The battle for the soul of America.

[pknopp]

I shouldn't have to walk by stste sponsored BLM propaganda or murals of the criminal George Floyd in Mpls either.
Yet, I won't be a pussy and tear them down. Simply walk by and ignore that shit.

If it's on public property you can complain.

 

[Redfish]

Asking a black man to pass by a statue honoring someone that fought to keep his ancestors in slavery as he goes to the courthouse to pay his taxes is wrong.

Just because "historically" we did it does not make it right.

such bullshit. In New Orleans we have had a statue of Lee on Lee circle for over a hundred years, hundreds of thousands of blacks and whites have passed that statue every day and no one ever claimed to be offended until last year. What changed? Now the statue is gone, is the city better? is the crime rate down? are the potholes fixed? is the flooding stopped? Who is better off because a statue is gone? the covid shutdown and our incompetent mayor have damaged this city much more than any statue.

sure, there are some bad things in our history, but to pretend that they never happened is to risk repeating them. We need to learn from history, not try to rewrite it using today's perceptions of right and wrong.

Did no one complain or did you simply not listen? No one is pretending things in the past never happened. The argument is that we shouldn't be honoring those who did those things in the public square.

Asking a black man to pass by a statue honoring someone that fought to keep his ancestors in slavery as he goes to the courthouse to pay his taxes is wrong.

Just because "historically" we did it does not make it right.

such bullshit. In New Orleans we have had a statue of Lee on Lee circle for over a hundred years, hundreds of thousands of blacks and whites have passed that statue every day and no one ever claimed to be offended until last year. What changed? Now the statue is gone, is the city better? is the crime rate down? are the potholes fixed? is the flooding stopped? Who is better off because a statue is gone? the covid shutdown and our incompetent mayor have damaged this city much more than any statue.

sure, there are some bad things in our history, but to pretend that they never happened is to risk repeating them. We need to learn from history, not try to rewrite it using today's perceptions of right and wrong.

NOLA also has a statue of slaves in chains. When I saw that statue, my initial reaction was, well that was F'ed up!; instead of reacting that we should bring slavery back.
Once again, statues note history, not necessarily promote history!

Statues are placed as an honor to that person.

Only one perception and your only perception.
That could be a problem.

Except it's not just me.

It is not a majority consensus neither. It is a politically calculated one only.

Allowing blacks to eat at the white lunch counter wasn't a majority consensus either.

Bullshit! The Civil Rights Act surely was!!
You cannot credibly debate history, etc., especially since you know little about it.

That we got around the passing that act in no way disputes what I said. It only passed after many protests.

yep, it got passed in spite of democrat fillibusters and it was passed by republican votes with the majority of democrats voting no.

Ironic, isn't it?

history many times is ironic

 

[flack]

Interesting!

 

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[Mindful]

If the British colonists had not forced people from a faraway continent to come here

They sent their criminals to penal colonies, such as Maryland and the like.

 

[Mindful]

Asking a black man to pass by a statue honoring someone that fought to keep his ancestors in slavery as he goes to the courthouse to pay his taxes is wrong.

Just because "historically" we did it does not make it right.

such bullshit. In New Orleans we have had a statue of Lee on Lee circle for over a hundred years, hundreds of thousands of blacks and whites have passed that statue every day and no one ever claimed to be offended until last year. What changed? Now the statue is gone, is the city better? is the crime rate down? are the potholes fixed? is the flooding stopped? Who is better off because a statue is gone? the covid shutdown and our incompetent mayor have damaged this city much more than any statue.

sure, there are some bad things in our history, but to pretend that they never happened is to risk repeating them. We need to learn from history, not try to rewrite it using today's perceptions of right and wrong.

Did no one complain or did you simply not listen? No one is pretending things in the past never happened. The argument is that we shouldn't be honoring those who did those things in the public square.

Asking a black man to pass by a statue honoring someone that fought to keep his ancestors in slavery as he goes to the courthouse to pay his taxes is wrong.

Just because "historically" we did it does not make it right.

such bullshit. In New Orleans we have had a statue of Lee on Lee circle for over a hundred years, hundreds of thousands of blacks and whites have passed that statue every day and no one ever claimed to be offended until last year. What changed? Now the statue is gone, is the city better? is the crime rate down? are the potholes fixed? is the flooding stopped? Who is better off because a statue is gone? the covid shutdown and our incompetent mayor have damaged this city much more than any statue.

sure, there are some bad things in our history, but to pretend that they never happened is to risk repeating them. We need to learn from history, not try to rewrite it using today's perceptions of right and wrong.

NOLA also has a statue of slaves in chains. When I saw that statue, my initial reaction was, well that was F'ed up!; instead of reacting that we should bring slavery back.
Once again, statues note history, not necessarily promote history!

Statues are placed as an honor to that person.

Only one perception and your only perception.
That could be a problem.

Except it's not just me.

It is not a majority consensus neither. It is a politically calculated one only.

Allowing blacks to eat at the white lunch counter wasn't a majority consensus either.

Bullshit! The Civil Rights Act surely was!!
You cannot credibly debate history, etc., especially since you know little about it.

That we got around the passing that act in no way disputes what I said. It only passed after many protests.

yep, it got passed in spite of democrat fillibusters and it was passed by republican votes with the majority of democrats voting no.

Ironic, isn't it?

history many times is ironic

It’s happening as we speak.

 

[petro]

I shouldn't have to walk by stste sponsored BLM propaganda or murals of the criminal George Floyd in Mpls either.
Yet, I won't be a pussy and tear them down. Simply walk by and ignore that shit.

If it's on public property you can complain.

A roadway is public property and BLM is painted on streets in multiple cities with the blessing of liberal politicians and their virtue signaling. The propaganda has reached public schools, with messaging of BLM.

Black Lives Matter School Mural — D.C. Area Educators for Social Justice

Early childhood students and families at The Inspired Teaching Demonstration School began to work on a #BlackLivesMatter mural this morning. Students in Pk through 8th grade will have the opportunity to add their messages throughout the week as part of the D.C. Area Black Lives Matter Week of Acti

www.google.com

This obvious one sided messaging is happening nationwide, so yeah, dick. I am gonna complain.

 

[flack]

My family were coal miners. The only slave we ever owned was a donkey. He worked very hard but lived very well. The big problem is these lunkheads believe what the movies portray to be real. I have no doubt that there may have been some abuse but why would you starve and mistreat something of value that you depend on to earn your money?

 

[pknopp]

I shouldn't have to walk by stste sponsored BLM propaganda or murals of the criminal George Floyd in Mpls either.
Yet, I won't be a pussy and tear them down. Simply walk by and ignore that shit.

If it's on public property you can complain.

A roadway is public property and BLM is painted on streets in multiple cities. The propaganda has reached public schools, with messaging of BLM.

Black Lives Matter School Mural — D.C. Area Educators for Social Justice

Early childhood students and families at The Inspired Teaching Demonstration School began to work on a #BlackLivesMatter mural this morning. Students in Pk through 8th grade will have the opportunity to add their messages throughout the week as part of the D.C. Area Black Lives Matter Week of Acti

www.google.com

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This obvious one sided messaging in happening nationwide, so yeah, dick. I am gonna complain.

I disagreed with the mayor of NYC allowing people to paint BLM on the streets. I fully support them doing so as a sign of protest though. I also support those who painted over it as a sign of protest.

 

[pknopp]

My family were coal miners. The only slave we ever owned was a donkey. He worked very hard but lived very well. The big problem is these lunkheads believe what the movies portray to be real. I have no doubt that there may have been some abuse but why would you starve and mistreat something of value that you depend on to earn your money?

The reason coal miners did well was because of those before them willing to resort to violence and suffering to see that it was the case.

I've been to Matewan. It wasn't just a movie.

 

[flack]

My family were coal miners. The only slave we ever owned was a donkey. He worked very hard but lived very well. The big problem is these lunkheads believe what the movies portray to be real. I have no doubt that there may have been some abuse but why would you starve and mistreat something of value that you depend on to earn your money?

The reason coal miners did well was because of those before them willing to resort to violence and suffering to see that it was the case.

I've been to Matewan. It wasn't just a movie.

I'm from WV. Right smack in the middle of the coal fields.

 

[pknopp]

My family were coal miners. The only slave we ever owned was a donkey. He worked very hard but lived very well. The big problem is these lunkheads believe what the movies portray to be real. I have no doubt that there may have been some abuse but why would you starve and mistreat something of value that you depend on to earn your money?

The reason coal miners did well was because of those before them willing to resort to violence and suffering to see that it was the case.

I've been to Matewan. It wasn't just a movie.

I'm from WV. Right smack in the middle of the coal fields.

So you should know the history. Company towns, company scrips. The constant danger. The health issues.

 

[flack]

My family were coal miners. The only slave we ever owned was a donkey. He worked very hard but lived very well. The big problem is these lunkheads believe what the movies portray to be real. I have no doubt that there may have been some abuse but why would you starve and mistreat something of value that you depend on to earn your money?

The reason coal miners did well was because of those before them willing to resort to violence and suffering to see that it was the case.

I've been to Matewan. It wasn't just a movie.

My grandfather walked 5 miles to work and dug coal 10 hours a day for $0.25 a tonne. Had to hand load push the cart out of the mine to the scale. Being able to buy that donkey not only got him to work faster but pulled the cart out faster allowing him to almost double his pay.

 

[flack]

My family were coal miners. The only slave we ever owned was a donkey. He worked very hard but lived very well. The big problem is these lunkheads believe what the movies portray to be real. I have no doubt that there may have been some abuse but why would you starve and mistreat something of value that you depend on to earn your money?

The reason coal miners did well was because of those before them willing to resort to violence and suffering to see that it was the case.

I've been to Matewan. It wasn't just a movie.

I'm from WV. Right smack in the middle of the coal fields.

So you should know the history. Company towns, company scrips. The constant danger. The health issues.

Yep. Got a box full of script from different mines in the area.

 

[norwegen]

In today's culture wars, the future of the republic itself is at stake.

Historically, US presidential elections were dominated by competing views on economic and social issues. No longer. This approaching election has increasingly been consumed by a cultural conflict, at the heart of which is a war over American history. But this is no mere disagreement over the precise details of what happened three or four centuries ago. It is a battle for the very soul of the United States.

The battle for the soul of America

In today's culture wars, the future of the republic itself is at stake.

www.spiked-online.com

Slavery was never the “soul” of the Untied States. It was always controversial among the colonists and also the founders. Hence the constitutional provisions for its gradual dismantling.

The soul of America – her first principles embraced by all – sprang from classical antiquity, Enlightenment rationalism, Puritanism, and English common law.

The voices of Cassius, Brutus, and Cicero fill the literature of the Revolution, as do the natural rights voices of Franklin, Adams, and Jefferson that railed against the institutions of the ancien regime. Christianity – Puritanism, largely – probably had the broadest appeal, its tradition rooted in local sources and also drawing a context for ordinary events that was nothing less than cosmic; colonization was by the hand of God. And the common law embodied principles of justice, equity, and rights, and the British constitution itself, practically an ancient institution itself, was already immortalized in history.

These kinds of things defined American culture, not slavery or any other evil that seem inevitably to crop up alongside civilization. Yet the left will enshroud every good thing only in wickedness and then tear it down in the name of what they call goodness. They are truly evil.

 

[Mac1958]

Slavery was extremely beneficial to black American citizens living today

Interesting that a person with a Bible quotation in his sig would say such a thing.

I assume you believe that Jesus would agree with you?

 

[pknopp]

My family were coal miners. The only slave we ever owned was a donkey. He worked very hard but lived very well. The big problem is these lunkheads believe what the movies portray to be real. I have no doubt that there may have been some abuse but why would you starve and mistreat something of value that you depend on to earn your money?

The reason coal miners did well was because of those before them willing to resort to violence and suffering to see that it was the case.

I've been to Matewan. It wasn't just a movie.

My grandfather walked 5 miles to work and dug coal 10 hours a day for $0.25 a tonne. Had to hand load push the cart out of the mine to the scale. Being able to buy that donkey not only got him to work faster but pulled the cart out faster allowing him to almost double his pay.

The best miners could do maybe 11 ton in the best of scenarios. So that would be less than $3.00 a day in company scrip.

 

[pknopp]

In today's culture wars, the future of the republic itself is at stake.

Historically, US presidential elections were dominated by competing views on economic and social issues. No longer. This approaching election has increasingly been consumed by a cultural conflict, at the heart of which is a war over American history. But this is no mere disagreement over the precise details of what happened three or four centuries ago. It is a battle for the very soul of the United States.

The battle for the soul of America

In today's culture wars, the future of the republic itself is at stake.

www.spiked-online.com

Slavery was never the “soul” of the Untied States. It was always controversial among the colonists and also the founders. Hence the constitutional provisions for its gradual dismantling.

Where is this found at in the Constitution?

 

[Mindful]

Slavery was extremely beneficial to black American citizens living today

Interesting that a person with a Bible quotation in his sig would say such a thing.

I assume you believe that Jesus would agree with you?

What’s He got to do with it?

 

[petro]

I shouldn't have to walk by stste sponsored BLM propaganda or murals of the criminal George Floyd in Mpls either.
Yet, I won't be a pussy and tear them down. Simply walk by and ignore that shit.

If it's on public property you can complain.

A roadway is public property and BLM is painted on streets in multiple cities. The propaganda has reached public schools, with messaging of BLM.

Black Lives Matter School Mural — D.C. Area Educators for Social Justice

Early childhood students and families at The Inspired Teaching Demonstration School began to work on a #BlackLivesMatter mural this morning. Students in Pk through 8th grade will have the opportunity to add their messages throughout the week as part of the D.C. Area Black Lives Matter Week of Acti

www.google.com

View attachment 396978
This obvious one sided messaging in happening nationwide, so yeah, dick. I am gonna complain.

I disagreed with the mayor of NYC allowing people to paint BLM on the streets. I fully support them doing so as a sign of protest though. I also support those who painted over it as a sign of protest.

Well, that is a fair answer. But I still don't support vandalism in the form of graffiti from any party.