Texas Secession resolution passes GOP committee

[Soggy in NOLA]

A good way to get a value of roads is take what it actually cost to build it and maintain it then add a certain percentage for inflation.

Viola, you have a value put on a road.

Afraid it doesn't work like that. Let's take another example......

You have a computer. Let's say you bought it for $1200. You've had it for about seven years. You had to get a few things done to maintain it. You bought anti-virus software. You took it to the repair shop a couple times, including one time you got hit with a nasty particular virus that managed to get past your Norton or McAfee or whatever. You had to replace the cooling fan. All in all, it cost you $400 in maintenance costs. That brings you up to $1600.

One day, Comcast is in your home installing your new cable. The tech is a clumsy moron and knocks over your fish tank, which then spills water all over your computer. It's ruined. The company refuses to compensate you, so you sue. When you go to court, you say you want $1600 in compensation, with the above explanation as to why the computer is valued as such.

You won't get $1600 for your computer. Sure, you may have spend that much money on it, but that doesn't mean that is not the value of the computer at the time of the incident. You had the computer for seven years and you got seven years worth of use out of it. So the value of your loss is your purchase price minus the fair use you received. Which, after seven years worth of use is probably going to be pretty low.

Real estate has market values that can be reasonably estimated for resale purposes. The same is not the same for roads. Thus, trying to determine value of highways that were constructed before most of us were born becomes exceedingly complicated.

Sure it can work that way.

You said a value can't be put on roads.

I showed you a way to put a value on the roads.

Which is what it cost to build and maintain with adding in inflation to bring the old dollar values up to current dollar value rates.

If texas wants to leave let them. We're better off without those crazy people. I just want to make sure that any and all federally owned assets are paid for or given back to the federal government.

Most can't be given back so they need to pay us taxpayers for what they keep.

Federally owned assets? When did the US government PAY for those "Federally owned assets" that you are talking about?

They're owned by the people.... why should the people have to buy their own shit back?

 

[ogibillm]

So what other motivation is there for tearing apart the nation and abandoning the constitution, literally, if not hatred for the country and the Constitution

Why don't you ask Obama? He has been doing most of that. In HIS case I would probably agree with you!

You may think so, i disagree.
But in the case of secessionists there can be no disagreement - they want to tear apart the country and abandon the constitution

 

[SwimExpert]

They're owned by the people.... why should the people have to buy their own shit back?

The people of the United States of America.

 

[bodecea]

A good way to get a value of roads is take what it actually cost to build it and maintain it then add a certain percentage for inflation.

Viola, you have a value put on a road.

Afraid it doesn't work like that. Let's take another example......

You have a computer. Let's say you bought it for $1200. You've had it for about seven years. You had to get a few things done to maintain it. You bought anti-virus software. You took it to the repair shop a couple times, including one time you got hit with a nasty particular virus that managed to get past your Norton or McAfee or whatever. You had to replace the cooling fan. All in all, it cost you $400 in maintenance costs. That brings you up to $1600.

One day, Comcast is in your home installing your new cable. The tech is a clumsy moron and knocks over your fish tank, which then spills water all over your computer. It's ruined. The company refuses to compensate you, so you sue. When you go to court, you say you want $1600 in compensation, with the above explanation as to why the computer is valued as such.

You won't get $1600 for your computer. Sure, you may have spend that much money on it, but that doesn't mean that is not the value of the computer at the time of the incident. You had the computer for seven years and you got seven years worth of use out of it. So the value of your loss is your purchase price minus the fair use you received. Which, after seven years worth of use is probably going to be pretty low.

Real estate has market values that can be reasonably estimated for resale purposes. The same is not the same for roads. Thus, trying to determine value of highways that were constructed before most of us were born becomes exceedingly complicated.

Sure it can work that way.

You said a value can't be put on roads.

I showed you a way to put a value on the roads.

Which is what it cost to build and maintain with adding in inflation to bring the old dollar values up to current dollar value rates.

If texas wants to leave let them. We're better off without those crazy people. I just want to make sure that any and all federally owned assets are paid for or given back to the federal government.

Most can't be given back so they need to pay us taxpayers for what they keep.

Federally owned assets? When did the US government PAY for those "Federally owned assets" that you are talking about?

They're owned by the people.... why should the people have to buy their own shit back?

Not just the "people" of Texas. IF they want to keep the land, they have to pay the people of the other 49 states back.

 

[bodecea]

I am going to try be serious for minute on this unserious thread.

I truly believe that if Hillary Clinton becomes president in 2017 that we will see a real secession movement, starting with Texas and Oklahoma and spreading to the southeastern and Midwestern states.

It happened to the soviet union and there is nothing to stop it from happening here.

Its not something that I want or advocate for, but the country is becoming very very divided on what the role of the federal government should be. Hillary would be a continuation of the failed Obama America-hating Marxist collectivist policies. Plus the woman is senile and angry. A country that would elect such a person does not deserve to remain whole.

This is a real danger people, do not ignore it.

Just shows how much you people hate America.

If you can't have your way you will leave.

How mature of you.

Democrats suffered through the reagan and first bush years. No one mentioned secession. We suffered through the bush boy years. No one mentioned secession. We liberals and democrats are mature people who love our nation. We will abide by what the citizens/voters of our nation choose.

Not so with you people. You can't have your way so you want to leave the union. You all sound like and behave like spoiled brat 2 year olds throwing a temper tantrum.

What are you going to do next? Hold your breath while you throw that temper tantrum?

Here's a suggestion, either get some candidates who can honestly win an election or shut up. Stop whining and grow up.

None of you people are real Americans. You only want to stay here if you have everything you want even though the majority of the people in our nation spoke at the ballot box and you lost.

You all are traitors to our nation and don't deserve to live here.

The problem is that the leaders of this country have ignored the constitution for too long and the people are fed up with it. Its not treason to expect our president and congress to follow the laws of the land. Its not treason to expect the federal government to live within its means and not put the country in staggering debt.

Its not treason to expect the president to admit who is killing us and who has declared war on us. Its not treason to speak up for our police and military. Its not treason to expect the government to enforce our borders and our immigration laws.

If you think these things are treason, then you are the ones who need to leave.

no, it's treason to try to unilaterally secede.

Yet the US REFUSED to try Jefferson Davis for that very thing....hmmmmm

They thought about it....IMO they should have done so and then hanged him......and a few other Con-federate leaders as well.

 

[boilermaker55]

Let's hope it does but they need to pay their bill first. Then bye!

Texas Secession Resolution Passes GOP Committee - Tea Party News

As nonbinding as it may be lets hope it passes the full party vote.

 

[boilermaker55]

Please make an appointment to the nearest shrink. You totally delusional.
Hopefully your family will take the necessary means to get you help.
Or better yet, take your popguns and go find a US military base and attack them.

Good . We can then invade Texas and enslave them all. Obamas plan is working perfectly ! Bwhahahhahaah!!

Would love to see the new Obama army try...faggots,men who think they are women,and literally women! Ah....nothing like a bloodbath to convince a tyrant to fuck off.

 

[Timmy]

I am going to try be serious for minute on this unserious thread.

I truly believe that if Hillary Clinton becomes president in 2017 that we will see a real secession movement, starting with Texas and Oklahoma and spreading to the southeastern and Midwestern states.

It happened to the soviet union and there is nothing to stop it from happening here.

Its not something that I want or advocate for, but the country is becoming very very divided on what the role of the federal government should be. Hillary would be a continuation of the failed Obama America-hating Marxist collectivist policies. Plus the woman is senile and angry. A country that would elect such a person does not deserve to remain whole.

This is a real danger people, do not ignore it.

Just shows how much you people hate America.

If you can't have your way you will leave.

How mature of you.

Democrats suffered through the reagan and first bush years. No one mentioned secession. We suffered through the bush boy years. No one mentioned secession. We liberals and democrats are mature people who love our nation. We will abide by what the citizens/voters of our nation choose.

Not so with you people. You can't have your way so you want to leave the union. You all sound like and behave like spoiled brat 2 year olds throwing a temper tantrum.

What are you going to do next? Hold your breath while you throw that temper tantrum?

Here's a suggestion, either get some candidates who can honestly win an election or shut up. Stop whining and grow up.

None of you people are real Americans. You only want to stay here if you have everything you want even though the majority of the people in our nation spoke at the ballot box and you lost.

You all are traitors to our nation and don't deserve to live here.

The problem is that the leaders of this country have ignored the constitution for too long and the people are fed up with it. Its not treason to expect our president and congress to follow the laws of the land. Its not treason to expect the federal government to live within its means and not put the country in staggering debt.

Its not treason to expect the president to admit who is killing us and who has declared war on us. Its not treason to speak up for our police and military. Its not treason to expect the government to enforce our borders and our immigration laws.

If you think these things are treason, then you are the ones who need to leave.

no, it's treason to try to unilaterally secede.

Yep, just as it was treason for the founders to secede from the british empire by signing the declaration of independence.

The issue of "legality" is a red herring.

Unlike the colonies, the south had voting rights and representation in government . No excuse for their treason.

 

[Preacher]

Please make an appointment to the nearest shrink. You totally delusional.
Hopefully your family will take the necessary means to get you help.
Or better yet, take your popguns and go find a US military base and attack them.

Good . We can then invade Texas and enslave them all. Obamas plan is working perfectly ! Bwhahahhahaah!!

Would love to see the new Obama army try...faggots,men who think they are women,and literally women! Ah....nothing like a bloodbath to convince a tyrant to fuck off.

Another libtard not paying attention to national politics.

 

[bodecea]

Please make an appointment to the nearest shrink. You totally delusional.
Hopefully your family will take the necessary means to get you help.
Or better yet, take your popguns and go find a US military base and attack them.

Good . We can then invade Texas and enslave them all. Obamas plan is working perfectly ! Bwhahahhahaah!!

Would love to see the new Obama army try...faggots,men who think they are women,and literally women! Ah....nothing like a bloodbath to convince a tyrant to fuck off.

Another libtard not paying attention to national politics.

Why are you still here. Secede! Get crackin'!

 

[WorldWatcher]

>

I actually wrote this for another board a couple of years ago but saved copy...


Personally I think a State can secede. Just as a prospective State has to show that they agree to join the union and then Congress must approve, the people of a State must show they desire to leave and then Congress can approve a plan to make it happen.

As the Civil War and Texas v. White showed, summary secession based on actions of the individual State only is not possible. Under Congresses authority under the United States Constitution (Article I Section 8) it is within the purview of Congress to deal with those that place themselves in a state of insurrection. Insurrection of course being act of revolt against civil authority, in this case the authority of United States government of which the State is a part. Now if a State wants to secede, they would need to pass a secession bill and then forward it to Congress. Congress then can approve or disapprove the request. If they approve (just as they have to do to admit a new State), then they have decided to allow for the peaceful transfer of the member State to the status of an independent country and no insurrection occurs.

What I’d like to see is for Congress to pass a State Secession Act of 20XX which would layout the process and codify it into law. That would define both the process and the expected outcomes of a States attempt to secede so that people voting for such secession would understand exactly what ending their relationship as part of the United States means.

Something along these lines…

***********************************************************

1. Supremacy

In accordance with the United States Constitution, Article I Section 8, the Congress is empowered to determine if a status of insurrection exists with a member state. If a State wishes to peacefully secede from the union, they may do so with a approval of the will of the American people as expressed through they duly elected representatives to Congress. As per Article IV (paragraph 2) of the United States Constitution and the laws of the United States is the supreme law of the land and supersede conflicting state laws. When there are conflicts between the provisions of this act and other federal law, then Congress establishes that this act will be valid and override subordinate law.

2. Process

If the people of a State wish to peacefully secede from the bonds established between themselves and the other peoples of the United States, they can do so under the following process. The State government must lay before the people the ability to directly vote on the question of secession through a general voting process that includes all individuals otherwise eligible to vote in federal elections. If such a vote to secede passes, then the Governor of the State will prepare and remit to the United States Congress a Notice of Intent to Secede which will include the election results and the proposed date of secession which will be no sooner than 180-days from the date the notice is delivered to Congress.

3. Citizenship

Any citizen of the State petitioning for secession will have 60-days from the Congressional notification date to determine which country they will become a citizen of. This decision will be final and irrevocable. Any individual that does not inform the United States Department of State through a process that will be define by the United State Secretary of State will retain their United States citizenship, except that, any individual registering for or participating in a government election in the new country after the date of independence, will be considered to have voluntarily revoked their United States citizenship and accepted citizenship in the new country. Any individual who voluntarily joins the Armed Forces and/or Militia of the new country will similarly be considered to have voluntarily revoked their United States Citizenship.

4. Ex-Citizens

Any individual who voluntarily revokes their citizenship to assume citizenship in the new country, either directly or through other such action as voting or becoming a part of the military of the foreign country, forfeits any and all expectations of support from the United States government to include government pensions, social security, medical benefits and all other such entitlement programs afforded to United States citizens.

5. Passports

All United States passports issued to citizens of the new country will be revoked upon the date of secession. It will be the responsibility of the new country to issue new passports and protect the interest of its citizen abroad. Citizen of the new country should not expect assistance from the United States Department of State.

6. Assumption of Debt

Any State that secedes from the union will assume a proportion of any national debt of the United States, the sum of such debt will be proportional to the percentage of the whole population of the United States and the population of the seceding State as of the date the vote was cast by the people of said State.

7. Payment of Federal Monies

Congress may take such actions as it feels needful to curb the flow and payment of federal dollars to the seceding State during the period of consideration by the Congress but that no Federal dollars for the maintenance of a State will continue upon the official date of independence. The new country thus being a foreign power from that date forward.

8. Transfer of Property (Mobile)

All property owned by the United States or is agencies (for example DOD, FBI, NASA, ATF, DEA, ICE, etc…) will be peacefully transferred back to the United States. Equipment that is not cost effective to move may be transferred to the new country with the exception for all computer system data storage devices, all law enforcement records, and any other records that Congress may declare.

9. Transfer of Property (Fixed)

All undeveloped land owned by the United States will be transferred to the new country effective the date of independence. However developed fixed properties will remain, temporarily, within the control of the United States. This period of control will not exceed one year to allow for the efficient transfer of mobile property owned by the United States back to the people of the United States.

10. Military Service

Any individual currently serving in the Armed Forces of the United States of America whose home of record was the previous State as of the date of application to Congress by the state, will be provided the opportunity to retain their United States citizenship or to select citizenship in the new country. If the individual accepts citizenship in the new country during the transition and is not under obligated service for some other reason they may, at the discretion of the Secretary of Defense, receive an administrative discharge. Persons who elect new citizenship but have obligated service due to specific training, advancement, or other DOD programs will be retained on active duty but will be reclassified as a foreign national servicing in the Armed Forces.

11. Currency

The new country will be required to create it’s own currency to guarantee their own debts. Upon the date of independence the people of the United States of America will no longer be responsible for the debt assumed by the new country.



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[boilermaker55]

Still, to those that want to secede. Shit or get off the pot.
Leave already.

>

I actually wrote this for another board a couple of years ago but saved copy...


Personally I think a State can secede. Just as a prospective State has to show that they agree to join the union and then Congress must approve, the people of a State must show they desire to leave and then Congress can approve a plan to make it happen.

As the Civil War and Texas v. White showed, summary secession based on actions of the individual State only is not possible. Under Congresses authority under the United States Constitution (Article I Section 8) it is within the purview of Congress to deal with those that place themselves in a state of insurrection. Insurrection of course being act of revolt against civil authority, in this case the authority of United States government of which the State is a part. Now if a State wants to secede, they would need to pass a secession bill and then forward it to Congress. Congress then can approve or disapprove the request. If they approve (just as they have to do to admit a new State), then they have decided to allow for the peaceful transfer of the member State to the status of an independent country and no insurrection occurs.

What I’d like to see is for Congress to pass a State Secession Act of 20XX which would layout the process and codify it into law. That would define both the process and the expected outcomes of a States attempt to secede so that people voting for such secession would understand exactly what ending their relationship as part of the United States means.

Something along these lines…

***********************************************************

1. Supremacy

In accordance with the United States Constitution, Article I Section 8, the Congress is empowered to determine if a status of insurrection exists with a member state. If a State wishes to peacefully secede from the union, they may do so with a approval of the will of the American people as expressed through they duly elected representatives to Congress. As per Article IV (paragraph 2) of the United States Constitution and the laws of the United States is the supreme law of the land and supersede conflicting state laws. When there are conflicts between the provisions of this act and other federal law, then Congress establishes that this act will be valid and override subordinate law.

2. Process

If the people of a State wish to peacefully secede from the bonds established between themselves and the other peoples of the United States, they can do so under the following process. The State government must lay before the people the ability to directly vote on the question of secession through a general voting process that includes all individuals otherwise eligible to vote in federal elections. If such a vote to secede passes, then the Governor of the State will prepare and remit to the United States Congress a Notice of Intent to Secede which will include the election results and the proposed date of secession which will be no sooner than 180-days from the date the notice is delivered to Congress.

3. Citizenship

Any citizen of the State petitioning for secession will have 60-days from the Congressional notification date to determine which country they will become a citizen of. This decision will be final and irrevocable. Any individual that does not inform the United States Department of State through a process that will be define by the United State Secretary of State will retain their United States citizenship, except that, any individual registering for or participating in a government election in the new country after the date of independence, will be considered to have voluntarily revoked their United States citizenship and accepted citizenship in the new country. Any individual who voluntarily joins the Armed Forces and/or Militia of the new country will similarly be considered to have voluntarily revoked their United States Citizenship.

4. Ex-Citizens

Any individual who voluntarily revokes their citizenship to assume citizenship in the new country, either directly or through other such action as voting or becoming a part of the military of the foreign country, forfeits any and all expectations of support from the United States government to include government pensions, social security, medical benefits and all other such entitlement programs afforded to United States citizens.

5. Passports

All United States passports issued to citizens of the new country will be revoked upon the date of secession. It will be the responsibility of the new country to issue new passports and protect the interest of its citizen abroad. Citizen of the new country should not expect assistance from the United States Department of State.

6. Assumption of Debt

Any State that secedes from the union will assume a proportion of any national debt of the United States, the sum of such debt will be proportional to the percentage of the whole population of the United States and the population of the seceding State as of the date the vote was cast by the people of said State.

7. Payment of Federal Monies

Congress may take such actions as it feels needful to curb the flow and payment of federal dollars to the seceding State during the period of consideration by the Congress but that no Federal dollars for the maintenance of a State will continue upon the official date of independence. The new country thus being a foreign power from that date forward.

8. Transfer of Property (Mobile)

All property owned by the United States or is agencies (for example DOD, FBI, NASA, ATF, DEA, ICE, etc…) will be peacefully transferred back to the United States. Equipment that is not cost effective to move may be transferred to the new country with the exception for all computer system data storage devices, all law enforcement records, and any other records that Congress may declare.

9. Transfer of Property (Fixed)

All undeveloped land owned by the United States will be transferred to the new country effective the date of independence. However developed fixed properties will remain, temporarily, within the control of the United States. This period of control will not exceed one year to allow for the efficient transfer of mobile property owned by the United States back to the people of the United States.

10. Military Service

Any individual currently serving in the Armed Forces of the United States of America whose home of record was the previous State as of the date of application to Congress by the state, will be provided the opportunity to retain their United States citizenship or to select citizenship in the new country. If the individual accepts citizenship in the new country during the transition and is not under obligated service for some other reason they may, at the discretion of the Secretary of Defense, receive an administrative discharge. Persons who elect new citizenship but have obligated service due to specific training, advancement, or other DOD programs will be retained on active duty but will be reclassified as a foreign national servicing in the Armed Forces.

11. Currency

The new country will be required to create it’s own currency to guarantee their own debts. Upon the date of independence the people of the United States of America will no longer be responsible for the debt assumed by the new country.



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[ogibillm]

Still, to those that want to secede. Shit or get off the pot.
Leave already.

>

I actually wrote this for another board a couple of years ago but saved copy...


Personally I think a State can secede. Just as a prospective State has to show that they agree to join the union and then Congress must approve, the people of a State must show they desire to leave and then Congress can approve a plan to make it happen.

As the Civil War and Texas v. White showed, summary secession based on actions of the individual State only is not possible. Under Congresses authority under the United States Constitution (Article I Section 8) it is within the purview of Congress to deal with those that place themselves in a state of insurrection. Insurrection of course being act of revolt against civil authority, in this case the authority of United States government of which the State is a part. Now if a State wants to secede, they would need to pass a secession bill and then forward it to Congress. Congress then can approve or disapprove the request. If they approve (just as they have to do to admit a new State), then they have decided to allow for the peaceful transfer of the member State to the status of an independent country and no insurrection occurs.

What I’d like to see is for Congress to pass a State Secession Act of 20XX which would layout the process and codify it into law. That would define both the process and the expected outcomes of a States attempt to secede so that people voting for such secession would understand exactly what ending their relationship as part of the United States means.

Something along these lines…

***********************************************************

1. Supremacy

In accordance with the United States Constitution, Article I Section 8, the Congress is empowered to determine if a status of insurrection exists with a member state. If a State wishes to peacefully secede from the union, they may do so with a approval of the will of the American people as expressed through they duly elected representatives to Congress. As per Article IV (paragraph 2) of the United States Constitution and the laws of the United States is the supreme law of the land and supersede conflicting state laws. When there are conflicts between the provisions of this act and other federal law, then Congress establishes that this act will be valid and override subordinate law.

2. Process

If the people of a State wish to peacefully secede from the bonds established between themselves and the other peoples of the United States, they can do so under the following process. The State government must lay before the people the ability to directly vote on the question of secession through a general voting process that includes all individuals otherwise eligible to vote in federal elections. If such a vote to secede passes, then the Governor of the State will prepare and remit to the United States Congress a Notice of Intent to Secede which will include the election results and the proposed date of secession which will be no sooner than 180-days from the date the notice is delivered to Congress.

3. Citizenship

Any citizen of the State petitioning for secession will have 60-days from the Congressional notification date to determine which country they will become a citizen of. This decision will be final and irrevocable. Any individual that does not inform the United States Department of State through a process that will be define by the United State Secretary of State will retain their United States citizenship, except that, any individual registering for or participating in a government election in the new country after the date of independence, will be considered to have voluntarily revoked their United States citizenship and accepted citizenship in the new country. Any individual who voluntarily joins the Armed Forces and/or Militia of the new country will similarly be considered to have voluntarily revoked their United States Citizenship.

4. Ex-Citizens

Any individual who voluntarily revokes their citizenship to assume citizenship in the new country, either directly or through other such action as voting or becoming a part of the military of the foreign country, forfeits any and all expectations of support from the United States government to include government pensions, social security, medical benefits and all other such entitlement programs afforded to United States citizens.

5. Passports

All United States passports issued to citizens of the new country will be revoked upon the date of secession. It will be the responsibility of the new country to issue new passports and protect the interest of its citizen abroad. Citizen of the new country should not expect assistance from the United States Department of State.

6. Assumption of Debt

Any State that secedes from the union will assume a proportion of any national debt of the United States, the sum of such debt will be proportional to the percentage of the whole population of the United States and the population of the seceding State as of the date the vote was cast by the people of said State.

7. Payment of Federal Monies

Congress may take such actions as it feels needful to curb the flow and payment of federal dollars to the seceding State during the period of consideration by the Congress but that no Federal dollars for the maintenance of a State will continue upon the official date of independence. The new country thus being a foreign power from that date forward.

8. Transfer of Property (Mobile)

All property owned by the United States or is agencies (for example DOD, FBI, NASA, ATF, DEA, ICE, etc…) will be peacefully transferred back to the United States. Equipment that is not cost effective to move may be transferred to the new country with the exception for all computer system data storage devices, all law enforcement records, and any other records that Congress may declare.

9. Transfer of Property (Fixed)

All undeveloped land owned by the United States will be transferred to the new country effective the date of independence. However developed fixed properties will remain, temporarily, within the control of the United States. This period of control will not exceed one year to allow for the efficient transfer of mobile property owned by the United States back to the people of the United States.

10. Military Service

Any individual currently serving in the Armed Forces of the United States of America whose home of record was the previous State as of the date of application to Congress by the state, will be provided the opportunity to retain their United States citizenship or to select citizenship in the new country. If the individual accepts citizenship in the new country during the transition and is not under obligated service for some other reason they may, at the discretion of the Secretary of Defense, receive an administrative discharge. Persons who elect new citizenship but have obligated service due to specific training, advancement, or other DOD programs will be retained on active duty but will be reclassified as a foreign national servicing in the Armed Forces.

11. Currency

The new country will be required to create it’s own currency to guarantee their own debts. Upon the date of independence the people of the United States of America will no longer be responsible for the debt assumed by the new country.



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These traitors are big on talk and small on action

 

[SuperDemocrat]

Texas Secession Resolution Passes GOP Committee - Tea Party News

As nonbinding as it may be lets hope it passes the full party vote.

I wouldn't mind leaving this country. It isn't the same place it once was.

 

[Nosmo King]

Never going to happen and I live in Texas.

The minority White Community that still hold onto it WASP vision of a nation will find out quickly the Minority-Majority would reject the idea, an leave the Tea Party nutter with their dick in their hand.

President Obama will leave office in almost a year, and a GOP will be sworn in, so this talk of leaving the Union will go away for nine years until the next Democrat is sworn in.

Yet Texas has a republican governor and tea party darling as Lt Gov. Hmm

Good . We can then invade Texas and enslave them all. Obamas plan is working perfectly ! Bwhahahhahaah!!

Would love to see the new Obama army try...faggots,men who think they are women,and literally women! Ah....nothing like a bloodbath to convince a tyrant to fuck off.

Your world is like a bad movie.

Not paying attention are you? There were already faggots in the military,there are transgenders as well maybe not as open....oh and they just announced ALL combat jobs will be opened to women in the military.

And that is a problem? Knuckle draggers will always find something to complain about.

Missing my point numb nuts. Continue thinking with your ass cultural marxist.

You so eloquently complained of "faggots", trans genders and women in the military. I'm curious what problem you have with that. But you most likely have a general complaint about "faggots", trans genders and women. It also seems as if you might have problems with other confusing aspects of modern society. It's common among those who failed to develop critical thinking skills or never got out much to see the wider world. Are you geographically isolated as well as culturally isolated?

 

[Redfish]

Still, to those that want to secede. Shit or get off the pot.
Leave already.

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I actually wrote this for another board a couple of years ago but saved copy...


Personally I think a State can secede. Just as a prospective State has to show that they agree to join the union and then Congress must approve, the people of a State must show they desire to leave and then Congress can approve a plan to make it happen.

As the Civil War and Texas v. White showed, summary secession based on actions of the individual State only is not possible. Under Congresses authority under the United States Constitution (Article I Section 8) it is within the purview of Congress to deal with those that place themselves in a state of insurrection. Insurrection of course being act of revolt against civil authority, in this case the authority of United States government of which the State is a part. Now if a State wants to secede, they would need to pass a secession bill and then forward it to Congress. Congress then can approve or disapprove the request. If they approve (just as they have to do to admit a new State), then they have decided to allow for the peaceful transfer of the member State to the status of an independent country and no insurrection occurs.

What I’d like to see is for Congress to pass a State Secession Act of 20XX which would layout the process and codify it into law. That would define both the process and the expected outcomes of a States attempt to secede so that people voting for such secession would understand exactly what ending their relationship as part of the United States means.

Something along these lines…

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1. Supremacy

In accordance with the United States Constitution, Article I Section 8, the Congress is empowered to determine if a status of insurrection exists with a member state. If a State wishes to peacefully secede from the union, they may do so with a approval of the will of the American people as expressed through they duly elected representatives to Congress. As per Article IV (paragraph 2) of the United States Constitution and the laws of the United States is the supreme law of the land and supersede conflicting state laws. When there are conflicts between the provisions of this act and other federal law, then Congress establishes that this act will be valid and override subordinate law.

2. Process

If the people of a State wish to peacefully secede from the bonds established between themselves and the other peoples of the United States, they can do so under the following process. The State government must lay before the people the ability to directly vote on the question of secession through a general voting process that includes all individuals otherwise eligible to vote in federal elections. If such a vote to secede passes, then the Governor of the State will prepare and remit to the United States Congress a Notice of Intent to Secede which will include the election results and the proposed date of secession which will be no sooner than 180-days from the date the notice is delivered to Congress.

3. Citizenship

Any citizen of the State petitioning for secession will have 60-days from the Congressional notification date to determine which country they will become a citizen of. This decision will be final and irrevocable. Any individual that does not inform the United States Department of State through a process that will be define by the United State Secretary of State will retain their United States citizenship, except that, any individual registering for or participating in a government election in the new country after the date of independence, will be considered to have voluntarily revoked their United States citizenship and accepted citizenship in the new country. Any individual who voluntarily joins the Armed Forces and/or Militia of the new country will similarly be considered to have voluntarily revoked their United States Citizenship.

4. Ex-Citizens

Any individual who voluntarily revokes their citizenship to assume citizenship in the new country, either directly or through other such action as voting or becoming a part of the military of the foreign country, forfeits any and all expectations of support from the United States government to include government pensions, social security, medical benefits and all other such entitlement programs afforded to United States citizens.

5. Passports

All United States passports issued to citizens of the new country will be revoked upon the date of secession. It will be the responsibility of the new country to issue new passports and protect the interest of its citizen abroad. Citizen of the new country should not expect assistance from the United States Department of State.

6. Assumption of Debt

Any State that secedes from the union will assume a proportion of any national debt of the United States, the sum of such debt will be proportional to the percentage of the whole population of the United States and the population of the seceding State as of the date the vote was cast by the people of said State.

7. Payment of Federal Monies

Congress may take such actions as it feels needful to curb the flow and payment of federal dollars to the seceding State during the period of consideration by the Congress but that no Federal dollars for the maintenance of a State will continue upon the official date of independence. The new country thus being a foreign power from that date forward.

8. Transfer of Property (Mobile)

All property owned by the United States or is agencies (for example DOD, FBI, NASA, ATF, DEA, ICE, etc…) will be peacefully transferred back to the United States. Equipment that is not cost effective to move may be transferred to the new country with the exception for all computer system data storage devices, all law enforcement records, and any other records that Congress may declare.

9. Transfer of Property (Fixed)

All undeveloped land owned by the United States will be transferred to the new country effective the date of independence. However developed fixed properties will remain, temporarily, within the control of the United States. This period of control will not exceed one year to allow for the efficient transfer of mobile property owned by the United States back to the people of the United States.

10. Military Service

Any individual currently serving in the Armed Forces of the United States of America whose home of record was the previous State as of the date of application to Congress by the state, will be provided the opportunity to retain their United States citizenship or to select citizenship in the new country. If the individual accepts citizenship in the new country during the transition and is not under obligated service for some other reason they may, at the discretion of the Secretary of Defense, receive an administrative discharge. Persons who elect new citizenship but have obligated service due to specific training, advancement, or other DOD programs will be retained on active duty but will be reclassified as a foreign national servicing in the Armed Forces.

11. Currency

The new country will be required to create it’s own currency to guarantee their own debts. Upon the date of independence the people of the United States of America will no longer be responsible for the debt assumed by the new country.



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Still, to those that want to secede. Shit or get off the pot.
Leave already.

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I actually wrote this for another board a couple of years ago but saved copy...


Personally I think a State can secede. Just as a prospective State has to show that they agree to join the union and then Congress must approve, the people of a State must show they desire to leave and then Congress can approve a plan to make it happen.

As the Civil War and Texas v. White showed, summary secession based on actions of the individual State only is not possible. Under Congresses authority under the United States Constitution (Article I Section 8) it is within the purview of Congress to deal with those that place themselves in a state of insurrection. Insurrection of course being act of revolt against civil authority, in this case the authority of United States government of which the State is a part. Now if a State wants to secede, they would need to pass a secession bill and then forward it to Congress. Congress then can approve or disapprove the request. If they approve (just as they have to do to admit a new State), then they have decided to allow for the peaceful transfer of the member State to the status of an independent country and no insurrection occurs.

What I’d like to see is for Congress to pass a State Secession Act of 20XX which would layout the process and codify it into law. That would define both the process and the expected outcomes of a States attempt to secede so that people voting for such secession would understand exactly what ending their relationship as part of the United States means.

Something along these lines…

***********************************************************

1. Supremacy

In accordance with the United States Constitution, Article I Section 8, the Congress is empowered to determine if a status of insurrection exists with a member state. If a State wishes to peacefully secede from the union, they may do so with a approval of the will of the American people as expressed through they duly elected representatives to Congress. As per Article IV (paragraph 2) of the United States Constitution and the laws of the United States is the supreme law of the land and supersede conflicting state laws. When there are conflicts between the provisions of this act and other federal law, then Congress establishes that this act will be valid and override subordinate law.

2. Process

If the people of a State wish to peacefully secede from the bonds established between themselves and the other peoples of the United States, they can do so under the following process. The State government must lay before the people the ability to directly vote on the question of secession through a general voting process that includes all individuals otherwise eligible to vote in federal elections. If such a vote to secede passes, then the Governor of the State will prepare and remit to the United States Congress a Notice of Intent to Secede which will include the election results and the proposed date of secession which will be no sooner than 180-days from the date the notice is delivered to Congress.

3. Citizenship

Any citizen of the State petitioning for secession will have 60-days from the Congressional notification date to determine which country they will become a citizen of. This decision will be final and irrevocable. Any individual that does not inform the United States Department of State through a process that will be define by the United State Secretary of State will retain their United States citizenship, except that, any individual registering for or participating in a government election in the new country after the date of independence, will be considered to have voluntarily revoked their United States citizenship and accepted citizenship in the new country. Any individual who voluntarily joins the Armed Forces and/or Militia of the new country will similarly be considered to have voluntarily revoked their United States Citizenship.

4. Ex-Citizens

Any individual who voluntarily revokes their citizenship to assume citizenship in the new country, either directly or through other such action as voting or becoming a part of the military of the foreign country, forfeits any and all expectations of support from the United States government to include government pensions, social security, medical benefits and all other such entitlement programs afforded to United States citizens.

5. Passports

All United States passports issued to citizens of the new country will be revoked upon the date of secession. It will be the responsibility of the new country to issue new passports and protect the interest of its citizen abroad. Citizen of the new country should not expect assistance from the United States Department of State.

6. Assumption of Debt

Any State that secedes from the union will assume a proportion of any national debt of the United States, the sum of such debt will be proportional to the percentage of the whole population of the United States and the population of the seceding State as of the date the vote was cast by the people of said State.

7. Payment of Federal Monies

Congress may take such actions as it feels needful to curb the flow and payment of federal dollars to the seceding State during the period of consideration by the Congress but that no Federal dollars for the maintenance of a State will continue upon the official date of independence. The new country thus being a foreign power from that date forward.

8. Transfer of Property (Mobile)

All property owned by the United States or is agencies (for example DOD, FBI, NASA, ATF, DEA, ICE, etc…) will be peacefully transferred back to the United States. Equipment that is not cost effective to move may be transferred to the new country with the exception for all computer system data storage devices, all law enforcement records, and any other records that Congress may declare.

9. Transfer of Property (Fixed)

All undeveloped land owned by the United States will be transferred to the new country effective the date of independence. However developed fixed properties will remain, temporarily, within the control of the United States. This period of control will not exceed one year to allow for the efficient transfer of mobile property owned by the United States back to the people of the United States.

10. Military Service

Any individual currently serving in the Armed Forces of the United States of America whose home of record was the previous State as of the date of application to Congress by the state, will be provided the opportunity to retain their United States citizenship or to select citizenship in the new country. If the individual accepts citizenship in the new country during the transition and is not under obligated service for some other reason they may, at the discretion of the Secretary of Defense, receive an administrative discharge. Persons who elect new citizenship but have obligated service due to specific training, advancement, or other DOD programs will be retained on active duty but will be reclassified as a foreign national servicing in the Armed Forces.

11. Currency

The new country will be required to create it’s own currency to guarantee their own debts. Upon the date of independence the people of the United States of America will no longer be responsible for the debt assumed by the new country.



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the truth is that the left wing of the country and the government have already seceded from the constitutional USA.

The USA will be preserved by those states who choose to remain loyal to the constitution.

 

[ogibillm]

The USA will be preserved by those states who choose to remain loyal to the constitution.

So then you are against the secessionists?

 

[Redfish]

The USA will be preserved by those states who choose to remain loyal to the constitution.

So then you are against the secessionists?

you missed my point, the secessionists have already seceded. they are the democrats and the Obama administration.

 

[ogibillm]

The USA will be preserved by those states who choose to remain loyal to the constitution.

So then you are against the secessionists?

you missed my point, the secessionists have already seceded. they are the democrats and the Obama administration.

Lol. You don't get to just change the meaning of words.

The secessionists are those looking to abandon the constitution and the united states. They are the ones pushing it in texas.

Are you against them?

 

[boilermaker55]

You puppet!

The USA will be preserved by those states who choose to remain loyal to the constitution.

So then you are against the secessionists?

you missed my point, the secessionists have already seceded. they are the democrats and the Obama administration.