The Official Zimmerman Trial Verdict Thread

[Missourian]

Martin had every right to walk in the neighborhood without being accosted by a neighborhood watch member.

Zimmerman had every right to observe Martin walking in the neighborhood.

Off topic [MENTION=30820]Moonglow[/MENTION]...aren't we having some terrific weather?

 

[Sarah G]

How does playing cop make him responsible ?

Because he got out of his truck to confront Martin.

That is not in evidence. Getting out of the truck to follow is not necessarily getting out of the truck to confront. He was advised that it wasn't good for him to even follow, and he said "okay".

He said ok and continued to follow.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Is walking in the dark with a loaded gun with a permit a crime in Florida?

No. But that's not what we're talking about, now is it?
His HOA meeting in January 2012 explicitly told his Neighborhood Watch committee they were to watch and report, not confront. He was told not to follow and he did anyway.

Does the HOA meeting supersede the Constitution of the United States and Florida State law?

On private property, yes. The Second Amendment allows licensed gun owners to carry their weapons in any public places, not on private property.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Because he got out of his truck to confront Martin.

That is not in evidence. Getting out of the truck to follow is not necessarily getting out of the truck to confront. He was advised that it wasn't good for him to even follow, and he said "okay".

He said ok and continued to follow.

Which is legal.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Correct, so for some people to think that he should have covered that distance in such a little time doesn't seem plausible. He had every right to " ducked and dodged, shucked and weaved" , he didn't commit any crime in doing that. zimmerman tried to play "cop" and in doing so, he is responsible for Martin's death, in my opinion.

The point that he never returned home can also indicate he was lying in wait to ambush Zimmerman after he broke off his pursuit. You really should stop spinning this. He had no right to attack Zimmerman, Phoenix. He had no right to beat his face in and beat his head into the ground. He had no right to threaten him.

That's speculation, I'm not spinning anything. What would you do if some asshole was following you in his truck and then got out of his truck and confronted you? Would you lay on your stomach, bow, run, or defend yourself?

You are spinning everything. Zimmerman the villain, Martin the victim. Zimmerman was white, Martin was black, Zimmerman kills Martin because he's a racist... so on and so forth. John Good made it clear Zimmerman was on the bottom, with Martin straddling him. Zimmerman never confronted Martin either, Martin came back to Zimmerman in his truck while he was on the phone with the cops!

 

[OODA_Loop]

No. But that's not what we're talking about, now is it?
His HOA meeting in January 2012 explicitly told his Neighborhood Watch committee they were to watch and report, not confront. He was told not to follow and he did anyway.

Does the HOA meeting supersede the Constitution of the United States and Florida State law?

On private property, yes. The Second Amendment allows licensed gun owners to carry their weapons in any public places, not on private property.

Common Areas of the condo are not private property to an owner.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Does the HOA meeting supersede the Constitution of the United States and Florida State law?

On private property, yes. The Second Amendment allows licensed gun owners to carry their weapons in any public places, not on private property.

Common Areas of the condo are not private property to an owner.

Regardless, if he had a carry permit, unless the area specifically bans guns within its confines, that shouldn't matter.

 

[Sarah G]

That is not in evidence. Getting out of the truck to follow is not necessarily getting out of the truck to confront. He was advised that it wasn't good for him to even follow, and he said "okay".

He said ok and continued to follow.

Which is legal.

Not according to the rules of the Blockwatch.

 

[pioneerpete]

No. But that's not what we're talking about, now is it?
His HOA meeting in January 2012 explicitly told his Neighborhood Watch committee they were to watch and report, not confront. He was told not to follow and he did anyway.

Does the HOA meeting supersede the Constitution of the United States and Florida State law?

On private property, yes. The Second Amendment allows licensed gun owners to carry their weapons in any public places, not on private property.

Are roads and sidewalks not public? Why isn't GZ facing gun charges as well?

 

[OODA_Loop]

On private property, yes. The Second Amendment allows licensed gun owners to carry their weapons in any public places, not on private property.

Common Areas of the condo are not private property to an owner.

Regardless, if he had a carry permit, unless the area specifically bans guns within its confines, that shouldn't matter.

It doesn't.

In Florida if you are carrying a gun on my private property w/ a carry permit I can have you trespassed ......but not arrested. If you return you are subject to violating the trespass and arrest.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Does the HOA meeting supersede the Constitution of the United States and Florida State law?

On private property, yes. The Second Amendment allows licensed gun owners to carry their weapons in any public places, not on private property.

Common Areas of the condo are not private property to an owner.

That is why they form HOAs. And most HOAs ban N.W. members from carrying guns because they do not want to bear the liability or pay for the insurance should there be an incident. But nice try.


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[OODA_Loop]

Does the HOA meeting supersede the Constitution of the United States and Florida State law?

On private property, yes. The Second Amendment allows licensed gun owners to carry their weapons in any public places, not on private property.

Are roads and sidewalks not public? Why isn't GZ facing gun charges as well?

Privately dedicated roads in the gated condo per the plat.

GZ had a carry permit.

 

[OODA_Loop]

On private property, yes. The Second Amendment allows licensed gun owners to carry their weapons in any public places, not on private property.

Common Areas of the condo are not private property to an owner.

That is why they form HOAs. And most HOAs ban N.W. members from carrying guns because they do not want to bear the liability or pay for the insurance should there be an incident. But nice try.


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Homeowners association believed to have paid out more than $1 million.
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Such a HOA ban has no force.

 

[Amelia]

Because he got out of his truck to confront Martin.

That is not in evidence. Getting out of the truck to follow is not necessarily getting out of the truck to confront. He was advised that it wasn't good for him to even follow, and he said "okay".

He said ok and continued to follow.

That is not in evidence.

 

[OODA_Loop]

He said ok and continued to follow.

Which is legal.

Not according to the rules of the Blockwatch.

Which rules have no force on anything.

 

[Amelia]

He said ok and continued to follow.

Which is legal.

Not according to the rules of the Blockwatch.

The "rules of the Blockwatch" do not determine what is legal.

And no matter how many times you say it, it has not been established that he continued to follow. At least as much evidence points away from that as points to it.

 

[Intense]

Great construct, only in your mind though. Why not for fun, come up with another 25 ways it could have actually gone down. If you could get the Defense to convince the Jury that there is no reasonable doubt, in spite of reality, you might actually get a conviction.

And that's the thing, the jury is going to go on what's been said throughout the case and, so far, the prosecution hasn't delivered any solid evidence on Zimmerman being the aggressor.
As it stands, the defense has laid out a great claim of self defense with the prosecutor's own witnesses!

It takes a lot of aggression to shoot an innocent 17 year old in the heart at point blank range.

Or fear, or being moments from loss of consciousness.

 

[The Rabbi]

No. But that's not what we're talking about, now is it?
His HOA meeting in January 2012 explicitly told his Neighborhood Watch committee they were to watch and report, not confront. He was told not to follow and he did anyway.

Does the HOA meeting supersede the Constitution of the United States and Florida State law?

On private property, yes. The Second Amendment allows licensed gun owners to carry their weapons in any public places, not on private property.

Wrong.
A property owner MAY post his property as off limits. He doesnt have to. And there is no reason to think the property was off limits.

 

[Pheonixops]

The point that he never returned home can also indicate he was lying in wait to ambush Zimmerman after he broke off his pursuit. You really should stop spinning this. He had no right to attack Zimmerman, Phoenix. He had no right to beat his face in and beat his head into the ground. He had no right to threaten him.

That's speculation, I'm not spinning anything. What would you do if some asshole was following you in his truck and then got out of his truck and confronted you? Would you lay on your stomach, bow, run, or defend yourself?

You are spinning everything. Zimmerman the villain, Martin the victim. Zimmerman was white, Martin was black, Zimmerman kills Martin because he's a racist... so on and so forth. John Good made it clear Zimmerman was on the bottom, with Martin straddling him. Zimmerman never confronted Martin either, Martin came back to Zimmerman in his truck while he was on the phone with the cops!

It's funny that you accuse me of "spinning" when you outright lied in the post above. Where did I say that zimmerman was white in the post you are responding to? Where did I say that zimmerman was a "racist" in the post that you are responding to? Oh now you are stating that zimmerman was in his truck when the confrontation happened? Where did you get that from?

I don't care what the race of either party is and was, if it was white on white or black on black, etc. I would still think that the zimmerman character was the asshole and the aggressor because he was harassing Martin by following him. Interestingly enough you never answered the question and dumbed the conversation down with baseless accusations.
Here's the question again: "What would you do if some asshole was following you in his truck and then got out of his truck and confronted you? Would you lay on your stomach, bow, run, or defend yourself?".

 

[Sarah G]

Which is legal.

Not according to the rules of the Blockwatch.

The "rules of the Blockwatch" do not determine what is legal.

And no matter how many times you say it, it has not been established that he continued to follow. At least as much evidence points away from that as points to it.

Stop saying he didn't follow then I wouldn't have to correct you.