Texas Secession resolution passes GOP committee

[Dana7360]

Liberals only care about so-called waste when it goes against their agenda.

Good for them. I am opposed to waste regardless of what party is pissing away of dollars.

I see. And what is your party, and who do you endorse for president?

Libertarian. I am partial to Paul but at the moment I am undecided.

rand paul is a republican.

So if you vote for him you're voting for a republican.

Why not vote for the libertarian candidate since you claim to be a libertarian?

Libertarians put a presidential candidate every 4 years. If you're honestly a libertarian then you would vote for that candidate.

You're not a real libertarian, you're a republican. As evidenced by your choice of candidates who is, always has been and always will be a republican.

I vote for candidates that mostly match my views, regardless of party. Gary Johnson fit that mold so I voted for him last election. I still don't know whom I am supporting this time around but it is very likely I'll go third party again.

Oh, and you don't get to decide what is or what isn't a real libertarian.

If you're a libertarian then you would vote for the libertarian candidate.

If you vote for a republican candidate then you really should choose to be an Independent.

I've been a registered Independent since 1978. I vote for the person who is closest to my views and I believe can win.

I don't claim any party then go out and support those candidates of that party while claiming to be a member of a different party.

You vote for whoever you want but your posts that I responded to clearly shows that you were a republican at one time and it was probably the bush boy who made you want to leave the party.

A lot of republicans left the party starting in 2008. They went to the libertarian and independent parties but their votes never changed. They continued to vote republican.

Just like you.

 

[ogibillm]

Just shows how much you people hate America.

No, it shows how much people hate the admitted Communist-tutored, Socialist-studied, racist hate-spewing anti-American pastor-mentored, domestic terrorist-befriending, Mexican Drug Cartel/Islamic Extremist-arming/aiding, lying President and the historically documented / proven lying, un-ethical, self-serving, national-security jeopardizing, failed Hillary Clinton. It shows the recognition of their lies, corruption, anti-American, failed political acts that have been detrimental to this country and has failed to prevent repeated successful terrorist attacks on this nation's soil and the ability to keep Americans safe. It shows they do not share the same view as you, and it shows your intolerance for anyone with a different view with you.

When your own government blames a film maker for what they KNOW is / was a terrorist attack and threatens to arrest him for exercising his Constitutional Right to Freedom of Speech instead of going after (instead protecting) the terrorists who did it... When your government comes out and threatens American citizens with being arrested and jailed for exercising their Constitutional Rights to free speech after a terrorist attack to protect Islam and Muslim Extremists WHILE praising and ignoring a racist hate group's call for the murder of all white people and cops....

...and YOU attack the people who are pointing this out and pondering what to do about it by declaring THEY hate their country?! You just might have things backwards....it seems - SEEMS - you may be protecting / defending the people who really do hate this country.

whatever. support the traitors if you want in their hatred of the united states.

 

[Redfish]

I am going to try be serious for minute on this unserious thread.

I truly believe that if Hillary Clinton becomes president in 2017 that we will see a real secession movement, starting with Texas and Oklahoma and spreading to the southeastern and Midwestern states.

It happened to the soviet union and there is nothing to stop it from happening here.

Its not something that I want or advocate for, but the country is becoming very very divided on what the role of the federal government should be. Hillary would be a continuation of the failed Obama America-hating Marxist collectivist policies. Plus the woman is senile and angry. A country that would elect such a person does not deserve to remain whole.

This is a real danger people, do not ignore it.

Just shows how much you people hate America.

If you can't have your way you will leave.

How mature of you.

Democrats suffered through the reagan and first bush years. No one mentioned secession. We suffered through the bush boy years. No one mentioned secession. We liberals and democrats are mature people who love our nation. We will abide by what the citizens/voters of our nation choose.

Not so with you people. You can't have your way so you want to leave the union. You all sound like and behave like spoiled brat 2 year olds throwing a temper tantrum.

What are you going to do next? Hold your breath while you throw that temper tantrum?

Here's a suggestion, either get some candidates who can honestly win an election or shut up. Stop whining and grow up.

None of you people are real Americans. You only want to stay here if you have everything you want even though the majority of the people in our nation spoke at the ballot box and you lost.

You all are traitors to our nation and don't deserve to live here.

The problem is that the leaders of this country have ignored the constitution for too long and the people are fed up with it. Its not treason to expect our president and congress to follow the laws of the land. Its not treason to expect the federal government to live within its means and not put the country in staggering debt.

Its not treason to expect the president to admit who is killing us and who has declared war on us. Its not treason to speak up for our police and military. Its not treason to expect the government to enforce our borders and our immigration laws.

If you think these things are treason, then you are the ones who need to leave.

 

[Redfish]

Just shows how much you people hate America.

No, it shows how much people hate the admitted Communist-tutored, Socialist-studied, racist hate-spewing anti-American pastor-mentored, domestic terrorist-befriending, Mexican Drug Cartel/Islamic Extremist-arming/aiding, lying President and the historically documented / proven lying, un-ethical, self-serving, national-security jeopardizing, failed Hillary Clinton. It shows the recognition of their lies, corruption, anti-American, failed political acts that have been detrimental to this country and has failed to prevent repeated successful terrorist attacks on this nation's soil and the ability to keep Americans safe. It shows they do not share the same view as you, and it shows your intolerance for anyone with a different view with you.

When your own government blames a film maker for what they KNOW is / was a terrorist attack and threatens to arrest him for exercising his Constitutional Right to Freedom of Speech instead of going after (instead protecting) the terrorists who did it... When your government comes out and threatens American citizens with being arrested and jailed for exercising their Constitutional Rights to free speech after a terrorist attack to protect Islam and Muslim Extremists WHILE praising and ignoring a racist hate group's call for the murder of all white people and cops....

...and YOU attack the people who are pointing this out and pondering what to do about it by declaring THEY hate their country?! You just might have things backwards....it seems - SEEMS - you may be protecting / defending the people who really do hate this country.

whatever. support the traitors if you want in their hatred of the united states.

No one hates the USA as much as the Obamas and their cronies.

 

[ogibillm]

I am going to try be serious for minute on this unserious thread.

I truly believe that if Hillary Clinton becomes president in 2017 that we will see a real secession movement, starting with Texas and Oklahoma and spreading to the southeastern and Midwestern states.

It happened to the soviet union and there is nothing to stop it from happening here.

Its not something that I want or advocate for, but the country is becoming very very divided on what the role of the federal government should be. Hillary would be a continuation of the failed Obama America-hating Marxist collectivist policies. Plus the woman is senile and angry. A country that would elect such a person does not deserve to remain whole.

This is a real danger people, do not ignore it.

Just shows how much you people hate America.

If you can't have your way you will leave.

How mature of you.

Democrats suffered through the reagan and first bush years. No one mentioned secession. We suffered through the bush boy years. No one mentioned secession. We liberals and democrats are mature people who love our nation. We will abide by what the citizens/voters of our nation choose.

Not so with you people. You can't have your way so you want to leave the union. You all sound like and behave like spoiled brat 2 year olds throwing a temper tantrum.

What are you going to do next? Hold your breath while you throw that temper tantrum?

Here's a suggestion, either get some candidates who can honestly win an election or shut up. Stop whining and grow up.

None of you people are real Americans. You only want to stay here if you have everything you want even though the majority of the people in our nation spoke at the ballot box and you lost.

You all are traitors to our nation and don't deserve to live here.

The problem is that the leaders of this country have ignored the constitution for too long and the people are fed up with it. Its not treason to expect our president and congress to follow the laws of the land. Its not treason to expect the federal government to live within its means and not put the country in staggering debt.

Its not treason to expect the president to admit who is killing us and who has declared war on us. Its not treason to speak up for our police and military. Its not treason to expect the government to enforce our borders and our immigration laws.

If you think these things are treason, then you are the ones who need to leave.

no, it's treason to try to unilaterally secede.

 

[Dana7360]

I wouldn't stop at their public debt.

I would also require them to pay for any federally owned and paid for property/infrastructure by public tax dollars to be paid for in full by Texas.

If they keep federally paid for property they owe America a fair market value of that property.

Property, yes. Federally owned buildings and lands should be paid for. But federally funded infrastructure basically comes down to interstate highways, and that is getting too complicated. The highways are there. They are currently maintained by federal funding, and that would end of course. But trying to fix a fair value for the purchase of a long extant highway is probably next to impossible.

A good way to get a value of roads is take what it actually cost to build it and maintain it then add a certain percentage for inflation.

Viola, you have a value put on a road.

 

[ogibillm]

Just shows how much you people hate America.

No, it shows how much people hate the admitted Communist-tutored, Socialist-studied, racist hate-spewing anti-American pastor-mentored, domestic terrorist-befriending, Mexican Drug Cartel/Islamic Extremist-arming/aiding, lying President and the historically documented / proven lying, un-ethical, self-serving, national-security jeopardizing, failed Hillary Clinton. It shows the recognition of their lies, corruption, anti-American, failed political acts that have been detrimental to this country and has failed to prevent repeated successful terrorist attacks on this nation's soil and the ability to keep Americans safe. It shows they do not share the same view as you, and it shows your intolerance for anyone with a different view with you.

When your own government blames a film maker for what they KNOW is / was a terrorist attack and threatens to arrest him for exercising his Constitutional Right to Freedom of Speech instead of going after (instead protecting) the terrorists who did it... When your government comes out and threatens American citizens with being arrested and jailed for exercising their Constitutional Rights to free speech after a terrorist attack to protect Islam and Muslim Extremists WHILE praising and ignoring a racist hate group's call for the murder of all white people and cops....

...and YOU attack the people who are pointing this out and pondering what to do about it by declaring THEY hate their country?! You just might have things backwards....it seems - SEEMS - you may be protecting / defending the people who really do hate this country.

whatever. support the traitors if you want in their hatred of the united states.

No one hates the USA as much as the Obamas and their cronies.

really? are you trying to say that the people voting to leave the country are doing so out of love?

 

[Redfish]

I am going to try be serious for minute on this unserious thread.

I truly believe that if Hillary Clinton becomes president in 2017 that we will see a real secession movement, starting with Texas and Oklahoma and spreading to the southeastern and Midwestern states.

It happened to the soviet union and there is nothing to stop it from happening here.

Its not something that I want or advocate for, but the country is becoming very very divided on what the role of the federal government should be. Hillary would be a continuation of the failed Obama America-hating Marxist collectivist policies. Plus the woman is senile and angry. A country that would elect such a person does not deserve to remain whole.

This is a real danger people, do not ignore it.

For those of you who think this if funny, watch what happens if another liberal democrat socialist is elected president.

more economic growth and a falling unemployment rate?

Uhhh, like under Obama? you left out 10 trillion in new debt.

 

[SwimExpert]

They get no help from the federal government on border security, how that working for them??

So with no federal revenue at all, they can shunt all their revenue into building the Wall and rounding up immigrants instead of educating their kids and maintaining their infrastructure. Within 10 years they'll be a Third World country begging to be taken back in.

Like after 10 years of being a Republic they begged to be annexed to the US because they were broke.

Broke, and facing imminent conquest by Mexico.

 

[Redfish]

Just shows how much you people hate America.

No, it shows how much people hate the admitted Communist-tutored, Socialist-studied, racist hate-spewing anti-American pastor-mentored, domestic terrorist-befriending, Mexican Drug Cartel/Islamic Extremist-arming/aiding, lying President and the historically documented / proven lying, un-ethical, self-serving, national-security jeopardizing, failed Hillary Clinton. It shows the recognition of their lies, corruption, anti-American, failed political acts that have been detrimental to this country and has failed to prevent repeated successful terrorist attacks on this nation's soil and the ability to keep Americans safe. It shows they do not share the same view as you, and it shows your intolerance for anyone with a different view with you.

When your own government blames a film maker for what they KNOW is / was a terrorist attack and threatens to arrest him for exercising his Constitutional Right to Freedom of Speech instead of going after (instead protecting) the terrorists who did it... When your government comes out and threatens American citizens with being arrested and jailed for exercising their Constitutional Rights to free speech after a terrorist attack to protect Islam and Muslim Extremists WHILE praising and ignoring a racist hate group's call for the murder of all white people and cops....

...and YOU attack the people who are pointing this out and pondering what to do about it by declaring THEY hate their country?! You just might have things backwards....it seems - SEEMS - you may be protecting / defending the people who really do hate this country.

whatever. support the traitors if you want in their hatred of the united states.

No one hates the USA as much as the Obamas and their cronies.

really? are you trying to say that the people voting to leave the country are doing so out of love?

the current liberal progressive view of the USA is not constitutional. Its the libs who have deserted the country.

BTW, no one has voted to leave the country. Secession has been an option since 1776.

I don't realistically seeing it happen, but more that half of America is fed up with failed liberal ideology.

 

[Redfish]

I am going to try be serious for minute on this unserious thread.

I truly believe that if Hillary Clinton becomes president in 2017 that we will see a real secession movement, starting with Texas and Oklahoma and spreading to the southeastern and Midwestern states.

It happened to the soviet union and there is nothing to stop it from happening here.

Its not something that I want or advocate for, but the country is becoming very very divided on what the role of the federal government should be. Hillary would be a continuation of the failed Obama America-hating Marxist collectivist policies. Plus the woman is senile and angry. A country that would elect such a person does not deserve to remain whole.

This is a real danger people, do not ignore it.

Just shows how much you people hate America.

If you can't have your way you will leave.

How mature of you.

Democrats suffered through the reagan and first bush years. No one mentioned secession. We suffered through the bush boy years. No one mentioned secession. We liberals and democrats are mature people who love our nation. We will abide by what the citizens/voters of our nation choose.

Not so with you people. You can't have your way so you want to leave the union. You all sound like and behave like spoiled brat 2 year olds throwing a temper tantrum.

What are you going to do next? Hold your breath while you throw that temper tantrum?

Here's a suggestion, either get some candidates who can honestly win an election or shut up. Stop whining and grow up.

None of you people are real Americans. You only want to stay here if you have everything you want even though the majority of the people in our nation spoke at the ballot box and you lost.

You all are traitors to our nation and don't deserve to live here.

The problem is that the leaders of this country have ignored the constitution for too long and the people are fed up with it. Its not treason to expect our president and congress to follow the laws of the land. Its not treason to expect the federal government to live within its means and not put the country in staggering debt.

Its not treason to expect the president to admit who is killing us and who has declared war on us. Its not treason to speak up for our police and military. Its not treason to expect the government to enforce our borders and our immigration laws.

If you think these things are treason, then you are the ones who need to leave.

no, it's treason to try to unilaterally secede.

Yep, just as it was treason for the founders to secede from the british empire by signing the declaration of independence.

The issue of "legality" is a red herring.

 

[Redfish]

They get no help from the federal government on border security, how that working for them??

So with no federal revenue at all, they can shunt all their revenue into building the Wall and rounding up immigrants instead of educating their kids and maintaining their infrastructure. Within 10 years they'll be a Third World country begging to be taken back in.

Like after 10 years of being a Republic they begged to be annexed to the US because they were broke.

Broke, and facing imminent conquest by Mexico.

that would be California

 

[ogibillm]

Just shows how much you people hate America.

No, it shows how much people hate the admitted Communist-tutored, Socialist-studied, racist hate-spewing anti-American pastor-mentored, domestic terrorist-befriending, Mexican Drug Cartel/Islamic Extremist-arming/aiding, lying President and the historically documented / proven lying, un-ethical, self-serving, national-security jeopardizing, failed Hillary Clinton. It shows the recognition of their lies, corruption, anti-American, failed political acts that have been detrimental to this country and has failed to prevent repeated successful terrorist attacks on this nation's soil and the ability to keep Americans safe. It shows they do not share the same view as you, and it shows your intolerance for anyone with a different view with you.

When your own government blames a film maker for what they KNOW is / was a terrorist attack and threatens to arrest him for exercising his Constitutional Right to Freedom of Speech instead of going after (instead protecting) the terrorists who did it... When your government comes out and threatens American citizens with being arrested and jailed for exercising their Constitutional Rights to free speech after a terrorist attack to protect Islam and Muslim Extremists WHILE praising and ignoring a racist hate group's call for the murder of all white people and cops....

...and YOU attack the people who are pointing this out and pondering what to do about it by declaring THEY hate their country?! You just might have things backwards....it seems - SEEMS - you may be protecting / defending the people who really do hate this country.

whatever. support the traitors if you want in their hatred of the united states.

No one hates the USA as much as the Obamas and their cronies.

really? are you trying to say that the people voting to leave the country are doing so out of love?

the current liberal progressive view of the USA is not constitutional. Its the libs who have deserted the country.

BTW, no one has voted to leave the country. Secession has been an option since 1776.

I don't realistically seeing it happen, but more that half of America is fed up with failed liberal ideology.

lol. unilateral secession is not constitutional - hence not an option.
you really do imagine your views are held in the majority, don't you?

 

[mdk]

Good for them. I am opposed to waste regardless of what party is pissing away of dollars.

I see. And what is your party, and who do you endorse for president?

Libertarian. I am partial to Paul but at the moment I am undecided.

rand paul is a republican.

So if you vote for him you're voting for a republican.

Why not vote for the libertarian candidate since you claim to be a libertarian?

Libertarians put a presidential candidate every 4 years. If you're honestly a libertarian then you would vote for that candidate.

You're not a real libertarian, you're a republican. As evidenced by your choice of candidates who is, always has been and always will be a republican.

I vote for candidates that mostly match my views, regardless of party. Gary Johnson fit that mold so I voted for him last election. I still don't know whom I am supporting this time around but it is very likely I'll go third party again.

Oh, and you don't get to decide what is or what isn't a real libertarian.

If you're a libertarian then you would vote for the libertarian candidate.

If you vote for a republican candidate then you really should choose to be an Independent.

I've been a registered Independent since 1978. I vote for the person who is closest to my views and I believe can win.

I don't claim any party then go out and support those candidates of that party while claiming to be a member of a different party.

You vote for whoever you want but your posts that I responded to clearly shows that you were a republican at one time and it was probably the bush boy who made you want to leave the party.

A lot of republicans left the party starting in 2008. They went to the libertarian and independent parties but their votes never changed. They continued to vote republican.

Just like you.

No, my posts never states, or even implies, that I was a Republican at one time. Not once. You're assigning that title to me b/c I stated I was partial to Paul. Frankly, I really don't care if you believe I am 'real libertarian' or not.

 

[easyt65]

So...RWrs, unable to convince people to vote for them, would pout and try to break this country apart. Goes to show who the real traitors are.

Obama arms Mexican Drug Cartels, 500+ - to include 2 Americans die - Obama refuses to punish his Att General after he is caught committing 4 Felony Counts of Perjury while trying to cover it up....and the American people are the traitors?

Obama helps the terrorist Muslim Brotherhood take over the Govt of Egypt - hundreds of Christians die...and the American people are traitors?

Obama supports Hamas before and after they attack our ally Israel, reigning down over 100 rockets a month...and Americans are the traitors?

Obama arms Al Qaeida terrorists in Libya who hired Jihadists from around the world for a decade to go to Afghanistan and Iraq to kill American troops as long as they promise to help oust Qadaffi...and Americans are the traitors?

Obama takes the country to war on his own, by-passing Congress to do so, to help Al Qaeida - perpetrators of 9/11/01 - take over their own country...and Americans are the traitors?

Obama hires an Al Qaeida-associated militia in Libya to protect the now-dead US Ambassador...abandons / leaves him in Benghazi when every other nation pulls their people out due to the threat...denies his over 600 (SIX HUNDRED) requests for additional security, takes away 16 members of his security team AFTER 2 previous terrorist attacks on his compound before the final one, then LIES about the attack being the result of a protest over a video....and Americans are the traitors?

Obama called the Ft. Hood Shooting a case of 'workplace violence', defended Islam, refused to say the word 'terrorist' or Islamic Extremism until forced to do so, failed to prevent 4 terrorist attacks on US soil - one even after he was warned by Russia/Putin in time to stop it...and Americans are the traitors?

Obama lied about ISIS since 2010...he couldn't even talk to the country yesterday about the California attack and terrorism without lying...and Americans are the traitors.

Obama's administration - IRS - targeted Americans just to ensure he won re-election...and Americans are the traitors?

And, again, after the Ca terrorist attack Obama / his DOJ came out and threatened Americans if they exercise their Constitutional Right of Free Speech just to protect the Islamic Extremists / Muslims...and Americans are traitors?

You and I have VERY different definitions of the word 'traitor'!

 

[bodecea]

I am going to try be serious for minute on this unserious thread.

I truly believe that if Hillary Clinton becomes president in 2017 that we will see a real secession movement, starting with Texas and Oklahoma and spreading to the southeastern and Midwestern states.

It happened to the soviet union and there is nothing to stop it from happening here.

Its not something that I want or advocate for, but the country is becoming very very divided on what the role of the federal government should be. Hillary would be a continuation of the failed Obama America-hating Marxist collectivist policies. Plus the woman is senile and angry. A country that would elect such a person does not deserve to remain whole.

This is a real danger people, do not ignore it.

For those of you who think this if funny, watch what happens if another liberal democrat socialist is elected president.

Well, if you don't have a majority of voters that agree with you, you gonna cry?

 

[bodecea]

Not surprised . Texans have treason running through their blood .

You do know dems are trying to let Hawaii secede

Really? Since when did Hawaii ask to secede?

 

[easyt65]

really? are you trying to say that the people voting to leave the country are doing so out of love?

No...SURVIVAL.

 

[ogibillm]

really? are you trying to say that the people voting to leave the country are doing so out of love?

No...SURVIVAL.

so they hate their country for survival?

 

[SwimExpert]

A good way to get a value of roads is take what it actually cost to build it and maintain it then add a certain percentage for inflation.

Viola, you have a value put on a road.

Afraid it doesn't work like that. Let's take another example......

You have a computer. Let's say you bought it for $1200. You've had it for about seven years. You had to get a few things done to maintain it. You bought anti-virus software. You took it to the repair shop a couple times, including one time you got hit with a nasty particular virus that managed to get past your Norton or McAfee or whatever. You had to replace the cooling fan. All in all, it cost you $400 in maintenance costs. That brings you up to $1600.

One day, Comcast is in your home installing your new cable. The tech is a clumsy moron and knocks over your fish tank, which then spills water all over your computer. It's ruined. The company refuses to compensate you, so you sue. When you go to court, you say you want $1600 in compensation, with the above explanation as to why the computer is valued as such.

You won't get $1600 for your computer. Sure, you may have spend that much money on it, but that doesn't mean that is not the value of the computer at the time of the incident. You had the computer for seven years and you got seven years worth of use out of it. So the value of your loss is your purchase price minus the fair use you received. Which, after seven years worth of use is probably going to be pretty low.

Real estate has market values that can be reasonably estimated for resale purposes. The same is not the same for roads. Thus, trying to determine value of highways that were constructed before most of us were born becomes exceedingly complicated.