The Constitution in a Multicultural Society

[NYcarbineer]

This country has no business being multicultural. We all are Americans and that's good enough. If you're a hyphenated American, then go back to the country ( or continent for those who don't know better) you claim you're from.

It's a core value of American democracy that you have the right to be 'multi-cultural'. It's starts with freedom of religion.

Religion is a key component of culture. Is there an 'American' religion that everyone is supposed to embrace in order to conform to an 'American' culture? Is that in the Constitution?

Let's assume that this is merely one of your lacunae.....and it's too early for your usual obfuscation.

1.There is personal religion, and there is civil religion.

From the OP:
. Those who doubt that we can have a successful 'multicultural society' advocate an alternative idea, e.g., we should desire a political culture based on pride in this nation, with the country as the object of a common loyalty, and a secular view of law in which religion is a concern of family and society, but not of the state.
My view.

On would hope that morality, stemming from personal religion, infuses the actions of the nation.
Stephen Decatur: "Our country! In her intercourse with foreign nations, may she always be in the right; but our country, right or wrong."

Morality would prevent that wrong.




2.Civil religion is not a state religion, but rather an expression that religionizes national values, national heroes, national history, and national ideals. It proposes a God behind all gods that especially favors America. The unifying thing is not the object of prayer (god) but the source of the prayer—we Americans.

3. Americans are a praying people. Praying gets even more popular in a national crisis, though Americans have always recognized god and prayer as important. We have "IN GOD WE TRUST" on our currency. We say "One nation under god” in our pledge of allegiance. In many research reports almost all Americans say they pray regularly, and more than half claim they pray “every day.” 4.The prayers offered by “civil religion” are to an expansive god-behind-all-gods—a national unifying god. Civil religion is the common ecumenical ground where we all can gather—not just all Christian denominations, but all religions, and even the great host of people who practice no formal religion at all but believe in god and prayer. This is civil religion. The god of civil religion is the "higher power as you know it"—the god behind all religions and everything else.

5. Although he recognized this as a largely Protestant nation, JFKennedy did make frequent references to god—three times in his inaugural address. Robert Bellah, in 1967 first made the keen observation that John Kennedy's use of "god" however was not in the narrow sense as a Roman Catholic, but in the broader sense as a the god-of-us-all, the god of American civil religion. Bellah suggested that Kennedy was doing exactly what his predecessors had done—referring to the unifying god of American civil religion, not any specific narrow denominational god or even the god organized religion like the Christian god, or Roman Catholic understanding of God. It was the god-above-all-gods, the god of American civil religion.
Civil Religion

Is that an explanation as to why conservatives never complain about the construction of mosques in their communities?

lolol.

 

[Dot Com]

We need more Sikhs & Hindus & Unitarians, etc...

 

[ogibillm]

a. The Constitution takes precedence over religious loyalties.
That is true for two of the three major religions.

I would think it would be difficult to find any religious scholar that would argue that the laws of man are more important than the proper worship of God, whatever that may be for them.

 

[PoliticalChic]

This country has no business being multicultural. We all are Americans and that's good enough. If you're a hyphenated American, then go back to the country ( or continent for those who don't know better) you claim you're from.

It's a core value of American democracy that you have the right to be 'multi-cultural'. It's starts with freedom of religion.

Religion is a key component of culture. Is there an 'American' religion that everyone is supposed to embrace in order to conform to an 'American' culture? Is that in the Constitution?

Let's assume that this is merely one of your lacunae.....and it's too early for your usual obfuscation.

1.There is personal religion, and there is civil religion.

From the OP:
. Those who doubt that we can have a successful 'multicultural society' advocate an alternative idea, e.g., we should desire a political culture based on pride in this nation, with the country as the object of a common loyalty, and a secular view of law in which religion is a concern of family and society, but not of the state.
My view.

On would hope that morality, stemming from personal religion, infuses the actions of the nation.
Stephen Decatur: "Our country! In her intercourse with foreign nations, may she always be in the right; but our country, right or wrong."

Morality would prevent that wrong.




2.Civil religion is not a state religion, but rather an expression that religionizes national values, national heroes, national history, and national ideals. It proposes a God behind all gods that especially favors America. The unifying thing is not the object of prayer (god) but the source of the prayer—we Americans.

3. Americans are a praying people. Praying gets even more popular in a national crisis, though Americans have always recognized god and prayer as important. We have "IN GOD WE TRUST" on our currency. We say "One nation under god” in our pledge of allegiance. In many research reports almost all Americans say they pray regularly, and more than half claim they pray “every day.” 4.The prayers offered by “civil religion” are to an expansive god-behind-all-gods—a national unifying god. Civil religion is the common ecumenical ground where we all can gather—not just all Christian denominations, but all religions, and even the great host of people who practice no formal religion at all but believe in god and prayer. This is civil religion. The god of civil religion is the "higher power as you know it"—the god behind all religions and everything else.

5. Although he recognized this as a largely Protestant nation, JFKennedy did make frequent references to god—three times in his inaugural address. Robert Bellah, in 1967 first made the keen observation that John Kennedy's use of "god" however was not in the narrow sense as a Roman Catholic, but in the broader sense as a the god-of-us-all, the god of American civil religion. Bellah suggested that Kennedy was doing exactly what his predecessors had done—referring to the unifying god of American civil religion, not any specific narrow denominational god or even the god organized religion like the Christian god, or Roman Catholic understanding of God. It was the god-above-all-gods, the god of American civil religion.
Civil Religion

Is that an explanation as to why conservatives never complain about the construction of mosques in their communities?

lolol.

I love it! The facts in my posts affects you the way a paddle affects a ping-bong ball!


Every day....either you lie or you attempt to change the subject from the post to which you are ostensibly replying.

Don't ever change.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Yes, let's round up all the darkies, homos, intellectuals, and Muslims and put them in FEMA camps. Then gas them.

Down with multiculturalism! Homogeneity forever! We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White Children. Sieg Heil!

Vote for the New GOP to save Amerika.

Ironically, OP is an immigrant minority, if I'm not mistken. @PoliticalChic ?

Comon, she had her eyes done, what more do you want?

Is that vaginal slit still different than white women??

I will be happy to comment on that subject once this thread gets moved to the Flame Zone.

 

[PoliticalChic]

a. The Constitution takes precedence over religious loyalties.
That is true for two of the three major religions.

I would think it would be difficult to find any religious scholar that would argue that the laws of man are more important than the proper worship of God, whatever that may be for them.

Where does the Constitution say what you suggest, you dope.

It says quite the opposite.

 

[NYcarbineer]

This country has no business being multicultural. We all are Americans and that's good enough. If you're a hyphenated American, then go back to the country ( or continent for those who don't know better) you claim you're from.

It's a core value of American democracy that you have the right to be 'multi-cultural'. It's starts with freedom of religion.

Religion is a key component of culture. Is there an 'American' religion that everyone is supposed to embrace in order to conform to an 'American' culture? Is that in the Constitution?

Let's assume that this is merely one of your lacunae.....and it's too early for your usual obfuscation.

1.There is personal religion, and there is civil religion.

From the OP:
. Those who doubt that we can have a successful 'multicultural society' advocate an alternative idea, e.g., we should desire a political culture based on pride in this nation, with the country as the object of a common loyalty, and a secular view of law in which religion is a concern of family and society, but not of the state.
My view.

On would hope that morality, stemming from personal religion, infuses the actions of the nation.
Stephen Decatur: "Our country! In her intercourse with foreign nations, may she always be in the right; but our country, right or wrong."

Morality would prevent that wrong.




2.Civil religion is not a state religion, but rather an expression that religionizes national values, national heroes, national history, and national ideals. It proposes a God behind all gods that especially favors America. The unifying thing is not the object of prayer (god) but the source of the prayer—we Americans.

3. Americans are a praying people. Praying gets even more popular in a national crisis, though Americans have always recognized god and prayer as important. We have "IN GOD WE TRUST" on our currency. We say "One nation under god” in our pledge of allegiance. In many research reports almost all Americans say they pray regularly, and more than half claim they pray “every day.” 4.The prayers offered by “civil religion” are to an expansive god-behind-all-gods—a national unifying god. Civil religion is the common ecumenical ground where we all can gather—not just all Christian denominations, but all religions, and even the great host of people who practice no formal religion at all but believe in god and prayer. This is civil religion. The god of civil religion is the "higher power as you know it"—the god behind all religions and everything else.

5. Although he recognized this as a largely Protestant nation, JFKennedy did make frequent references to god—three times in his inaugural address. Robert Bellah, in 1967 first made the keen observation that John Kennedy's use of "god" however was not in the narrow sense as a Roman Catholic, but in the broader sense as a the god-of-us-all, the god of American civil religion. Bellah suggested that Kennedy was doing exactly what his predecessors had done—referring to the unifying god of American civil religion, not any specific narrow denominational god or even the god organized religion like the Christian god, or Roman Catholic understanding of God. It was the god-above-all-gods, the god of American civil religion.
Civil Religion

Is that an explanation as to why conservatives never complain about the construction of mosques in their communities?

lolol.

I love it! The facts in my posts affects you the way a paddle affects a ping-bong ball!


Every day....either you lie or you attempt to change the subject from the post to which you are ostensibly replying.

Don't ever change.

Nothing in your excruciatingly interminable post addressed anything in the post you responded to?

Let me repeat the question, rephrased...

Are conservatives wrong to object to the construction of mosques in their communities?

 

[ogibillm]

a. The Constitution takes precedence over religious loyalties.
That is true for two of the three major religions.

I would think it would be difficult to find any religious scholar that would argue that the laws of man are more important than the proper worship of God, whatever that may be for them.

Where does the Constitution say what you suggest, you dope.

It says quite the opposite.

and yet you claim that it takes precedence over religious loyalties. so if people don't place the laws of man (the Constitution) over their religious worship you would be incorrect, wouldn't you?

 

[PoliticalChic]

This country has no business being multicultural. We all are Americans and that's good enough. If you're a hyphenated American, then go back to the country ( or continent for those who don't know better) you claim you're from.

It's a core value of American democracy that you have the right to be 'multi-cultural'. It's starts with freedom of religion.

Religion is a key component of culture. Is there an 'American' religion that everyone is supposed to embrace in order to conform to an 'American' culture? Is that in the Constitution?

Let's assume that this is merely one of your lacunae.....and it's too early for your usual obfuscation.

1.There is personal religion, and there is civil religion.

From the OP:
. Those who doubt that we can have a successful 'multicultural society' advocate an alternative idea, e.g., we should desire a political culture based on pride in this nation, with the country as the object of a common loyalty, and a secular view of law in which religion is a concern of family and society, but not of the state.
My view.

On would hope that morality, stemming from personal religion, infuses the actions of the nation.
Stephen Decatur: "Our country! In her intercourse with foreign nations, may she always be in the right; but our country, right or wrong."

Morality would prevent that wrong.




2.Civil religion is not a state religion, but rather an expression that religionizes national values, national heroes, national history, and national ideals. It proposes a God behind all gods that especially favors America. The unifying thing is not the object of prayer (god) but the source of the prayer—we Americans.

3. Americans are a praying people. Praying gets even more popular in a national crisis, though Americans have always recognized god and prayer as important. We have "IN GOD WE TRUST" on our currency. We say "One nation under god” in our pledge of allegiance. In many research reports almost all Americans say they pray regularly, and more than half claim they pray “every day.” 4.The prayers offered by “civil religion” are to an expansive god-behind-all-gods—a national unifying god. Civil religion is the common ecumenical ground where we all can gather—not just all Christian denominations, but all religions, and even the great host of people who practice no formal religion at all but believe in god and prayer. This is civil religion. The god of civil religion is the "higher power as you know it"—the god behind all religions and everything else.

5. Although he recognized this as a largely Protestant nation, JFKennedy did make frequent references to god—three times in his inaugural address. Robert Bellah, in 1967 first made the keen observation that John Kennedy's use of "god" however was not in the narrow sense as a Roman Catholic, but in the broader sense as a the god-of-us-all, the god of American civil religion. Bellah suggested that Kennedy was doing exactly what his predecessors had done—referring to the unifying god of American civil religion, not any specific narrow denominational god or even the god organized religion like the Christian god, or Roman Catholic understanding of God. It was the god-above-all-gods, the god of American civil religion.
Civil Religion

Is that an explanation as to why conservatives never complain about the construction of mosques in their communities?

lolol.

I love it! The facts in my posts affects you the way a paddle affects a ping-bong ball!


Every day....either you lie or you attempt to change the subject from the post to which you are ostensibly replying.

Don't ever change.

Nothing in your excruciatingly interminable post addressed anything in the post you responded to?

Let me repeat the question, rephrased...

Are conservatives wrong to object to the construction of mosques in their communities?

See....right back to lying.

That was not the post to which I responded.



You swing back and forth between lying and obfuscation, because you cannot contend with my facts, and truth.

You are simply the 'dope on a rope.'

 

[NYcarbineer]

a. The Constitution takes precedence over religious loyalties.
That is true for two of the three major religions.

I would think it would be difficult to find any religious scholar that would argue that the laws of man are more important than the proper worship of God, whatever that may be for them.

Where does the Constitution say what you suggest, you dope.

It says quite the opposite.

You are the one who said that the Constitution takes precedence over religious loyalties. Maybe you should try - in 25 of your own words or less - to explain what you meant.

 

[PoliticalChic]

a. The Constitution takes precedence over religious loyalties.
That is true for two of the three major religions.

I would think it would be difficult to find any religious scholar that would argue that the laws of man are more important than the proper worship of God, whatever that may be for them.

Where does the Constitution say what you suggest, you dope.

It says quite the opposite.

and yet you claim that it takes precedence over religious loyalties. so if people don't place the laws of man (the Constitution) over their religious worship you would be incorrect, wouldn't you?

Don't you speak English???

Have someone explain the post to you.....and fifth grader would advance your knowledge.

 

[NYcarbineer]

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See....right back to lying.

That was not the post to which I responded.



You swing back and forth between lying and obfuscation, because you cannot contend with my facts, and truth.

You are simply the 'dope on a rope.'

This is what I said:

"It's a core value of American democracy that you have the right to be 'multi-cultural'. It's starts with freedom of religion.
Religion is a key component of culture. Is there an 'American' religion that everyone is supposed to embrace in order to conform to an 'American' culture? Is that in the Constitution?"

Try again.

 

[ogibillm]

a. The Constitution takes precedence over religious loyalties.
That is true for two of the three major religions.

I would think it would be difficult to find any religious scholar that would argue that the laws of man are more important than the proper worship of God, whatever that may be for them.

Where does the Constitution say what you suggest, you dope.

It says quite the opposite.

and yet you claim that it takes precedence over religious loyalties. so if people don't place the laws of man (the Constitution) over their religious worship you would be incorrect, wouldn't you?

Don't you speak English???

Have someone explain the post to you.....and fifth grader would advance your knowledge.

i do. i'm starting to wonder if you are capable.

let me ask you this -
which is more important to you, God or the the 16th Amendment?

 

[PoliticalChic]

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See....right back to lying.

That was not the post to which I responded.



You swing back and forth between lying and obfuscation, because you cannot contend with my facts, and truth.

You are simply the 'dope on a rope.'

This is what I said:

"It's a core value of American democracy that you have the right to be 'multi-cultural'. It's starts with freedom of religion.
Religion is a key component of culture. Is there an 'American' religion that everyone is supposed to embrace in order to conform to an 'American' culture? Is that in the Constitution?"

Try again.

So....this is an admission that the following was a lie?

Nothing in your excruciatingly interminable post addressed anything in the post you responded to?

Let me repeat the question, rephrased...

Are conservatives wrong to object to the construction of mosques in their communities?



Great....liar.

 

[NYcarbineer]

a. The Constitution takes precedence over religious loyalties.
That is true for two of the three major religions.

I would think it would be difficult to find any religious scholar that would argue that the laws of man are more important than the proper worship of God, whatever that may be for them.

Where does the Constitution say what you suggest, you dope.

It says quite the opposite.

and yet you claim that it takes precedence over religious loyalties. so if people don't place the laws of man (the Constitution) over their religious worship you would be incorrect, wouldn't you?

Don't you speak English???

Have someone explain the post to you.....and fifth grader would advance your knowledge.

Your post is meant to be an attack on Islam then. Is that correct? Your post is an attempt to attach some sort of constitutional 'cred' to your bias against Muslims.

 

[NYcarbineer]

[

See....right back to lying.

That was not the post to which I responded.



You swing back and forth between lying and obfuscation, because you cannot contend with my facts, and truth.

You are simply the 'dope on a rope.'

This is what I said:

"It's a core value of American democracy that you have the right to be 'multi-cultural'. It's starts with freedom of religion.
Religion is a key component of culture. Is there an 'American' religion that everyone is supposed to embrace in order to conform to an 'American' culture? Is that in the Constitution?"

Try again.

So....this is an admission that the following was a lie?

Nothing in your excruciatingly interminable post addressed anything in the post you responded to?

Let me repeat the question, rephrased...

Are conservatives wrong to object to the construction of mosques in their communities?



Great....liar.

You didn't respond to my post. Let me make it plainer:

1. You oppose multiculturalism
2. Religions are a key component of culture
3. Religious diversity is cultural diversity.
4. A country that embraces religious diversity embraces cultural diversity. It cannot do one without the other.

Therefore...

5. Your opposition to cultural diversity is an opposition to religious diversity.

 

[ogibillm]

Guess she gave up

 

[PoliticalChic]

Guess she gave up

He's a liar and you're a fool.

Need I continue to repeat what you are incapable of understanding?

 

[ogibillm]

Guess she gave up

He's a liar and you're a fool.

Need I continue to repeat what you are incapable of understanding?

Which is more important to you, God or a bicameral legislature?

 

[ogibillm]

Guess she gave up

He's a liar and you're a fool.

Need I continue to repeat what you are incapable of understanding?

Which is more important to you, God or a bicameral legislature?

you're refusal to answer is what makes me certain you've given up.