The glaring evidence that Obamacare is a catastrophic FAILURE continues to mount

[PMZ]

It is sad that this has to happen.

It's also sad that the GOP has convinced people of "death panels", "losing freedom" and all the other hysterical nonsense that you sheep believe, that have actually made you think you hate a law that is a Republican idea.

So yeah, it's sad that a campaign needs to be waged to combat such blatant misinformation.

I've never seen a law created that also had to have propaganda to enforce it?

Every law ever passed, certainly including the Constitution, had to be sold to Congress and the President at a minimum. Most also required selling to the people as well.

I personally don't distinguish between advertising and propaganda because they have identical purposes. But by either word, lots is invested into creating consensus for law making.

What is different today is Republican propaganda being invested against the law of the land. Heretofore once a law was agreed to, politicians actively supported it.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

It is sad that this has to happen.

It's also sad that the GOP has convinced people of "death panels", "losing freedom" and all the other hysterical nonsense that you sheep believe, that have actually made you think you hate a law that is a Republican idea.

So yeah, it's sad that a campaign needs to be waged to combat such blatant misinformation.

I've never seen a law created that also had to have propaganda to enforce it?

Every law ever passed, certainly including the Constitution, had to be sold to Congress and the President at a minimum. Most also required selling to the people as well.

I personally don't distinguish between advertising and propaganda because they have identical purposes. But by either word, lots is invested into creating consensus for law making.

What is different today is Republican propaganda being invested against the law of the land. Heretofore once a law was agreed to, politicians actively supported it.

Sure it had to be sold before it was passed not after it was passed.

 

[PMZ]

I've never seen a law created that also had to have propaganda to enforce it?

Every law ever passed, certainly including the Constitution, had to be sold to Congress and the President at a minimum. Most also required selling to the people as well.

I personally don't distinguish between advertising and propaganda because they have identical purposes. But by either word, lots is invested into creating consensus for law making.

What is different today is Republican propaganda being invested against the law of the land. Heretofore once a law was agreed to, politicians actively supported it.

Sure it had to be sold before it was passed not after it was passed.

Laws are inextricably tied to cultural change. If you use slavery as an example, the winds of abolitionism began in colonial times and by the mid 19th century had built to an intensity that couldn't be denied. Once that happened the movement was codified into law. It would take at least two decades before the concept was achieved and our culture redefined to exclude the ownership of one people by another.

That whole process was one of the selling of both pro and anti slavery. It probably can be accurately said that the selling is still going on.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Every law ever passed, certainly including the Constitution, had to be sold to Congress and the President at a minimum. Most also required selling to the people as well.

I personally don't distinguish between advertising and propaganda because they have identical purposes. But by either word, lots is invested into creating consensus for law making.

What is different today is Republican propaganda being invested against the law of the land. Heretofore once a law was agreed to, politicians actively supported it.

Sure it had to be sold before it was passed not after it was passed.

Laws are inextricably tied to cultural change. If you use slavery as an example, the winds of abolitionism began in colonial times and by the mid 19th century had built to an intensity that couldn't be denied. Once that happened the movement was codified into law. It would take at least two decades before the concept was achieved and our culture redefined to exclude the ownership of one people by another.

That whole process was one of the selling of both pro and anti slavery. It probably can be accurately said that the selling is still going on.

Stop sputtering, slavery? Stop it
YOU'RE FAILING
No law has ever had to use propaganda from the government.

Maybe it's because it's unsustainable without over half of America buying into obamacare.
I don't think that tax will be able to handle the cost of obamacare for 2 years.

 

[PMZ]

Sure it had to be sold before it was passed not after it was passed.

Laws are inextricably tied to cultural change. If you use slavery as an example, the winds of abolitionism began in colonial times and by the mid 19th century had built to an intensity that couldn't be denied. Once that happened the movement was codified into law. It would take at least two decades before the concept was achieved and our culture redefined to exclude the ownership of one people by another.

That whole process was one of the selling of both pro and anti slavery. It probably can be accurately said that the selling is still going on.

Stop sputtering, slavery? Stop it
YOU'RE FAILING
No law has ever had to use propaganda from the government.

Maybe it's because it's unsustainable without over half of America buying into obamacare.
I don't think that tax will be able to handle the cost of obamacare for 2 years.

One of the most misinformed statements that I've read here. By anyone. It's simply not even in the same zip code as the truth.

 

[BlackSand]

That whole process was one of the selling of both pro and anti slavery. It probably can be accurately said that the selling is still going on.

American taxpayers spend $41.3 million advertising Food Stamps ... Which is a 6 fold increase since over the last decade.

Gov't spends $41.3 million in 2011 to advertise food stamps | The Daily Caller
http://money.cnn.com/2012/06/25/news/economy/food-stamps-ads/

The government just wastes money ... And a shitload of it.
That is $41.3 million that could have fed a bunch of people ... Or better yet ... Paid for an education that would provide them with a job where they wouldn't need food stamps anymore.

And you Liberals think you are helping someone by wasting their money.

 

[PMZ]

That whole process was one of the selling of both pro and anti slavery. It probably can be accurately said that the selling is still going on.

American taxpayers spend $41.3 million advertising Food Stamps ... Which is a 6 fold increase since over the last decade.

Gov't spends $41.3 million in 2011 to advertise food stamps | The Daily Caller
http://money.cnn.com/2012/06/25/news/economy/food-stamps-ads/

The government just wastes money ... And a shitload of it.
That is $41.3 million that could have fed a bunch of people ... Or better yet ... Paid for an education that would provide them with a job where they wouldn't need food stamps anymore.

And you Liberals think you are helping someone by wasting their money.

I think that all advertising by everybody ought to be outlawed.

 

[BlackSand]

American taxpayers spend $41.3 million advertising Food Stamps ... Which is a 6 fold increase since over the last decade.

Gov't spends $41.3 million in 2011 to advertise food stamps | The Daily Caller
Government runs ads to get more people on food stamps - Jun. 25, 2012

The government just wastes money ... And a shitload of it.
That is $41.3 million that could have fed a bunch of people ... Or better yet ... Paid for an education that would provide them with a job where they wouldn't need food stamps anymore.

And you Liberals think you are helping someone by wasting their money.

I think that all advertising by everybody ought to be outlawed.

So what ... Because you support sending more money to the government and the government keeps doing stupid things with it ... Like promoting more advertising.
That just means you are both ineffective and inefficient ... Along with the fact you are counterproductive to what you want to happen as far as advertising is concerned.

That is three strikes against you and you are still standing at the plate.

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[dblack]

That whole process was one of the selling of both pro and anti slavery. It probably can be accurately said that the selling is still going on.

American taxpayers spend $41.3 million advertising Food Stamps ... Which is a 6 fold increase since over the last decade.

Gov't spends $41.3 million in 2011 to advertise food stamps | The Daily Caller
Government runs ads to get more people on food stamps - Jun. 25, 2012

The government just wastes money ... And a shitload of it.
That is $41.3 million that could have fed a bunch of people ... Or better yet ... Paid for an education that would provide them with a job where they wouldn't need food stamps anymore.

And you Liberals think you are helping someone by wasting their money.

I think that all advertising by everybody ought to be outlawed.

Carrying around all that irony must be exhausting.

 

[PMZ]

American taxpayers spend $41.3 million advertising Food Stamps ... Which is a 6 fold increase since over the last decade.

Gov't spends $41.3 million in 2011 to advertise food stamps | The Daily Caller
Government runs ads to get more people on food stamps - Jun. 25, 2012

The government just wastes money ... And a shitload of it.
That is $41.3 million that could have fed a bunch of people ... Or better yet ... Paid for an education that would provide them with a job where they wouldn't need food stamps anymore.

And you Liberals think you are helping someone by wasting their money.

I think that all advertising by everybody ought to be outlawed.

So what ... Because you support sending more money to the government and the government keeps doing stupid things with it ... Like promoting more advertising.
That just means you are both ineffective and inefficient ... Along with the fact you are counterproductive to what you want to happen as far as advertising is concerned.

That is three strikes against you and you are still standing at the plate.

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Advertising has become a hugely expensive arms race for business. Everybody has to do it to not fall behind but it gives nobody a competitive advantage anymore.

More money will be spent by business just during the Super Bowl than your figure.

The rest of your post is typical conservative trash talking employed when you have no point but want to argue anyway.

 

[PMZ]

American taxpayers spend $41.3 million advertising Food Stamps ... Which is a 6 fold increase since over the last decade.

Gov't spends $41.3 million in 2011 to advertise food stamps | The Daily Caller
Government runs ads to get more people on food stamps - Jun. 25, 2012

The government just wastes money ... And a shitload of it.
That is $41.3 million that could have fed a bunch of people ... Or better yet ... Paid for an education that would provide them with a job where they wouldn't need food stamps anymore.

And you Liberals think you are helping someone by wasting their money.

I think that all advertising by everybody ought to be outlawed.

Carrying around all that irony must be exhausting.

Neither you nor I have any idea what you are talking about.

 

[BlackSand]

I think that all advertising by everybody ought to be outlawed.

So what ... Because you support sending more money to the government and the government keeps doing stupid things with it ... Like promoting more advertising.
That just means you are both ineffective and inefficient ... Along with the fact you are counterproductive to what you want to happen as far as advertising is concerned.

That is three strikes against you and you are still standing at the plate.

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Advertising has become a hugely expensive arms race for business. Everybody has to do it to not fall behind but it gives nobody a competitive advantage anymore.

More money will be spent by business just during the Super Bowl than your figure.

The rest of your post is typical conservative trash talking employed when you have no point but want to argue anyway.

I already argued my point ... Because you don't like it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
The money spent on Super Bowl ads doesn't come from taxpayer subsidies.

You don't even have a point to make one way or the other ... Typical Liberal trash talk ... About as ineffective as their policies.

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[PMZ]

So what ... Because you support sending more money to the government and the government keeps doing stupid things with it ... Like promoting more advertising.
That just means you are both ineffective and inefficient ... Along with the fact you are counterproductive to what you want to happen as far as advertising is concerned.

That is three strikes against you and you are still standing at the plate.

.

Advertising has become a hugely expensive arms race for business. Everybody has to do it to not fall behind but it gives nobody a competitive advantage anymore.

More money will be spent by business just during the Super Bowl than your figure.

The rest of your post is typical conservative trash talking employed when you have no point but want to argue anyway.

I already argued my point ... Because you don't like doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
The money spent on Super Bowl ads doesn't come from taxpayer subsidies.

You don't even have a point to make one way or the other ... Typical Liberal trash talk ... About as ineffective as their policies.

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It comes from your wallet.

 

[BlackSand]

It comes from your wallet.

Taxpayer subsidies come from my wallet ... And you want more of them.
Other than that ... I couldn't tell you who has an ad during the Super Bowl ... Or the last time I watched one ... So neither you nor I could say any of that money comes from my wallet because neither of us knows.
It doesn't come out of anyone's wallet as a matter of legislation ... The desire to expand government ... Or through taxation.

In any case ... You still don't have a point.

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[PMZ]

It comes from your wallet.

Taxpayer subsidies come from my wallet ... And you want more of them.
Other than that ... I couldn't tell you who has an ad during the Super Bowl ... Or the last time I watched one ... So neither you nor I could say any of that money comes from my wallet because neither of us knows.
It doesn't come out of anyone's wallet as a matter of legislation ... The desire to expand government ... Or through taxation.

In any case ... You still don't have a point.

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The point that I have made is that you are unable to think past the propaganda that you are unable to defend yourself from. You're stuck there. You will reject, without any consideration, any fact contrary to it.

I encourage you to keep that up as your tribe gets voted off of the island. It guarantees your continued irrelevance.

 

[BlackSand]

It comes from your wallet.

Taxpayer subsidies come from my wallet ... And you want more of them.
Other than that ... I couldn't tell you who has an ad during the Super Bowl ... Or the last time I watched one ... So neither you nor I could say any of that money comes from my wallet because neither of us knows.
It doesn't come out of anyone's wallet as a matter of legislation ... The desire to expand government ... Or through taxation.

In any case ... You still don't have a point.

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The point that I have made is that you are unable to think past the propaganda that you are unable to defend yourself from. You're stuck there. You will reject, without any consideration, any fact contrary to it.

I encourage you to keep that up as your tribe gets voted off of the island. It guarantees your continued irrelevance.

You are the only one stuck with propaganda ... And that is pretty much the extent of most of what you offer.
I try to engage you in conversation all the time ... And you reject the idea of any consideration that isn't blinded by your own eagerness to swallow the Liberal Kool-Aid.

Keep trying ... You still haven't made a point ... And you cannot blame me for your inefficiency, ineffectiveness and general lack of anything productive.

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[RKMBrown]

>> How am I different from you?
Seriously?

Yes.

We were both Republicans, when they moved authoritarian I moved to the libertarian conservative views you moved to authoritarian socialist views. IOW your politics are the opposite of mine.

Our politics are opposite. But, we want the same things. I want them for everyone.

I also want them for everyone, we have two completely different approaches. Mine is tried and true and works to the betterment of everyone. Yours lacks common sense and has been a proven failure in every way in every situation from the dawn of man.

 

[dblack]

But, not everybody wants or values the same things.

This is really is key. The core conceit of the statist is that there's one right way to live and it's up to government to force us all down that path.

As I've said before, I go through everyday abiding by the law and don't even notice it. There is nothing illegal that I feel compelled to do. That's true of everyone that I know too. If you are always feeling restricted from compelling actions by our law, I'd worry more about you personally, than the law.

I hear you. And I believe you're being honest here. But maybe you should consider what you're confessing to. You 'go through everyday' without ever thinking, and certainly not caring, about the fact that there are others who don't see things as you do, people with different goals, different concerns and different values than those you take for granted.

Your political ideology, regardless of what you call it, has nothing but disdain for the American political traditions of individuality, diversity and freedom of conscience. Those values stand in the way of everything you believe in and, based on the views you've been expressing, you won't miss them when they're gone.

 

[Antares]

The Dems are fucked for next November.
All of the Grandfathered Individual Plans get cancelled and the Small Group Plans start to get dumped, armageddon.

 

[RKMBrown]

This is really is key. The core conceit of the statist is that there's one right way to live and it's up to government to force us all down that path.

As I've said before, I go through everyday abiding by the law and don't even notice it. There is nothing illegal that I feel compelled to do. That's true of everyone that I know too. If you are always feeling restricted from compelling actions by our law, I'd worry more about you personally, than the law.

I hear you. And I believe you're being honest here. But maybe you should consider what you're confessing to. You 'go through everyday' without ever thinking, and certainly not caring, about the fact that there are others who don't see things as you do, people with different goals, different concerns and different values than those you take for granted.

Your political ideology, regardless of what you call it, has nothing but disdain for the American political traditions of individuality, diversity and freedom of conscience. Those values stand in the way of everything you believe in and, based on the views you've been expressing, you won't miss them when they're gone.

Well let's take this in context. PMZ no longer has taxable income and he's decided we should have a 70% + or whatever it takes tax rate. IOW he's wants the authority to compel others to fork over their hard earned money while he basks in the glory of his earning years.