The First Black Republican Presidential Nominee Will Be.....

[Grumblenuts]

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[Correll]

1. And you are using it to dismiss whites and white interests, with an implication that we are wealthy and white and thus our concerns are not to be taken seriously.

You just make shit up. I'm white. I have "interests." I speak for me. I don't try to to speak for you because I'm not an asshole. You don't get to speak for me. You inferring "implications" to argue with yourself about is as pathetic as pathetic gets.

2. That the justification for your assumption of blacks being morally superior

That's all you just making shit up again. I never said anything of the sort. Asshole.

3. And that you would Godwin your fellow American whites

There ya go girl! Clutch them pearls, you shameless pansy!

1. What "white" interests do you speak out for? Pick one for discussion purposes. ONE, your freaking moron. No gish gallop bullshit.

2. You "defer" to them, on certain, very large and important issues, because you believe their experiences and minority perspective, give them a better understanding that you, a white man operating from a position of "privilege" can have. That is a form of Moral Superiority. For one Race to be superior to your own race. You are an anti-white racist.

3. There is nothing "pansy" about calling you out for insulting US, by comparing and to some extent even equating our treatment of blacks to the Nazis treatment of Jews. You are being an asshole.

I'm white (for census purposes) and I have interests. I don't have "white interests." Only asshole racists like you think you have "white interests."
I defer to some minority members to best describe their own situation just as I defer to my dentist to best describe the condition of my teeth. Their viewing angle is clearly better. It has nothing to do with superior morals.
You're just pissed since I caught you Godwinning something last week. Ignore the point then. I write for the benefit of others anyway, not for hopelessly self-deluded wackos like you.

1. Got it. So, not only do you dismiss white interests, but you consider any belief in white interest to be "Racist". So, all you push back when I said you "dismissed white interests", why did you instead not just honestly say that, instead of denying it?


2. It is not racist to discuss white interests, nor to even advocate for them. All groups have moral and legal right to have their interests and to pursue them in the political realm. That you think that whites are special and for some reason DON'T have that right, is just another facet of your belief that whites are morally inferior to other racial groups. IE, your anti-white racism.


3. Race relations in this country are two way streets. It is not just "their situation". You defer to blacks and you dismiss whites. Based on race. That is racism from you.

Go right ahead then, Einstein. Grab your nuts and list all these lovely "white interests" of yours..

I'll be glad to give you a good example, for discussion purposes, after you explain to me, why you did not just state initially, that you do not believe that whites have interests and that stating that whites have interests is, in your view, racist?


I mean, other groups have interests, right? Blacks for one random example, you dont' have a problem with some black man, advocating for Black interests do you?

 

[Correll]

Republicans struggle to elect blacks to Congress. Electing one as president won't happen in this century.

I don't know why this is an issue for Democrats in the first place since they don't like conservatives anyway. If you don't like conservatives or conservative values, you're not going to like a black Republican. And if a black Republican does get nominated, it's unlikely he/she would be elected and Democrats would be largely responsible for this. The reason being because a lot of black Democrats already consider conservative blacks as sellouts and Uncle Toms.

All of this nonsense about black Republican presidential nominees is just farting in a hurricane. Speaking for myself, I don't care how many blacks the Republican party has. A black person will either choose to be Republican or not, I don't give a shit and I don't want some kind of quota. If the Republican party doesn't have what a black person wants, shut the fuck up and become a Democrat. Same goes for white people.

So a black Republican can't get elected without support from Democrats?

I said black Democrats. The party of which most blacks in this country belong to.

Thanks for admitting that many Republicans and conservatives are racist. I already knew that but it's nice to see your side admit it.

Thanks for admitting your prejudice in assuming many Republicans and conservatives are racist.

You know, most Republicans are not racist and are completely baffled and angered by this trumped up hypocritical Democrat crusade against their imaginary racism and are quite frankly, sick and fucking tired of it.

Yep. They complain about divisive politics, but don't realize how divisive it is, to accuse large numbers of people, falsely.


They are pissing off EVERYONE. AT EVERYONE ELSE.

It's not false.

Every time you do that, you are tearing this nation apart. You piss off the majority of whites, who are getting more and more pissed off at being treated like dirt.


And you get minorities pissed off at whites, because you are filling their heads with fear of the supposedly evul racist whites.


If your plan was to ruin this nation and inflame racial tension to the point of permanently damaging this nation, one would be hard pressed to come up with a better plan of action, than what you have already done.


I mean, I just always assumed that you lefties knew that and just considered it the cost of doing business.


Are you claiming that that is not true? That you did NOT know that?


Oh, wait, is this just more lying from you?


Whatever. FUck off and die.

Fuck you. The ones tearing this nation apart are the racists, not the ones calling out the racists.

Except that your accusations of racism, are almost always bullshit and you know it.


And so do the people you smear and vilify and marginalize.


you lefties, with your constant spreading of fear and hate, are tearing this country apart.

 

[Grumblenuts]

1. And you are using it to dismiss whites and white interests, with an implication that we are wealthy and white and thus our concerns are not to be taken seriously.

You just make shit up. I'm white. I have "interests." I speak for me. I don't try to to speak for you because I'm not an asshole. You don't get to speak for me. You inferring "implications" to argue with yourself about is as pathetic as pathetic gets.

2. That the justification for your assumption of blacks being morally superior

That's all you just making shit up again. I never said anything of the sort. Asshole.

3. And that you would Godwin your fellow American whites

There ya go girl! Clutch them pearls, you shameless pansy!

1. What "white" interests do you speak out for? Pick one for discussion purposes. ONE, your freaking moron. No gish gallop bullshit.

2. You "defer" to them, on certain, very large and important issues, because you believe their experiences and minority perspective, give them a better understanding that you, a white man operating from a position of "privilege" can have. That is a form of Moral Superiority. For one Race to be superior to your own race. You are an anti-white racist.

3. There is nothing "pansy" about calling you out for insulting US, by comparing and to some extent even equating our treatment of blacks to the Nazis treatment of Jews. You are being an asshole.

I'm white (for census purposes) and I have interests. I don't have "white interests." Only asshole racists like you think you have "white interests."
I defer to some minority members to best describe their own situation just as I defer to my dentist to best describe the condition of my teeth. Their viewing angle is clearly better. It has nothing to do with superior morals.
You're just pissed since I caught you Godwinning something last week. Ignore the point then. I write for the benefit of others anyway, not for hopelessly self-deluded wackos like you.

1. Got it. So, not only do you dismiss white interests, but you consider any belief in white interest to be "Racist". So, all you push back when I said you "dismissed white interests", why did you instead not just honestly say that, instead of denying it?


2. It is not racist to discuss white interests, nor to even advocate for them. All groups have moral and legal right to have their interests and to pursue them in the political realm. That you think that whites are special and for some reason DON'T have that right, is just another facet of your belief that whites are morally inferior to other racial groups. IE, your anti-white racism.


3. Race relations in this country are two way streets. It is not just "their situation". You defer to blacks and you dismiss whites. Based on race. That is racism from you.

Go right ahead then, Einstein. Grab your nuts and list all these lovely "white interests" of yours..

I'll be glad to give you a good example, for discussion purposes, after you explain to me, why you did not just state initially, that you do not believe that whites have interests and that stating that whites have interests is, in your view, racist?


I mean, other groups have interests, right? Blacks for one random example, you dont' have a problem with some black man, advocating for Black interests do you?

Yeah, funny thing. Somehow I always find myself far more interested in what the guy with the boot on his neck has to say about the situation than the one wearing the boot. Underdog fetish perhaps..?

Meanwhile.. stop pussy footing around and list your precious "white interests" already..

 

[Correll]

Republicans struggle to elect blacks to Congress. Electing one as president won't happen in this century.

Or t

Any attempt to give favorable treatment to blacks, to make up for past disadvantages, by the math principle of simple subtraction, takes away those limited resources from whites. That this practice has grown from just blacks to fucking EVERYONE who is not a white, normal, healthy male, has just made the practice even more harmful to whites.

Who's the racist?

Add sexist. Because white females have prospered more than any other demographic in America due to Affirmative Action.

Which I am fine with.


Interestingly though, white males if extrapolated as a single demographic, represent roughly 30% of the US population, yet hold over 70% of managerial positions in the workforce.

There is no credible metric out there that supports the assertion that white males are "being discriminated against" on a mass scale.

That is pure, misinformed hysteria at work.

Simply because after multiple generations of privileged treatment, mandated equality feels like oppression.

Lefties always like to look at results when it comes to discrimination, because the failed families and schools and communities created by lefties. create huge gaps, that they can pretend might come from "racism".


But they know that if you look at what is actually going on comparing the action processes that get to those numbers, that the reasons for the various gaps, are never "white racism" but more often liberal policies causing dysfunction in a minority demographic.


Grumble has posted about the big gap in education. Liberals often complain about it and want to take steps to address it.


But they never make the obvious connection that if blacks are graduating from college at a much lower rate, then that would have impacts in "metrics" like how many blacks end up in management positions.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Idiots like ghost talk about quotas only when it pertains to black people.

Idiots like IM2 confuse "I don't want quotas" with "I don't want blacks".

IM2, I believe you may be suffering a form of comprehension dyslexia. The letters are all in the right place and facing the right way but you always seem to get the meaning backwards.

But he doesn't consider 100 percent white a quota.

100 per cent is not a quota dumbass. And the Republican party is not 100 per cent white anyway.

Quota - 1: A proportional part or share.
2: The number or amount constituting a proportional share.

Look it up.

Secondly there are black republicans who are not right wing. Conservatives have no place in todays republican party, the leadership are right wing extremists and the blacks they champion are right wing black stooges.

Opinion.

Why do you think that COlin Powell would not have won the 96 election?

Back then it would have been likely. Or at least, he would have made a good showing. But in today's racially divided political climate? I just don't know.

There's no doubt in my mind that most Republicans would vote for Powell today, provided he still held to the conservative values he held back then (some say he leans a little more left today than he did then. I don't know, myself). But, I'm no political science expert but it seems to me that most elections are not won or lost by party members strictly voting their party. A lot of elections swing on convincing the fence-sitters and in today's racially charged atmosphere, a lot of erstwhile black fence-sitters are leaning left because other blacks and many liberal whites are screaming racial dogma at them that if they don't vote Democrat, they are selling out and betraying their race.

We are not "racially divided" in that whites are angry at blacks. We are angry at Liberals who keep attacking us on various bullshit reasons.


All any black republican candidate would have to do, is demonstrate somehow that they are not part of that group, and they would not be judged as part of that group.


It would be easy. The most obvious way to do it, would be in the primaries to speak out in DEFENSE of one of his primary opponents, who were falsely accused of racism by some moron, for attacking him.


It would demonstrate that he was disagreeing with his opponents on policy, but not calling him "racists" for disagreeing with a black man.


Obama never said that. Or if he did, he did not mean it. Right there, any fence sitters would know, that the black republican was NOT one of the assholes.

You may be absolutely right. Question is: would it happen this way? Would a black Republican be able to sway the black fence-sitter? I don't know. But I do know it would be more of a challenge today than say, twenty years ago.

IMO, that fact that Powell would NOT be swaying the BLACK fence sitters so much as WHITE fence sitters, or more commonly referred to Reagan Democrats, would have been a GOOD thing.


It would have made the milestone of the "First Black President" STRONGER, for him to have been elected primarily by whites instead of by high black turnout.


Indeed, the idea that a BLACK republican's job, would be to appeal to BLACK voters, is buying into the identity politics of the Left.


Powell's big assets were his connection to Reagan and his military background, especially the win he got some credit for, in The Persian Gulf War.


Not his skin color.

I think you may be misunderstanding where I'm coming from (or maybe I'm misunderstanding where you are coming from). I don't buy into identity politics any more than you. I don't think skin color should be a factor in anything. But unfortunately, this is the political climate we find ourselves in and the left is largely responsible for this.

I think a black nominee should campaign solely on a political platform and not make race an issue. I don't think he should try to win black fence-sitters on anything but that. However, race is very much an issue for a lot of blacks and I'm afraid they would assess a black nominee based on what he says along those lines.

It's not a reality I agree with or care for but it is reality nonetheless.

IMO, a black republican would be heard by white fence sitters mostly pretty fine.

I would love to see the funny pretzel logic the libs would have to come up with, to justify calling us Racist in such a scenario.

Actually, I agree. I don't think white fence-sitters would be a real concern. The concern would be the black fence-sitters as it would depend on how they would respond to Democrat blacks telling them they would be selling out if they voted Republican.

 

[Correll]

Republicans struggle to elect blacks to Congress. Electing one as president won't happen in this century.

I don't know why this is an issue for Democrats in the first place since they don't like conservatives anyway. If you don't like conservatives or conservative values, you're not going to like a black Republican. And if a black Republican does get nominated, it's unlikely he/she would be elected and Democrats would be largely responsible for this. The reason being because a lot of black Democrats already consider conservative blacks as sellouts and Uncle Toms.

All of this nonsense about black Republican presidential nominees is just farting in a hurricane. Speaking for myself, I don't care how many blacks the Republican party has. A black person will either choose to be Republican or not, I don't give a shit and I don't want some kind of quota. If the Republican party doesn't have what a black person wants, shut the fuck up and become a Democrat. Same goes for white people.

So a black Republican can't get elected without support from Democrats?

Thanks for admitting that many Republicans and conservatives are racist. I already knew that but it's nice to see your side admit it.

Colin Powell would have easily defeated Bill Clinton according to exit polls in 1996. I would have happily voted for him against Bill Clinton. Some of my republican friends were really big fans of his.

That not many blacks would likely have crossed party lines, would not have mattered, and actually, imo, would have been a good thing.

I don't know why Ghost thinks that a black republican candidate would not win, or could not win without black dem voters. But he is incorrect.

LOL

If he's incorrect, where is the black Republican president? ...

Colin Powell did not run because he did not have a "passion for politics". That is where the most recent chance of a black republican President went.


Can you blame him? You libs are fucking nightmares to deal with.

Take the log out of your eye, you rightards are also nightmares.

So, you admit it. THe primary reason that Colin Power did not run, was him not wanting the job.


Can you admit that he would have been a strong contender for the nomination, if he had run, as the polling showed?

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Republicans struggle to elect blacks to Congress. Electing one as president won't happen in this century.

I don't know why this is an issue for Democrats in the first place since they don't like conservatives anyway. If you don't like conservatives or conservative values, you're not going to like a black Republican. And if a black Republican does get nominated, it's unlikely he/she would be elected and Democrats would be largely responsible for this. The reason being because a lot of black Democrats already consider conservative blacks as sellouts and Uncle Toms.

All of this nonsense about black Republican presidential nominees is just farting in a hurricane. Speaking for myself, I don't care how many blacks the Republican party has. A black person will either choose to be Republican or not, I don't give a shit and I don't want some kind of quota. If the Republican party doesn't have what a black person wants, shut the fuck up and become a Democrat. Same goes for white people.

So a black Republican can't get elected without support from Democrats?

I said black Democrats. The party of which most blacks in this country belong to.

Thanks for admitting that many Republicans and conservatives are racist. I already knew that but it's nice to see your side admit it.

Thanks for admitting your prejudice in assuming many Republicans and conservatives are racist.

You know, most Republicans are not racist and are completely baffled and angered by this trumped up hypocritical Democrat crusade against their imaginary racism and are quite frankly, sick and fucking tired of it.

LOL

YOU admitted many Republicans/conservatives are racist.

*LOL*

No, I did not.

YOU said a black Republican struggles to get elected...

No, I did not.

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"And if a black Republican does get nominated, it's unlikely he/she would be elected and Democrats would be largely responsible for this."

​

... it wouldn't be a problem if there weren't so many racists on the right.

It wouldn't be a problem if you didn't think there were so many racists on the right.

As for whether or not a black Republican nominee could get elected, I can't say that he would not get elected and I didn't say that in the first place. However, one thing I know for sure: many blacks would see him/her as a sellout and an Uncle Tom for deserting or not joining the party they think he should have. You know this as well as I do.

"No, I did not. "

The fuck you didn't.

Right, the fuck I didn't.

"And if a black Republican does get nominated, it's unlikely he/she would be elected"

​

Quoted out of context. How original.

 

[Correll]

1. And you are using it to dismiss whites and white interests, with an implication that we are wealthy and white and thus our concerns are not to be taken seriously.

You just make shit up. I'm white. I have "interests." I speak for me. I don't try to to speak for you because I'm not an asshole. You don't get to speak for me. You inferring "implications" to argue with yourself about is as pathetic as pathetic gets.

2. That the justification for your assumption of blacks being morally superior

That's all you just making shit up again. I never said anything of the sort. Asshole.

3. And that you would Godwin your fellow American whites

There ya go girl! Clutch them pearls, you shameless pansy!

1. What "white" interests do you speak out for? Pick one for discussion purposes. ONE, your freaking moron. No gish gallop bullshit.

2. You "defer" to them, on certain, very large and important issues, because you believe their experiences and minority perspective, give them a better understanding that you, a white man operating from a position of "privilege" can have. That is a form of Moral Superiority. For one Race to be superior to your own race. You are an anti-white racist.

3. There is nothing "pansy" about calling you out for insulting US, by comparing and to some extent even equating our treatment of blacks to the Nazis treatment of Jews. You are being an asshole.

I'm white (for census purposes) and I have interests. I don't have "white interests." Only asshole racists like you think you have "white interests."
I defer to some minority members to best describe their own situation just as I defer to my dentist to best describe the condition of my teeth. Their viewing angle is clearly better. It has nothing to do with superior morals.
You're just pissed since I caught you Godwinning something last week. Ignore the point then. I write for the benefit of others anyway, not for hopelessly self-deluded wackos like you.

1. Got it. So, not only do you dismiss white interests, but you consider any belief in white interest to be "Racist". So, all you push back when I said you "dismissed white interests", why did you instead not just honestly say that, instead of denying it?


2. It is not racist to discuss white interests, nor to even advocate for them. All groups have moral and legal right to have their interests and to pursue them in the political realm. That you think that whites are special and for some reason DON'T have that right, is just another facet of your belief that whites are morally inferior to other racial groups. IE, your anti-white racism.


3. Race relations in this country are two way streets. It is not just "their situation". You defer to blacks and you dismiss whites. Based on race. That is racism from you.

Go right ahead then, Einstein. Grab your nuts and list all these lovely "white interests" of yours..

I'll be glad to give you a good example, for discussion purposes, after you explain to me, why you did not just state initially, that you do not believe that whites have interests and that stating that whites have interests is, in your view, racist?


I mean, other groups have interests, right? Blacks for one random example, you dont' have a problem with some black man, advocating for Black interests do you?

Yeah, funny thing. Somehow I always find myself far more interested in what the guy with the boot on his neck has to say about the situation than the one wearing the boot. Underdog fetish perhaps..?

Meanwhile.. stop pussy footing around and list your precious "white interests" already..

And how is that not Moral Superiority?


And I'm not pussyfooting around. The point of whether or not Whites have the right to have Interests is obviously relevant to what those interests might be.


Indeed, asking for details on the interests, when you are opposed to the very idea of such interests and indeed, consider such discussion racist and taboo,


is kind of putting the cart before the horse.



My question stands. HOw is what you describe, not blacks having, in your world view, Moral Superiority, based on their supposed victimhood?

 

[Faun]

Republicans struggle to elect blacks to Congress. Electing one as president won't happen in this century.

I don't know why this is an issue for Democrats in the first place since they don't like conservatives anyway. If you don't like conservatives or conservative values, you're not going to like a black Republican. And if a black Republican does get nominated, it's unlikely he/she would be elected and Democrats would be largely responsible for this. The reason being because a lot of black Democrats already consider conservative blacks as sellouts and Uncle Toms.

All of this nonsense about black Republican presidential nominees is just farting in a hurricane. Speaking for myself, I don't care how many blacks the Republican party has. A black person will either choose to be Republican or not, I don't give a shit and I don't want some kind of quota. If the Republican party doesn't have what a black person wants, shut the fuck up and become a Democrat. Same goes for white people.

So a black Republican can't get elected without support from Democrats?

I said black Democrats. The party of which most blacks in this country belong to.

Thanks for admitting that many Republicans and conservatives are racist. I already knew that but it's nice to see your side admit it.

Thanks for admitting your prejudice in assuming many Republicans and conservatives are racist.

You know, most Republicans are not racist and are completely baffled and angered by this trumped up hypocritical Democrat crusade against their imaginary racism and are quite frankly, sick and fucking tired of it.

Yep. They complain about divisive politics, but don't realize how divisive it is, to accuse large numbers of people, falsely.


They are pissing off EVERYONE. AT EVERYONE ELSE.

It's not false.

Every time you do that, you are tearing this nation apart. You piss off the majority of whites, who are getting more and more pissed off at being treated like dirt.


And you get minorities pissed off at whites, because you are filling their heads with fear of the supposedly evul racist whites.


If your plan was to ruin this nation and inflame racial tension to the point of permanently damaging this nation, one would be hard pressed to come up with a better plan of action, than what you have already done.


I mean, I just always assumed that you lefties knew that and just considered it the cost of doing business.


Are you claiming that that is not true? That you did NOT know that?


Oh, wait, is this just more lying from you?


Whatever. FUck off and die.

Fuck you. The ones tearing this nation apart are the racists, not the ones calling out the racists.

Except that your accusations of racism, are almost always bullshit and you know it.


And so do the people you smear and vilify and marginalize.


you lefties, with your constant spreading of fear and hate, are tearing this country apart.

^^^ Utter bulllshit.

 

[Correll]

Idiots like ghost talk about quotas only when it pertains to black people.

Idiots like IM2 confuse "I don't want quotas" with "I don't want blacks".

IM2, I believe you may be suffering a form of comprehension dyslexia. The letters are all in the right place and facing the right way but you always seem to get the meaning backwards.

But he doesn't consider 100 percent white a quota.

100 per cent is not a quota dumbass. And the Republican party is not 100 per cent white anyway.

Quota - 1: A proportional part or share.
2: The number or amount constituting a proportional share.

Look it up.

Secondly there are black republicans who are not right wing. Conservatives have no place in todays republican party, the leadership are right wing extremists and the blacks they champion are right wing black stooges.

Opinion.

Why do you think that COlin Powell would not have won the 96 election?

Back then it would have been likely. Or at least, he would have made a good showing. But in today's racially divided political climate? I just don't know.

There's no doubt in my mind that most Republicans would vote for Powell today, provided he still held to the conservative values he held back then (some say he leans a little more left today than he did then. I don't know, myself). But, I'm no political science expert but it seems to me that most elections are not won or lost by party members strictly voting their party. A lot of elections swing on convincing the fence-sitters and in today's racially charged atmosphere, a lot of erstwhile black fence-sitters are leaning left because other blacks and many liberal whites are screaming racial dogma at them that if they don't vote Democrat, they are selling out and betraying their race.

We are not "racially divided" in that whites are angry at blacks. We are angry at Liberals who keep attacking us on various bullshit reasons.


All any black republican candidate would have to do, is demonstrate somehow that they are not part of that group, and they would not be judged as part of that group.


It would be easy. The most obvious way to do it, would be in the primaries to speak out in DEFENSE of one of his primary opponents, who were falsely accused of racism by some moron, for attacking him.


It would demonstrate that he was disagreeing with his opponents on policy, but not calling him "racists" for disagreeing with a black man.


Obama never said that. Or if he did, he did not mean it. Right there, any fence sitters would know, that the black republican was NOT one of the assholes.

You may be absolutely right. Question is: would it happen this way? Would a black Republican be able to sway the black fence-sitter? I don't know. But I do know it would be more of a challenge today than say, twenty years ago.

IMO, that fact that Powell would NOT be swaying the BLACK fence sitters so much as WHITE fence sitters, or more commonly referred to Reagan Democrats, would have been a GOOD thing.


It would have made the milestone of the "First Black President" STRONGER, for him to have been elected primarily by whites instead of by high black turnout.


Indeed, the idea that a BLACK republican's job, would be to appeal to BLACK voters, is buying into the identity politics of the Left.


Powell's big assets were his connection to Reagan and his military background, especially the win he got some credit for, in The Persian Gulf War.


Not his skin color.

I think you may be misunderstanding where I'm coming from (or maybe I'm misunderstanding where you are coming from). I don't buy into identity politics any more than you. I don't think skin color should be a factor in anything. But unfortunately, this is the political climate we find ourselves in and the left is largely responsible for this.

I think a black nominee should campaign solely on a political platform and not make race an issue. I don't think he should try to win black fence-sitters on anything but that. However, race is very much an issue for a lot of blacks and I'm afraid they would assess a black nominee based on what he says along those lines.

It's not a reality I agree with or care for but it is reality nonetheless.

IMO, a black republican would be heard by white fence sitters mostly pretty fine.

I would love to see the funny pretzel logic the libs would have to come up with, to justify calling us Racist in such a scenario.

Actually, I agree. I don't think white fence-sitters would be a real concern. The concern would be the black fence-sitters as it would depend on how they would respond to Democrat blacks telling them they would be selling out if they voted Republican.

Which is how it always is, so normal, ie NOT a concern.


Funny, in that it would be funny to see the white libs telling conservative black voters, that it would be racist of them to vote for the black guy that more closely matches their policies, than the white guy.

Very funny,

But not a matter of concern.

 

[Correll]

Republicans struggle to elect blacks to Congress. Electing one as president won't happen in this century.

I don't know why this is an issue for Democrats in the first place since they don't like conservatives anyway. If you don't like conservatives or conservative values, you're not going to like a black Republican. And if a black Republican does get nominated, it's unlikely he/she would be elected and Democrats would be largely responsible for this. The reason being because a lot of black Democrats already consider conservative blacks as sellouts and Uncle Toms.

All of this nonsense about black Republican presidential nominees is just farting in a hurricane. Speaking for myself, I don't care how many blacks the Republican party has. A black person will either choose to be Republican or not, I don't give a shit and I don't want some kind of quota. If the Republican party doesn't have what a black person wants, shut the fuck up and become a Democrat. Same goes for white people.

So a black Republican can't get elected without support from Democrats?

I said black Democrats. The party of which most blacks in this country belong to.

Thanks for admitting that many Republicans and conservatives are racist. I already knew that but it's nice to see your side admit it.

Thanks for admitting your prejudice in assuming many Republicans and conservatives are racist.

You know, most Republicans are not racist and are completely baffled and angered by this trumped up hypocritical Democrat crusade against their imaginary racism and are quite frankly, sick and fucking tired of it.

Yep. They complain about divisive politics, but don't realize how divisive it is, to accuse large numbers of people, falsely.


They are pissing off EVERYONE. AT EVERYONE ELSE.

It's not false.

Every time you do that, you are tearing this nation apart. You piss off the majority of whites, who are getting more and more pissed off at being treated like dirt.


And you get minorities pissed off at whites, because you are filling their heads with fear of the supposedly evul racist whites.


If your plan was to ruin this nation and inflame racial tension to the point of permanently damaging this nation, one would be hard pressed to come up with a better plan of action, than what you have already done.


I mean, I just always assumed that you lefties knew that and just considered it the cost of doing business.


Are you claiming that that is not true? That you did NOT know that?


Oh, wait, is this just more lying from you?


Whatever. FUck off and die.

Fuck you. The ones tearing this nation apart are the racists, not the ones calling out the racists.

Except that your accusations of racism, are almost always bullshit and you know it.


And so do the people you smear and vilify and marginalize.


you lefties, with your constant spreading of fear and hate, are tearing this country apart.

^^^ Utter bulllshit.

See here is the deal. THe debate has, as always with you racebaiting fuckers, moved around to where the thing for me to do to make a fool of you, is to challenge you, give me your best example.


And instead you would post various forms of bullshit, ranging from pretending it is a crazy question, to a bunch of links of gish galloping bullshit.


And we could go back and forth, but the result is what you alway want, ie we spend all week discussion whether or not republican are "racist".

Creating the illusion that with so much smoke, there the idea that there might be fire, must be valid.


FUCK THAT SHIT. FUCK YOU, YOU ARE THE ONES TEARING THIS NATION APART. GO FUCK YOURSELF.


Eat a big old pile of dicks, choke on them and die, you race baiting asshole.

 

[katsteve2012]

Republicans struggle to elect blacks to Congress. Electing one as president won't happen in this century.

Or t

Any attempt to give favorable treatment to blacks, to make up for past disadvantages, by the math principle of simple subtraction, takes away those limited resources from whites. That this practice has grown from just blacks to fucking EVERYONE who is not a white, normal, healthy male, has just made the practice even more harmful to whites.

Who's the racist?

Add sexist. Because white females have prospered more than any other demographic in America due to Affirmative Action.

Which I am fine with.


Interestingly though, white males if extrapolated as a single demographic, represent roughly 30% of the US population, yet hold over 70% of managerial positions in the workforce.

There is no credible metric out there that supports the assertion that white males are "being discriminated against" on a mass scale.

That is pure, misinformed hysteria at work.

Simply because after multiple generations of privileged treatment, mandated equality feels like oppression.

Lefties always like to look at results when it comes to discrimination, because the failed families and schools and communities created by lefties. create huge gaps, that they can pretend might come from "racism".


But they know that if you look at what is actually going on comparing the action processes that get to those numbers, that the reasons for the various gaps, are never "white racism" but more often liberal policies causing dysfunction in a minority demographic.


Grumble has posted about the big gap in education. Liberals often complain about it and want to take steps to address it.


But they never make the obvious connection that if blacks are graduating from college at a much lower rate, then that would have impacts in "metrics" like how many blacks end up in management positions.

Admissions and graduation levels are two different entities.

In order to graduate, one must first be admitted.

Blacks more typically attend junior colleges after graduation from high school, based on financial reasons as opposed to being admitted to a 4 year university through programs like "legacy admissions" and after progressing to 4 year institutions are far more likely to go into debt, just in order to attend.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Republicans struggle to elect blacks to Congress. Electing one as president won't happen in this century.

I don't know why this is an issue for Democrats in the first place since they don't like conservatives anyway. If you don't like conservatives or conservative values, you're not going to like a black Republican. And if a black Republican does get nominated, it's unlikely he/she would be elected and Democrats would be largely responsible for this. The reason being because a lot of black Democrats already consider conservative blacks as sellouts and Uncle Toms.

All of this nonsense about black Republican presidential nominees is just farting in a hurricane. Speaking for myself, I don't care how many blacks the Republican party has. A black person will either choose to be Republican or not, I don't give a shit and I don't want some kind of quota. If the Republican party doesn't have what a black person wants, shut the fuck up and become a Democrat. Same goes for white people.

So a black Republican can't get elected without support from Democrats?

I said black Democrats. The party of which most blacks in this country belong to.

Thanks for admitting that many Republicans and conservatives are racist. I already knew that but it's nice to see your side admit it.

Thanks for admitting your prejudice in assuming many Republicans and conservatives are racist.

You know, most Republicans are not racist and are completely baffled and angered by this trumped up hypocritical Democrat crusade against their imaginary racism and are quite frankly, sick and fucking tired of it.

LOL

YOU admitted many Republicans/conservatives are racist.

*LOL*

No, I did not.

YOU said a black Republican struggles to get elected...

No, I did not.

​

"And if a black Republican does get nominated, it's unlikely he/she would be elected and Democrats would be largely responsible for this."

​

... it wouldn't be a problem if there weren't so many racists on the right.

It wouldn't be a problem if you didn't think there were so many racists on the right.

As for whether or not a black Republican nominee could get elected, I can't say that he would not get elected and I didn't say that in the first place. However, one thing I know for sure: many blacks would see him/her as a sellout and an Uncle Tom for deserting or not joining the party they think he should have. You know this as well as I do.

"No, I did not. "

The fuck you didn't.

Right, the fuck I didn't.

"And if a black Republican does get nominated, it's unlikely he/she would be elected"

​

Quoted out of context. How original.

I think you know by now that I do not agree that most conservatives are racist and that I did not mean what you think I said. So what is the point in your pursuing this?

 

[Faun]

Republicans struggle to elect blacks to Congress. Electing one as president won't happen in this century.

I don't know why this is an issue for Democrats in the first place since they don't like conservatives anyway. If you don't like conservatives or conservative values, you're not going to like a black Republican. And if a black Republican does get nominated, it's unlikely he/she would be elected and Democrats would be largely responsible for this. The reason being because a lot of black Democrats already consider conservative blacks as sellouts and Uncle Toms.

All of this nonsense about black Republican presidential nominees is just farting in a hurricane. Speaking for myself, I don't care how many blacks the Republican party has. A black person will either choose to be Republican or not, I don't give a shit and I don't want some kind of quota. If the Republican party doesn't have what a black person wants, shut the fuck up and become a Democrat. Same goes for white people.

So a black Republican can't get elected without support from Democrats?

Thanks for admitting that many Republicans and conservatives are racist. I already knew that but it's nice to see your side admit it.

Colin Powell would have easily defeated Bill Clinton according to exit polls in 1996. I would have happily voted for him against Bill Clinton. Some of my republican friends were really big fans of his.

That not many blacks would likely have crossed party lines, would not have mattered, and actually, imo, would have been a good thing.

I don't know why Ghost thinks that a black republican candidate would not win, or could not win without black dem voters. But he is incorrect.

LOL

If he's incorrect, where is the black Republican president? ...

Colin Powell did not run because he did not have a "passion for politics". That is where the most recent chance of a black republican President went.


Can you blame him? You libs are fucking nightmares to deal with.

Take the log out of your eye, you rightards are also nightmares.

So, you admit it. THe primary reason that Colin Power did not run, was him not wanting the job.


Can you admit that he would have been a strong contender for the nomination, if he had run, as the polling showed?

I admitted nothing about Powell, ya flaming moron. I didn't follow Powell to know if he was or was not thinking about running; or if so, why not.

 

[Faun]

Republicans struggle to elect blacks to Congress. Electing one as president won't happen in this century.

I don't know why this is an issue for Democrats in the first place since they don't like conservatives anyway. If you don't like conservatives or conservative values, you're not going to like a black Republican. And if a black Republican does get nominated, it's unlikely he/she would be elected and Democrats would be largely responsible for this. The reason being because a lot of black Democrats already consider conservative blacks as sellouts and Uncle Toms.

All of this nonsense about black Republican presidential nominees is just farting in a hurricane. Speaking for myself, I don't care how many blacks the Republican party has. A black person will either choose to be Republican or not, I don't give a shit and I don't want some kind of quota. If the Republican party doesn't have what a black person wants, shut the fuck up and become a Democrat. Same goes for white people.

So a black Republican can't get elected without support from Democrats?

I said black Democrats. The party of which most blacks in this country belong to.

Thanks for admitting that many Republicans and conservatives are racist. I already knew that but it's nice to see your side admit it.

Thanks for admitting your prejudice in assuming many Republicans and conservatives are racist.

You know, most Republicans are not racist and are completely baffled and angered by this trumped up hypocritical Democrat crusade against their imaginary racism and are quite frankly, sick and fucking tired of it.

LOL

YOU admitted many Republicans/conservatives are racist.

*LOL*

No, I did not.

YOU said a black Republican struggles to get elected...

No, I did not.

​

"And if a black Republican does get nominated, it's unlikely he/she would be elected and Democrats would be largely responsible for this."

​

... it wouldn't be a problem if there weren't so many racists on the right.

It wouldn't be a problem if you didn't think there were so many racists on the right.

As for whether or not a black Republican nominee could get elected, I can't say that he would not get elected and I didn't say that in the first place. However, one thing I know for sure: many blacks would see him/her as a sellout and an Uncle Tom for deserting or not joining the party they think he should have. You know this as well as I do.

"No, I did not. "

The fuck you didn't.

Right, the fuck I didn't.

"And if a black Republican does get nominated, it's unlikely he/she would be elected"

​

Quoted out of context. How original.

I think you know by now that I do not agree that most conservatives are racist and that I did not mean what you think I said. So what is the point in your pursuing this?

That's good because I never said most conservatives are racist.

 

[Correll]

Republicans struggle to elect blacks to Congress. Electing one as president won't happen in this century.

Or t

Any attempt to give favorable treatment to blacks, to make up for past disadvantages, by the math principle of simple subtraction, takes away those limited resources from whites. That this practice has grown from just blacks to fucking EVERYONE who is not a white, normal, healthy male, has just made the practice even more harmful to whites.

Who's the racist?

Add sexist. Because white females have prospered more than any other demographic in America due to Affirmative Action.

Which I am fine with.


Interestingly though, white males if extrapolated as a single demographic, represent roughly 30% of the US population, yet hold over 70% of managerial positions in the workforce.

There is no credible metric out there that supports the assertion that white males are "being discriminated against" on a mass scale.

That is pure, misinformed hysteria at work.

Simply because after multiple generations of privileged treatment, mandated equality feels like oppression.

Lefties always like to look at results when it comes to discrimination, because the failed families and schools and communities created by lefties. create huge gaps, that they can pretend might come from "racism".


But they know that if you look at what is actually going on comparing the action processes that get to those numbers, that the reasons for the various gaps, are never "white racism" but more often liberal policies causing dysfunction in a minority demographic.


Grumble has posted about the big gap in education. Liberals often complain about it and want to take steps to address it.


But they never make the obvious connection that if blacks are graduating from college at a much lower rate, then that would have impacts in "metrics" like how many blacks end up in management positions.

Admissions and graduation levels are two different entities.

In order to graduate, one must first be admitted.

Blacks more typically attend junior colleges after graduation from high school, based on financial reasons as opposed to being admitted to a 4 year university through programs like "legacy admissions" and after progressing to 4 year institutions are far more likely to go into debt, just in order to attend.

And you want to pretend that "financial reasons" must be "racism" when it is more likely the result of having a single parent.


So, once again, you look to avoid looking at the actual reasons for a difference, and just try to get people to assume "racism".


Ironically, demonstrating and validating my point.



RIght INSIDE of your attempt to counterpoint my point.

 

[Faun]

Republicans struggle to elect blacks to Congress. Electing one as president won't happen in this century.

I don't know why this is an issue for Democrats in the first place since they don't like conservatives anyway. If you don't like conservatives or conservative values, you're not going to like a black Republican. And if a black Republican does get nominated, it's unlikely he/she would be elected and Democrats would be largely responsible for this. The reason being because a lot of black Democrats already consider conservative blacks as sellouts and Uncle Toms.

All of this nonsense about black Republican presidential nominees is just farting in a hurricane. Speaking for myself, I don't care how many blacks the Republican party has. A black person will either choose to be Republican or not, I don't give a shit and I don't want some kind of quota. If the Republican party doesn't have what a black person wants, shut the fuck up and become a Democrat. Same goes for white people.

So a black Republican can't get elected without support from Democrats?

I said black Democrats. The party of which most blacks in this country belong to.

Thanks for admitting that many Republicans and conservatives are racist. I already knew that but it's nice to see your side admit it.

Thanks for admitting your prejudice in assuming many Republicans and conservatives are racist.

You know, most Republicans are not racist and are completely baffled and angered by this trumped up hypocritical Democrat crusade against their imaginary racism and are quite frankly, sick and fucking tired of it.

Yep. They complain about divisive politics, but don't realize how divisive it is, to accuse large numbers of people, falsely.


They are pissing off EVERYONE. AT EVERYONE ELSE.

It's not false.

Every time you do that, you are tearing this nation apart. You piss off the majority of whites, who are getting more and more pissed off at being treated like dirt.


And you get minorities pissed off at whites, because you are filling their heads with fear of the supposedly evul racist whites.


If your plan was to ruin this nation and inflame racial tension to the point of permanently damaging this nation, one would be hard pressed to come up with a better plan of action, than what you have already done.


I mean, I just always assumed that you lefties knew that and just considered it the cost of doing business.


Are you claiming that that is not true? That you did NOT know that?


Oh, wait, is this just more lying from you?


Whatever. FUck off and die.

Fuck you. The ones tearing this nation apart are the racists, not the ones calling out the racists.

Except that your accusations of racism, are almost always bullshit and you know it.


And so do the people you smear and vilify and marginalize.


you lefties, with your constant spreading of fear and hate, are tearing this country apart.

^^^ Utter bulllshit.

See here is the deal. THe debate has, as always with you racebaiting fuckers, moved around to where the thing for me to do to make a fool of you, is to challenge you, give me your best example.


And instead you would post various forms of bullshit, ranging from pretending it is a crazy question, to a bunch of links of gish galloping bullshit.


And we could go back and forth, but the result is what you alway want, ie we spend all week discussion whether or not republican are "racist".

Creating the illusion that with so much smoke, there the idea that there might be fire, must be valid.


FUCK THAT SHIT. FUCK YOU, YOU ARE THE ONES TEARING THIS NATION APART. GO FUCK YOURSELF.


Eat a big old pile of dicks, choke on them and die, you race baiting asshole.

"Except that your accusations of racism, are almost always bullshit and you know it. "

That is utter bullshit. The only accusations of racism I point out are not almost always bullshit. They are never bullshit. I wouldn't levy such claims if I didn't believe them and couldn't back them up.

"FUCK THAT SHIT. FUCK YOU, YOU ARE THE ONES TEARING THIS NATION APART. GO FUCK YOURSELF. Eat a big old pile of dicks, choke on them and die, you race baiting asshole. "

LOL

Fuck off, triggered bitch.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Republicans struggle to elect blacks to Congress. Electing one as president won't happen in this century.

I don't know why this is an issue for Democrats in the first place since they don't like conservatives anyway. If you don't like conservatives or conservative values, you're not going to like a black Republican. And if a black Republican does get nominated, it's unlikely he/she would be elected and Democrats would be largely responsible for this. The reason being because a lot of black Democrats already consider conservative blacks as sellouts and Uncle Toms.

All of this nonsense about black Republican presidential nominees is just farting in a hurricane. Speaking for myself, I don't care how many blacks the Republican party has. A black person will either choose to be Republican or not, I don't give a shit and I don't want some kind of quota. If the Republican party doesn't have what a black person wants, shut the fuck up and become a Democrat. Same goes for white people.

So a black Republican can't get elected without support from Democrats?

I said black Democrats. The party of which most blacks in this country belong to.

Thanks for admitting that many Republicans and conservatives are racist. I already knew that but it's nice to see your side admit it.

Thanks for admitting your prejudice in assuming many Republicans and conservatives are racist.

You know, most Republicans are not racist and are completely baffled and angered by this trumped up hypocritical Democrat crusade against their imaginary racism and are quite frankly, sick and fucking tired of it.

LOL

YOU admitted many Republicans/conservatives are racist.

*LOL*

No, I did not.

YOU said a black Republican struggles to get elected...

No, I did not.

​

"And if a black Republican does get nominated, it's unlikely he/she would be elected and Democrats would be largely responsible for this."

​

... it wouldn't be a problem if there weren't so many racists on the right.

It wouldn't be a problem if you didn't think there were so many racists on the right.

As for whether or not a black Republican nominee could get elected, I can't say that he would not get elected and I didn't say that in the first place. However, one thing I know for sure: many blacks would see him/her as a sellout and an Uncle Tom for deserting or not joining the party they think he should have. You know this as well as I do.

"No, I did not. "

The fuck you didn't.

Right, the fuck I didn't.

"And if a black Republican does get nominated, it's unlikely he/she would be elected"

​

Quoted out of context. How original.

I think you know by now that I do not agree that most conservatives are racist and that I did not mean what you think I said. So what is the point in your pursuing this?

That's good because I never said most conservatives are racist.

You said I admitted to it dumbass.

 

[Correll]

Republicans struggle to elect blacks to Congress. Electing one as president won't happen in this century.

I don't know why this is an issue for Democrats in the first place since they don't like conservatives anyway. If you don't like conservatives or conservative values, you're not going to like a black Republican. And if a black Republican does get nominated, it's unlikely he/she would be elected and Democrats would be largely responsible for this. The reason being because a lot of black Democrats already consider conservative blacks as sellouts and Uncle Toms.

All of this nonsense about black Republican presidential nominees is just farting in a hurricane. Speaking for myself, I don't care how many blacks the Republican party has. A black person will either choose to be Republican or not, I don't give a shit and I don't want some kind of quota. If the Republican party doesn't have what a black person wants, shut the fuck up and become a Democrat. Same goes for white people.

So a black Republican can't get elected without support from Democrats?

Thanks for admitting that many Republicans and conservatives are racist. I already knew that but it's nice to see your side admit it.

Colin Powell would have easily defeated Bill Clinton according to exit polls in 1996. I would have happily voted for him against Bill Clinton. Some of my republican friends were really big fans of his.

That not many blacks would likely have crossed party lines, would not have mattered, and actually, imo, would have been a good thing.

I don't know why Ghost thinks that a black republican candidate would not win, or could not win without black dem voters. But he is incorrect.

LOL

If he's incorrect, where is the black Republican president? ...

Colin Powell did not run because he did not have a "passion for politics". That is where the most recent chance of a black republican President went.


Can you blame him? You libs are fucking nightmares to deal with.

Take the log out of your eye, you rightards are also nightmares.

So, you admit it. THe primary reason that Colin Power did not run, was him not wanting the job.


Can you admit that he would have been a strong contender for the nomination, if he had run, as the polling showed?

I admitted nothing about Powell, ya flaming moron. I didn't follow Powell to know if he was or was not thinking about running; or if so, why not.

YOur defense to "you libs make the job not a good choice" was, "you too".


That is an admission that you libs make the job not desirable.



You choose to enter a thread on Black Republican Presidents while being ignorant on the most likely to get elected potential candidate ever?


LOL!!! Well, that is completely credible for a lib. I accept your defense of ignorance.


You can either trust me on this, or go read up on it, and get back to me when you are caught up. Plenty on this issue online.

Your call.