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You make no sense bud...think once...It’s all relevant. There is no more free shit available for you beggars. The wetbacks have fucked you lowlife degenerates over.

What "free shit" do you believe " wetbacks " receive?

Haha...this shit again?
https://nypost.com/2018/03/10/cutting-welfare-to-illegal-aliens-would-pay-for-trumps-wall/

My question stands. You provided no substantive answer.

LefTard Logic:
“Always play stupid when you’re made to look stupid.”

Citizen children receive the benefits, dope.

Oh, I get it...you aren’t aware that illegal wetbacks = litters of barely legal taxpayer dependent anchor babies.
And apparently you didn’t know that illegal wetbacks get free healthcare and free education? Damn dude, what else can I teach you?
 
First of all, good health precedes everything else. The current ideologies are in conflict, the Democratic Party supports the ACA goals, and the Republican Party seeks to put profit before good health for all.

The only argument the Republican Party can offer is to claim government's intercession on the repeal of the ACA is it is Socialism. A claim which is absurd and an appeal to emotions.

Our government was founded by We the people to, "form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity".

Common sense suggests the current iteration of Republicans (RINO's) have move so far to the dark side, that the meaning of the Preamble has been lost.

What do I mean by the Dark Side?

The R. Party's use of Wedge Issues, their lust for power and greed. No one will be able to equate any of the visions highlighted in the Preamble which is part of the current ideology under Trump and the miss-named Freedom Caucus.



 
The current ideologies are in conflict, the Democratic Party supports the ACA goals...
The goal of the ACA is to screw up the US health care system to the point where the people support federal universal health care.
Democrats, always looking to increase the power of the state and control over the people living in it, fully support this, for obvious reasons.
Why on earth would conservatives oppose this?
:cuckoo:

The goal of the ACA is to provide effective health care which is affordable and available to all citizens

Conservatives oppose it because, Obama signed it.

  • Health care was increasing double digits for 20 years, annually;
  • Hard working people were losing everything when a catastrophic injury or disease effected their family and their insurance had limits;
  • People with existing conditions could not afford or even obtain health insurance;
  • And, conservatives put profit before people.
your opinion is noted and rejected cause its a dumbass opinion,,,

Well, obviously you lack common sense, and are one of the anti-intellectual by will or accident of birth.
 
Claudette and Booty subscribe to "don't socialize my medicare!"

There is nothing socialized about Medicare.

Every working person pays into Medicare their entire working life. All they do is collect it when the time comes.

You really are a fool.
oh, nothing socialized about medicare …… nuzzing nuzzing nuzzing

There is nothing evil about Medicare or Medicaid policy; the only evil occurs with the fraud employed by the medical community.

Billions of dollars are stolen from We the People, see:

Medicare And Medicaid Fraud Is Costing Taxpayers Billions

From the Link:

"...federal authorities announced on May 2 they had arrested 107 health care providers, including doctors and nurses, in several cities and charged them with cheating Medicare out of $452 million.

"To put this in perspective, the collapse of the solar company Solyndra, which had taken $535 million in taxpayer dollars from the Obama administration, has been a recurring topic in the media and public debates. The Medicare fraud arrest mentioned above was a news story for only a day or two."
 
The current ideologies are in conflict, the Democratic Party supports the ACA goals...
The goal of the ACA is to screw up the US health care system to the point where the people support federal universal health care.
Democrats, always looking to increase the power of the state and control over the people living in it, fully support this, for obvious reasons.
Why on earth would conservatives oppose this?
:cuckoo:

The goal of the ACA is to provide effective health care which is affordable and available to all citizens

Conservatives oppose it because, Obama signed it.

  • Health care was increasing double digits for 20 years, annually;
  • Hard working people were losing everything when a catastrophic injury or disease effected their family and their insurance had limits;
  • People with existing conditions could not afford or even obtain health insurance;
  • And, conservatives put profit before people.
your opinion is noted and rejected cause its a dumbass opinion,,,

Well, obviously you lack common sense, and are one of the anti-intellectual by will or accident of birth.
or it could be I like being a free person and not some useful idiot socialist,,,
 
Claudette and Booty subscribe to "don't socialize my medicare!"

There is nothing socialized about Medicare.

Every working person pays into Medicare their entire working life. All they do is collect it when the time comes.

You really are a fool.
oh, nothing socialized about medicare …… nuzzing nuzzing nuzzing

There is nothing evil about Medicare or Medicaid policy; the only evil occurs with the fraud employed by the medical community.

Billions of dollars are stolen from We the People, see:

Medicare And Medicaid Fraud Is Costing Taxpayers Billions

From the Link:

"...federal authorities announced on May 2 they had arrested 107 health care providers, including doctors and nurses, in several cities and charged them with cheating Medicare out of $452 million.

"To put this in perspective, the collapse of the solar company Solyndra, which had taken $535 million in taxpayer dollars from the Obama administration, has been a recurring topic in the media and public debates. The Medicare fraud arrest mentioned above was a news story for only a day or two."
I didn't use the word evil, I used the word socialism.

And that's why Reagan was opposed, and he never denied that we should help retired people who couldn't afford health care.

and the reason we have a system of employer sponsored care for something like half of us is taxbreaks. Facts are stubborn things. And not always good. If I'm getting HC as part of my pay, do you think I want to pay taxes for somebody else's HC? No I don't.
 
Claudette and Booty subscribe to "don't socialize my medicare!"

There is nothing socialized about Medicare.

Every working person pays into Medicare their entire working life. All they do is collect it when the time comes.

You really are a fool.
oh, nothing socialized about medicare …… nuzzing nuzzing nuzzing

Oh its not socialized at all. Its a giant ponzi scheme and has been from the beginning.
 
Claudette and Booty subscribe to "don't socialize my medicare!"

There is nothing socialized about Medicare.

Every working person pays into Medicare their entire working life. All they do is collect it when the time comes.

You really are a fool.
oh, nothing socialized about medicare …… nuzzing nuzzing nuzzing

There is nothing evil about Medicare or Medicaid policy; the only evil occurs with the fraud employed by the medical community.

Billions of dollars are stolen from We the People, see:

Medicare And Medicaid Fraud Is Costing Taxpayers Billions

From the Link:

"...federal authorities announced on May 2 they had arrested 107 health care providers, including doctors and nurses, in several cities and charged them with cheating Medicare out of $452 million.

"To put this in perspective, the collapse of the solar company Solyndra, which had taken $535 million in taxpayer dollars from the Obama administration, has been a recurring topic in the media and public debates. The Medicare fraud arrest mentioned above was a news story for only a day or two."

I didn't use the word evil, I used the word socialism.

And that's why Reagan was opposed, and he never denied that we should help retired people who couldn't afford health care.

and the reason we have a system of employer sponsored care for something like half of us is taxbreaks. Facts are stubborn things. And not always good. If I'm getting HC as part of my pay, do you think I want to pay taxes for somebody else's HC? No I don't.

I know you didn't use the word evil, but that is exactly what the term means when socialism is used as a pejorative.

The health care / insurance debate is clouded by such antics, and the reality of health care in America has been a can kicked down the road for too long.

Trump is full of shit, he promised and promised to repeal and replace "Obama Care", which would be less costly and better; he still does. He ignores climate change too, and yet expresses over and over that an emergency exists on our southern border.
 
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Medicare is the total regulation of senior HC in America. The gummit controls how much people pay out of pocket, how much docs and hospitals can charge, how claims are challenged, how bills are submitted and paid
You can opt out, but you'd better have Bill Gates type money
 
oh, nothing socialized about medicare …… nuzzing nuzzing nuzzing
Socialized? No. That is not a complete takeover of the health care industry.

Massive government overreach with a loss of individual liberty? Yep.

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In other words, you've got not response.
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No, I made a response. Unless my inference is wrong, no one has lost a bit of liberty. Those who live here and benefit from Medicare and Medicaid, the PPACA or any government service - military, police, fire, CDC, etc. - have given their tacit consent.

You don't like it, hop on the next plane to a country where you feel you will be free and uncommitted.
 
No, I made a response. Unless my inference is wrong, no one has lost a bit of liberty. Those who live here and benefit from Medicare and Medicaid, the PPACA or any government service - military, police, fire, CDC, etc. - have given their tacit consent.

You don't like it, hop on the next plane to a country where you feel you will be free and uncommitted.
So, make the argument for what should NOT be run by government.

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No, I made a response. Unless my inference is wrong, no one has lost a bit of liberty. Those who live here and benefit from Medicare and Medicaid, the PPACA or any government service - military, police, fire, CDC, etc. - have given their tacit consent.

You don't like it, hop on the next plane to a country where you feel you will be free and uncommitted.
So, make the argument for what should NOT be run by government.

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Is that really the issue, or is the issue who should pay?
 
No, I made a response. Unless my inference is wrong, no one has lost a bit of liberty. Those who live here and benefit from Medicare and Medicaid, the PPACA or any government service - military, police, fire, CDC, etc. - have given their tacit consent.

You don't like it, hop on the next plane to a country where you feel you will be free and uncommitted.

So, make the argument for what should NOT be run by government.

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A list too long. Better to accept the fact we live in a mixed economy where government regulation protects the consumers at a cost, not for a profit.

We all admit that health care is expensive, and people like you claim paying for health insurance is an affront to liberty.

But let's discuss the cost. We allow tobacco to be sold and consumed by our citizens knowing that tobacco is a toxic substance. And the use of tobacco has been proved to be a major contributor to two very expensive maladies: Cancer and Vascular Disease (heart attacks, colluded arteries).

Would it be overreach by the government to regulate tobacco as a schedule I substance? Or would that be an affront to liberty too?
 
A list too long. Better to accept the fact we live in a mixed economy where government regulation protects the consumers at a cost, not for a profit.

We all admit that health care is expensive, and people like you claim paying for health insurance is an affront to liberty.

But let's discuss the cost. We allow tobacco to be sold and consumed by our citizens knowing that tobacco is a toxic substance. And the use of tobacco has been proved to be a major contributor to two very expensive maladies: Cancer and Vascular Disease (heart attacks, colluded arteries).

Would it be overreach by the government to regulate tobacco as a schedule I substance? Or would that be an affront to liberty too?
Where in there is the individual held responsible for his/her poor decisions?

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A list too long. Better to accept the fact we live in a mixed economy where government regulation protects the consumers at a cost, not for a profit.

We all admit that health care is expensive, and people like you claim paying for health insurance is an affront to liberty.

But let's discuss the cost. We allow tobacco to be sold and consumed by our citizens knowing that tobacco is a toxic substance. And the use of tobacco has been proved to be a major contributor to two very expensive maladies: Cancer and Vascular Disease (heart attacks, colluded arteries).

Would it be overreach by the government to regulate tobacco as a schedule I substance? Or would that be an affront to liberty too?

Where in there is the individual held responsible for his/her poor decisions?.

Yes Virginia, there are stupid questions. But, I suppose a response is in order, even when the question is stupid.

When the smoker / chewer gets cancer or has a heart attack.
 

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