emilynghiem
Constitutionalist / Universalist
my prayers to the friends and family, and the community
feeling the loss and effects of this tragic shooting death.
With most cases I read about, most can be prevented by making sure armed citizens
take the same oath and training to follow set procedures as police do.
If you can imagine this situation with a trained officer, what would the officer do differently?
That is what the citizens should be trained to do as well.
As for elderly people who get scared and may react without thinking,
I can't guess if training would have prevented this knee jerk reaction to shoot first
and ask questions later.
Proper training on AGREED PROCEDURES (on how to apprehend a possible suspect or how to respond to an arrest or confrontation) may not have prevented death in this case,
but most cases it could. Maybe if she had someone else living with her, this could have been prevented; but with her living alone, I think this was her natural reaction.
This reminds me of the case of the drunk Scottish man who knocked on the wrong door and got shot to death. In general, I just would not recommend letting drunk people run around unsupervised. too much could go wrong. From my own experience, I stayed up almost all night with a friend I was afraid could choke on his own vomit if he passed out. I didn't dare let him out of my sight, and was prepared to take him to the hospital if he poisoned himself with too much alcohol. I also may not have trusted this guy not to collapse, or get robbed by someone, or die of some other accident if he was that trashed.
I do support set procedures and training for citizens, and cases like this remind me we lose people every day that we don't set up an agreed process for neighborhoods to follow. Some cases like this may still happen, but even getting to know your neighbors makes a difference in catching when someone is really intruding and not from the neighborhood. And if people are too unstable, cannot follow instructions and are unsafe with weapons, these people can be screened out if the entire neighborhood is trained on the procedures to follow with police and law enforcement. So it can prevent a lot more problems than just shooting deaths like this one. My condolences again to all who are grieving, and may we all become more united on solutions to prevent such tragedies in the future.
feeling the loss and effects of this tragic shooting death.
except that he was a former marine/current firefighter
Elderly Texas Woman Second Amendments Firefighter She Mistook for a Burglar
It was at this point that two large pieces of lead crashed through the door from the inside, striking Keen and knocking him backward. The neighbor claims she warned the “intruder” that she had a gun — nobody will ever know if a word was spoken, because Keen was pronounced dead at the hospital. She called 911 after opening the door and recognizing the body staining the wood of her suburban front porch.
There was no evidence of any breakage associated with the attempted entry. All evidence indicates that Keen used nothing more than his key on the door — which is more evidence than there is that Keen received any warning before getting shot in the chest.
discuss...
With most cases I read about, most can be prevented by making sure armed citizens
take the same oath and training to follow set procedures as police do.
If you can imagine this situation with a trained officer, what would the officer do differently?
That is what the citizens should be trained to do as well.
As for elderly people who get scared and may react without thinking,
I can't guess if training would have prevented this knee jerk reaction to shoot first
and ask questions later.
Proper training on AGREED PROCEDURES (on how to apprehend a possible suspect or how to respond to an arrest or confrontation) may not have prevented death in this case,
but most cases it could. Maybe if she had someone else living with her, this could have been prevented; but with her living alone, I think this was her natural reaction.
This reminds me of the case of the drunk Scottish man who knocked on the wrong door and got shot to death. In general, I just would not recommend letting drunk people run around unsupervised. too much could go wrong. From my own experience, I stayed up almost all night with a friend I was afraid could choke on his own vomit if he passed out. I didn't dare let him out of my sight, and was prepared to take him to the hospital if he poisoned himself with too much alcohol. I also may not have trusted this guy not to collapse, or get robbed by someone, or die of some other accident if he was that trashed.
I do support set procedures and training for citizens, and cases like this remind me we lose people every day that we don't set up an agreed process for neighborhoods to follow. Some cases like this may still happen, but even getting to know your neighbors makes a difference in catching when someone is really intruding and not from the neighborhood. And if people are too unstable, cannot follow instructions and are unsafe with weapons, these people can be screened out if the entire neighborhood is trained on the procedures to follow with police and law enforcement. So it can prevent a lot more problems than just shooting deaths like this one. My condolences again to all who are grieving, and may we all become more united on solutions to prevent such tragedies in the future.
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