Texas bill would put women to death for having abortions...The GOP: So pro-life they'll kill you

[basquebromance]

if we dont execute criminals, they're not gonna execute themselves!

 

[Penelope]

I thought women controlled their bodies?

Yes they do , not the Republicans.

 

[Dragonlady]

But not horrifying enough to have outside a paywall?

But it looks like we are still winning

Only if your definition of winning is destroying the USA.

 

[initforme]

All the more reason contraception needs to be pushed big big big time. Women who don't want kids we FULLY support and understand this brave courageous decision not to have them. It's a wise one if you want to work instead. Focus on work, etc the nation supports this. But if you don't want kids then don't get pregnant.

 

[22lcidw]

But not horrifying enough to have outside a paywall?

But it looks like we are still winning

Only if your definition of winning is destroying the USA.

Please stop charging people for this. End it.

 

[Penelope]

There must be a right wing conspiracy and the drug companies are in on it, they make faulty pills on purpose.

 

[harmonica]

nothing burger --there are many dumbass bills

 

[initforme]

Nobody is against contraception

 

[hunarcy]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...g-abortions/?utm_term=.a017cc92faa2&tid=sm_tw

this is horrifying!!

From your link:

"Even some antiabortion groups, such as Texans for Life, oppose the severe changes to the state’s criminal laws."

Apparently, you've gotten your knickers in a twist about some fringe group's law that has little support.

 

[DOTR]

All the more reason contraception needs to be pushed big big big time. Women who don't want kids we FULLY support and understand this brave courageous decision not to have them. It's a wise one if you want to work instead. Focus on work, etc the nation supports this. But if you don't want kids then don't get pregnant.

If I post a chart of contraception availability...and teenaged pregnancies...and abortion...would you be surprised to see them move upwards together?

 

[initforme]

No I wouldn't.....problem is that people take risks when there is no need to and nobody believes it's not okay for a woman to have kids if she chooses not to. More women using contraception would equate to alot less unwanted babies. Win win for everyone.

 

[progressive hunter]

What the world needs is a 100% effective, easy to use birth control, either a shot, a once a year pill or something similar. If enough of us demanded it, the world could come up with it.

not sure about the 100% part but there are I think over 30 kinds available that are almost 100%,,,the problem is women wont be responsible and take them,,,

and sure a guy can wear a condom but those are way down the list on being dependable

 

[Dana7360]

I was just reading about this. The guy who introduced this bill has been married 5 times....no surprises there.

What about the men who impregnate these women? What do they get? Many insist the woman gets an abortion because they don't want to be paying child support for 18 plus years. What about them?

then maybe the women should keep their legs closed,,,

What a disgusting comment! Is that what you told every woman you wanted to have sex with? "Oh honey, I want to have sex with you, but you just need to keep your legs closed." That about right?

What about those who are raped or are the product of incest? What about those whose BC has failed?

What about the man's responsibility? There are condoms galore in every drug store and every vending machine in public bathrooms!

both ways is better than just one way,,,and sorry if stopping a heart beat defines dead then once the heart starts defines life,,just cant deny science on this one
what you claim is a legal definition kinda like slavery was once legal


as for rape and incest those are valid discussions that go above and beyond the majority of abortions,,,

The heart starts beating even before the brain starts forming so that defense is not valid.The brain makes a person human, not the heart.

And, since we're on the subject of killing already born children, what about the order in the bible to kill all of the first born sons of the Jews? These were already born boys and yet many of you here think the bible is the word of God and should be taken and followed to the letter. You're fine with that I assume.

And finally, what do you care if a woman you don't know and never will has an abortion? Will you seek her out and volunteer to adopt her baby, pay all of her medical bills, and house her all through her pregnancy?

It's easy for men to sit on their high horses and think they can dictate what a woman does with her body and medical choice, but would be screaming to high heaven if someone decided to do the same with theirs.

your opinion is noted,,,and rejected as a reason to murder an innocent baby

and as we can see I dont care about the women but the baby she wants to murder

Oh FFS! It's not a "baby" until it's born! Until then, it's first a zygote, then becomes a fetus.

And, how many of those "babies" did you volunteer to adopt?

Your babies are felines, STFU. You're like a parody of a human being. Total bullshit.

1 guy that works with me ex aborted his kid. He divorced her (for that) and now has 4 kids.

The father should have a say unless he's not around. I totally sympathize with the dude. That's fucked up.

You obviously don't get around much because there are many men who don't want the responsibility of being a father. thus the term, "dead beat dads." You know of one person, but that isn't the norm.

I belong to a woman's group and many of them have sons who they said they paid for the girl to have an abortion so it wouldn't ruin their boy's life.

I can't agree more on the deadbeat dad issue.

I used to work payroll at a large west coast home improvement chain of stores. One of my jobs was garnishments. I had 2 large file cabinets of just child support garnishments. In all those thousands of files, ONE was a woman. Only because she set up her child support as a deduction on her pay when the divorce was finalized. She never wanted to get behind in payments. All the rest of the thousands of files were men. Men who tried to get out of paying to support their own flesh and blood. Men who even denied the child was their own flesh and blood. Men who were executives who made huge amounts of money but wouldn't support their own flesh and blood.

My oldest sister's first husband even went as far as saying my sister had a miscarriage and my niece didn't exist. My sister had to go with that 3 year old "miscarriage", my niece to court to prove he was lying and had an obligation to support his own flesh and blood he denied existed. Even with the court order my sister never received a penny in child support for her child from the father of her child.

Way too many women face men who go to great lengths to deny their own flesh and blood just so they don't have to pay child support. Way too many children in America go to bed at night who have never even met their dad. Much less received even a birthday card from him. Way too many men make babies then walk away or divorce and walk away from their own flesh and blood. It's interesting that issue isn't important to the anti choice people.

This legislation has no exceptions for anything. So women will be forced to die if their pregnancy goes wrong. Rape survivors will be forced to carry to term and give birth to a rapist's child. Children who are sexually abused by relatives or friends of the family will be forced to carry pregnancies to term even if the child is too young and small to safely carry to term and give birth. Women who have miscarriages will now be investigated and probably prosecuted for miscarriages.

I don't believe any legislation like that will ever pass our courts even if it's able to pass a state legislature. All this legislation does is show normal rational people how much some conservatives hate women and want them to die. It's disgusting and people like that should never be in a position to force their views on anyone in this nation.

 

[progressive hunter]

both ways is better than just one way,,,and sorry if stopping a heart beat defines dead then once the heart starts defines life,,just cant deny science on this one
what you claim is a legal definition kinda like slavery was once legal


as for rape and incest those are valid discussions that go above and beyond the majority of abortions,,,

The heart starts beating even before the brain starts forming so that defense is not valid.The brain makes a person human, not the heart.

And, since we're on the subject of killing already born children, what about the order in the bible to kill all of the first born sons of the Jews? These were already born boys and yet many of you here think the bible is the word of God and should be taken and followed to the letter. You're fine with that I assume.

And finally, what do you care if a woman you don't know and never will has an abortion? Will you seek her out and volunteer to adopt her baby, pay all of her medical bills, and house her all through her pregnancy?

It's easy for men to sit on their high horses and think they can dictate what a woman does with her body and medical choice, but would be screaming to high heaven if someone decided to do the same with theirs.

your opinion is noted,,,and rejected as a reason to murder an innocent baby

and as we can see I dont care about the women but the baby she wants to murder

Oh FFS! It's not a "baby" until it's born! Until then, it's first a zygote, then becomes a fetus.

And, how many of those "babies" did you volunteer to adopt?

do you know the meaning of fetus??? you should look it up sometime

and I would adopt all of them but there are to many people far more qualified than me waiting to adopt,,,

Too many waiting to adopt? Then why are there thousands of kids languishing in foster homes just dying to be adopted? And what makes you so unqualified to adopt? Are you a registered sex offender? Don't have enough money to buy a kid?

Women have had to choose to have an abortion because of a debilitating defect with the fetus. These were wanted pregnancies. Should she be forced to carry it to term knowing it will die in agony after it's born? And during it's short life she will be presented with maybe a million dollar medical bill?

Finally, neither you or any other man has any right to tell a woman what she can do about a medical decision made by her and her doctor.........period!

Oh, and one more thing, all babies are so sacred unless they're brown ones born to immigrants, then they're just a burden on the country. That about right?

And it's still a fetus until it's born or able to live outside the womb, which is around 24 weeks.

again that discussion can be made if the life of either the mother or child is in danger,,but those are less than 20% of why abortions are done,,,
and I dont care about the women,,its the baby she intends on killing I have the problem with

and a fetus is still the womens child and not a mess of cells to flush down the toilet


and dont play the racist bullshit with me,, it just proves your not honest and hell bent on murdering babys for the sake of it

 

[progressive hunter]

I was just reading about this. The guy who introduced this bill has been married 5 times....no surprises there.

What about the men who impregnate these women? What do they get? Many insist the woman gets an abortion because they don't want to be paying child support for 18 plus years. What about them?

then maybe the women should keep their legs closed,,,

What a disgusting comment! Is that what you told every woman you wanted to have sex with? "Oh honey, I want to have sex with you, but you just need to keep your legs closed." That about right?

What about those who are raped or are the product of incest? What about those whose BC has failed?

What about the man's responsibility? There are condoms galore in every drug store and every vending machine in public bathrooms!

The heart starts beating even before the brain starts forming so that defense is not valid.The brain makes a person human, not the heart.

And, since we're on the subject of killing already born children, what about the order in the bible to kill all of the first born sons of the Jews? These were already born boys and yet many of you here think the bible is the word of God and should be taken and followed to the letter. You're fine with that I assume.

And finally, what do you care if a woman you don't know and never will has an abortion? Will you seek her out and volunteer to adopt her baby, pay all of her medical bills, and house her all through her pregnancy?

It's easy for men to sit on their high horses and think they can dictate what a woman does with her body and medical choice, but would be screaming to high heaven if someone decided to do the same with theirs.

your opinion is noted,,,and rejected as a reason to murder an innocent baby

and as we can see I dont care about the women but the baby she wants to murder

Oh FFS! It's not a "baby" until it's born! Until then, it's first a zygote, then becomes a fetus.

And, how many of those "babies" did you volunteer to adopt?

Your babies are felines, STFU. You're like a parody of a human being. Total bullshit.

1 guy that works with me ex aborted his kid. He divorced her (for that) and now has 4 kids.

The father should have a say unless he's not around. I totally sympathize with the dude. That's fucked up.

You obviously don't get around much because there are many men who don't want the responsibility of being a father. thus the term, "dead beat dads." You know of one person, but that isn't the norm.

I belong to a woman's group and many of them have sons who they said they paid for the girl to have an abortion so it wouldn't ruin their boy's life.

I can't agree more on the deadbeat dad issue.

I used to work payroll at a large west coast home improvement chain of stores. One of my jobs was garnishments. I had 2 large file cabinets of just child support garnishments. In all those thousands of files, ONE was a woman. Only because she set up her child support as a deduction on her pay when the divorce was finalized. She never wanted to get behind in payments. All the rest of the thousands of files were men. Men who tried to get out of paying to support their own flesh and blood. Men who even denied the child was their own flesh and blood. Men who were executives who made huge amounts of money but wouldn't support their own flesh and blood.

My oldest sister's first husband even went as far as saying my sister had a miscarriage and my niece didn't exist. My sister had to go with that 3 year old "miscarriage", my niece to court to prove he was lying and had an obligation to support his own flesh and blood he denied existed. Even with the court order my sister never received a penny in child support for her child from the father of her child.

Way too many women face men who go to great lengths to deny their own flesh and blood just so they don't have to pay child support. Way too many children in America go to bed at night who have never even met their dad. Much less received even a birthday card from him. Way too many men make babies then walk away or divorce and walk away from their own flesh and blood. It's interesting that issue isn't important to the anti choice people.

This legislation has no exceptions for anything. So women will be forced to die if their pregnancy goes wrong. Rape survivors will be forced to carry to term and give birth to a rapist's child. Children who are sexually abused by relatives or friends of the family will be forced to carry pregnancies to term even if the child is too young and small to safely carry to term and give birth. Women who have miscarriages will now be investigated and probably prosecuted for miscarriages.

I don't believe any legislation like that will ever pass our courts even if it's able to pass a state legislature. All this legislation does is show normal rational people how much some conservatives hate women and want them to die. It's disgusting and people like that should never be in a position to force their views on anyone in this nation.

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that rapist child is still her child,,,

as for the child support a ;lot of things would get solved if the man had the same rights as a women and given 9 months and 3 days to decide if he wants to be a father or not,,,equal justice and all that

 

[progressive hunter]

I was just reading about this. The guy who introduced this bill has been married 5 times....no surprises there.

What about the men who impregnate these women? What do they get? Many insist the woman gets an abortion because they don't want to be paying child support for 18 plus years. What about them?

then maybe the women should keep their legs closed,,,

What a disgusting comment! Is that what you told every woman you wanted to have sex with? "Oh honey, I want to have sex with you, but you just need to keep your legs closed." That about right?

What about those who are raped or are the product of incest? What about those whose BC has failed?

What about the man's responsibility? There are condoms galore in every drug store and every vending machine in public bathrooms!

both ways is better than just one way,,,and sorry if stopping a heart beat defines dead then once the heart starts defines life,,just cant deny science on this one
what you claim is a legal definition kinda like slavery was once legal


as for rape and incest those are valid discussions that go above and beyond the majority of abortions,,,

The heart starts beating even before the brain starts forming so that defense is not valid.The brain makes a person human, not the heart.

And, since we're on the subject of killing already born children, what about the order in the bible to kill all of the first born sons of the Jews? These were already born boys and yet many of you here think the bible is the word of God and should be taken and followed to the letter. You're fine with that I assume.

And finally, what do you care if a woman you don't know and never will has an abortion? Will you seek her out and volunteer to adopt her baby, pay all of her medical bills, and house her all through her pregnancy?

It's easy for men to sit on their high horses and think they can dictate what a woman does with her body and medical choice, but would be screaming to high heaven if someone decided to do the same with theirs.

your opinion is noted,,,and rejected as a reason to murder an innocent baby

and as we can see I dont care about the women but the baby she wants to murder

Oh FFS! It's not a "baby" until it's born! Until then, it's first a zygote, then becomes a fetus.

And, how many of those "babies" did you volunteer to adopt?

Your babies are felines, STFU. You're like a parody of a human being. Total bullshit.

1 guy that works with me ex aborted his kid. He divorced her (for that) and now has 4 kids.

The father should have a say unless he's not around. I totally sympathize with the dude. That's fucked up.

You obviously don't get around much because there are many men who don't want the responsibility of being a father. thus the term, "dead beat dads." You know of one person, but that isn't the norm.

I belong to a woman's group and many of them have sons who they said they paid for the girl to have an abortion so it wouldn't ruin their boy's life.

how many of those women are deadbeat mothers and living off of welfare???

sorry if a women or man wanted to, one person can provide for a child without outside money

 

[hunarcy]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...g-abortions/?utm_term=.a017cc92faa2&tid=sm_tw

this is horrifying!!

What did you expect? It's Texass, the most reactionary state in the union.

Horse crap. It doesn't even break the top 10. Though you're too stupid to realize it, you should have been looking at Arkansas.

 

[Marion Morrison]

I was just reading about this. The guy who introduced this bill has been married 5 times....no surprises there.

What about the men who impregnate these women? What do they get? Many insist the woman gets an abortion because they don't want to be paying child support for 18 plus years. What about them?

then maybe the women should keep their legs closed,,,

What a disgusting comment! Is that what you told every woman you wanted to have sex with? "Oh honey, I want to have sex with you, but you just need to keep your legs closed." That about right?

What about those who are raped or are the product of incest? What about those whose BC has failed?

What about the man's responsibility? There are condoms galore in every drug store and every vending machine in public bathrooms!

The heart starts beating even before the brain starts forming so that defense is not valid.The brain makes a person human, not the heart.

And, since we're on the subject of killing already born children, what about the order in the bible to kill all of the first born sons of the Jews? These were already born boys and yet many of you here think the bible is the word of God and should be taken and followed to the letter. You're fine with that I assume.

And finally, what do you care if a woman you don't know and never will has an abortion? Will you seek her out and volunteer to adopt her baby, pay all of her medical bills, and house her all through her pregnancy?

It's easy for men to sit on their high horses and think they can dictate what a woman does with her body and medical choice, but would be screaming to high heaven if someone decided to do the same with theirs.

your opinion is noted,,,and rejected as a reason to murder an innocent baby

and as we can see I dont care about the women but the baby she wants to murder

Oh FFS! It's not a "baby" until it's born! Until then, it's first a zygote, then becomes a fetus.

And, how many of those "babies" did you volunteer to adopt?

Your babies are felines, STFU. You're like a parody of a human being. Total bullshit.

1 guy that works with me ex aborted his kid. He divorced her (for that) and now has 4 kids.

The father should have a say unless he's not around. I totally sympathize with the dude. That's fucked up.

You obviously don't get around much because there are many men who don't want the responsibility of being a father. thus the term, "dead beat dads." You know of one person, but that isn't the norm.

I belong to a woman's group and many of them have sons who they said they paid for the girl to have an abortion so it wouldn't ruin their boy's life.

I can't agree more on the deadbeat dad issue.

I used to work payroll at a large west coast home improvement chain of stores. One of my jobs was garnishments. I had 2 large file cabinets of just child support garnishments. In all those thousands of files, ONE was a woman. Only because she set up her child support as a deduction on her pay when the divorce was finalized. She never wanted to get behind in payments. All the rest of the thousands of files were men. Men who tried to get out of paying to support their own flesh and blood. Men who even denied the child was their own flesh and blood. Men who were executives who made huge amounts of money but wouldn't support their own flesh and blood.

My oldest sister's first husband even went as far as saying my sister had a miscarriage and my niece didn't exist. My sister had to go with that 3 year old "miscarriage", my niece to court to prove he was lying and had an obligation to support his own flesh and blood he denied existed. Even with the court order my sister never received a penny in child support for her child from the father of her child.

Way too many women face men who go to great lengths to deny their own flesh and blood just so they don't have to pay child support. Way too many children in America go to bed at night who have never even met their dad. Much less received even a birthday card from him. Way too many men make babies then walk away or divorce and walk away from their own flesh and blood. It's interesting that issue isn't important to the anti choice people.

This legislation has no exceptions for anything. So women will be forced to die if their pregnancy goes wrong. Rape survivors will be forced to carry to term and give birth to a rapist's child. Children who are sexually abused by relatives or friends of the family will be forced to carry pregnancies to term even if the child is too young and small to safely carry to term and give birth. Women who have miscarriages will now be investigated and probably prosecuted for miscarriages.

I don't believe any legislation like that will ever pass our courts even if it's able to pass a state legislature. All this legislation does is show normal rational people how much some conservatives hate women and want them to die. It's disgusting and people like that should never be in a position to force their views on anyone in this nation.

You're fucking nuts. Oh! Both of the dumbasses agreed to kill the kid so that makes it right, right?! No! No, it does not.

What in the fucking fuck?!

Nobody takes personal responsibility anymore?!

Lemme guess, you're a child support girl with 5 different babies from 4 different baby daddies, amirite? You get WIC and SNAP and welfare, too, huh?

I know you're lying, so there's that. Slap lying, so now I'm calling you out for lying.

 

[Kittymom1026]

I was just reading about this. The guy who introduced this bill has been married 5 times....no surprises there.

What about the men who impregnate these women? What do they get? Many insist the woman gets an abortion because they don't want to be paying child support for 18 plus years. What about them?

then maybe the women should keep their legs closed,,,

What a disgusting comment! Is that what you told every woman you wanted to have sex with? "Oh honey, I want to have sex with you, but you just need to keep your legs closed." That about right?

What about those who are raped or are the product of incest? What about those whose BC has failed?

What about the man's responsibility? There are condoms galore in every drug store and every vending machine in public bathrooms!

The heart starts beating even before the brain starts forming so that defense is not valid.The brain makes a person human, not the heart.

And, since we're on the subject of killing already born children, what about the order in the bible to kill all of the first born sons of the Jews? These were already born boys and yet many of you here think the bible is the word of God and should be taken and followed to the letter. You're fine with that I assume.

And finally, what do you care if a woman you don't know and never will has an abortion? Will you seek her out and volunteer to adopt her baby, pay all of her medical bills, and house her all through her pregnancy?

It's easy for men to sit on their high horses and think they can dictate what a woman does with her body and medical choice, but would be screaming to high heaven if someone decided to do the same with theirs.

your opinion is noted,,,and rejected as a reason to murder an innocent baby

and as we can see I dont care about the women but the baby she wants to murder

Oh FFS! It's not a "baby" until it's born! Until then, it's first a zygote, then becomes a fetus.

And, how many of those "babies" did you volunteer to adopt?

Your babies are felines, STFU. You're like a parody of a human being. Total bullshit.

1 guy that works with me ex aborted his kid. He divorced her (for that) and now has 4 kids.

The father should have a say unless he's not around. I totally sympathize with the dude. That's fucked up.

You obviously don't get around much because there are many men who don't want the responsibility of being a father. thus the term, "dead beat dads." You know of one person, but that isn't the norm.

I belong to a woman's group and many of them have sons who they said they paid for the girl to have an abortion so it wouldn't ruin their boy's life.

I can't agree more on the deadbeat dad issue.

I used to work payroll at a large west coast home improvement chain of stores. One of my jobs was garnishments. I had 2 large file cabinets of just child support garnishments. In all those thousands of files, ONE was a woman. Only because she set up her child support as a deduction on her pay when the divorce was finalized. She never wanted to get behind in payments. All the rest of the thousands of files were men. Men who tried to get out of paying to support their own flesh and blood. Men who even denied the child was their own flesh and blood. Men who were executives who made huge amounts of money but wouldn't support their own flesh and blood.

My oldest sister's first husband even went as far as saying my sister had a miscarriage and my niece didn't exist. My sister had to go with that 3 year old "miscarriage", my niece to court to prove he was lying and had an obligation to support his own flesh and blood he denied existed. Even with the court order my sister never received a penny in child support for her child from the father of her child.

Way too many women face men who go to great lengths to deny their own flesh and blood just so they don't have to pay child support. Way too many children in America go to bed at night who have never even met their dad. Much less received even a birthday card from him. Way too many men make babies then walk away or divorce and walk away from their own flesh and blood. It's interesting that issue isn't important to the anti choice people.

This legislation has no exceptions for anything. So women will be forced to die if their pregnancy goes wrong. Rape survivors will be forced to carry to term and give birth to a rapist's child. Children who are sexually abused by relatives or friends of the family will be forced to carry pregnancies to term even if the child is too young and small to safely carry to term and give birth. Women who have miscarriages will now be investigated and probably prosecuted for miscarriages.

I don't believe any legislation like that will ever pass our courts even if it's able to pass a state legislature. All this legislation does is show normal rational people how much some conservatives hate women and want them to die. It's disgusting and people like that should never be in a position to force their views on anyone in this nation.

Thanks for the first hand information. There was a guy in my department who had his wages garnished for child support and he constantly moaned about it. And we made good money too. He never saw his kids, they were in Pittsburgh and he was in Winston Salem.He never talked about them or had any pictures of them either. His ex had to finally take him to court and he acted like he had been robbed.

Here's a true story.... When I was in my late teens, a friend got pregnant by her boyfriend of two years. After the baby was born, she had to take him to court for child support. He brought a couple of his friends who testified that they had also slept with her....they hadn't...but lied for their friend. This was before there was DNA testing. Anyhow, after that, the judge told all of them they would have to pay child support for the next 18 years. You've never seen walking back at such a pace in your life. The judge never changed his ruling though and even though he could have held them in contempt, I think his ruling was far better. They never expected that decision and wanted to kill the friend who was the actual father. All of us knew about it and laughed our butts off. They ended up having to pay until the kid was 18 too. She promptly dumped him after the court date and raised the baby on her own until she met a decent man and married him. She wouldn't let him adopt the child though because she still wanted to make the father pay for what he did. Poetic Justice if you ask me.

 

[progressive hunter]

then maybe the women should keep their legs closed,,,

What a disgusting comment! Is that what you told every woman you wanted to have sex with? "Oh honey, I want to have sex with you, but you just need to keep your legs closed." That about right?

What about those who are raped or are the product of incest? What about those whose BC has failed?

What about the man's responsibility? There are condoms galore in every drug store and every vending machine in public bathrooms!

your opinion is noted,,,and rejected as a reason to murder an innocent baby

and as we can see I dont care about the women but the baby she wants to murder

Oh FFS! It's not a "baby" until it's born! Until then, it's first a zygote, then becomes a fetus.

And, how many of those "babies" did you volunteer to adopt?

Your babies are felines, STFU. You're like a parody of a human being. Total bullshit.

1 guy that works with me ex aborted his kid. He divorced her (for that) and now has 4 kids.

The father should have a say unless he's not around. I totally sympathize with the dude. That's fucked up.

You obviously don't get around much because there are many men who don't want the responsibility of being a father. thus the term, "dead beat dads." You know of one person, but that isn't the norm.

I belong to a woman's group and many of them have sons who they said they paid for the girl to have an abortion so it wouldn't ruin their boy's life.

I can't agree more on the deadbeat dad issue.

I used to work payroll at a large west coast home improvement chain of stores. One of my jobs was garnishments. I had 2 large file cabinets of just child support garnishments. In all those thousands of files, ONE was a woman. Only because she set up her child support as a deduction on her pay when the divorce was finalized. She never wanted to get behind in payments. All the rest of the thousands of files were men. Men who tried to get out of paying to support their own flesh and blood. Men who even denied the child was their own flesh and blood. Men who were executives who made huge amounts of money but wouldn't support their own flesh and blood.

My oldest sister's first husband even went as far as saying my sister had a miscarriage and my niece didn't exist. My sister had to go with that 3 year old "miscarriage", my niece to court to prove he was lying and had an obligation to support his own flesh and blood he denied existed. Even with the court order my sister never received a penny in child support for her child from the father of her child.

Way too many women face men who go to great lengths to deny their own flesh and blood just so they don't have to pay child support. Way too many children in America go to bed at night who have never even met their dad. Much less received even a birthday card from him. Way too many men make babies then walk away or divorce and walk away from their own flesh and blood. It's interesting that issue isn't important to the anti choice people.

This legislation has no exceptions for anything. So women will be forced to die if their pregnancy goes wrong. Rape survivors will be forced to carry to term and give birth to a rapist's child. Children who are sexually abused by relatives or friends of the family will be forced to carry pregnancies to term even if the child is too young and small to safely carry to term and give birth. Women who have miscarriages will now be investigated and probably prosecuted for miscarriages.

I don't believe any legislation like that will ever pass our courts even if it's able to pass a state legislature. All this legislation does is show normal rational people how much some conservatives hate women and want them to die. It's disgusting and people like that should never be in a position to force their views on anyone in this nation.

Thanks for the first hand information. There was a guy in my department who had his wages garnished for child support and he constantly moaned about it. And we made good money too. He never saw his kids, they were in Pittsburgh and he was in Winston Salem.He never talked about them or had any pictures of them either. His ex had to finally take him to court and he acted like he had been robbed.

Here's a true story.... When I was in my late teens, a friend got pregnant by her boyfriend of two years. After the baby was born, she had to take him to court for child support. He brought a couple of his friends who testified that they had also slept with her....they hadn't...but lied for their friend. This was before there was DNA testing. Anyhow, after that, the judge told all of them they would have to pay child support for the next 18 years. You've never seen walking back at such a pace in your life. The judge never changed his ruling though and even though he could have held them in contempt, I think his ruling was far better. They never expected that decision and wanted to kill the friend who was the actual father. All of us knew about it and laughed our butts off. They ended up having to pay until the kid was 18 too. She promptly dumped him after the court date and raised the baby on her own until she met a decent man and married him. She wouldn't let him adopt the child though because she still wanted to make the father pay for what he did. Poetic Justice if you ask me.

he was robbed