Thank You, Founding Fathers, For the Electoral System

[Weatherman2020]

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You need a Constitutional Amendment to abolish the Electoral College.

Idiot

No, he will go on thinking his online petition will change the Constitution.

 

[westwall]

How ironic that the electoral college was designed precisely to keep a person like Trump out of the white house....the founding fathers miscalculation was not knowing how many stupid people would exist in 2016...

Actually, the EC was designed to keep someone like your hero, the shrilary out of the White House. You have to ask yourself why you support someone who had to rig the Primaries so that she could get the Democrat nod. The EC was designed so that the PEOPLE had the ability to defend themselves from the elite...you know, those Super Delegates that gave the shrilary the candidacy, in violation of every intent of the Founders of this nation.

 

[westwall]

The Federalist Papers - Congress.gov Resources -

Great, you found them. Now you should READ THEM!

 

[BlackFlag]

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Not just no, but hell no! The Electoral College defends the country from the tyranny of the Mob. As the Founders intended.

When a civilization is ruled by the tyranny of a minority, that’s when it fails. The conditions under which the electoral college was negotiated no longer exist. Connecticut signed on to the NPV this year, bringing us a step closer to repairing our completely broken electoral system.

Won't happen, why are you people so intent on forcing us to do whatever you decide we should do?

Give it 1, maybe 2 more electoral breakdowns like last election, where a candidate suspected of conspiracy to sabotage the election became President with 3,000,000 less votes than his opponent, and it will happen

No it won't. I have always found it odd how losers always want to change the rules to suit their needs.

You mean like how republicans changed the rules to get Gorsuch? Or the 27 Constitutional amendments? Or Trump’s constant demands to change the rules so he can pass legislation by decree?

 

[westwall]

I suggest you read some history. Athens fell because of the tyranny of the Mob. Well known history proves your claim to be wrong.

Which mob?

The mob that was the citizenry of Athens. Ignorance of history is no reason to repeat it. Try educating yourself before you make stupid suggestions. Amazingly enough, your ideas have already been tried. And they failed. Badly.

The citizens of Athens overthrew the government? And why was that?

Like I said, junior. Read some history. Preferably something by someone who is a non biased historian like your hero, zinn.

No, I’m waiting for you to admit the citizens revolted because of a tyranny of the minority. Unless you’re talking about the times Athens was conquered or became part of another empire or nation, in which case it has zero relevance to what we’re talking about.

Tell us how the invasion of Syracuse helped the Athenian cause.

 

[JWBooth]

Good, bad, or neglegible, the EC isn’t that hard to decipher. A bunch of butthurt dipwads have their noses out of joint because their candidate took the election for granted and did not campaign appropriately.

 

[westwall]

Not just no, but hell no! The Electoral College defends the country from the tyranny of the Mob. As the Founders intended.

When a civilization is ruled by the tyranny of a minority, that’s when it fails. The conditions under which the electoral college was negotiated no longer exist. Connecticut signed on to the NPV this year, bringing us a step closer to repairing our completely broken electoral system.

Won't happen, why are you people so intent on forcing us to do whatever you decide we should do?

Give it 1, maybe 2 more electoral breakdowns like last election, where a candidate suspected of conspiracy to sabotage the election became President with 3,000,000 less votes than his opponent, and it will happen

No it won't. I have always found it odd how losers always want to change the rules to suit their needs.

You mean like how republicans changed the rules to get Gorsuch? Or the 27 Constitutional amendments? Or Trump’s constant demands to change the rules so he can pass legislation by decree?

Didn't you mean to say the "Biden rule"?

 

[BlackFlag]

Support this: National Popular Vote

Also, VOTE this November

You need a Constitutional Amendment to abolish the Electoral College.

Idiot

No, he will go on thinking his online petition will change the Constitution.

^ retard doesn’t know it's not a petition, or that it doesn’t change the Constitution.

 

[BlackFlag]

When a civilization is ruled by the tyranny of a minority, that’s when it fails. The conditions under which the electoral college was negotiated no longer exist. Connecticut signed on to the NPV this year, bringing us a step closer to repairing our completely broken electoral system.

Won't happen, why are you people so intent on forcing us to do whatever you decide we should do?

Give it 1, maybe 2 more electoral breakdowns like last election, where a candidate suspected of conspiracy to sabotage the election became President with 3,000,000 less votes than his opponent, and it will happen

No it won't. I have always found it odd how losers always want to change the rules to suit their needs.

You mean like how republicans changed the rules to get Gorsuch? Or the 27 Constitutional amendments? Or Trump’s constant demands to change the rules so he can pass legislation by decree?

Didn't you mean to say the "Biden rule"?

No. Feel free to try again.

 

[Weatherman2020]

The Founding Fathers feared a direct democracy.

They also feared their slaves getting freedom, shit in Chamber pots and thought bleeding people was a valid medical treatment.

Heck, even their original idea for the EC didn't work out that well, which is why they had to amend it with the 12th Amendment after the first couple of tries turned into a train wreck.

Here's the real problem with the EC. It disenfranchises most states. There's really no point in voting Republican in CA or Democratic in TX (at least for now). The election comes down to about 10 swing states, which are often vulnerable to the kind of hacking that went on in 2016.

It also locks us into a two party system that most folks kind of agree is broken. Third parties kind of whither and die after one cycle.

A much better system would be to have a general election and if no one gets more than 50% of the vote, then you have a run-off between the top two vote getters.

It has nothing to do with the 2 party system. The issue is how Progressives have centralized power.

It used to be that states ran their own affairs, but the Federal government increasingly has taken over their power...... <snip>

It has EVERYTHING to do with the Duopoly, which as it works the EC keeps protected from any threat TO that Duopoly.

ANY state ANYWHERE is going to vote for either the so-called "Red" or the so-called "Blue" candidate, and everybody in that state knows it, therefore they're not going to waste a vote on the "Green" or "Purple" candy because they know god damned well it won't count. The only reason anybody anywhere has a reason to vote at all is if that particular state is uncertain about whether it will go "red" or "blue", and that voter wants to lean it this way, or more likely ensure it doesn't lean 'that' way.

EVERYBODY ELSE'S VOTE EVERYWHERE IS TOSSED IN THE SHREDDER. It's recycled to make grocery bags, and thank you for shopping here, have a nice day. And even those in that so-called "swing" state who voted with the "red" or "blue" candy who did not prevail, their vote goes into the same shredder. Worthless. That state then goes to Congress and lies through its teeth, saying "wow it's amazing, literally everybody in our state voted for Doofus, this hasn't happened since the last six dozen times it happened, every four years. Amazing".

So don't come on this board and try to pretend the Electrical College isn't short-circuiting the vast majority of the People's vote and try to shunt off into shiny objects of "oh look over there, what the government is doing". People just ain't that fucking stupid.

Using your Leftard logic, if a popular vote is 100,000,001 to 100,000,000 then 100,000,000 votes got wasted.

Dumbass.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Otherwise the votes in California, where it's legal to knowingly transmit HIV but you go to prison for handing out a straw, would have mattered.

You're fake news.
And a bald-faced liar.
There is no such law about straws in CA.
Post the statute or STFU.

Giving Out Plastic Straws In Santa Barbara May Land You In Jail For 6 Months

California city OKs jail time for defying plastic straw ban

 

[Doc1]

Not just no, but hell no! The Electoral College defends the country from the tyranny of the Mob. As the Founders intended.

When a civilization is ruled by the tyranny of a minority, that’s when it fails. The conditions under which the electoral college was negotiated no longer exist. Connecticut signed on to the NPV this year, bringing us a step closer to repairing our completely broken electoral system.

Won't happen, why are you people so intent on forcing us to do whatever you decide we should do?

Give it 1, maybe 2 more electoral breakdowns like last election, where a candidate suspected of conspiracy to sabotage the election became President with 3,000,000 less votes than his opponent, and it will happen

No it won't. I have always found it odd how losers always want to change the rules to suit their needs.

You mean like how republicans changed the rules to get Gorsuch? Or the 27 Constitutional amendments? Or Trump’s constant demands to change the rules so he can pass legislation by decree?

LOL, if you can get an Amendment through then so be it. That's the way it works. I'll bet you CHEERED the Messiah when he said "I have a phone, and a pen." Are you, with a straight face actually trying to say every amendment was a Republican Amendment?

 

[westwall]

Otherwise the votes in California, where it's legal to knowingly transmit HIV but you go to prison for handing out a straw, would have mattered.

You're fake news.
And a bald-faced liar.
There is no such law about straws in CA.
Post the statute or STFU.

Giving Out Plastic Straws In Santa Barbara May Land You In Jail For 6 Months

No, you're just ignorant.


Santa Barbara to revisit proposed plastic straw ban

3:54
In mid-July, after several months of Santa Barbara city officials engaging with restaurants and businesses in an effort to reduce waste in the city, the Santa Barbara city council voted to pass local laws banning plastic straws, stirrers and cutlery and polystyrene—also known as Styrofoam—food containers.

But at their July 24 meeting, council members voted to dial that back a bit. City of Santa Barbara Environmental Services Outreach Coordinator, Bryan Latchford, worked on both ordinances and spoke with KCBX’s Tyler Pratt to help explain what happened.

Santa Barbara to revisit proposed plastic straw ban

 

[Pogo]

The Founding Fathers feared a direct democracy.

They also feared their slaves getting freedom, shit in Chamber pots and thought bleeding people was a valid medical treatment.

Heck, even their original idea for the EC didn't work out that well, which is why they had to amend it with the 12th Amendment after the first couple of tries turned into a train wreck.

Here's the real problem with the EC. It disenfranchises most states. There's really no point in voting Republican in CA or Democratic in TX (at least for now). The election comes down to about 10 swing states, which are often vulnerable to the kind of hacking that went on in 2016.

It also locks us into a two party system that most folks kind of agree is broken. Third parties kind of whither and die after one cycle.

A much better system would be to have a general election and if no one gets more than 50% of the vote, then you have a run-off between the top two vote getters.

It has nothing to do with the 2 party system. The issue is how Progressives have centralized power.

It used to be that states ran their own affairs, but the Federal government increasingly has taken over their power...... <snip>

It has EVERYTHING to do with the Duopoly, which as it works the EC keeps protected from any threat TO that Duopoly.

ANY state ANYWHERE is going to vote for either the so-called "Red" or the so-called "Blue" candidate, and everybody in that state knows it, therefore they're not going to waste a vote on the "Green" or "Purple" candy because they know god damned well it won't count. The only reason anybody anywhere has a reason to vote at all is if that particular state is uncertain about whether it will go "red" or "blue", and that voter wants to lean it this way, or more likely ensure it doesn't lean 'that' way.

EVERYBODY ELSE'S VOTE EVERYWHERE IS TOSSED IN THE SHREDDER. It's recycled to make grocery bags, and thank you for shopping here, have a nice day. And even those in that so-called "swing" state who voted with the "red" or "blue" candy who did not prevail, their vote goes into the same shredder. Worthless. That state then goes to Congress and lies through its teeth, saying "wow it's amazing, literally everybody in our state voted for Doofus, this hasn't happened since the last six dozen times it happened, every four years. Amazing".

So don't come on this board and try to pretend the Electrical College isn't short-circuiting the vast majority of the People's vote and try to shunt off into shiny objects of "oh look over there, what the government is doing". People just ain't that fucking stupid.

Using your Leftard logic, if a popular vote is 100,000,001 to 100,000,000 then 100,000,000 votes got wasted.

Dumbass.

Nope. Because those 100,000,000 votes got counted. Dumbass.

Nobody who voted for, say, Rump in California or Clinton in Texas, had their votes counted. Flushed right down the toilet.

And what that also does that we didn't even mention is this --- everybody in California knew their state would go EC-unanimous for Clinton; everybody in Texas knew their state would go all-in for Rump. Therefore there was no point in anybody voting AT ALL. A Texan or Californian could vote for Rump, vote for Clinton, vote for Stein, vote for Howdy Doody, or stay home, learn Hungarian and not bother to vote at all. And all five courses would produce exactly the same result. So what's the point?

That's why we have such an abysmal turnout. The last one, hyperbuzzed as it was, only brought out 55% of eligible voters. Because what's the point. That too is the fault of the EC as it operates.

Dumbass.

 

[WaitingFor2020]

Otherwise the votes in California, where it's legal to knowingly transmit HIV but you go to prison for handing out a straw, would have mattered.

You're fake news.
And a bald-faced liar.
There is no such law about straws in CA.
Post the statute or STFU.

Giving Out Plastic Straws In Santa Barbara May Land You In Jail For 6 Months

California city OKs jail time for defying plastic straw ban

View attachment 207990 View attachment 207991

If you actually read the articles you link to, no one is going to jail over a plastic straw.
You're fake news.

 

[Weatherman2020]

The Founding Fathers feared a direct democracy.

They also feared their slaves getting freedom, shit in Chamber pots and thought bleeding people was a valid medical treatment.

Heck, even their original idea for the EC didn't work out that well, which is why they had to amend it with the 12th Amendment after the first couple of tries turned into a train wreck.

Here's the real problem with the EC. It disenfranchises most states. There's really no point in voting Republican in CA or Democratic in TX (at least for now). The election comes down to about 10 swing states, which are often vulnerable to the kind of hacking that went on in 2016.

It also locks us into a two party system that most folks kind of agree is broken. Third parties kind of whither and die after one cycle.

A much better system would be to have a general election and if no one gets more than 50% of the vote, then you have a run-off between the top two vote getters.

It has nothing to do with the 2 party system. The issue is how Progressives have centralized power.

It used to be that states ran their own affairs, but the Federal government increasingly has taken over their power...... <snip>

It has EVERYTHING to do with the Duopoly, which as it works the EC keeps protected from any threat TO that Duopoly.

ANY state ANYWHERE is going to vote for either the so-called "Red" or the so-called "Blue" candidate, and everybody in that state knows it, therefore they're not going to waste a vote on the "Green" or "Purple" candy because they know god damned well it won't count. The only reason anybody anywhere has a reason to vote at all is if that particular state is uncertain about whether it will go "red" or "blue", and that voter wants to lean it this way, or more likely ensure it doesn't lean 'that' way.

EVERYBODY ELSE'S VOTE EVERYWHERE IS TOSSED IN THE SHREDDER. It's recycled to make grocery bags, and thank you for shopping here, have a nice day. And even those in that so-called "swing" state who voted with the "red" or "blue" candy who did not prevail, their vote goes into the same shredder. Worthless. That state then goes to Congress and lies through its teeth, saying "wow it's amazing, literally everybody in our state voted for Doofus, this hasn't happened since the last six dozen times it happened, every four years. Amazing".

So don't come on this board and try to pretend the Electrical College isn't short-circuiting the vast majority of the People's vote and try to shunt off into shiny objects of "oh look over there, what the government is doing". People just ain't that fucking stupid.

Using your Leftard logic, if a popular vote is 100,000,001 to 100,000,000 then 100,000,000 votes got wasted.

Dumbass.

Nope. Because those 100,000,000 votes got counted. Dumbass.

Nobody who voted for, say, Rump in California or Clinton in Texas, had their votes counted. Flushed right down the toilet.

And what that also does that we didn't even mention is this --- everybody in California knew their state would go EC-unanimous for Clinton; everybody in Texas knew their state would go all-in for Rump. Therefore there was no point in anybody voting AT ALL. A Texan or Californian could vote for Rump, vote for Clinton, vote for Stein, vote for Howdy Doody, or stay home, learn Hungarian and not bother to vote at all. And all five courses would produce exactly the same result. So what's the point?

That's why we have such an abysmal turnout. The last one, hyperbuzzed as it was, only brought out 55% of eligible voters. Because what's the point. That too is the fault of the EC as it operates.

Dumbass.

Oh this is good.

How do they know who I voted for without counting it?

Trump didn’t get one vote in Calif?

How do they count my votes on propositions and dog catcher without counting my choice for POTUS?

So you’re saying California predetermined who would win the State. That’s called fixing the elections. A very Democratic Party thing, glad you admit Dems cheat.

 

[Doc1]

Otherwise the votes in California, where it's legal to knowingly transmit HIV but you go to prison for handing out a straw, would have mattered.

You're fake news.
And a bald-faced liar.
There is no such law about straws in CA.
Post the statute or STFU.

Giving Out Plastic Straws In Santa Barbara May Land You In Jail For 6 Months

California city OKs jail time for defying plastic straw ban

View attachment 207990 View attachment 207991

If you actually read the articles you link to, no one is going to jail over a plastic straw.
You're fake news.

The point is that idiots ARE trying to ban straws. Own it, Progressives are some of the most stupid people on the Planet.

"
San Francisco Is Poised To Ban Plastic Straws. That's Got Bubble Tea Shops Worried"

San Francisco Is Poised To Ban Plastic Straws. That's Got Bubble Tea Shops Worried

 

[BlackFlag]

Which mob?

The mob that was the citizenry of Athens. Ignorance of history is no reason to repeat it. Try educating yourself before you make stupid suggestions. Amazingly enough, your ideas have already been tried. And they failed. Badly.

The citizens of Athens overthrew the government? And why was that?

Like I said, junior. Read some history. Preferably something by someone who is a non biased historian like your hero, zinn.

No, I’m waiting for you to admit the citizens revolted because of a tyranny of the minority. Unless you’re talking about the times Athens was conquered or became part of another empire or nation, in which case it has zero relevance to what we’re talking about.

Tell us how the invasion of Syracuse helped the Athenian cause.

It didn’t. They were defeated. So now that you carried on this farce, I assume you’ll explain how some tyranny of the majority ended Athens?

 

[Votto]

They also feared their slaves getting freedom, shit in Chamber pots and thought bleeding people was a valid medical treatment.

Heck, even their original idea for the EC didn't work out that well, which is why they had to amend it with the 12th Amendment after the first couple of tries turned into a train wreck.

Here's the real problem with the EC. It disenfranchises most states. There's really no point in voting Republican in CA or Democratic in TX (at least for now). The election comes down to about 10 swing states, which are often vulnerable to the kind of hacking that went on in 2016.

It also locks us into a two party system that most folks kind of agree is broken. Third parties kind of whither and die after one cycle.

A much better system would be to have a general election and if no one gets more than 50% of the vote, then you have a run-off between the top two vote getters.

It has nothing to do with the 2 party system. The issue is how Progressives have centralized power.

It used to be that states ran their own affairs, but the Federal government increasingly has taken over their power...... <snip>

It has EVERYTHING to do with the Duopoly, which as it works the EC keeps protected from any threat TO that Duopoly.

ANY state ANYWHERE is going to vote for either the so-called "Red" or the so-called "Blue" candidate, and everybody in that state knows it, therefore they're not going to waste a vote on the "Green" or "Purple" candy because they know god damned well it won't count. The only reason anybody anywhere has a reason to vote at all is if that particular state is uncertain about whether it will go "red" or "blue", and that voter wants to lean it this way, or more likely ensure it doesn't lean 'that' way.

EVERYBODY ELSE'S VOTE EVERYWHERE IS TOSSED IN THE SHREDDER. It's recycled to make grocery bags, and thank you for shopping here, have a nice day. And even those in that so-called "swing" state who voted with the "red" or "blue" candy who did not prevail, their vote goes into the same shredder. Worthless. That state then goes to Congress and lies through its teeth, saying "wow it's amazing, literally everybody in our state voted for Doofus, this hasn't happened since the last six dozen times it happened, every four years. Amazing".

So don't come on this board and try to pretend the Electrical College isn't short-circuiting the vast majority of the People's vote and try to shunt off into shiny objects of "oh look over there, what the government is doing". People just ain't that fucking stupid.

Using your Leftard logic, if a popular vote is 100,000,001 to 100,000,000 then 100,000,000 votes got wasted.

Dumbass.

Nope. Because those 100,000,000 votes got counted. Dumbass.

Nobody who voted for, say, Rump in California or Clinton in Texas, had their votes counted. Flushed right down the toilet.

And what that also does that we didn't even mention is this --- everybody in California knew their state would go EC-unanimous for Clinton; everybody in Texas knew their state would go all-in for Rump. Therefore there was no point in anybody voting AT ALL. A Texan or Californian could vote for Rump, vote for Clinton, vote for Stein, vote for Howdy Doody, or stay home, learn Hungarian and not bother to vote at all. And all five courses would produce exactly the same result. So what's the point?

That's why we have such an abysmal turnout. The last one, hyperbuzzed as it was, only brought out 55% of eligible voters. Because what's the point. That too is the fault of the EC as it operates.

Dumbass.

Oh this is good.

How do they know who I voted for without counting it?

Trump didn’t get one vote in Calif?

How do they count my votes on propositions and dog catcher without counting my choice for POTUS?

So you’re saying California predetermined who would win the State. That’s called fixing the elections. A very Democratic Party thing, glad you admit Dems cheat.

To be fair, Dims already have all the answers so all they need is some empty chair stooge to carry out their agendas.

Elections are frivolous.

 

[westwall]

The mob that was the citizenry of Athens. Ignorance of history is no reason to repeat it. Try educating yourself before you make stupid suggestions. Amazingly enough, your ideas have already been tried. And they failed. Badly.

The citizens of Athens overthrew the government? And why was that?

Like I said, junior. Read some history. Preferably something by someone who is a non biased historian like your hero, zinn.

No, I’m waiting for you to admit the citizens revolted because of a tyranny of the minority. Unless you’re talking about the times Athens was conquered or became part of another empire or nation, in which case it has zero relevance to what we’re talking about.

Tell us how the invasion of Syracuse helped the Athenian cause.

It didn’t. They were defeated. So now that you carried on this farce, I assume you’ll explain how some tyranny of the majority ended Athens?

Aaaaannd? It was the tyranny of the mob that caused the invasion of Syracuse. C'mon little internet commando, do some research. I gave you all the clues you needed. How did invading Syracuse help the cause of Athens?