The Big Lie is Bush Lied

[red states rule]

I really want to quote this one from you so you can't go back and edit it away later. We should both stop the blustering about '08 and just wait until the day after the election and see who has to pay whom.

No problem. I will give you the address for the Animal Shelter to mial your check later

 

[maineman]

No problem. I will give you the address for the Animal Shelter to mial your check later

I know the address of the animal shelter...and the day after the election, if democrats win, I will send you MY address.

 

[red states rule]

I know the address of the animal shelter...and the day after the election, if democrats win, I will send you MY address.

Looking at who y=ou have on your side, Hillary and Obama, you better take your anti depressents now and write the check out, while you are sober

 

[maineman]

Looking at who y=ou have on your side, Hillary and Obama, you better take your anti depressents now and write the check out, while you are sober

again... your trash talking really serves no purpose at this point. let's just see who writes the check come november '08.

 

[T-Bor]

Hell I thought they had them BASED ON WHAT THE PRESIDENT TOLD ME...then I realized I was lied too. So who is at fault here? The Dems or the President? Your argument is futile beings that the president is the one who led everyone to believe he had WMD's. The Dems go their info from somewhere and the info was WRONG !!!!!! Your argument sucks !!!!

Dems said Saddam had them and was a threat - FACT

those Dems who did vote for the war are running away from their vote with the exception of Joe Lieberman

 

[GeeWhiz]

Is this English?

It sure is, but I understand your problem, either you are a CSM suck up or you are a mental midget.

It is understandable to mental giants but will go way over the head of mental midgets.

Have you noticed my negative rep points? All of them come from CSM. On a daily basis he's been jacking them up. If you are not the mental midget you will discover that CSM hasn't debated a single one of my posts. Now why is that? The answer is he doesn't have the brains so all he can do is cry and go for the reputation.

CSM doesn't even care if everyone knows he's a mental midget it's not like he can hide it either.

Rosotar,

As long as CSM is around or any of his looser suck ups I'll always be ahead of you on the negative points. I'm the bad boy here. CSM is the little boy wearing shorts, bobby socks, penny loafer with pennie in them, suspenders and a sponge bob t-shirt.

 

[T-Bor]

You should give a rats ass about rep points. What exactly do they mean anyway? Its all biased. This is a republican heavy board so most dems on here have low rep points. But who gives a shit? I mean really. I was at -300 and damn proud of it. Somehow I got in the positive and I am pretty pissed off about it too. I was supposed to be the buffon here, not YOU !!!!!!

 

[Annie]

You should give a rats ass about rep points. What exactly do they mean anyway? Its all biased. This is a republican heavy board so most dems on here have low rep points. But who gives a shit? I mean really. I was at -300 and damn proud of it. Somehow I got in the positive and I am pretty pissed off about it too. I was supposed to be the buffon here, not YOU !!!!!!

Silly, not anymore is it a 'republican' board. The libs that can debate far outnumber the conservatives. Not necessarily a bad thing.

 

[boedicca]

You should give a rats ass about rep points. What exactly do they mean anyway? Its all biased. This is a republican heavy board so most dems on here have low rep points. But who gives a shit? I mean really. I was at -300 and damn proud of it. Somehow I got in the positive and I am pretty pissed off about it too. I was supposed to be the buffon here, not YOU !!!!!!

I will give you credit for not demanding a recount due to Rep Fraud.

 

[Rosotar]

The terrorists thank you for your continued support

Dems lied to the voters and they will feel their wrath in Nov 08 when the cut and run Dems are voted out

This disconnect from reality is exactly why Republicans lost the last election and why they are destined to loose in 08 as well.

Wishful thinking does not win elections nor does it substitute for competent, effective strategy in war.

 

[T-Bor]

Completely untrue and you know it.

Silly, not anymore is it a 'republican' board. The libs that can debate far outnumber the conservatives. Not necessarily a bad thing.

 

[Annie]

Completely untrue and you know it.

Hardly. Loser.

 

[Shogun]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


oh damn...

 

[red states rule]

again... your trash talking really serves no purpose at this point. let's just see who writes the check come november '08.

Sorry, no checks from you. Money order or cash only

 

[red states rule]

This disconnect from reality is exactly why Republicans lost the last election and why they are destined to loose in 08 as well.

Wishful thinking does not win elections nor does it substitute for competent, effective strategy in war.

Libs seem to be doing exactly what the terrorists want them to do. Libs are trying to cut off funding, tie the CIC hands when it comes to fighting the war, and telling the terrorists the exact date the troops will leave Iraq

What more help can the libs give the terrorists?

 

[eots]

So let me get this right.........

Pres Bush, a man libs who libs have said is an idiot, a fool, a morin, a man who cannot string three words togther without stuttering - actually tricked the mentally superior liberals?

(Despite the fact the ranking Dems had the SAME intel as Pres Bush)

I don't give a rats ass what libs say or rep or any of the charade. the players at the top of this game are all controlled and owned and ultimately work towards the same new world order agenda ,coke or Pepsi ,skull and bones bush or skull and bones Kerry its only the illusion of choice ,divide and conquer
the truth is they have tricked you all.... 911 was an inside job

 

[boedicca]

I don't give a rats ass what libs say or rep or any of the charade. the players at the top of this game are all controlled and owned and ultimately work towards the same new world order agenda ,coke or Pepsi ,skull and bones bush or skull and bones Kerry its only the illusion of choice ,divide and conquer
the truth is they have tricked you all.... 911 was an inside job

Ooooooo...a Real Live Conspiracy Theory Specimen!

Just out of curiosity - how do you stand living in this world if we really are just slaves controlled by a Global Elite? Do you fight the urge to put a bullet in your brain or have you made peace with your chattel status?

This is a serious question. Despite having asked it of quite a few people who have made the same claim as you have, I've never received an answer that made the least bit of sense. Here is your chance.

 

[red states rule]

Ooooooo...a Real Live Conspiracy Theory Specimen!

Just out of curiosity - how do you stand living in this world if we really are just slaves controlled by a Global Elite? Do you fight the urge to put a bullet in your brain or have you made peace with your chattel status?

This is a serious question. Despite having asked it of quite a few people who have made the same claim as you have, I've never received an answer that made the least bit of sense. Here is your chance.

9/11 Video Doesn't Hold Water
The U.S. Justice Department released a video last week of what appears to be American Airlines Flight 77 crashing into the Pentagon on the morning of September 11, 2001.

Bush must take Charlie Sheen for an idiot.

The right-wing mind control machine may have pulled the wool over the eyes of the ignorant red state masses, but when it comes to the finer intricacies of aeronautical engineering and aviation crash physics, they’re on Big Chuck’s turf.

If there are two things Charlie Sheen knows, they are: 1) It’s not “kiddie porn” if the website says the babes are “barely legal”, and 2) a Boeing 757 doesn’t simply zip to the ground like a bullet and disintegrate on impact as if it had slammed into a reinforced concrete fortress at 400 mph. Anyone in the movie business will tell you that when a commercial aircraft crashes, it sort of glides down in slow motion, clips the guitar off the top of the Hard Rock Café, and then skids on its belly for about 13 blocks before screeching to a halt mere inches away from the edge of a cliff. Yet to this day, any photographs taken of the Pentagon crash site show very little debris, if any at all.

You’d think that if Bush was going to stage a phony plane crash convincing enough to fool everyone but our most brightest Hollywood stars, he’d at least toss a landing gear or a section of the fuselage out onto the lawn. But the Shrub got cocky and slipped up, and Charlie Sheen was all over him like Charlie Sheen on a barely legal call girl. Now, when a majority of celebrities believe Bush personally flew into the Pentagon with a pair of ACME bat wings and a giant firecracker strapped to his back, out comes this convenient video. But nobody’s buying it, least of all Charlie Sheen.

The video itself is of such poor quality that it wouldn’t even fool Emilio Estevez. The Pentagon can photograph me from outer space, yet they can’t put a camera in their parking lot capable of producing an image larger than three inches wide?

I’m afraid that until Bush provides Sheen with some better footage, or finally allows Molly Ringwald to analyze metallurgical data from all the supposed “debris” recovered at the “crash site”, the jury is still out on Bush's innocence, as well as the fate of Flight 77.

http://blamebush.typepad.com/blamebush/socalled_terrorism/index.html

 

[Paul Revere]

The U.S. Justice Department released a video last week of what appears to be American Airlines Flight 77 crashing into the Pentagon on the morning of September 11, 2001.

Bush must take Charlie Sheen for an idiot.
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Tell me that you saw a shiney silver airliner in the video.....come on.... it looked more like a white plastic vibrator that pulled up in frame and stopped. You buy every piece of BS they sell.

I'm sure Chalie Sheen takes Bush for an idiot, along with 70% of the US and 99% of the whole planet.

 

[eots]

Ooooooo...a Real Live Conspiracy Theory Specimen!

Just out of curiosity - how do you stand living in this world if we really are just slaves controlled by a Global Elite? Do you fight the urge to put a bullet in your brain or have you made peace with your chattel status?

This is a serious question. Despite having asked it of quite a few people who have made the same claim as you have, I've never received an answer that made the least bit of sense. Here is your chance.

i don't put a bullet in my head because I'm a lion, not a sheep like you
oooo look some more conspiracy specimens gee i thought only Charlie sheen was the only one

Essay: "In all my years of direct and indirect participation, I never witnessed nor even heard of an aircraft loss, where the wreckage was accessible, that prevented investigators from finding enough hard evidence to positively identify the make, model, and specific registration number of the aircraft -- and in most cases the precise cause of the accident. ...

The government alleges that four wide-body airliners crashed on the morning of September 11 2001, resulting in the deaths of more than 3,000 human beings, yet not one piece of hard aircraft evidence has been produced in an attempt to positively identify any of the four aircraft. On the contrary, it seems only that all potential evidence was deliberately kept hidden from public view. …

With all the evidence readily available at the Pentagon crash site, any unbiased rational investigator could only conclude that a Boeing 757 did not fly into the Pentagon as alleged. Similarly, with all the evidence available at the Pennsylvania crash site, it was most doubtful that a passenger airliner caused the obvious hole in the ground and certainly not the Boeing 757 as alleged. …

As painful and heartbreaking as was the loss of innocent lives and the lingering health problems of thousands more, a most troublesome and nightmarish probability remains that so many Americans appear to be involved in the most heinous conspiracy in our country's history." http://www.physics911.net


Editor's note: For more information on the impact at the Pentagon, see General Stubblebine, Lt. Col. Kwiatkowski, Major Rokke, Capt. Wittenberg, and Steve DeChiaro.


Member: Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice Association Statement: "Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice is a non-partisan organization consisting of independent researchers and activists engaged in uncovering the true nature of the September 11, 2001 attacks."


Member: Pilots for 9/11 Truth Association Statement: "Pilots for 9/11 Truth is an organization of aviation professionals and pilots throughout the globe that have gathered together for one purpose. We are committed to seeking the truth surrounding the events of the 11th of September 2001. Our main focus concentrates on the four flights, maneuvers performed and the reported pilots. We do not offer theory or point blame. However, we are focused on determining the truth of that fateful day since the United States Government doesn't seem to be very forthcoming with answers


Major General Albert Stubblebine, U.S. Army (ret) – Former Commanding General of U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command, 1981 - 1984. Also commanded the U.S. Army’s Electronic Research and Development Command and the U.S. Army’s Intelligence School and Center. Former head of Imagery Interpretation for Scientific and Technical Intelligence. 32-year Army career.

Video 7/11/06: "One of my experiences in the Army was being in charge of the Army’s Imagery Interpretation for Scientific and Technical Intelligence during the Cold War. I measured pieces of Soviet equipment from photographs. It was my job. I look at the hole in the Pentagon and I look at the size of an airplane that was supposed to have hit the Pentagon. And I said, ‘The plane does not fit in that hole’. So what did hit the Pentagon? What hit it? Where is it? What's going on?" http://www.und




Editor's note: For more information on the impact at the Pentagon, see Colonel Nelson, Lt. Col. Kwiatkowski, Major Rokke, Capt. Wittenberg, and Steve DeChiaro.


Bio: http://www.canadiansub.com/Board



Col. Ronald D. Ray

Col. Ronald D. Ray, U.S. Marine Corps (ret) – Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense during the Reagan Administration and a highly decorated Vietnam veteran (two Silver Stars, a Bronze Star and a Purple Heart). Appointed by President George H.W. Bush to serve on the American Battle Monuments Commission (1990 - 1994), and on the 1992 Presidential Commission on the Assignment of Women in the Armed Forces. Military Historian and Deputy Director of Field Operations for the U.S. Marine Corps Historical Center, Washington, D.C. 1990 - 1994.

Article 7/10/06: "The former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense under the Reagan Administration and a highly decorated Vietnam veteran and Colonel has gone on the record to voice his doubts about the official story of 9/11 - calling it ‘the dog that doesn't hunt.’ ‘I'm astounded that the conspiracy theory advanced by the administration could in fact be true and the evidence does not seem to suggest that's accurate,’ he said." http://www.knowledgedriven


Bio: http://www.firstprinciplespress.org



Col. Robert Bowman, PhD

Col. Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Director of Advanced Space Programs Development under Presidents Ford and Carter. U.S. Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions. (PhD in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering, Cal Tech).
Video 9/11/04: "A lot of these pieces of information, taken together, prove that the official story, the official conspiracy theory of 9/11 is a bunch of hogwash. It’s impossible. … There’s a second group of facts having to do with the cover up. … Taken together these things prove that high levels of our government don’t want us to know what happened and who’s responsible.…

Who gained from 9/11? Who covered up crucial information about 9/11? And who put out the patently false stories about 9/11 in the first place? When you take those three things together, I think the case is pretty clear that it’s highly placed individuals in the administration with all roads passing through Dick Cheney.

I think the very kindest thing that we can say about George W. Bush and all the people in the U.S. Government that have been involved in this massive cover-up, the very kindest thing we can say is that they were aware of impending attacks and let them happen. Now some people will say that’s much too kind, however even that is high treason and conspiracy to commit murder." http://video.go


Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11:
"We want truthful answers to question. … As Americans of conscience, we ask for four things:
An immediate investigation by New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer
Immediate investigation in Congressional Hearings.
Media attention to scrutinize and investigate the evidence.
The formation of a truly independent citizens-based inquiry." http://www.911truth.org/article



Bio: http://bowman2006.

Lt. Col. Karen U. Kwiatkowski, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Former Political-Military Affairs Officer in the Office of the Secretary of Defense. Also served on the staff of the Director of the National Security Agency. 20-year Air Force veteran.

Contributor to 9/11 and American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out 8/23/06: Account of Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, Pentagon employee and eyewitness to the events at the Pentagon on 9/11. "I believe the Commission failed to deeply examine the topic at hand, failed to apply scientific rigor to its assessment of events leading up to and including 9/11, failed to produce a believable and unbiased summary of what happened, failed to fully examine why it happened, and even failed to include a set of unanswered questions for future research. ...

It is as a scientist that I have the most trouble with the official government conspiracy theory, mainly because it does not satisfy the rules of probability or physics. The collapses of the World Trade Center buildings clearly violate the laws of probability and physics. ...

There was a dearth of visible debris on the relatively unmarked [Pentagon] lawn, where I stood only minutes after the impact. Beyond this strange absence of airliner debris, there was no sign of the kind of damage to the Pentagon structure one would expect from the impact of a large airliner. This visible evidence or lack thereof may also have been apparent to the secretary of defense [Donald Rumsfeld], who in an unfortunate slip of the tongue referred to the aircraft that slammed into the Pentagon as a "missile".

... I saw nothing of significance at the point of impact - no airplane metal or cargo debris was blowing on the lawn in front of the damaged building as smoke billowed from within the Pentagon. ... all of us staring at the Pentagon that morning were indeed looking for such debris, but what we expected to see was not evident.

The same is true with regard to the kind of damage we expected. ... But I did not see this kind of damage. Rather, the facade had a rather small hole, no larger than 20 feet in diameter. Although this facade later collapsed, it remained standing for 30 or 40 minutes, with the roof line remaining relatively straight.

The scene, in short, was not what I would have expected from a strike by a large jetliner. It was, however, exactly what one would expect if a missile had struck the Pentagon.

... More information is certainly needed regarding the events of 9/11 and the events leading up to that terrible day."


Editor's note: For more information on the impact at the Pentagon, see General Stubblebine, Colonel Nelson, Major Rokke, Capt. Wittenberg, and Steve DeChiaro.


Bio: http://militaryweek
Major Douglas Rokke, PhD, U.S. Army (ret) – Former Director U.S. Army Depleted Uranium Project. 30-year Army career.

Article 8/19/05: Regarding the impact at the Pentagon on 9/11/2001 "When you look at the whole thing, especially the crash site void of airplane parts, the size of the hole left in the building and the fact the projectile's impact penetrated numerous concrete walls, it looks like the work of a missile. And when you look at the damage, it was obviously a missile." http://www.rense.com


Editor's note: For more information on the impact at the Pentagon, see General Stubblebine, Colonel Nelson, Lt. Col. Kwiatkowski,



Capt. Gregory M. Zeigler, PhD, U.S. Army – Former U.S. Army Intelligence Officer

Statement to this website 9/19/06: "I knew from September 18, 2001, that the official story about 9/11 was false. ... [A]nomalies poured in rapidly: the hijackers' names appearing in none of the published flight passenger lists, BBC reports of stolen identities of the alleged hijackers or the alleged hijackers being found alive, the obvious demolitions of WTC 1 and 2 [each 1300+ feet tall, 110 stories], and WTC 7 [570 feet tall, 47 stories, and not hit by an airplane], the lack of identifiable Boeing 757 wreckage at the Pentagon ... Link to full statement


Member: Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice Association Statement: "Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice is a non-partisan organization consisting of independent researchers and activists engaged in uncovering the true nature of the September 11, 2001 attacks

Raymond L. McGovern – Former Chairman, National Intelligence Estimates, CIA, responsible for preparing the President’ Daily Brief (PDB) for Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush. 27-year CIA veteran. Former U.S. Army Intelligence Officer.

Video 7/22/06: "I think at simplest terms, there’s a cover-up. The 9/11 report is a joke. The question is: What’s being covered up? Is it gross malfeasance, gross negligence, misfeasance? … Now there are a whole bunch of unanswered questions. And the reason they’re unanswered is because this administration will not answer the questions. … I just want to reassert, what Scott [Ritter, former Major in the U.S. Marines Corps, former Chief Weapons Inspector for the United Nations Special Commission in Iraq] said and this is the bottom line for me, just as Hitler in 1933 cynically exploited the burning of the parliament building, the Reichstag, this is exactly what our President did in exploiting 9/11. The cynical way in which he played on our trauma, used it to justify attacking, making a war of aggression on a country that he knew had nothing to do with 9/11. That suffices for me, I think Scott is exactly right, that’s certainly an impeachable offense." http://video.google


Endorsement of 9/11 and American Empire (Vol I) – Intellectuals Speak Out: "It has long been clear that the Bush-Cheney administration cynically exploited the attacks of 9/11 to promote its imperial designs. But the present volume confronts us with compelling evidence for an even more disturbing conclusion: that the 9/11 attacks were themselves orchestrated by this administration precisely so they could be thus exploited. If this is true, it is not merely the case, as the Downing Street memos show, that the stated reason for attacking Iraq was a lie. It is also the case that the whole 'war on terror' was based on a prior deception." http://www.interlinkbooks.com


Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11:
"We want truthful answers to question. … As Americans of conscience, we ask for four things:
An immediate investigation by New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer
Immediate investigation in Congressional Hearings.
Media attention to scrutinize and investigate the evidence.
The formation of a truly independent citizens-based inquiry." http://www.911truth.org/article



Bio: http://en.wikipedia


Bio: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_mcgovern


William Christison

William Christison – Former National Intelligence Officer and Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis. 29-year CIA veteran.

Essay Stop Belittling the Theories About September 11 8/14/06: "I now think there is persuasive evidence that the events of September did not unfold as the Bush administration and the 9/11 Commission would have us believe. … An airliner almost certainly did not hit The Pentagon. … The North and South Towers of the World Trade Center almost certainly did not collapse and fall to earth because hijacked aircraft hit them." http://www.dissidentvoice.org


Article 9/7/06: "David Griffin believes this all was totally an inside job - I've got to say I think that it was too. … I have since decided that....at least some elements in this US government had contributed in some way or other to causing 9/11 to happen or at least allowing it to happen. … The reason that the two towers in New York actually collapsed and fell all the way to the ground was controlled explosions rather than just being hit by two airplanes. … All of the characteristics of these demolitions show that they almost had to have been controlled explosions." http://www.prisonplanet.com


Audio interview 9/29/06: "We very seriously need an entirely new very high level and truly independent investigation of the events of 9/11. I think you almost have to look at the 9/11 Commission Report as a joke and not a serious piece of analysis at all. It gave the administration what it wanted to support their official story on what happened on the date of September 11 and that's all they cared about. ... It's a monstrous crime. Absolutely a monstrous crime." http://www.electricpolitics.com


Bio: http://www


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