The Debt Ceiling and the Electoral College are dinosaurs!

The Electoral College is a system used in the United States to elect the President and Vice President. It was created by the framers of the U.S. Constitution as a compromise between election of the President by a vote in Congress and election of the President by a popular vote of qualified citizens. The Electoral College system is designed to give more power to smaller states, but it has been criticized for a number of reasons, including that it can result in a candidate winning the presidency without winning the popular vote.

Some other criticisms of the Electoral College include that it can discourage voter turnout in states that are not considered “swing states,” and that it can lead to a lack of representation for minority groups.

THE GOOD​

One of the advantages is the end result is clear: “Somebody wins; somebody gets a majority of the electoral votes,” says DeRosa. If presidents were elected purely by popular vote, a candidate could win the presidency with less than 50% of the vote. “If you had more than two parties contending for the presidency, you might have somebody winning with 30% of the votes, and that’s a ticket to an extremist candidate.”

THE BAD​

The first problem with the Electoral College is that it gives more weight to voters in small states than those in more populous ones, says DeRosa. Every state gets a minimum of three electoral votes. However, each state’s total allotment is based on its representation in the Senate (always two people) and the House (varies by population). “So take Washington, D.C., as an example,” says DeRosa. “More people live in D.C. than in Wyoming, the least populous state in the union; but they both get three electoral votes.” (Plus, unlike Wyoming, D.C. gets no voting representation in Congress.)

THE UGLY​

The biggest problem with the Electoral College is that it encourages vote suppression, says DeRosa. Southern states always had an advantage in the population count, because they got electoral votes appointed on the basis of their slave populations and their white populations. That gave the states extra representation for people they weren’t really representing at all.

After the Civil War, former slaves were counted as “whole” persons, not three-fifths of one, for purposes of electoral vote allotment. But Black voter suppression still took place through Jim Crow laws. This further “inflated the electoral count of people who were not representing all the people in their state,” says DeRosa. “So the Electoral College became a pillar of white supremacy.”

THE FUTURE​

Love it or hate it, the Electoral College is here to stay because changing it would require “constitutional surgery,” says DeRosa. “You would need three-fourths of the states to ratify any change, and too many states that are intent on suppressing votes benefit from the Electoral College.” The downside? “If you never have to appeal to the electorate because you’re successfully suppressing some large part of it, then you have a broken system.”


The first problem with the Electoral College is that it gives more weight to voters in small states than those in more populous ones, says DeRosa. Every state gets a minimum of three electoral votes.

That's a feature, not a bug.

After the Civil War, former slaves were counted as “whole” persons, not three-fifths of one, for purposes of electoral vote allotment. But Black voter suppression still took place through Jim Crow laws. This further “inflated the electoral count of people who were not representing all the people in their state,” says DeRosa.

Today, states with large numbers of illegal aliens get extra representation.
 
This isn't a debate. We are a democracy.
It is a debate because you assert a falsehood. We most assuredly are not a “democracy.” We are and have always been a constitutional republic.

And, manboob, you are both very stupid and a committed liar.
 
There's the usual sore-loser conspiracy babbling. Some losers just don't have the courage to admit they lost fair and square.

So, why do you think a voter in Wyoming should have more influence than a voter in NYC?

That is the fundamental point here, the unfairness of it, and the raging elitism of the uber-elitist conservatives. Elitism is the fundamental force driving conservatives. They believe that, since they are superior master-race humans, they have a divine right to rule over and force obedience from the majority that they consider to be subhuman.
OMG, Stop projecting here....What you described is exactly how liberal Democrats view anyone who is NOT a liberal Democrat...

Look, the EC was formed to equal the say between the States...That is as, if not more valid today as it was then...
 
You would think Luke Skywalker, of all people, would understand the threats of tyranny of the majority...."this is how democracy dies, with thunderous applause...."
Luke didn't say that.
 
They are dinosaurs that serve no useful economic or political purpose in today's world. What useful purpose do they serve? What do you think?
What "debt ceiling"? How the fuck are we $34 T in debt? There is no debt ceiling!
 
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You forgot to subtract the illegal vote and the fake leftyvirus mailin ballots.
 
This isn't a debate. We are a democracy. Only those fascists most dedicated to destroying that democracy pretend otherwise.


No, you believe in the rights of the crazy 20%, the tyrannical minority that wants to force obedience from the liberty-minded 80%.

In contrast, we believe in the rights of the 100%. Liberal policies aren't forcing obedience from anyone, as your policies do. We just leave people alone.

So how do you kooks justify your "Tyranny of the majority is bad, but tyranny of the minority rocks!" philosophy?
“A republic, if you can keep it.”
--Benjamin Franklin's response to Elizabeth Willing Powel's question: "Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?"


But what did Ben Franklin know about what he help create? I mean he was only in the room.

It seems the facist are doing all they can NOT to keep it....
 

B.S.

Some wanted direct vote while others wanted Congress to pick the president. The electoral college was enacted as a compromise to that. When enacted almost all states were slave states. (Vermont might have been the only state that banned it)

Alexander Hamilton noted that it might not be perfect but it was an excellent solution.

There is a way to change things........a Constitutional Amendment. It's not going to happen so stop whining about it and pick decent candidates.
 

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