The Battle of Bunkerville: Restoring the Rule of Law

[jon_berzerk]

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it says Congress not some agency writing the rules

Good catch on that slimeball. How many ways did [MENTION=20452]theDoctorisIn[/MENTION] deliberately lie to defend his beloved Dear Leaders?

yeah the bill has not made it anywhere since last year


Sponsor: Sen. Reid, Harry [D-NV] (Introduced 05/23/2013)
Cosponsors: 0
Latest Action: 05/23/2013 Read twice and referred to the Committee on Energy and Natural Resources.
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S.1054 - Gold Butte National Conservation Area Act

To establish the Gold Butte National Conservation Area in Clark County,
Nevada in order to conserve, protect, and enhance the cultural,
archaeological, natural, wilderness, scientific, geological,
historical, biological, wildlife, educational, and scenic resources of
the area, to designate wilderness areas, and for other purposes.


_______________________________________________________________________


IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

May 23, 2013

Mr. Reid introduced the following bill; which was read twice and
referred to the Committee on Energy and Natural Resources

_______________________________________________________________________

A BILL



To establish the Gold Butte National Conservation Area in Clark County,
Nevada in order to conserve, protect, and enhance the cultural,
archaeological, natural, wilderness, scientific, geological,
historical, biological, wildlife, educational, and scenic resources of
the area, to designate wilderness areas, and for other purposes.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the
United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE; TABLE OF CONTENTS.

Text - S.1054 - 113th Congress (2013-2014): Gold Butte National Conservation Area Act | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

 

[bodecea]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXjWJyewjBU

This weekend Citizens of the United States rallied and organized in Bunkerville, Nevada, in order to protect and defend our most precious right, the very foundation of the United States Constitution, the cornerstone of the Enlightenment that guided the minds of John Locke, James Madison and Thomas Jefferson. This is the right of Man to enjoy the fruits of his own labor; to be secure in his person, house and effects against unreasonable search and seizure; nor to have any Governmental agency confiscate his property without just compensation.

When the Government fails to protect this right, it is dysfunctional, and void of purpose; however, when a Government not only fails to protect right, but becomes the Transgressor itself, it ceases to be a Government at all, as it is now a Tyranny, run by ravenous madmen, sending “hither swarms of Officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance.”

The quote above is among the primary grievances listed in the Declaration of Independence, it describes an era of absurd and inane taxation for purpose of destroying and subjugating the American People (British subjects at the time). The reasons for the aggressive taxation by King George III were two-fold, the first cause being to support and maintain a “Multitude of New Offices” and the second cause to use those New Offices to “send hither swarms of Officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance."

Today we find are in the same situation. No man can even begin to list the myriad of Government agencies and bureaucracies, and the hundreds of thousands of copious regulations and innumerable codes created by unelected bureaucrats that are designed to needlessly, and often viciously, impoverish and ruin the livelihood, liberties and happiness of the ordinary Citizen. Verily, these Armies of Pencil Pushers cannot be for our benefit, as our country, nation and economy have been in dire straights for more than a decade. For all the Unhappiness and Misery that we, the Citizens of the United States, have endured, what Happiness and Fortune have we received in return parasitical and malign agencies? These Civil Servants are not Public Servants --- they are Public Masters, subordinate only to the wicked and rapacious men that style themselves as Congressman or Judges or Czars, or Chairmen or President.

For many years the Citizens of the United States have tolerated innumerable insults and degradations to their ways of life, and we turned the other cheek, as “Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.”

However, the Citizens of the United States can no longer suffer the perpetual savagery of the Federal Government, it has become a rogue and foreign regime, unaccountable to the American People, and thus has become spiteful and ferocious, an Engine of Tyranny that rides forth to Demolish and Pillage the Life, Liberty and Property of the People. This is antithetical to the purpose of Government: To secure the blessings of Life, Liberty and Property.

The culmination of this suffering led to Americans rallying to restore the Republic and the Rule of Law, as a well-regulated and disciplined Militia, in order to Preserve the Security of the Free State of Nevada, bearing their arms and munitions against the eavily equipped and armored faceless ghouls of Bureau of Land Management. Since when have executive agencies staffed by unelected phantoms have had the power and authority to used armed coercion to enforce their own regulations that were not even passed by Congress?

No, this abuse was the one among a “long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism” that finally resulted in Citizens of the United States, as Freemen, to exercise their Constitutional right to Bear Arms and Restore the Rule of Law from the Tyrants to which no Freeman should ever yield.

The malicious precedent of Kelo vs New London that allows elected Legislatures to steal and confiscate Property for private interests is heinous enough, but now the multitudinous Bureaucracies have also tried to seize such unlimited, unjust and unforgivable powers for themselves. They wished to impoverish this family into ruin, to tax them Unnecessarily and Improperly, a tax that was not even approved by the United States House of Representatives, and then seized his property without due process.

This is no simple abuse or misuse of power, but a usurpation of the Constitution, the expulsion of the People as the Popular Sovereigns, as enumerated by the Ninth Amendment. In order to secure and defend the Free State of Nevada, the Militia performed their “duty to throw off such Government.”

We have witnessed the incredible courage and tenacity of these brave men and women who stared into the evil eyes the armed and armored Faceless Federal Fiends, as they stormed their barricades under the threat of death, maiming or lifelong agony. These People are Heroes, they have fought and won the most important engagement since the Battle of Athens, Tennessee, during the McMinn County War.

We have seen the Citizens of the United States Restore the Rule of Law and preserve their Popular Sovereignty as Self-Governing Freemen: There is only one logical practice of the Second Amendment, and that is that it shall not be infringed. Any other practice is an absurdity, for it contradicts the very purpose of the Second Amendment in its entirety; it is the ultimate form of popular recourse against tyranny, and thus no potential tyrants may restrict it. The Second Amendment is the Supreme Sovereign; to surrender the Second Amendment, is to surrender the sovereignty of self-government. Molon Labe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhCheCryopA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v582kPp43Mg

FACELESS GHOULS

Battle, eh? Who shot who?

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Battle, eh? Who shot who?

"The War of Women" which women got shot?

Shall I change it to "War" instead since that what lefties say?

He died after a "battle with cancer" was there a shooting war between the T cells and cancer cells?

In this case there is actually was a confrontation that involved both parties pointing guns at each other.

Gtfo commie loon.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

This sums up what I was trying to say. Anyone with a half a brain would have known that Article IV, Sec 3 is not applicable.

It is said the Constitution is “written in plain English”. This is true. However, plain English does not allow one to remove context. Article IV does not grant Congress the power to exercise sovereignty over land. Article IV deals exclusively with state-to-state relations such as protection from invasion, slavery, full faith and credit, creation of new states and so on.

Historically, the Property Clause delegated federal control over territorial lands up until the point when that land would be formed as a state. This was necessary during the time of the ratification of the Constitution due to the lack of westward development. The clause was drafted to constitutionalize the Northwest Ordinance, which the Articles of Confederation did not have the power to support. This ordinance gave the newly formed Congress the power to create new states instead of allowing the states themselves to expand their own land claims.

The Property Clause and Northwest Ordinance are both limited in power and scope. Once a state is formed and accepted in the union, the federal government no longer has control over land within the state’s borders. From this moment, such land is considered property of the sovereign state. The continental United States is now formed of fifty independent, sovereign states. No “unclaimed” lands are technically in existence. Therefore, the Property Clause no longer applies within the realm of federal control over these states.

The powers of Congress are found only in Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution. With the exception of the less than two dozen powers delegated to Congress found within Article I, Section 8, Congress may make no laws, cannot form political agencies and cannot take any actions that seek to regulate outside of these enumerated powers.

LOFTI: Who actually "owns" America's land? A deeper look at the Bundy Ranch crisis | Ben Swann Truth In Media

Leave it up to Progressive and Marxist propaganda artists like Doctorisin to contort the Constitution.

Do my eyes deceive me, or are you really arguing that the Constitution should NOT be taken literally?

Or should it only be taken literally when it says what you want it to, and it should be "interpreted" when it says something you don't like?

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Where in the Constitution is the United States Government given the authority to administrate that land?

Article IV, Section 3, Clause 2.

The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.

it says Congress not some agency writing the rules

at last count harry has not got the gold butte through congress yet

The bill would create a 348,515-acre Gold Butte National Conservation Area to be managed by the Bureau of Land Management in a way that “conserves, protects and enhances” its natural, historical and scenic resources.

Reid introduces bill to create Gold Butte National Conservation Area | Las Vegas Review-Journal

Congress passed a law creating the BLM back in 1946, and giving them the power to manage the land.

This isn't in question - the law is the law, no matter how much you guys pretend that it's not - and it's very clearly explained in the Constitution that its completely within Congress' power.

 

[Plasmaball]

The OP is a joke right? Satire? Seeing how Bundy ignored the rule of law.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The Feds have now identified every one of interest and they will be rounded up in the next week and introduced to the system.

 

[peach174]

No, it didn't.

Are you claiming that Nevada is a Unitary Administrative district of the Federal Government, instead of a Sovereign Member State of the Federal Union?

No, I'm claiming that the Federal government owns 80% of the land in the state, and the Constitution pretty explicitly gives control of that land to Congress.

Congress gave that control away when they passed the Federal Land Policy & Management Act in 1976.
It gave all the power to the BLM now they can do whatever they want.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Are you claiming that Nevada is a Unitary Administrative district of the Federal Government, instead of a Sovereign Member State of the Federal Union?

No, I'm claiming that the Federal government owns 80% of the land in the state, and the Constitution pretty explicitly gives control of that land to Congress.

Congress gave that control away when they passed the Federal Land Policy & Management Act in 1976.
It gave all the power to the BLM now they can do whatever they want.

I believe the power was delegated to the BLM long before that, when it was created in 1946.

Aside from that, we agree.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

The Updated Declaration of Intolerable Acts

he history of the self styled King of the United States of America is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused to enforce the laws duly passed by the People through Congress and instead chosen which he would enforce and which he would not, or which he would change to his own benefit
He has sued the Governors of States when they passed laws of immediate and pressing importance to the People of that State and prevented these govenors from carrying out the People’s business.
He has refused to meet with lawmakers unless he has a guarantee that the Will of the people they represent will be submerged to his own forcing those people to relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has refused to protect our borders and invited all manner of murderers thieves and terrorists into the country and further forced the People of the United States to support the very people who intend to harm them.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.
He has combined with other nations and the United Nations to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent by concealing those taxes in reams of unimportant legislation.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign immigrant Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has divided the people and excited domestic insurrections amongst us.
He has seized the education of children indoctrinating them instead of educating them.
He has directed his forces to harass our Citizens in the form of their worship.
We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends

My bet is [MENTION=33658]Katzndogz[/MENTION] plagiarized this because he's stupid enough to believe it but not near smart enough to have written it.

Between this and the idiotic OP - this thread will make history as the smelliest pile of dog doo we've seen in a while.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

The OP is a joke right? Satire? Seeing how Bundy ignored the rule of law.

He had his day(s) in court.

This was his decision and his alone.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

This isn't in question - the law is the law, no matter how much you guys pretend that it's not - and it's very clearly explained in the Constitution that its completely within Congress' power.

The Constitution does not allow Congress to delegate it's legislative powers to unelected agencies. The SCOTUS never would have set this precedent if Emperor FDR didn't threaten to pack the Courts in order to force the SCOTUS into ruling in favor of unlimited and unaccountable bureaucratic power. Since you invoked literal interpretation of the Constitution, you are bound to what I have stated and must recognize the fallacy of the 1930's-1940's Court decisions on this topic.

Nor do I believe in "literal interpretation" of the Constitution, which is a common leftist contortion of what Constitutionalists promote, since the "literal meaning" varies according to perspective. "Original Intent" is what Constitutionalists promote, it's it's not difficult to discern "original intent" by examining historical sources such as committees, hearings, debates and journals that pertain to each clause of the Constitution. A Constitutionalist also recognizes that the "original meaning" is the ONLY meaning unless it is amended. Each clause of the Constitution that has not been altered by Amendment retains the same meaning as it did when it was written.

 

[TemplarKormac]

The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.

When the United States admitted Nevada into the Union, Nevada became the Sovereign of its own Land, even if the Feds own portions of it.

He's right, doc.

How can a state be sovereign when 86% of it's land is owned by the government?

In New York v. United States 505 U.S. 144 (1992) the "Take Title" provision of the Low-Level Radioactive Waste Policy Amendments Act, passed in 1985, was deemed unconstitutional. In it, the court ruled that the government cannot commandeer state governments to participate in a federal regulatory program, or as it can be construed, any programs; nor force them to legislate according to it's scheme. This case acknowledges state sovereignty, as granted by the 10th Amendment. Government cannot force states to do anything that violates their constitutional rights. This was also the case in Mack and Printz v. United States, 521 U.S. 898 (1997), which ironically dealt a blow to gun control activism.

 

[NYcarbineer]

When the United States admitted Nevada into the Union, Nevada became the Sovereign of its own Land.

No, it didn't.

Are you claiming that Nevada is a Unitary Administrative district of the Federal Government, instead of a Sovereign Member State of the Federal Union?

Federal lands are owned by the Federal government. That is concept one would think would be simple enough for anyone to understand.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

When the United States admitted Nevada into the Union, Nevada became the Sovereign of its own Land, even if the Feds own portions of it.

He's right, doc.

How can a state be sovereign when 86% of it's land is owned by the government?

In New York v. United States 505 U.S. 144 (1992) the "Take Title" provision of the Low-Level Radioactive Waste Policy Amendments Act, passed in 1985, was deemed unconstitutional. In it, the court ruled that the government cannot commandeer state governments to participate in a federal regulatory program, or as it can be construed, any programs; nor force them to legislate according to it's scheme. This case acknowledges state sovereignty, as granted by the 10th Amendment. Government cannot force states to do anything that violates their constitutional rights. This was also the case in Mack and Printz v. United States, 521 U.S. 898 (1997), which ironically dealt a blow to gun control activism.

How is that relevant? The federal government isn't forcing the state of Nevada to do anything at all.

 

[OnePercenter]

I think it's amazing that there are so many STUPID people in this country! Bundy is a multimillionaire trying to fuck taxpayers out of monies he owes. Are these people really this STUPID?!

 

[KNB]

Right from the start this was a stupid discussion. Bundy wasn't defending his "right to be secure in his person, house, papers or effects". His cattle were not on his property. That's how this whole thing started.

What the fuck is wrong with you people?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Are you claiming that Nevada is a Unitary Administrative district of the Federal Government, instead of a Sovereign Member State of the Federal Union?

No, I'm claiming that the Federal government owns 80% of the land in the state, and the Constitution pretty explicitly gives control of that land to Congress.

Congress gave that control away when they passed the Federal Land Policy & Management Act in 1976.
It gave all the power to the BLM now they can do whatever they want.

BLM already has had the power since it was created.

 

[JakeStarkey]

When the United States admitted Nevada into the Union, Nevada became the Sovereign of its own Land, even if the Feds own portions of it.

He's right, doc.

How can a state be sovereign when 86% of it's land is owned by the government?

In New York v. United States 505 U.S. 144 (1992) the "Take Title" provision of the Low-Level Radioactive Waste Policy Amendments Act, passed in 1985, was deemed unconstitutional. In it, the court ruled that the government cannot commandeer state governments to participate in a federal regulatory program, or as it can be construed, any programs; nor force them to legislate according to it's scheme. This case acknowledges state sovereignty, as granted by the 10th Amendment. Government cannot force states to do anything that violates their constitutional rights. This was also the case in Mack and Printz v. United States, 521 U.S. 898 (1997), which ironically dealt a blow to gun control activism.

TK, does the land in question belong to BLM? The BLM can do what it wants with its land, including telling Bundy, "if you won't pay, get out and give us your cattle."

 

[Katzndogz]

The Battle of Bunkerville or the rise of the fed up.

The left doesn't begin to realize what's happening. Cliven Bundy is really just an example of the cumulative disgust the people are developing against the government. It's not this ranch. It's everything. It's Benghazi, NSA abuse, It's everything. Every one is carrying their own grievances. That's what the left is missing.