); some Christians resort to the writings of Paul to show that the body is the temple of the holy spirit and therefore killing one's own body is a sin. These Christians rely on the following scripture:

“Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are” (1 Corinthians 3:16-17, KJV).

“Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's” (1 Corinthians 6:18-20, KJV).

These verses do not address suicide directly, so I suppose everyone is is free to interpret them in any way they desire. I do find it interesting that the only sin against the body that Paul mentions is fornication, which would strongly suggest that suicide was not such a sin. Besides, if suicide - which I would define as the act of hastening one's own death - is a sin, then it must also be true that any act which causes one's premature demise is equally sinful. Thus, those who smoke, drink excessively or fail to diet and exercise properly would also be condemned to the eternal fires of Hell.

There is a difference between those who kill others others and those who take their own lives in quiet desperation. I have studied various versions of the Bible for over sixty years, and have found no specific mention of suicide. I would contend that if God is fair and just, as Christians believe, He will not condemn those who took their own lives; instead, he will heal their pain so that they can live and love and laugh again; or, as the Bible puts it, He will “Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit” (Psalm 51:12). and “ And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away” (Revelation 21:4). What kind of God would torment for all eternity those who faced so much torment in their lives that they could no longer bear it?

For the record, my son committed suicide in 2008, just a few months before his twenty-fourth birthday.

Thank you and I am SO sorry. That has to be unbearable pain.

I would contend that if God is fair and just, as Christians believe, He will not condemn those who took their own lives; instead, he will heal their pain so that they can live and love and laugh again; or, as the Bible puts it, He will “Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit” (Psalm 51:12). and “ And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away” (Revelation 21:4). What kind of God would torment for all eternity those who faced so much torment in their lives that they could no longer bear it?

I believe God is most merciful and loving. He loves his sons and daughters without conditions. I think what you have written is right. "And God shall wipe away all the tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be no pain..."

What a wonderful passage for you to remember. Be well, my friend.

 

[Carla_Danger]

I darn sure don't want my family to have to sit and watch me suffer.

 

[Jackson]

* Drs. Francis and Judith MacNutt Christian Healing Ministries - Christian Healing Ministries They are located in FL.

It is a quite dangerous business in Florida lately:
3 Alternative Health Doctors Found Dead In the Last 2 Weeks After Run-Ins With The Feds
View attachment 47425
Health Freedom Alliance 3 Alternative Health Doctors Found Dead In the Last 2 Weeks After Run-Ins With The Feds

I would like to know more about this when it comes available...IF it comes available...

 

[defcon4]

* Drs. Francis and Judith MacNutt Christian Healing Ministries - Christian Healing Ministries They are located in FL.

It is a quite dangerous business in Florida lately:
3 Alternative Health Doctors Found Dead In the Last 2 Weeks After Run-Ins With The Feds
View attachment 47425
Health Freedom Alliance 3 Alternative Health Doctors Found Dead In the Last 2 Weeks After Run-Ins With The Feds

I would like to know more about this when it comes available...IF it comes available...

Check out the link.. it may leads to more links… it's been a few months ago

 

[Jackson]

* Drs. Francis and Judith MacNutt Christian Healing Ministries - Christian Healing Ministries They are located in FL.

It is a quite dangerous business in Florida lately:
3 Alternative Health Doctors Found Dead In the Last 2 Weeks After Run-Ins With The Feds
View attachment 47425
Health Freedom Alliance 3 Alternative Health Doctors Found Dead In the Last 2 Weeks After Run-Ins With The Feds

I would like to know more about this when it comes available...IF it comes available...

Check out the link.. it may leads to more links… it's been a few months ago

I didn't find anything new in those links.

 

[guno]

Death with Dignity

End of Life Choice Death with Dignity Palliative Care and Counseling - Compassion Choices

 

[emilynghiem]

I have trouble deciding if it is a sin. I know taking a life, is, but would God understand the pain of a terminally ill patient makes the difference? Will you still be saved?

Some Christians would define suicide as a type of murder, but I disagree. I would define murder as: The unlawful killing of one human by another. This is certainly the way the law defines it. I don't believe that we should have one dictionary for use when we speak to each other, and another dictionary when we attempt to interpret the Bible.

But, hey, I agree that suicide should be a crime punishable by death!!

Even though suicide is clearly not murder (a crime which is prohibited by the Bible); some Christians resort to the writings of Paul to show that the body is the temple of the holy spirit and therefore killing one's own body is a sin. These Christians rely on the following scripture:

“Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are” (1 Corinthians 3:16-17, KJV).

“Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's” (1 Corinthians 6:18-20, KJV).

These verses do not address suicide directly, so I suppose everyone is is free to interpret them in any way they desire. I do find it interesting that the only sin against the body that Paul mentions is fornication, which would strongly suggest that suicide was not such a sin. Besides, if suicide - which I would define as the act of hastening one's own death - is a sin, then it must also be true that any act which causes one's premature demise is equally sinful. Thus, those who smoke, drink excessively or fail to diet and exercise properly would also be condemned to the eternal fires of Hell.

There is a difference between those who kill others others and those who take their own lives in quiet desperation. I have studied various versions of the Bible for over sixty years, and have found no specific mention of suicide. I would contend that if God is fair and just, as Christians believe, He will not condemn those who took their own lives; instead, he will heal their pain so that they can live and love and laugh again; or, as the Bible puts it, He will “Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit” (Psalm 51:12). and “ And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away” (Revelation 21:4). What kind of God would torment for all eternity those who faced so much torment in their lives that they could no longer bear it?

For the record, my son committed suicide in 2008, just a few months before his twenty-fourth birthday.

Dear The Professor I am sorry to know that your son died so young. I hope the blessings he brought in his 24 years continue to live on and that the wisdom, experience and understanding you are able to share benefits many others through that eternal love that transcends death. God bless you and your son for the love you have shared, and the higher purpose your lives and experiences serve in God's greater plans for humanity. May God continue to guide you and all others who have lost loved ones, as we seek to understand and fulfill God's purposes, where the joys and successes in store far outweigh even the worst heartbreaks and suffering of the past. I am sorry to hear this, and pray for full healing for your family and everyone affected by the loss of your son. May you all be truly blessed.

I just found out a friend of mine I wanted to get back in touch with died at 28, and with the lack of
any reports of an accident or illness, the first question that another friend asked me was if it was by suicide. I hope not, but I am worried it could be. So I may have just found out I lost a friend to that as well, maybe from depression, I haven't found out what happened, but it was back in January and I just now learned.

I had done some soul searching and research into suicide prevention and survival.
Some people who survived attempts said they did so out of absolute pain they were "dying to escape."
Another friend lost her 14 year old brother who shot himself in a fit of rage against his mom for telling him no.
So anger and an act of rebelling to express rage at something or someone is behind some cases of suicide.
For depression, the loss of the will to live, where the life energy is literally drained from the person's body
until they either wither away or actively end their life is another factor I've found.
And the other is a sudden surge or disruptive event that can suddenly trigger someone to die or kill themselves.
Again, either a sudden breaking off or drop in the life energy where the person is cut off. Or an abnormal surge, and some have been blamed on the mixing of negative/dark/occult energy with the positive lifegiving energy normally circulated by positive thoughts and prayers as Christians teach to focus on and to renounce anything demonic or satanic that clashes with positive energy and creates risks of illness, sickness, death or disruption.

The analogy I developed was that the spirit of suicide was like an invisible robber that can get inside the walls of someone's protective home and rob them of the will to live and kill them in the process.

Sometimes people survive the attack by this robber.
Sometimes they open up the door to let this robber in.
Sometimes other people around the person get attacked as well by this negative spirit, but they survive it.

so the guilt of surviving can be similar to after a crime occurs, and people's search for justice
and wanting to know why this happened and could it be prevented,
can lead to blame, shame and guilt, feeling bad that more wasn't done to prevent the robber from killing.

Normally we don't blame the crime victim if they are attacked by a robber or killer we can see.
We know to blame the killer.

But in the case of suicide the killing spirit is invisible. The demons or disruption,
the "surge in the line" of extreme anger or pain that sent someone over the edge.
The sudden drop in life energy, the depression that kills the will to live where the person is lost
and cut off before they are actually lost physically.

Since all we can see is the person, or the people around them, the blame gets projected there.
We want so badly to have answers, to be assured there is a factor we can find and prevent
so this doesn't happen again, that we can turn to blaming the people we can identify.

I am interested in trying to find these areas or causes of surges or breaks in the line,
and make sure they are healed in advance. If there is no stored up angst or unforgiveness,
ill will or disruptive energy, no messing with occult forces that twist the mind to hold on to negative
anger and evil perceptions of others to project ill will and more negative energy,
if there is no severe lapses of depression that kill someone's spirit,
maybe we can catch these culprits before they kill off someone's will to live.

That is what I hope for, given the wonderful outreach work and transformations I've seen
people experience in life. I can only hope this same lifesaving grace can help others in a positive
chain reaction of inspiring and uplifting more people to overcome the ills and negative surges
we experience from time to time, but root these out at the source. Don't let them build up,
and don't suppress a break or build up on the line, where the fuse gets blown someday and someone dies.

The more we open up the positive channels, embrace and connect with each other, and
reinforce the networks connecting us where there is pure spiritual healing and life giving energy
flowing freely through the entire circuit, this wards off the negative attacks, this cures the breaks
and prevents sudden surges from cutting someone off. I hope this process of sharing the healing
energy will eventually root out and cure all causes of murder, suicide, abuse, addiction and other
conflicts imbalances and ills that lead to unnatural suffering and death. Some things we can't prevent,
but the things we can, I believe scientific study will help us document how the system works, and'
we can figure out how to keep our hearts, minds, bodies, relations and lives health and in natural balance.

I believe we can overcome the ills and unnatural surges that cause death, disease and destruction.
And this is taught both in Christianity, and in Buddhism as the truth that sets us free from suffering sin and strife.
By the healing power of FORGIVENESS then all things can be made perfect, whole and new
for lasting peace. Starting with our individual lives and relations, and collectively healing all of humanity as one.

 

[Jackson]

Death with Dignity

End of Life Choice Death with Dignity Palliative Care and Counseling - Compassion Choices

That sounds like a good solution. Does this depend on the state?

 

[guno]

Death with Dignity

End of Life Choice Death with Dignity Palliative Care and Counseling - Compassion Choices

That sounds like a good solution. Does this depend on the state?

Yes

 

[emilynghiem]

Some "Christians" apparently think their God wishes to inflict pain and suffering.

Dear Political Junky
Only if it is to teach people about reaping what you sow.
If we are to learn the benefit of forgiveness, and to avoid the dangers of unforgiveness,
then the sickness we wallow in, the self-destructive resentment and anger,
sometimes might have to cause undesirable suffering, like the pain of a nail in the foot,
so we seek to remove this and not live with this ill will making us sick and destroying our relations.

This is not supposed to be punishment per se.
the negative consequences are to teach us by trial and error, cause and effect,
that ill will begets ill will, suffering, unhappiness and pain
while good will attracts more positive outcomes and people in our lives.

We can either make life a heaven on earth or a hell.

We can find heavenly peace where we
choose the path of forgiveness and including and saving relations, out of "restorative justice"
and faith to correct and right the wrongs with love not fear or anger,
instead of projecting unforgiveness, rejection and cutting people off out of ill will or retribution,
that causes living hell or war destroying the human spirit and killing our humanity.

The spirit of Restorative Justice is the meaning of Christ Jesus, the embodiment of
perfect Good Will for all or God's divine will and universal love,
uniting and renewing the love of humanity, truth, justice and peace.

The opposite spirit is Retribution which is of ill will that divides and destroys.

This ill will is not to punish people, but to teach us the difference.
Since our human consciences learn by experience, then by comparing the difference
in acting out of good will and forgiveness with lashing out by ill will and unforgiveness,
we can choose freely the path of good will and charity/compassion for all
which brings positive results that multiply and help ourselves and all people equally.

We are designed to learn, so whatever is negative is not meant to punish
but to teach us cause and effect so we learn the consequences of our actions,
and work to improve and correct ourselves to avoid pain and suffering, and to seek
greater happiness, success and satisfaction life. Take care and thanks for sharing.

 

[Political Junky]

Some "Christians" apparently think their God wishes to inflict pain and suffering.

Dear Political Junky
Only if it is to teach people about reaping what you sow.
If we are to learn the benefit of forgiveness, and to avoid the dangers of unforgiveness,
then the sickness we wallow in, the self-destructive resentment and anger,
sometimes might have to cause undesirable suffering, like the pain of a nail in the foot,
so we seek to remove this and not live with this ill will making us sick and destroying our relations.

This is not supposed to be punishment per se.
the negative consequences are to teach us by trial and error, cause and effect,
that ill will begets ill will, suffering, unhappiness and pain
while good will attracts more positive outcomes and people in our lives.

We can either make life a heaven on earth or a hell.

We can find heavenly peace where we
choose the path of forgiveness and including and saving relations, out of "restorative justice"
and faith to correct and right the wrongs with love not fear or anger,
instead of projecting unforgiveness, rejection and cutting people off out of ill will or retribution,
that causes living hell or war destroying the human spirit and killing our humanity.

The spirit of Restorative Justice is the meaning of Christ Jesus, the embodiment of
perfect Good Will for all or God's divine will and universal love,
uniting and renewing the love of humanity, truth, justice and peace.

The opposite spirit is Retribution which is of ill will that divides and destroys.

This ill will is not to punish people, but to teach us the difference.
Since our human consciences learn by experience, then by comparing the difference
in acting out of good will and forgiveness with lashing out by ill will and unforgiveness,
we can choose freely the path of good will and charity/compassion for all
which brings positive results that multiply and help ourselves and all people equally.

We are designed to learn, so whatever is negative is not meant to punish
but to teach us cause and effect so we learn the consequences of our actions,
and work to improve and correct ourselves to avoid pain and suffering, and to seek
greater happiness, success and satisfaction life. Take care and thanks for sharing.

If you believe that shit, fine. But don't try to use it to inflict needless pain on those who don't believe your fucked up religion.

 

[Katzndogz]

Do you really trust the government to confine murder only to those wishing to end their own lives?