The fix is in.

[Hutch Starskey]

I think they, and we...just want an investigation. Kinda like you guys did wit Benghazi...or...were you corrupt to the core too?

Except that Benghazi was an actual thing, with actual fuck ups and actual lying. This is total bull shit.

In order for your comparison to work, they would have had to hold a hearing to find out if anyone died, or if there even was an attack at Benghazi.

Hate to disappoint you but the Russian interference in our elections was an actual thing.

No one has to die to confirm reality or make something serious.

You guys are just trying to find excuses.

Name one actual thing that affected the vote.

It's not quantifiable. What is quantifiable is that Trump narrowly won in key states. He won Michigan by only two votes per district. Certainly within a margin that could have been swayed by election cuntery.

What makes you think a political novice like Trump would even know how to change any votes? If any one tampered with the vote I would think it would have to be experienced political teams like the Democratic machines installed in many urban areas, including Michigan.

I never said anything about tampering with votes. Changing minds. That was the whole purpose of the release of hacked material and the disinformation campaign.

Certainly, with only a two vote margin per precinct, it's not difficult to see how that may have played a role.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

First, Mueller, a good friend of the fired Comey, is appointed to lead the investigation into the non-existent collusion, then he loads his staff with 0bama sycophants and Hillary supporters, now he wants to convene a Grand Jury, and he wants it to sit in DC. Where you basically can't find a Trump supporter.

This has always been my only fear about this. The left, as we all know is corrupt to the core. They would watch this country burn rather than let 0bamas disastrous legacy get reversed. Party before country with them and it isn't even close.

Would it surprise anyone at all if they didn't completely make shit up?

Do you ever wonder why everything you believe requires a conspiracy to be valid?

No, because it never happens. Do you ever wonder why you are wrong about everything?

Your whole premise is a conspiracy, fool.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

I think they, and we...just want an investigation. Kinda like you guys did wit Benghazi...or...were you corrupt to the core too?

Except that Benghazi was an actual thing, with actual fuck ups and actual lying. This is total bull shit.

In order for your comparison to work, they would have had to hold a hearing to find out if anyone died, or if there even was an attack at Benghazi.

Hate to disappoint you but the Russian interference in our elections was an actual thing.

No one has to die to confirm reality or make something serious.

You guys are just trying to find excuses.

That isn't what they are investigating and you know it. They are investigating Trump for collusion. You are just being immature.

It's well beyond mere collusion.

Lol! What a mindless rube you are.

Yep, lawyers with a background in bribery, fraud, and financial crimes are generally hired to investigate collusion.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

1. Of course Comey and Mueller know each other - they've been working together for nearly 20 years. They're also both registered republicans (or in Comey's case, was), both have impeccable credentials and respect from both sides of the aisle, and finally, Comey is not a subject of Muellers investigation.

2. 8 out of the 15 lawyers Mueller has hired were Hillary supporters. That's as accurate a slice of the American population that Mueller could have come up with.

3. Where else would the GJ be enpanelled? Idaho?

1. Irrelevant.

2. 8 out of 15 were Hillary supporters, the rest were formerly on 0bama's staff.

3. It was originally going to be in Virginia.

No, Flynn's grand jury was Virginia, where his consulting/lobbyist business is located.

Washington DC covers any white house people or alleged crimes against the Nation...

Unlike other juries or grand juries, Federal Grand Juries sit for 18 months, and handle hundreds of cases during that period....they are not picked for any specific case/trial as a jury for a criminal trial.

Oh really? So why isn't he using an already seated GJ? Why is he appointing a new one?

So he would have the same jury for a full eighteen months.

Like I said. The fix is in.

How does that fact point to a 'fix'?

 

[jon_berzerk]

It's where we are in our politics now: It was said in here when Trump was elected and the GOP kept the Congress, that the only thing the Dems could do was damage Trump so that moderate Republicans would shy away from him. That's the only power the Dems had/have. There were several conversations about that very thing.

Well, it's playing out, right on cue. The problem for Trump is that he doesn't have enough support from the public to change it. Well, given his behavior, that can't exactly be considered a shock.
.

I don't believe that at all. I know people who wish he wouldn't tweet so much, or wouldn't attack the media so much, but when you ask them, they will all vote for him again.

His base is his base, at least 85% is going to stick with him, because that's what a base does. I'm talking about the internal polling done by Republicans who are in for tough races in 2018. I've been saying all along that those are the polls that matter right now, and that we'll be able to tell how they look by the way those Republicans act towards Trump.

You can argue that those polls are wrong, but Trump is (especially after sacking Priebus) becoming more and more isolated within his own party right now, and he can't pass laws by himself. And given the way he is, that just can't be a surprise.
.

. What we might be seeing is that America was being undermined for so long, that too many players have been put into place over the years, in order to protect the agenda of those who envision an America that will be unrecognizable by those living today. It will be a shiney city on a hill, but the contents will be pure evil. It's already in motion, so let's see if it was to be our destiny or not. All eye's are on Washington now.

I think there a times that an entrenched system can be shattered from the outside. But I just don't think our political system is one of them.

Now I'm not a fan of Trump, but I sure as hell don't like our system either. And what concerns me here is that he could end up being such a poor choice of messengers that it actually ends up helping the system.
.

Trump is a refreshing change in a system rife with moldy has beens who refuse to look in the mirror and see and realize how useless and obsolete they are,

Applies to both parties.

it is coming to point where all efforts to end the stagnant system has been tried

the last ditch attempt may be a convention of the states

and throw every last one of these slim bags to the streets

 

[Hutch Starskey]

I don't believe that at all. I know people who wish he wouldn't tweet so much, or wouldn't attack the media so much, but when you ask them, they will all vote for him again.

His base is his base, at least 85% is going to stick with him, because that's what a base does. I'm talking about the internal polling done by Republicans who are in for tough races in 2018. I've been saying all along that those are the polls that matter right now, and that we'll be able to tell how they look by the way those Republicans act towards Trump.

You can argue that those polls are wrong, but Trump is (especially after sacking Priebus) becoming more and more isolated within his own party right now, and he can't pass laws by himself. And given the way he is, that just can't be a surprise.
.

. What we might be seeing is that America was being undermined for so long, that too many players have been put into place over the years, in order to protect the agenda of those who envision an America that will be unrecognizable by those living today. It will be a shiney city on a hill, but the contents will be pure evil. It's already in motion, so let's see if it was to be our destiny or not. All eye's are on Washington now.

I think there a times that an entrenched system can be shattered from the outside. But I just don't think our political system is one of them.

Now I'm not a fan of Trump, but I sure as hell don't like our system either. And what concerns me here is that he could end up being such a poor choice of messengers that it actually ends up helping the system.
.

Trump is a refreshing change in a system rife with moldy has beens who refuse to look in the mirror and see and realize how useless and obsolete they are,

Applies to both parties.

it is coming to point where all efforts to end the stagnant system has been tried

the last ditch attempt may be a convention of the states

and throw every last one of these slim bags to the streets

Eliminate citizens united and gerrymandered districts and things will get better.

 

[PredFan]

First, Mueller, a good friend of the fired Comey, is appointed to lead the investigation into the non-existent collusion, then he loads his staff with 0bama sycophants and Hillary supporters, now he wants to convene a Grand Jury, and he wants it to sit in DC. Where you basically can't find a Trump supporter.

This has always been my only fear about this. The left, as we all know is corrupt to the core. They would watch this country burn rather than let 0bamas disastrous legacy get reversed. Party before country with them and it isn't even close.

Would it surprise anyone at all if they didn't completely make shit up?

Do you ever wonder why everything you believe requires a conspiracy to be valid?

No, because it never happens. Do you ever wonder why you are wrong about everything?

Your whole premise is a conspiracy, fool.

Do you ever wonder why you are wrong about everything?

 

[PredFan]

Except that Benghazi was an actual thing, with actual fuck ups and actual lying. This is total bull shit.

In order for your comparison to work, they would have had to hold a hearing to find out if anyone died, or if there even was an attack at Benghazi.

Hate to disappoint you but the Russian interference in our elections was an actual thing.

No one has to die to confirm reality or make something serious.

You guys are just trying to find excuses.

That isn't what they are investigating and you know it. They are investigating Trump for collusion. You are just being immature.

It's well beyond mere collusion.

Lol! What a mindless rube you are.

Yep, lawyers with a background in bribery, fraud, and financial crimes are generally hired to investigate collusion.

Hey you stupid tube, wtf do you think collusion is, you mindless twit?

 

[sartre play]

First, Mueller, a good friend of the fired Comey, is appointed to lead the investigation into the non-existent collusion, then he loads his staff with 0bama sycophants and Hillary supporters, now he wants to convene a Grand Jury, and he wants it to sit in DC. Where you basically can't find a Trump supporter.

This has always been my only fear about this. The left, as we all know is corrupt to the core. They would watch this country burn rather than let 0bamas disastrous legacy get reversed. Party before country with them and it isn't even close.

Would it surprise anyone at all if they didn't completely make shit up?

Yes it would surprise me, but then I don't lap up any one way point of view.

 

[Lastamender]

Except that Benghazi was an actual thing, with actual fuck ups and actual lying. This is total bull shit.

In order for your comparison to work, they would have had to hold a hearing to find out if anyone died, or if there even was an attack at Benghazi.

Hate to disappoint you but the Russian interference in our elections was an actual thing.

No one has to die to confirm reality or make something serious.

You guys are just trying to find excuses.

Name one actual thing that affected the vote.

It's not quantifiable. What is quantifiable is that Trump narrowly won in key states. He won Michigan by only two votes per district. Certainly within a margin that could have been swayed by election cuntery.

What makes you think a political novice like Trump would even know how to change any votes? If any one tampered with the vote I would think it would have to be experienced political teams like the Democratic machines installed in many urban areas, including Michigan.

I never said anything about tampering with votes. Changing minds. That was the whole purpose of the release of hacked material and the disinformation campaign.

Certainly, with only a two vote margin per precinct, it's not difficult to see how that may have played a role.

And the things released about Trump changed no ones mind? These days it does not matter where the news comes from, they put it out there anyway. Clinton had the same chance to misinform people and her campaign did plenty of it.

 

[PredFan]

1. Irrelevant.

2. 8 out of 15 were Hillary supporters, the rest were formerly on 0bama's staff.

3. It was originally going to be in Virginia.

No, Flynn's grand jury was Virginia, where his consulting/lobbyist business is located.

Washington DC covers any white house people or alleged crimes against the Nation...

Unlike other juries or grand juries, Federal Grand Juries sit for 18 months, and handle hundreds of cases during that period....they are not picked for any specific case/trial as a jury for a criminal trial.

Oh really? So why isn't he using an already seated GJ? Why is he appointing a new one?

So he would have the same jury for a full eighteen months.

Like I said. The fix is in.

How does that fact point to a 'fix'?

Because he wants it to go that long. You DO know where we will be in 18 months or so right?

Try to think because you are just boring me.

 

[Coyote]

First, Mueller, a good friend of the fired Comey, is appointed to lead the investigation into the non-existent collusion, then he loads his staff with 0bama sycophants and Hillary supporters, now he wants to convene a Grand Jury, and he wants it to sit in DC. Where you basically can't find a Trump supporter.

This has always been my only fear about this. The left, as we all know is corrupt to the core. They would watch this country burn rather than let 0bamas disastrous legacy get reversed. Party before country with them and it isn't even close.

Would it surprise anyone at all if they didn't completely make shit up?

1. Of course Comey and Mueller know each other - they've been working together for nearly 20 years. They're also both registered republicans (or in Comey's case, was), both have impeccable credentials and respect from both sides of the aisle, and finally, Comey is not a subject of Muellers investigation.

2. 8 out of the 15 lawyers Mueller has hired were Hillary supporters. That's as accurate a slice of the American population that Mueller could have come up with.

This seems to be ignored.

And the other 7 Obama supporters. That is ignored too. They are all Democrats, progressives, traitors whatever you wish to call them.

Where are you going to find someone who is neither party to do the job? Are you claiming people can no longer do a professional job if they voted a certain way?

Seriously...this type of argument is retarded. And, funny...because you didn't care when it was Clinton being investigated.

What utter Horse Hockey.................You can't find lawyers to investigate who haven't BEEN DONATING TO THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

I guess under this Horse Hockey all lawyers DONATE THEIR MONEY TO ONE PARTY OR THE OTHER.........and none don't donate at all..............

It isn't impartial.

First off - they are chosen on the basis of their expertise not partisanship. Whether they donate or not is immaterial. It's NOT a partisan investigation, in case you hadn't noticed. It's bipartsan.

 

[PredFan]

First, Mueller, a good friend of the fired Comey, is appointed to lead the investigation into the non-existent collusion, then he loads his staff with 0bama sycophants and Hillary supporters, now he wants to convene a Grand Jury, and he wants it to sit in DC. Where you basically can't find a Trump supporter.

This has always been my only fear about this. The left, as we all know is corrupt to the core. They would watch this country burn rather than let 0bamas disastrous legacy get reversed. Party before country with them and it isn't even close.

Would it surprise anyone at all if they didn't completely make shit up?

Yes it would surprise me, but then I don't lap up any one way point of view.

Ok, but it would surprise very few people.

 

[Coyote]

There are people participating in this thread who think the Dems are stopping Trump from getting shit done. It is absolutely amazing.

They aren't. He has done quite a lot. They are though, obstructing him as much as they can. Even you can't deny that.

They are opposing him on policy. It's called loyal opposition.

And he hasn't done shit.

No, it's called party before country and it's the DNC mantra. And he has done quite a lot. We have already shown that in several threads here.

It's no more the DNC mantra than it is the GOP mantra. There ARE people who are seriously concerned for this country, it's institutions and it's people and that includes people serving in the governmental brances and investigating this.

I will agree with you on one thing though: party before country, translated into "win at all costs" is becoming more prevalent in BOTH major parties....but you can't see it in your own can you?

It's one of the reason's we're in this mess.

 

[PredFan]

1. Of course Comey and Mueller know each other - they've been working together for nearly 20 years. They're also both registered republicans (or in Comey's case, was), both have impeccable credentials and respect from both sides of the aisle, and finally, Comey is not a subject of Muellers investigation.

2. 8 out of the 15 lawyers Mueller has hired were Hillary supporters. That's as accurate a slice of the American population that Mueller could have come up with.

This seems to be ignored.

And the other 7 Obama supporters. That is ignored too. They are all Democrats, progressives, traitors whatever you wish to call them.

Where are you going to find someone who is neither party to do the job? Are you claiming people can no longer do a professional job if they voted a certain way?

Seriously...this type of argument is retarded. And, funny...because you didn't care when it was Clinton being investigated.

What utter Horse Hockey.................You can't find lawyers to investigate who haven't BEEN DONATING TO THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

I guess under this Horse Hockey all lawyers DONATE THEIR MONEY TO ONE PARTY OR THE OTHER.........and none don't donate at all..............

It isn't impartial.

First off - they are chosen on the basis of their expertise not partisanship. Whether they donate or not is immaterial. It's NOT a partisan investigation, in case you hadn't noticed. It's bipartsan.

Ease up a bit! You are pegging the gullibility meter.

 

[Coyote]

This seems to be ignored.

LOL

Democratic DONORS to the Democratic Party an accurate slice ..........LMAO

Get real folks............they donate freaking money.............so I'll laugh at your posts.

What was the political make up of the Benghazi investigators? How about Whitewater?

People can and do, do a professional ethical job regardless of their political affiliations. They can only take this as far as there is EVIDENCE to support it.

LOL

This isn't a Congressional Hearing................made up of half and half politicians............the FBI is supposed to pride itself on being impartial to politics..................yet they hire known Democratic donors to prosecute it............Not the same..............and it sure isn't IMPARTIAL.

So...in years passed investigators have been Republicans and Democrats and no one has questioned their professionalism and ability to do the job until, suddenly, now, it's like magic! Those same people can't possibly be impartial!

It's one thing to claim to be a democrat or a republican...........it's another when they are so active that they make campaign contributions to a party.

It's not the same no matter how you spin it.

So...explain to me why all of a sudden, NOW, this is a concern for you? It wasn't before was it? All of a sudden you've decided people who make contributions to a political party can't be impartial in investigating a case?

 

[PredFan]

There are people participating in this thread who think the Dems are stopping Trump from getting shit done. It is absolutely amazing.

They aren't. He has done quite a lot. They are though, obstructing him as much as they can. Even you can't deny that.

They are opposing him on policy. It's called loyal opposition.

And he hasn't done shit.

No, it's called party before country and it's the DNC mantra. And he has done quite a lot. We have already shown that in several threads here.

It's no more the DNC mantra than it is the GOP mantra. There ARE people who are seriously concerned for this country, it's institutions and it's people and that includes people serving in the governmental brances and investigating this.

I will agree with you on one thing though: party before country, translated into "win at all costs" is becoming more prevalent in BOTH major parties....but you can't see it in your own can you?

It's one of the reason's we're in this mess.

It is definitely the mantra of the left. Has been for a few decades.

The GOP did show its ass recently and I created a thread about it. They aren't Party Befire Country, they are more like Votes Before Country. But the GOP will lose those votes because of their recent actions and so basically they have no mantra, they are just idiots.

 

[Coyote]

First, Mueller, a good friend of the fired Comey, is appointed to lead the investigation into the non-existent collusion, then he loads his staff with 0bama sycophants and Hillary supporters, now he wants to convene a Grand Jury, and he wants it to sit in DC. Where you basically can't find a Trump supporter.

This has always been my only fear about this. The left, as we all know is corrupt to the core. They would watch this country burn rather than let 0bamas disastrous legacy get reversed. Party before country with them and it isn't even close.

Would it surprise anyone at all if they didn't completely make shit up?

I think they, and we...just want an investigation. Kinda like you guys did wit Benghazi...or...were you corrupt to the core too?

Except that Benghazi was an actual thing, with actual fuck ups and actual lying. This is total bull shit.

In order for your comparison to work, they would have had to hold a hearing to find out if anyone died, or if there even was an attack at Benghazi.

Hate to disappoint you but the Russian interference in our elections was an actual thing.

No one has to die to confirm reality or make something serious.

You guys are just trying to find excuses.

That isn't what they are investigating and you know it. They are investigating Trump for collusion. You are just being immature.

Investigating the Trump campaign for collusion is one part of the WIDER INVESTIGATION, something you can't seem to comprehend because whenever the mention of "Russian's attempting to influence our elections" comes up, you go into a spasm of deflection, denial, and redirection.

In so far as collusion...I didn't think so initially, but it sure is disturbing how much empty space there is in people's memories and how things keep popping out. Lies burst like soap bubbles. WTF?

Let's get to the facts, let the investigation conclude and then move on.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Hate to disappoint you but the Russian interference in our elections was an actual thing.

No one has to die to confirm reality or make something serious.

You guys are just trying to find excuses.

That isn't what they are investigating and you know it. They are investigating Trump for collusion. You are just being immature.

It's well beyond mere collusion.

Lol! What a mindless rube you are.

Yep, lawyers with a background in bribery, fraud, and financial crimes are generally hired to investigate collusion.

Hey you stupid tube, wtf do you think collusion is, you mindless twit?

Not that, lol.

 

[Coyote]

First, Mueller, a good friend of the fired Comey, is appointed to lead the investigation into the non-existent collusion, then he loads his staff with 0bama sycophants and Hillary supporters, now he wants to convene a Grand Jury, and he wants it to sit in DC. Where you basically can't find a Trump supporter.

This has always been my only fear about this. The left, as we all know is corrupt to the core. They would watch this country burn rather than let 0bamas disastrous legacy get reversed. Party before country with them and it isn't even close.

Would it surprise anyone at all if they didn't completely make shit up?

I think they, and we...just want an investigation. Kinda like you guys did wit Benghazi...or...were you corrupt to the core too?

Except that Benghazi was an actual thing, with actual fuck ups and actual lying. This is total bull shit.

In order for your comparison to work, they would have had to hold a hearing to find out if anyone died, or if there even was an attack at Benghazi.

Hate to disappoint you but the Russian interference in our elections was an actual thing.

No one has to die to confirm reality or make something serious.

You guys are just trying to find excuses.

Russia was caught spying and hacking..............but to the extent they actually made a dang difference in the election results is still laughable.......................

I wouldn't say laughable. What I would say, and I've said it over and over - there is no way to objectively know IF or HOW MUCH of a difference they might have made. So that is water under the bridge imo. The election is over, the results are final.

BUT - we damn well better know what happened, how it happened and have a plan in place to prevent or counter it by the next presidential election. People on the right and left focus on "collusion" and if there is collusion, it's serious but by far the most serious thing is what the hacking, spreading of fake news, etc have done in terms of destroying American trust in major democratic institutions including the electoral process itself. If you can't see that...then....I'd say laughable but it really isn't funny.

Russia was ticked at Obama for the Sanctions over Crimea..............No doubt they had a vindictive agenda for the Sanctions....................that doesn't mean Trump colluded with a damn thing..............

In that case, that will come out in the investigation and he will be cleared.

They need to DECLASSIFY FISA WARRANTS.................if the WARRANTS were directed at Trump and anybody associated with Trump.........................To prove once and for all the Obama didn't abuse his dang power again...........

Congress can see it, declassifying it probably isn't a good idea.

Already caught spying on allies like Germany and Israel before...............kinda a trend with him.

Just like Presidents before him and most likely after him. Kinda of a international trend.