The Future

[hunarcy]

The current ideologies are in conflict, the Democratic Party supports the ACA goals...

The goal of the ACA is to screw up the US health care system to the point where the people support federal universal health care.
Democrats, always looking to increase the power of the state and control over the people living in it, fully support this, for obvious reasons.
Why on earth would conservatives oppose this?

The goal of the ACA is to provide effective health care which is affordable and available to all citizens

Conservatives oppose it because, Obama signed it.

• Health care was increasing double digits for 20 years, annually;
• Hard working people were losing everything when a catastrophic injury or disease effected their family and their insurance had limits;
• People with existing conditions could not afford or even obtain health insurance;
• And, conservatives put profit before people.

The goal of ACA is to provide effective health care with is affordable and it failed.

Conservatives opposed it because they knew they were being lied to.

You are one of the liars.

To be clear, I didn't agree with all its premises, but imo the ACA was intended to be a means to universal coverage, and while Roberts re-wrote it, it was a step in that direction and despite Roberts did curtail cost increases … in a socialistic manner. (-:

IMO, the ACA was intended to weaken private insurance to the point where the government could implement single payer.

 

[progressive hunter]

The current ideologies are in conflict, the Democratic Party supports the ACA goals...

The goal of the ACA is to screw up the US health care system to the point where the people support federal universal health care.
Democrats, always looking to increase the power of the state and control over the people living in it, fully support this, for obvious reasons.
Why on earth would conservatives oppose this?

The goal of the ACA is to provide effective health care which is affordable and available to all citizens

Conservatives oppose it because, Obama signed it.

• Health care was increasing double digits for 20 years, annually;
• Hard working people were losing everything when a catastrophic injury or disease effected their family and their insurance had limits;
• People with existing conditions could not afford or even obtain health insurance;
• And, conservatives put profit before people.

The goal of ACA is to provide effective health care with is affordable and it failed.

Conservatives opposed it because they knew they were being lied to.

You are one of the liars.

The ACA has not failed, costs are up but health care in America grew at double digits before the PPACA became active.

Conservatives opposed it because they put profit before people, and fooled biddable people that the bill was the first step toward socialism. Hate and fear sure works on the ignorant and the biddable.

Thankfully, as Lincoln said, "You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time".

As education and an informed nation it's clear Trump&Co. cannot ever fool all of the people, all of the time. But he can sure fool some of the people all of the time, and can't fool all of us.

Republicans want to push "socialism vs. freedom" as an opening 2020 message

why do you put words in their mouth???

it has always been about government over reach not profits,,,

 

[bendog]

A simple answer to a complex issue ^^^. There is more to the issue than to blame the victim. I used to waste my time and provide comprehensive responses to the simple and concrete thinkers. Not any more.

Fortunately the Libertarian Ideology will never secure enough support to impose their lassiez faire approach to governance.

By "victim" you mean the motherfucking idiots who took no personal responsibility and who are now holding me at gunpoint (via government) and demanding that I pay for their motherfucking stupidity.

Do you see why we want a fucking war?

It's time for us to turn the guns back on your thieving commie ilk.

"Live free or die" mean I live free or YOU die.

.

With all due respect to you BLF, you're NUTS.

but that doesnt mean hes wrong,,,

First of all BLF uses war, I hope metaphorically, but it's clear he has never seen the Elephant. Calling me, and others Communists, is lunacy. I have more assets, and investments in stocks and bonds than at least 80% of the US population.

What he and other lunatics claim are "commies" are usually like me, supports of Judo-Christian ethics, who support democracy and the living Constitution.

Finally, BLF violated the rules in making a personal threat directed at me in his last two sentences. I don't sweat threats, in my career in LE I've been threatened before, mostly when the actor is in a cage.

there are 2 groups of people in a communist society,,,

the haves and have nots,,,you obviously are the haves


and your view of us being a democracy and having a living constitution confirm you are more communist than not,,,,

as for the war part i have to ask,,,

are you willing to kill me to get your way??
cause I am willing to die to stop you,,,

its you and your kind that send men with guns to my house and not the other way around

Paying a tax or obtaining HC is not communism …. or socialism either.

And even Medicare is not complete socialism, because while the govt controls what a person can have, and how much it can cost …. a person with means may consume more than medicare allows.

 

[bendog]

The current ideologies are in conflict, the Democratic Party supports the ACA goals...

The goal of the ACA is to screw up the US health care system to the point where the people support federal universal health care.
Democrats, always looking to increase the power of the state and control over the people living in it, fully support this, for obvious reasons.
Why on earth would conservatives oppose this?

The goal of the ACA is to provide effective health care which is affordable and available to all citizens

Conservatives oppose it because, Obama signed it.

• Health care was increasing double digits for 20 years, annually;
• Hard working people were losing everything when a catastrophic injury or disease effected their family and their insurance had limits;
• People with existing conditions could not afford or even obtain health insurance;
• And, conservatives put profit before people.

The goal of ACA is to provide effective health care with is affordable and it failed.

Conservatives opposed it because they knew they were being lied to.

You are one of the liars.

To be clear, I didn't agree with all its premises, but imo the ACA was intended to be a means to universal coverage, and while Roberts re-wrote it, it was a step in that direction and despite Roberts did curtail cost increases … in a socialistic manner. (-:

IMO, the ACA was intended to weaken private insurance to the point where the government could implement single payer.

not if private insurance can be more efficient (econ definition) than medicare

 

[progressive hunter]

By "victim" you mean the motherfucking idiots who took no personal responsibility and who are now holding me at gunpoint (via government) and demanding that I pay for their motherfucking stupidity.

Do you see why we want a fucking war?

It's time for us to turn the guns back on your thieving commie ilk.

"Live free or die" mean I live free or YOU die.

.

With all due respect to you BLF, you're NUTS.

but that doesnt mean hes wrong,,,

First of all BLF uses war, I hope metaphorically, but it's clear he has never seen the Elephant. Calling me, and others Communists, is lunacy. I have more assets, and investments in stocks and bonds than at least 80% of the US population.

What he and other lunatics claim are "commies" are usually like me, supports of Judo-Christian ethics, who support democracy and the living Constitution.

Finally, BLF violated the rules in making a personal threat directed at me in his last two sentences. I don't sweat threats, in my career in LE I've been threatened before, mostly when the actor is in a cage.

there are 2 groups of people in a communist society,,,

the haves and have nots,,,you obviously are the haves


and your view of us being a democracy and having a living constitution confirm you are more communist than not,,,,

as for the war part i have to ask,,,

are you willing to kill me to get your way??
cause I am willing to die to stop you,,,

its you and your kind that send men with guns to my house and not the other way around

Paying a tax or obtaining HC is not communism …. or socialism either.

And even Medicare is not complete socialism, because while the govt controls what a person can have, and how much it can cost …. a person with means may consume more than medicare allows.

except for the fact the feds dont have that authority,,,and its clearly a path to full socialism,,,,

 

[bendog]

The current ideologies are in conflict, the Democratic Party supports the ACA goals...

The goal of the ACA is to screw up the US health care system to the point where the people support federal universal health care.
Democrats, always looking to increase the power of the state and control over the people living in it, fully support this, for obvious reasons.
Why on earth would conservatives oppose this?

The goal of the ACA is to provide effective health care which is affordable and available to all citizens

Conservatives oppose it because, Obama signed it.

• Health care was increasing double digits for 20 years, annually;
• Hard working people were losing everything when a catastrophic injury or disease effected their family and their insurance had limits;
• People with existing conditions could not afford or even obtain health insurance;
• And, conservatives put profit before people.

The goal of ACA is to provide effective health care with is affordable and it failed.

Conservatives opposed it because they knew they were being lied to.

You are one of the liars.

The ACA has not failed, costs are up but health care in America grew at double digits before the PPACA became active.

Conservatives opposed it because they put profit before people, and fooled biddable people that the bill was the first step toward socialism. Hate and fear sure works on the ignorant and the biddable.

Thankfully, as Lincoln said, "You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time".

As education and an informed nation it's clear Trump&Co. cannot ever fool all of the people, all of the time. But he can sure fool some of the people all of the time, and can't fool all of us.

Republicans want to push "socialism vs. freedom" as an opening 2020 message

Private insurors loved it. Being regulated is not bad when you can be essentially a monopoly in a market

 

[LordBrownTrout]

The important thing is that the mandate is gone.

 

[bendog]

With all due respect to you BLF, you're NUTS.

but that doesnt mean hes wrong,,,

First of all BLF uses war, I hope metaphorically, but it's clear he has never seen the Elephant. Calling me, and others Communists, is lunacy. I have more assets, and investments in stocks and bonds than at least 80% of the US population.

What he and other lunatics claim are "commies" are usually like me, supports of Judo-Christian ethics, who support democracy and the living Constitution.

Finally, BLF violated the rules in making a personal threat directed at me in his last two sentences. I don't sweat threats, in my career in LE I've been threatened before, mostly when the actor is in a cage.

there are 2 groups of people in a communist society,,,

the haves and have nots,,,you obviously are the haves


and your view of us being a democracy and having a living constitution confirm you are more communist than not,,,,

as for the war part i have to ask,,,

are you willing to kill me to get your way??
cause I am willing to die to stop you,,,

its you and your kind that send men with guns to my house and not the other way around

Paying a tax or obtaining HC is not communism …. or socialism either.

And even Medicare is not complete socialism, because while the govt controls what a person can have, and how much it can cost …. a person with means may consume more than medicare allows.

except for the fact the feds dont have that authority,,,and its clearly a path to full socialism,,,,

AOC and a handful of useless idiots are the only ones promoting socialism. Germany, France, Poland, the Swedes, Japan, Taiwan, etc all have regulated healthcare setting minimum benefits and costs.

 

[bendog]

The important thing is that the mandate is gone.

For now. The dems were fools for not just using the same mandate that Medicare has. Enroll or die

 

[progressive hunter]

but that doesnt mean hes wrong,,,

First of all BLF uses war, I hope metaphorically, but it's clear he has never seen the Elephant. Calling me, and others Communists, is lunacy. I have more assets, and investments in stocks and bonds than at least 80% of the US population.

What he and other lunatics claim are "commies" are usually like me, supports of Judo-Christian ethics, who support democracy and the living Constitution.

Finally, BLF violated the rules in making a personal threat directed at me in his last two sentences. I don't sweat threats, in my career in LE I've been threatened before, mostly when the actor is in a cage.

there are 2 groups of people in a communist society,,,

the haves and have nots,,,you obviously are the haves


and your view of us being a democracy and having a living constitution confirm you are more communist than not,,,,

as for the war part i have to ask,,,

are you willing to kill me to get your way??
cause I am willing to die to stop you,,,

its you and your kind that send men with guns to my house and not the other way around

Paying a tax or obtaining HC is not communism …. or socialism either.

And even Medicare is not complete socialism, because while the govt controls what a person can have, and how much it can cost …. a person with means may consume more than medicare allows.

except for the fact the feds dont have that authority,,,and its clearly a path to full socialism,,,,

AOC and a handful of useless idiots are the only ones promoting socialism. Germany, France, Poland, the Swedes, Japan, Taiwan, etc all have regulated healthcare setting minimum benefits and costs.

but none of those countrys have our constitution,,,

and like I said its a path to socialism and some have even admitted it

 

[bendog]

First of all BLF uses war, I hope metaphorically, but it's clear he has never seen the Elephant. Calling me, and others Communists, is lunacy. I have more assets, and investments in stocks and bonds than at least 80% of the US population.

What he and other lunatics claim are "commies" are usually like me, supports of Judo-Christian ethics, who support democracy and the living Constitution.

Finally, BLF violated the rules in making a personal threat directed at me in his last two sentences. I don't sweat threats, in my career in LE I've been threatened before, mostly when the actor is in a cage.

there are 2 groups of people in a communist society,,,

the haves and have nots,,,you obviously are the haves


and your view of us being a democracy and having a living constitution confirm you are more communist than not,,,,

as for the war part i have to ask,,,

are you willing to kill me to get your way??
cause I am willing to die to stop you,,,

its you and your kind that send men with guns to my house and not the other way around

Paying a tax or obtaining HC is not communism …. or socialism either.

And even Medicare is not complete socialism, because while the govt controls what a person can have, and how much it can cost …. a person with means may consume more than medicare allows.

except for the fact the feds dont have that authority,,,and its clearly a path to full socialism,,,,

AOC and a handful of useless idiots are the only ones promoting socialism. Germany, France, Poland, the Swedes, Japan, Taiwan, etc all have regulated healthcare setting minimum benefits and costs.

but none of those countrys have our constitution,,,

and like I said its a path to socialism and some have even admitted it

There's no threat of socialism being the econ market in the US. You just lose all cred when you trot out crazy shit. You might as well be AOC

 

[LordBrownTrout]

The important thing is that the mandate is gone.

For now. The dems were fools for not just using the same mandate that Medicare has. Enroll or die

Federal won't happen again. I do see blue state governors enacting some type of mandate though, like massachusetts.

 

[progressive hunter]

there are 2 groups of people in a communist society,,,

the haves and have nots,,,you obviously are the haves


and your view of us being a democracy and having a living constitution confirm you are more communist than not,,,,

as for the war part i have to ask,,,

are you willing to kill me to get your way??
cause I am willing to die to stop you,,,

its you and your kind that send men with guns to my house and not the other way around

Paying a tax or obtaining HC is not communism …. or socialism either.

And even Medicare is not complete socialism, because while the govt controls what a person can have, and how much it can cost …. a person with means may consume more than medicare allows.

except for the fact the feds dont have that authority,,,and its clearly a path to full socialism,,,,

AOC and a handful of useless idiots are the only ones promoting socialism. Germany, France, Poland, the Swedes, Japan, Taiwan, etc all have regulated healthcare setting minimum benefits and costs.

but none of those countrys have our constitution,,,

and like I said its a path to socialism and some have even admitted it

There's no threat of socialism being the econ market in the US. You just lose all cred when you trot out crazy shit. You might as well be AOC

thats all you got???

we are truly doomed,,,

 

[hunarcy]

The goal of the ACA is to screw up the US health care system to the point where the people support federal universal health care.
Democrats, always looking to increase the power of the state and control over the people living in it, fully support this, for obvious reasons.
Why on earth would conservatives oppose this?

The goal of the ACA is to provide effective health care which is affordable and available to all citizens

Conservatives oppose it because, Obama signed it.

• Health care was increasing double digits for 20 years, annually;
• Hard working people were losing everything when a catastrophic injury or disease effected their family and their insurance had limits;
• People with existing conditions could not afford or even obtain health insurance;
• And, conservatives put profit before people.

The goal of ACA is to provide effective health care with is affordable and it failed.

Conservatives opposed it because they knew they were being lied to.

You are one of the liars.

To be clear, I didn't agree with all its premises, but imo the ACA was intended to be a means to universal coverage, and while Roberts re-wrote it, it was a step in that direction and despite Roberts did curtail cost increases … in a socialistic manner. (-:

IMO, the ACA was intended to weaken private insurance to the point where the government could implement single payer.

not if private insurance can be more efficient (econ definition) than medicare

Private insurance obviously was until the ACA changed the rules.

 

[caddo kid]

First of all, good health precedes everything else. The current ideologies are in conflict, the Democratic Party supports the ACA goals, and the Republican Party seeks to put profit before good health for all.

The only argument the Republican Party can offer is to claim government's intercession on the repeal of the ACA is it is Socialism. A claim which is absurd and an appeal to emotions.

Our government was founded by We the people to, "form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity".

Common sense suggests the current iteration of Republicans (RINO's) have move so far to the dark side, that the meaning of the Preamble has been lost.

What do I mean by the Dark Side?

The R. Party's use of Wedge Issues, their lust for power and greed. No one will be able to equate any of the visions highlighted in the Preamble which is part of the current ideology under Trump and the miss-named Freedom Caucus.

Republicans could care less about, " We the people," "a more perfect Union," 'establishing Justice,' 'insuring domestic Tranquility,' 'providing for the common defence,' 'promoting any general Welfare,' or 'securing the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity' because they only think of themselves & not the nation as a whole.
They are greedy fucking goats.

 

[bendog]

The goal of the ACA is to provide effective health care which is affordable and available to all citizens

Conservatives oppose it because, Obama signed it.

• Health care was increasing double digits for 20 years, annually;
• Hard working people were losing everything when a catastrophic injury or disease effected their family and their insurance had limits;
• People with existing conditions could not afford or even obtain health insurance;
• And, conservatives put profit before people.

The goal of ACA is to provide effective health care with is affordable and it failed.

Conservatives opposed it because they knew they were being lied to.

You are one of the liars.

To be clear, I didn't agree with all its premises, but imo the ACA was intended to be a means to universal coverage, and while Roberts re-wrote it, it was a step in that direction and despite Roberts did curtail cost increases … in a socialistic manner. (-:

IMO, the ACA was intended to weaken private insurance to the point where the government could implement single payer.

not if private insurance can be more efficient (econ definition) than medicare

Private insurance obviously was until the ACA changed the rules.

PI payed providers medicare rates. And HC costs stopped rising as fast when the ACA was implemented.

I personally am more in the BLF group, than Medicare for all, but the ultimate goal was to pit PI against Medicare, and see who could provided the same services for a cheaper price.

 

[bendog]

Paying a tax or obtaining HC is not communism …. or socialism either.

And even Medicare is not complete socialism, because while the govt controls what a person can have, and how much it can cost …. a person with means may consume more than medicare allows.

except for the fact the feds dont have that authority,,,and its clearly a path to full socialism,,,,

AOC and a handful of useless idiots are the only ones promoting socialism. Germany, France, Poland, the Swedes, Japan, Taiwan, etc all have regulated healthcare setting minimum benefits and costs.

but none of those countrys have our constitution,,,

and like I said its a path to socialism and some have even admitted it

There's no threat of socialism being the econ market in the US. You just lose all cred when you trot out crazy shit. You might as well be AOC

thats all you got???

we are truly doomed,,,

Dude, you got no clue as to what socialism is, and I linked the def yesterday. I'm done with you

 

[Wry Catcher]

The current ideologies are in conflict, the Democratic Party supports the ACA goals...

The goal of the ACA is to screw up the US health care system to the point where the people support federal universal health care.
Democrats, always looking to increase the power of the state and control over the people living in it, fully support this, for obvious reasons.
Why on earth would conservatives oppose this?

The goal of the ACA is to provide effective health care which is affordable and available to all citizens

Conservatives oppose it because, Obama signed it.

• Health care was increasing double digits for 20 years, annually;
• Hard working people were losing everything when a catastrophic injury or disease effected their family and their insurance had limits;
• People with existing conditions could not afford or even obtain health insurance;
• And, conservatives put profit before people.

The goal of ACA is to provide effective health care with is affordable and it failed.

Conservatives opposed it because they knew they were being lied to.

You are one of the liars.

To be clear, I didn't agree with all its premises, but imo the ACA was intended to be a means to universal coverage, and while Roberts re-wrote it, it was a step in that direction and despite Roberts did curtail cost increases … in a socialistic manner. (-:

IMO, the ACA was intended to weaken private insurance to the point where the government could implement single payer.

IMO your Opinion is based on the hate and fear mongering by the Republican's, and the special interests who profiteer.

A couple of things to consider, in re health care:

• The private sector employees too many people and for it to be eliminated would create a Great Recession;
• Private Insurance will still flourish, but profits will be reduced and premiums lower when procedures and medical equipment are priced with equity;
• Every citizen will have choice, to buy government insurance or private insurance, but those who seek to skip the purchase will still pay a fine (since the law requires they be treated, insured or not);
• Citizens will still need to buy private health insurance for accidents and injuries which can happen at anytime, and would not be provided by Medicare for all.
• IMO Medicare for all would provide preventative care (age appropriate physical exams, vaccines, labs and age appropriate preventative medicines provided at low or no cost, depending on the person or family ability to pay.

 

[progressive hunter]

The goal of ACA is to provide effective health care with is affordable and it failed.

Conservatives opposed it because they knew they were being lied to.

You are one of the liars.

To be clear, I didn't agree with all its premises, but imo the ACA was intended to be a means to universal coverage, and while Roberts re-wrote it, it was a step in that direction and despite Roberts did curtail cost increases … in a socialistic manner. (-:

IMO, the ACA was intended to weaken private insurance to the point where the government could implement single payer.

not if private insurance can be more efficient (econ definition) than medicare

Private insurance obviously was until the ACA changed the rules.

PI payed providers medicare rates. And HC costs stopped rising as fast when the ACA was implemented.

I personally am more in the BLF group, than Medicare for all, but the ultimate goal was to pit PI against Medicare, and see who could provided the same services for a cheaper price.

and the constitution can go to hell,,,right???

 

[Wry Catcher]

To be clear, I didn't agree with all its premises, but imo the ACA was intended to be a means to universal coverage, and while Roberts re-wrote it, it was a step in that direction and despite Roberts did curtail cost increases … in a socialistic manner. (-:

IMO, the ACA was intended to weaken private insurance to the point where the government could implement single payer.

not if private insurance can be more efficient (econ definition) than medicare

Private insurance obviously was until the ACA changed the rules.

PI payed providers medicare rates. And HC costs stopped rising as fast when the ACA was implemented.

I personally am more in the BLF group, than Medicare for all, but the ultimate goal was to pit PI against Medicare, and see who could provided the same services for a cheaper price.

and the constitution can go to hell,,,right???

This comment ^^^ suggests you have never read the Constitution, and accept the Federalist Society's interpretation that we are still living in the 18th Century.