The Battle of Bunkerville: Restoring the Rule of Law

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Don't know where you heard that.

The voices tell him a lot of things.

 

[nodoginnafight]

This precedent could prove problematic if all welfare recipients react this way to getting tossed off the gravy train.

Tru dat.

I thought welfare recipients were sheep that gave up their guns?

Yeah, you go into some aid dependent communities with that assumption, you might be in for a rude awakening

Bundy and the welfare cowboys will fight to the death to beat off those "gun grabbers"
and some inner city neighborhoods have a lot more guns than the welfare cowboys.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Where in the Constitution is the United States Government given the authority to administrate that land?

Whether or not the federal government should own that land is an entirely different discussion altogether. As of today, they do own it, therefore anyone using that land is obligated to follow their rules. I own two rental properties and I have rules my tenants are expected to abide by. If they don't or they decide to stop paying me then I kick them out, by force, if necessary.

For the Motherland Comrade!

 

[nodoginnafight]

Where in the Constitution is the United States Government given the authority to administrate that land?

You don't like the law - change it.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Tru dat.

I thought welfare recipients were sheep that gave up their guns?

Yeah, you go into some aid dependent communities with that assumption, you might be in for a rude awakening

Bundy and the welfare cowboys will fight to the death to beat off those "gun grabbers"
and some inner city neighborhoods have a lot more guns than the welfare cowboys.

You mean gun control doesn't work in Chicago, where they banned guns?

Excellent admission. Walked you right into that trap. Screenshoted for all eternity.

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[nodoginnafight]

Where in the Constitution is the United States Government given the authority to administrate that land?

Whether or not the federal government should own that land is an entirely different discussion altogether. As of today, they do own it, therefore anyone using that land is obligated to follow their rules. I own two rental properties and I have rules my tenants are expected to abide by. If they don't or they decide to stop paying me then I kick them out, by force, if necessary.

For the Motherland Comrade!

Yeah, cause only communists believe in paying what you owe



Is that really all you have to add to the debate? and you STARTED this thread?????

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Welfare Ranching: The Subsidized Destruction of the American West

Whether on public or private lands, the western livestock industry is subsidized in multiple ways. First, there is the abundance of federal and state funding that props up the industry, including below-market grazing fees, emergency feed programs, low-interest federal farm loans, and many other taxpayer-funded programs.

Bundy the taker didn't even want to pay the below-market grazing fees. He wanted freebies!

Where in the Constitution is the United States Government given the authority to administrate that land?

Article IV, Section 3, Clause 2.

The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Where in the Constitution is the United States Government given the authority to administrate that land?

You don't like the law - change it.

If you don't like the Constitution, Amend it.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Where in the Constitution is the United States Government given the authority to administrate that land?

Whether or not the federal government should own that land is an entirely different discussion altogether. As of today, they do own it, therefore anyone using that land is obligated to follow their rules. I own two rental properties and I have rules my tenants are expected to abide by. If they don't or they decide to stop paying me then I kick them out, by force, if necessary.

For the Motherland Comrade!

I'm a libertarian. You are not; you're a radical anarchist and incredibly childish, which is why you fail to sway people over to your position.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.

When the United States admitted Nevada into the Union, Nevada became the Sovereign of its own Land, even if the Feds own portions of it.

 

[idb]

What's happening back at these brave men's unprotected homes while they've taken their flags and guns to Bunkerville?
Someone should warn them that the government might be going through their drawers at this very moment.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.

When the United States admitted Nevada into the Union, Nevada became the Sovereign of its own Land.

No, it didn't.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

When the United States admitted Nevada into the Union, Nevada became the Sovereign of its own Land.

No, it didn't.

Are you claiming that Nevada is a Unitary Administrative district of the Federal Government, instead of a Sovereign Member State of the Federal Union?

 

[ClosedCaption]

Wow! To think all this happened in a "Police State"

 

[theDoctorisIn]

When the United States admitted Nevada into the Union, Nevada became the Sovereign of its own Land.

No, it didn't.

Are you claiming that Nevada is a Unitary Administrative district of the Federal Government, instead of a Sovereign Member State of the Federal Union?

No, I'm claiming that the Federal government owns 80% of the land in the state, and the Constitution pretty explicitly gives control of that land to Congress.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.

As the word "Needful" is employed there. Show us why these Rules and Regulations are Needful?

 

[The2ndAmendment]

This sums up what I was trying to say. Anyone with a half a brain would have known that Article IV, Sec 3 is not applicable.

It is said the Constitution is “written in plain English”. This is true. However, plain English does not allow one to remove context. Article IV does not grant Congress the power to exercise sovereignty over land. Article IV deals exclusively with state-to-state relations such as protection from invasion, slavery, full faith and credit, creation of new states and so on.

Historically, the Property Clause delegated federal control over territorial lands up until the point when that land would be formed as a state. This was necessary during the time of the ratification of the Constitution due to the lack of westward development. The clause was drafted to constitutionalize the Northwest Ordinance, which the Articles of Confederation did not have the power to support. This ordinance gave the newly formed Congress the power to create new states instead of allowing the states themselves to expand their own land claims.

The Property Clause and Northwest Ordinance are both limited in power and scope. Once a state is formed and accepted in the union, the federal government no longer has control over land within the state’s borders. From this moment, such land is considered property of the sovereign state. The continental United States is now formed of fifty independent, sovereign states. No “unclaimed” lands are technically in existence. Therefore, the Property Clause no longer applies within the realm of federal control over these states.

The powers of Congress are found only in Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution. With the exception of the less than two dozen powers delegated to Congress found within Article I, Section 8, Congress may make no laws, cannot form political agencies and cannot take any actions that seek to regulate outside of these enumerated powers.

LOFTI: Who actually "owns" America's land? A deeper look at the Bundy Ranch crisis | Ben Swann Truth In Media

Leave it up to Progressive and Marxist propaganda artists like Doctorisin to contort the Constitution.

 

[jon_berzerk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXjWJyewjBU&feature=youtu.be

This weekend Citizens of the United States rallied and organized in Bunkerville, Nevada, in order to protect and defend our most precious right, the very foundation of the United States Constitution, the cornerstone of the Enlightenment that guided the minds of John Locke, James Madison and Thomas Jefferson. This is the right of Man to enjoy the fruits of his own labor; to be secure in his person, house and effects against unreasonable search and seizure; nor to have any Governmental agency confiscate his property without just compensation.

When the Government fails to protect this right, it is dysfunctional, and void of purpose; however, when a Government not only fails to protect right, but becomes the Transgressor itself, it ceases to be a Government at all, as it is now a Tyranny, run by ravenous madmen, sending “hither swarms of Officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance.”

The quote above is among the primary grievances listed in the Declaration of Independence, it describes an era of absurd and inane taxation for purpose of destroying and subjugating the American People (British subjects at the time). The reasons for the aggressive taxation by King George III were two-fold, the first cause being to support and maintain a “Multitude of New Offices” and the second cause to use those New Offices to “send hither swarms of Officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance."

Today we find are in the same situation. No man can even begin to list the myriad of Government agencies and bureaucracies, and the hundreds of thousands of copious regulations and innumerable codes created by unelected bureaucrats that are designed to needlessly, and often viciously, impoverish and ruin the livelihood, liberties and happiness of the ordinary Citizen. Verily, these Armies of Pencil Pushers cannot be for our benefit, as our country, nation and economy have been in dire straights for more than a decade. For all the Unhappiness and Misery that we, the Citizens of the United States, have endured, what Happiness and Fortune have we received in return parasitical and malign agencies? These Civil Servants are not Public Servants --- they are Public Masters, subordinate only to the wicked and rapacious men that style themselves as Congressman or Judges or Czars, or Chairmen or President.

For many years the Citizens of the United States have tolerated innumerable insults and degradations to their ways of life, and we turned the other cheek, as “Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.”

However, the Citizens of the United States can no longer suffer the perpetual savagery of the Federal Government, it has become a rogue and foreign regime, unaccountable to the American People, and thus has become spiteful and ferocious, an Engine of Tyranny that rides forth to Demolish and Pillage the Life, Liberty and Property of the People. This is antithetical to the purpose of Government: To secure the blessings of Life, Liberty and Property.

The culmination of this suffering led to Americans rallying to restore the Republic and the Rule of Law, as a well-regulated and disciplined Militia, in order to Preserve the Security of the Free State of Nevada, bearing their arms and munitions against the eavily equipped and armored faceless ghouls of Bureau of Land Management. Since when have executive agencies staffed by unelected phantoms have had the power and authority to used armed coercion to enforce their own regulations that were not even passed by Congress?

No, this abuse was the one among a “long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism” that finally resulted in Citizens of the United States, as Freemen, to exercise their Constitutional right to Bear Arms and Restore the Rule of Law from the Tyrants to which no Freeman should ever yield.

The malicious precedent of Kelo vs New London that allows elected Legislatures to steal and confiscate Property for private interests is heinous enough, but now the multitudinous Bureaucracies have also tried to seize such unlimited, unjust and unforgivable powers for themselves. They wished to impoverish this family into ruin, to tax them Unnecessarily and Improperly, a tax that was not even approved by the United States House of Representatives, and then seized his property without due process.

This is no simple abuse or misuse of power, but a usurpation of the Constitution, the expulsion of the People as the Popular Sovereigns, as enumerated by the Ninth Amendment. In order to secure and defend the Free State of Nevada, the Militia performed their “duty to throw off such Government.”

We have witnessed the incredible courage and tenacity of these brave men and women who stared into the evil eyes the armed and armored Faceless Federal Fiends, as they stormed their barricades under the threat of death, maiming or lifelong agony. These People are Heroes, they have fought and won the most important engagement since the Battle of Athens, Tennessee, during the McMinn County War.

We have seen the Citizens of the United States Restore the Rule of Law and preserve their Popular Sovereignty as Self-Governing Freemen: There is only one logical practice of the Second Amendment, and that is that it shall not be infringed. Any other practice is an absurdity, for it contradicts the very purpose of the Second Amendment in its entirety; it is the ultimate form of popular recourse against tyranny, and thus no potential tyrants may restrict it. The Second Amendment is the Supreme Sovereign; to surrender the Second Amendment, is to surrender the sovereignty of self-government. Molon Labe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhCheCryopA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v582kPp43Mg

FACELESS GHOULS

good set of photos

 

[jon_berzerk]

Welfare Ranching: The Subsidized Destruction of the American West



Bundy the taker didn't even want to pay the below-market grazing fees. He wanted freebies!

Where in the Constitution is the United States Government given the authority to administrate that land?

Article IV, Section 3, Clause 2.

The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.

it says Congress not some agency writing the rules

at last count harry has not got the gold butte through congress yet

The bill would create a 348,515-acre Gold Butte National Conservation Area to be managed by the Bureau of Land Management in a way that “conserves, protects and enhances” its natural, historical and scenic resources.

Reid introduces bill to create Gold Butte National Conservation Area | Las Vegas Review-Journal

 

[The2ndAmendment]

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it says Congress not some agency writing the rules

Good catch on that slimeball. How many ways did [MENTION=20452]theDoctorisIn[/MENTION] deliberately lie to defend his beloved Dear Leaders?