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Wow, you know nothing about finance.

Just looking at the first one. Increasing directly on taxes on stocks doesn't reduce their value. You seriously just said that. I mean wow. So income taxes don't reduce the value of your salary. You're so stupid it's funny.

No wonder you called yourself Winston when you're on the side of big government

Can you pay attention. I listed six things, I asked you to determine which of them actually affected the value of a stock. You didn't even read the first one right. Biden announces PLANS. Actually the first one was a very simple example of exactly what your discussion concerned. The price of stocks would probably fall, but the value of the stocks would not change, if plans for a tax increase were ANNOUNCED.

And then your rant reveals your ignorance concerning finance, especially when it comes to stock valuation. In fact, it is kind of like the paycheck thing you were talking about. When you apply to a job, or for a promotion, does the company describe the pay in after tax dollars? Do they pay a single person more than a married person in order to keep the take home pay equal? If pay was expressed in after tax dollars what would that imply about equal pay for equal work? Pay is the "value" of the work, and taxes vary from person to person.

The same holds true for stocks. Rather it is the dividend discount model or comparable company analysis, the capital gains rate never even fits into the equations or analysis. The "value" of the stock is independent of the tax placed on the gains when sold. The price could be affected, but not the value.

I use the discounted cash flow model, and supplement it with comparable company analysis. Both the DCF and the DDM incorporate an important number, with that hint I now ask you to point to the one item out of the six I listed that actually affects the value of a stock.

I mean this is some really basic stuff, like BUSI 102 level. But you have already revealed that you have absolutely zero financial education. You might be able to balance a checkbook, but that is about the extent of your financial expertise.

Hell, I will help you out. Only one of the six things listed would actually change the value of stocks.

You're just playing games. You said you could list a page full of current events that changed stock prices that didn't affect value. Now you give a list and say you aren't saying which affect what.

You've shown you know zero about stocks. I read your first one and it was totally stupid. As for your comment on that one, it was binary. Biden announcing plans to increase capital gains tax or raising them would both affect stock prices. Sure, it would be more impact if it was actually passed, but as a binary question, both would impact stocks, and rightly so as both would reduce the value of shares
 
The libs didn't give Trump credit for his economy for three years...it was still Obama's in their fucked up heads...but now in less than half a year its Joe's economy?????....I don't think so...when it crashes then it will be Joe's...and the crash is coming...and you all had better be ready for it....don't let it take you by surprise like in 08 after Pelosi and Reid killed it.....
GWB killed it starting 07' loser.
Bush was a coward...an old school get along with them RINO....the master minds of the 08 collapse are Pelosi Reid and Schumer....forced banks to lend to unqualified folks and bad loans went belly up and banks were caught in the middle....they could not sell these bad loans to anyone...that affected the market and it collapsed....its coming again...hope you are ready...

I would suggest you watch the Big Short. The mortgage crisis was caused by Phil Gramm, James Leach, and Thomas Bliley, three Republicans, and it was called the Gramm, Leach, Bliley act. Look it up. Learn something.
 
The libs didn't give Trump credit for his economy for three years...it was still Obama's in their fucked up heads...but now in less than half a year its Joe's economy?????....I don't think so...when it crashes then it will be Joe's...and the crash is coming...and you all had better be ready for it....don't let it take you by surprise like in 08 after Pelosi and Reid killed it.....
GWB killed it starting 07' loser.
Bush was a coward...an old school get along with them RINO....the master minds of the 08 collapse are Pelosi Reid and Schumer....forced banks to lend to unqualified folks and bad loans went belly up and banks were caught in the middle....they could not sell these bad loans to anyone...that affected the market and it collapsed....its coming again...hope you are ready...

Stop with the lies wanker.


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What lies?...the invisible ones you charged Trump with?....

Was he Impeached twice?

Yes, yes he was.

Yes, Trump was impeached twice. It was part of the fascist Democrats Nazification of America. That continues today as they sends the SS in for Giuliani
Is there a chance that comparisons to Hitlers Germany are somehow relevant here?

No.
Really?...conform or else?...wake up....
Many past and present societies demand conformity yet you keep referring to the German one.

Why is that?
 
Yes, Trump was impeached twice. It was part of the fascist Democrats Nazification of America. That continues today as they sends the SS in for Giuliani
Is there a chance that comparisons to Hitlers Germany are somehow relevant here?

No.

Something you never said to any Democrat ever, LOL.

And yes. Democrats have turned to threats, intimidation and violence to silence your opposition and are just stealing elections. You are fascists, the real thing
Fascism only plays on the right side of the political scale doofus.
 
Wow, you know nothing about finance.

Just looking at the first one. Increasing directly on taxes on stocks doesn't reduce their value. You seriously just said that. I mean wow. So income taxes don't reduce the value of your salary. You're so stupid it's funny.

No wonder you called yourself Winston when you're on the side of big government

Can you pay attention. I listed six things, I asked you to determine which of them actually affected the value of a stock. You didn't even read the first one right. Biden announces PLANS. Actually the first one was a very simple example of exactly what your discussion concerned. The price of stocks would probably fall, but the value of the stocks would not change, if plans for a tax increase were ANNOUNCED.

And then your rant reveals your ignorance concerning finance, especially when it comes to stock valuation. In fact, it is kind of like the paycheck thing you were talking about. When you apply to a job, or for a promotion, does the company describe the pay in after tax dollars? Do they pay a single person more than a married person in order to keep the take home pay equal? If pay was expressed in after tax dollars what would that imply about equal pay for equal work? Pay is the "value" of the work, and taxes vary from person to person.

The same holds true for stocks. Rather it is the dividend discount model or comparable company analysis, the capital gains rate never even fits into the equations or analysis. The "value" of the stock is independent of the tax placed on the gains when sold. The price could be affected, but not the value.

I use the discounted cash flow model, and supplement it with comparable company analysis. Both the DCF and the DDM incorporate an important number, with that hint I now ask you to point to the one item out of the six I listed that actually affects the value of a stock.

I mean this is some really basic stuff, like BUSI 102 level. But you have already revealed that you have absolutely zero financial education. You might be able to balance a checkbook, but that is about the extent of your financial expertise.

Hell, I will help you out. Only one of the six things listed would actually change the value of stocks.

You're just playing games. You said you could list a page full of current events that changed stock prices that didn't affect value. Now you give a list and say you aren't saying which affect what.

You've shown you know zero about stocks. I read your first one and it was totally stupid. As for your comment on that one, it was binary. Biden announcing plans to increase capital gains tax or raising them would both affect stock prices. Sure, it would be more impact if it was actually passed, but as a binary question, both would impact stocks, and rightly so as both would reduce the value of shares

NO, NO, NO. You are not paying attention. The capital gains rate DOES NOT, I repeat again, DOES NOT, affect the VALUE of a stock. The price, yes, for sure. Dammit, you have some serious reading comprehension problems. You show me where in the DCF or the DDM that the capital gains rate is a variable. Show me where the capital gains rate plays a factor in comparable company analysis. And after all my hints, if you can't pick out the ONE, the single ONE, of the six cases I listed that actually affect value, then you are dumber than a box of rocks. Which is forgivable, but willfully ignorant, when someone is patient enough to try and teach you something, well that is just being STUPID. You are nothing but an internet troll.
 
The libs didn't give Trump credit for his economy for three years...it was still Obama's in their fucked up heads...but now in less than half a year its Joe's economy?????....I don't think so...when it crashes then it will be Joe's...and the crash is coming...and you all had better be ready for it....don't let it take you by surprise like in 08 after Pelosi and Reid killed it.....
GWB killed it starting 07' loser.
Bush was a coward...an old school get along with them RINO....the master minds of the 08 collapse are Pelosi Reid and Schumer....forced banks to lend to unqualified folks and bad loans went belly up and banks were caught in the middle....they could not sell these bad loans to anyone...that affected the market and it collapsed....its coming again...hope you are ready...

Stop with the lies wanker.


View attachment 484876
What lies?...the invisible ones you charged Trump with?....

Was he Impeached twice?

Yes, yes he was.

Yes, Trump was impeached twice. It was part of the fascist Democrats Nazification of America. That continues today as they sends the SS in for Giuliani
Is there a chance that comparisons to Hitlers Germany are somehow relevant here?

No.
Really?...conform or else?...wake up....
Many past and present societies demand conformity yet you keep referring to the German one.

Why is that?
I've never referred to the "German one" but it is a good example of where this kind of daddy government will end up if unchecked...and so far the law enforcers in this nation are frozen silent....afraid I presume...or corrupted more likely....Obama wasn't just playing golf...he was stacking the deck in DC....
 
Yes, Trump was impeached twice. It was part of the fascist Democrats Nazification of America. That continues today as they sends the SS in for Giuliani
Is there a chance that comparisons to Hitlers Germany are somehow relevant here?

No.

Something you never said to any Democrat ever, LOL.

And yes. Democrats have turned to threats, intimidation and violence to silence your opposition and are just stealing elections. You are fascists, the real thing
Fascism only plays on the right side of the political scale doofus.

Nazi stood for the socialist party and they were socialists, dufous.

My God you people are stupid. Bu-bu-but no kaz, the Nazis were free market capitalists ... No they weren't, moron. Germany was a government controlled socialist country no matter how badly you want to rewrite history. There was nothing right wing about the Nazis at all
 
The libs didn't give Trump credit for his economy for three years...it was still Obama's in their fucked up heads...but now in less than half a year its Joe's economy?????....I don't think so...when it crashes then it will be Joe's...and the crash is coming...and you all had better be ready for it....don't let it take you by surprise like in 08 after Pelosi and Reid killed it.....
GWB killed it starting 07' loser.
Bush was a coward...an old school get along with them RINO....the master minds of the 08 collapse are Pelosi Reid and Schumer....forced banks to lend to unqualified folks and bad loans went belly up and banks were caught in the middle....they could not sell these bad loans to anyone...that affected the market and it collapsed....its coming again...hope you are ready...

Stop with the lies wanker.


View attachment 484876
What lies?...the invisible ones you charged Trump with?....

Was he Impeached twice?

Yes, yes he was.

Yes, Trump was impeached twice. It was part of the fascist Democrats Nazification of America. That continues today as they sends the SS in for Giuliani
Is there a chance that comparisons to Hitlers Germany are somehow relevant here?

No.
Really?...conform or else?...wake up....
Many past and present societies demand conformity yet you keep referring to the German one.

Why is that?
I've never referred to the "German one" but it is a good example of where this kind of daddy government will end up if unchecked...and so far the law enforcers in this nation are frozen silent....afraid I presume...or corrupted more likely....Obama wasn't just playing golf...he was stacking the deck in DC....
Does that post have a point?
 
The libs didn't give Trump credit for his economy for three years...it was still Obama's in their fucked up heads...but now in less than half a year its Joe's economy?????....I don't think so...when it crashes then it will be Joe's...and the crash is coming...and you all had better be ready for it....don't let it take you by surprise like in 08 after Pelosi and Reid killed it.....
GWB killed it starting 07' loser.
Bush was a coward...an old school get along with them RINO....the master minds of the 08 collapse are Pelosi Reid and Schumer....forced banks to lend to unqualified folks and bad loans went belly up and banks were caught in the middle....they could not sell these bad loans to anyone...that affected the market and it collapsed....its coming again...hope you are ready...

Stop with the lies wanker.


View attachment 484876
What lies?...the invisible ones you charged Trump with?....

Was he Impeached twice?

Yes, yes he was.

Yes, Trump was impeached twice. It was part of the fascist Democrats Nazification of America. That continues today as they sends the SS in for Giuliani
Is there a chance that comparisons to Hitlers Germany are somehow relevant here?

No.
Really?...conform or else?...wake up....
Many past and present societies demand conformity yet you keep referring to the German one.

Why is that?
I've never referred to the "German one" but it is a good example of where this kind of daddy government will end up if unchecked...and so far the law enforcers in this nation are frozen silent....afraid I presume...or corrupted more likely....Obama wasn't just playing golf...he was stacking the deck in DC....
Does that post have a point?
Sure...it points the the fact that you were wrong in your assumption's...as usual....
 
Yes, Trump was impeached twice. It was part of the fascist Democrats Nazification of America. That continues today as they sends the SS in for Giuliani
Is there a chance that comparisons to Hitlers Germany are somehow relevant here?

No.

Something you never said to any Democrat ever, LOL.

And yes. Democrats have turned to threats, intimidation and violence to silence your opposition and are just stealing elections. You are fascists, the real thing
Fascism only plays on the right side of the political scale doofus.

Nazi stood for the socialist party and they were socialists, dufous.

My God you people are stupid. Bu-bu-but no kaz, the Nazis were free market capitalists ... No they weren't, moron. Germany was a government controlled socialist country no matter how badly you want to rewrite history. There was nothing right wing about the Nazis at all
Your really caught up in European names for their political parties. You shouldn't be if you claim to understand them or their history.
 
You're just playing games. You said you could list a page full of current events that changed stock prices that didn't affect value. Now you give a list and say you aren't saying which affect what.

You've shown you know zero about stocks. I read your first one and it was totally stupid. As for your comment on that one, it was binary. Biden announcing plans to increase capital gains tax or raising them would both affect stock prices. Sure, it would be more impact if it was actually passed, but as a binary question, both would impact stocks, and rightly so as both would reduce the value of shares

NO, NO, NO. You are not paying attention. The capital gains rate DOES NOT, I repeat again, DOES NOT, affect the VALUE of a stock. The price, yes, for sure. Dammit, you have some serious reading comprehension problems. You show me where in the DCF or the DDM that the capital gains rate is a variable. Show me where the capital gains rate plays a factor in comparable company analysis. And after all my hints, if you can't pick out the ONE, the single ONE, of the six cases I listed that actually affect value, then you are dumber than a box of rocks. Which is forgivable, but willfully ignorant, when someone is patient enough to try and teach you something, well that is just being STUPID. You are nothing but an internet troll.

You're just making up your own definition for words, it has nothing to do with the field of finance and it doesn't make sense. You're arguing the exact same thing as that income taxes don't reduce the value of your income. It's stupid as shit.

How's explaining medicine to doctors working out for you?

I always like now it alls who know nothing. You are Cliff Clavin

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The libs didn't give Trump credit for his economy for three years...it was still Obama's in their fucked up heads...but now in less than half a year its Joe's economy?????....I don't think so...when it crashes then it will be Joe's...and the crash is coming...and you all had better be ready for it....don't let it take you by surprise like in 08 after Pelosi and Reid killed it.....
GWB killed it starting 07' loser.
Bush was a coward...an old school get along with them RINO....the master minds of the 08 collapse are Pelosi Reid and Schumer....forced banks to lend to unqualified folks and bad loans went belly up and banks were caught in the middle....they could not sell these bad loans to anyone...that affected the market and it collapsed....its coming again...hope you are ready...

Stop with the lies wanker.


View attachment 484876
What lies?...the invisible ones you charged Trump with?....

Was he Impeached twice?

Yes, yes he was.

Yes, Trump was impeached twice. It was part of the fascist Democrats Nazification of America. That continues today as they sends the SS in for Giuliani
Is there a chance that comparisons to Hitlers Germany are somehow relevant here?

No.
Really?...conform or else?...wake up....
Many past and present societies demand conformity yet you keep referring to the German one.

Why is that?
I've never referred to the "German one" but it is a good example of where this kind of daddy government will end up if unchecked...and so far the law enforcers in this nation are frozen silent....afraid I presume...or corrupted more likely....Obama wasn't just playing golf...he was stacking the deck in DC....
Does that post have a point?
Sure...it points the the fact that you were wrong in your assumption's...as usual....
You just threw some digital diarrhea up there that you propably post on 8klan all the time.

What does it mean?
 
You're just playing games. You said you could list a page full of current events that changed stock prices that didn't affect value. Now you give a list and say you aren't saying which affect what.

You've shown you know zero about stocks. I read your first one and it was totally stupid. As for your comment on that one, it was binary. Biden announcing plans to increase capital gains tax or raising them would both affect stock prices. Sure, it would be more impact if it was actually passed, but as a binary question, both would impact stocks, and rightly so as both would reduce the value of shares

NO, NO, NO. You are not paying attention. The capital gains rate DOES NOT, I repeat again, DOES NOT, affect the VALUE of a stock. The price, yes, for sure. Dammit, you have some serious reading comprehension problems. You show me where in the DCF or the DDM that the capital gains rate is a variable. Show me where the capital gains rate plays a factor in comparable company analysis. And after all my hints, if you can't pick out the ONE, the single ONE, of the six cases I listed that actually affect value, then you are dumber than a box of rocks. Which is forgivable, but willfully ignorant, when someone is patient enough to try and teach you something, well that is just being STUPID. You are nothing but an internet troll.

You're just making up your own definition for words, it has nothing to do with the field of finance and it doesn't make sense. You're arguing the exact same thing as that income taxes don't reduce the value of your income. It's stupid as shit.

How's explaining medicine to doctors working out for you?

I always like now it alls who know nothing. You are Cliff Clavin

View attachment 484896

LMAO. Everything I have stated is nothing but finance. But hey, I understand why you can't comprehend that the "value" of your income is the gross pay of your salary, and not the net. Just like the "value" of the stock is the cash flow projected of the company, discounted for present value, over the next ten years. You are such a self-absorbed little bitch that you can't possibly comprehend anything other than through how it affects you. So the "value" of your salary is just what you bring home. Who gives two shits about what that take home pay would be for anyone else. Same for stocks. You don't give a damn about the "value" of a stock. You just want to get back more money than you put in. Good luck with that.

And I got to admit, you might want to try a new trick. That shit about explaining medicine to doctors is getting old, and it is stupid. Please come up with something else. I mean there are thousands of people without medical degrees that explain medicine to doctors, their called drug reps. And drug companies spend millions and millions of dollars advertising their drugs so, yep, patients can explain medicine to their doctors.

Truth is, you need to find a new hobby. This messageboard shit ain't working to good for you. At this point you are looking like a fool. Trying to show you know more about finance than someone with, well screw it. The information I have provided you is basic finance. Anyone with even a minimal amount of financial literacy can see it. You can lead a horse to water, you just can't make them drink.
 
You're just playing games. You said you could list a page full of current events that changed stock prices that didn't affect value. Now you give a list and say you aren't saying which affect what.

You've shown you know zero about stocks. I read your first one and it was totally stupid. As for your comment on that one, it was binary. Biden announcing plans to increase capital gains tax or raising them would both affect stock prices. Sure, it would be more impact if it was actually passed, but as a binary question, both would impact stocks, and rightly so as both would reduce the value of shares

NO, NO, NO. You are not paying attention. The capital gains rate DOES NOT, I repeat again, DOES NOT, affect the VALUE of a stock. The price, yes, for sure. Dammit, you have some serious reading comprehension problems. You show me where in the DCF or the DDM that the capital gains rate is a variable. Show me where the capital gains rate plays a factor in comparable company analysis. And after all my hints, if you can't pick out the ONE, the single ONE, of the six cases I listed that actually affect value, then you are dumber than a box of rocks. Which is forgivable, but willfully ignorant, when someone is patient enough to try and teach you something, well that is just being STUPID. You are nothing but an internet troll.

You're just making up your own definition for words, it has nothing to do with the field of finance and it doesn't make sense. You're arguing the exact same thing as that income taxes don't reduce the value of your income. It's stupid as shit.

How's explaining medicine to doctors working out for you?

I always like now it alls who know nothing. You are Cliff Clavin

View attachment 484896

LMAO. Everything I have stated is nothing but finance. But hey, I understand why you can't comprehend that the "value" of your income is the gross pay of your salary, and not the net. Just like the "value" of the stock is the cash flow projected of the company, discounted for present value, over the next ten years. You are such a self-absorbed little bitch that you can't possibly comprehend anything other than through how it affects you. So the "value" of your salary is just what you bring home. Who gives two shits about what that take home pay would be for anyone else. Same for stocks. You don't give a damn about the "value" of a stock. You just want to get back more money than you put in. Good luck with that.

And I got to admit, you might want to try a new trick. That shit about explaining medicine to doctors is getting old, and it is stupid. Please come up with something else. I mean there are thousands of people without medical degrees that explain medicine to doctors, their called drug reps. And drug companies spend millions and millions of dollars advertising their drugs so, yep, patients can explain medicine to their doctors.

Truth is, you need to find a new hobby. This messageboard shit ain't working to good for you. At this point you are looking like a fool. Trying to show you know more about finance than someone with, well screw it. The information I have provided you is basic finance. Anyone with even a minimal amount of financial literacy can see it. You can lead a horse to water, you just can't make them drink.

You're making up your own finance definitions. Since we were talking about stock prices, the only meaningful "value" would be "value to investors" in context of the discussion. It makes no sense saying value to someone else doesn't affect stock prices. That's a so the fuck what? I'll let you keep explaining medicine to doctors because you know everything about everything. Except you don't, you just think you do, Cliff Clavin.
 
You're just playing games. You said you could list a page full of current events that changed stock prices that didn't affect value. Now you give a list and say you aren't saying which affect what.

You've shown you know zero about stocks. I read your first one and it was totally stupid. As for your comment on that one, it was binary. Biden announcing plans to increase capital gains tax or raising them would both affect stock prices. Sure, it would be more impact if it was actually passed, but as a binary question, both would impact stocks, and rightly so as both would reduce the value of shares

NO, NO, NO. You are not paying attention. The capital gains rate DOES NOT, I repeat again, DOES NOT, affect the VALUE of a stock. The price, yes, for sure. Dammit, you have some serious reading comprehension problems. You show me where in the DCF or the DDM that the capital gains rate is a variable. Show me where the capital gains rate plays a factor in comparable company analysis. And after all my hints, if you can't pick out the ONE, the single ONE, of the six cases I listed that actually affect value, then you are dumber than a box of rocks. Which is forgivable, but willfully ignorant, when someone is patient enough to try and teach you something, well that is just being STUPID. You are nothing but an internet troll.

You're just making up your own definition for words, it has nothing to do with the field of finance and it doesn't make sense. You're arguing the exact same thing as that income taxes don't reduce the value of your income. It's stupid as shit.

How's explaining medicine to doctors working out for you?

I always like now it alls who know nothing. You are Cliff Clavin

View attachment 484896

LMAO. Everything I have stated is nothing but finance. But hey, I understand why you can't comprehend that the "value" of your income is the gross pay of your salary, and not the net. Just like the "value" of the stock is the cash flow projected of the company, discounted for present value, over the next ten years. You are such a self-absorbed little bitch that you can't possibly comprehend anything other than through how it affects you. So the "value" of your salary is just what you bring home. Who gives two shits about what that take home pay would be for anyone else. Same for stocks. You don't give a damn about the "value" of a stock. You just want to get back more money than you put in. Good luck with that.

And I got to admit, you might want to try a new trick. That shit about explaining medicine to doctors is getting old, and it is stupid. Please come up with something else. I mean there are thousands of people without medical degrees that explain medicine to doctors, their called drug reps. And drug companies spend millions and millions of dollars advertising their drugs so, yep, patients can explain medicine to their doctors.

Truth is, you need to find a new hobby. This messageboard shit ain't working to good for you. At this point you are looking like a fool. Trying to show you know more about finance than someone with, well screw it. The information I have provided you is basic finance. Anyone with even a minimal amount of financial literacy can see it. You can lead a horse to water, you just can't make them drink.

I have to ask since I keep wondering how someone as stupid as you can successfully logs onto the internet.

You're on the team arguing that stock prices can change only by emotion. Your argument is that the value didn't change, ergo, it was changed by emotion. But now, you're saying value does NOT mean value to the investor who bought the stock, it is to someone else, you never said who.

So then how does it make sense that if value is not value to the investor buying the stock, that the stock changed value on emotion? How are you even supporting the point you are arguing?
 
The libs didn't give Trump credit for his economy for three years...it was still Obama's in their fucked up heads...but now in less than half a year its Joe's economy?????....I don't think so...when it crashes then it will be Joe's...and the crash is coming...and you all had better be ready for it....don't let it take you by surprise like in 08 after Pelosi and Reid killed it.....
GWB killed it starting 07' loser.
Bush was a coward...an old school get along with them RINO....the master minds of the 08 collapse are Pelosi Reid and Schumer....forced banks to lend to unqualified folks and bad loans went belly up and banks were caught in the middle....they could not sell these bad loans to anyone...that affected the market and it collapsed....its coming again...hope you are ready...

Don't forget Obama.
He got his start here in Chicago, suing banks to force them to make bad loans.
 

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