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Nope. Championed by ignorant neo confederate libertarians douche nozzles. Even most democrats are smart enough to distance themselves from their own history. Doesn't change the fact that confederates were democrats. Let the libertarian retards fly the flag with their ignorance of history. We are a free nation. That still wont make its history different. It represents DEMOCRAT values of slave owning and elitism.Currently championed by cons.It is a democrat flag that represent all the evil democrats do. Period and end of story.
provide a link and we can talk about itWhy did you leave out the flying of the confederate battle flag during wwii by southern troops and units?
Are you serious?
fine.
Flags of the Confederate States of America - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
"During the first half of the 20th century, the Confederate flag enjoyed renewed popularity. During World War II some U.S. military units with Southern nicknames, or made up largely of Southerners, made the flag their unofficial emblem. The USS Columbia flew a Confederate Navy Ensign as a battle flag throughout combat in the South Pacific in World War II. This was done in honor of Columbia, the ship's namesake and the capital city of South Carolina, the first state to secede from the Union. Some soldiers carried Confederate flags into battle. After the Battle of Okinawa a Confederate flag was raised over Shuri Castle by a Marine from the self-styled "Rebel Company" (Company A of the 1st Battalion, 5th Marines). It was visible for miles and was taken down after three days on the orders of General Simon B. Buckner, Jr. (son of Confederate general Simon Buckner, Sr.), who stated that it was inappropriate as "Americans from all over are involved in this battle". It was replaced with the regulation, 48-star flag of the United States.[33] By the end of World War II, the use of the Confederate flag in the military was rare"
Why did you leave out the flying of the confederate battle flag during wwii by southern troops and units?
What message do you think they were trying to send with those flags?
Again....no black soldiers were asked their opinion
Is the point you are trying to make...."We used to be able to use it to celebrate our subjugation of blacks....why can't we now?"
After those soldiers returned from WWII, that flag became a symbol of the KKK. It was used as a reminder of the proper place for the negro
When Civil Rights put an end to segregation, southern states began to resurrect the confederate flag as a symbol that they still support segregation from the "negroes"
your answer does not explain why you left it out.
your answer does not explain why they were flying it. they did not raise the flag over a captured castle to send a message to blacks.
by the time of wwii, the civil war was fading from living memory. the soldiers in question were the great grandchildren of the soldiers who fought in that war.
they were expressing regional pride, as part of a the greater whole of the usa.
the grandchildren of the union soldiers who fought along side them knew that.
i have seen no evidence that anyone was bothered by this display at that time, or at any time after that, until very recently as demonstrated by the dukes of hazzard nationwide acceptance.
By the time of WWII, the flag was a fading memory of a time past
It was not part of southern state flags, it was not flying from statehouses in the south, it was not used by the KKK
Things changed after WWII. Blacks came back from the war and demanded equal rights. That flag was brought front and center as a message to blacks what their proper place in society was
It is no longer a proper symbol
provide a link and we can talk about it
Are you serious?
fine.
Flags of the Confederate States of America - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
"During the first half of the 20th century, the Confederate flag enjoyed renewed popularity. During World War II some U.S. military units with Southern nicknames, or made up largely of Southerners, made the flag their unofficial emblem. The USS Columbia flew a Confederate Navy Ensign as a battle flag throughout combat in the South Pacific in World War II. This was done in honor of Columbia, the ship's namesake and the capital city of South Carolina, the first state to secede from the Union. Some soldiers carried Confederate flags into battle. After the Battle of Okinawa a Confederate flag was raised over Shuri Castle by a Marine from the self-styled "Rebel Company" (Company A of the 1st Battalion, 5th Marines). It was visible for miles and was taken down after three days on the orders of General Simon B. Buckner, Jr. (son of Confederate general Simon Buckner, Sr.), who stated that it was inappropriate as "Americans from all over are involved in this battle". It was replaced with the regulation, 48-star flag of the United States.[33] By the end of World War II, the use of the Confederate flag in the military was rare"
Why did you leave out the flying of the confederate battle flag during wwii by southern troops and units?
What message do you think they were trying to send with those flags?
Again....no black soldiers were asked their opinion
Is the point you are trying to make...."We used to be able to use it to celebrate our subjugation of blacks....why can't we now?"
After those soldiers returned from WWII, that flag became a symbol of the KKK. It was used as a reminder of the proper place for the negro
When Civil Rights put an end to segregation, southern states began to resurrect the confederate flag as a symbol that they still support segregation from the "negroes"
your answer does not explain why you left it out.
your answer does not explain why they were flying it. they did not raise the flag over a captured castle to send a message to blacks.
by the time of wwii, the civil war was fading from living memory. the soldiers in question were the great grandchildren of the soldiers who fought in that war.
they were expressing regional pride, as part of a the greater whole of the usa.
the grandchildren of the union soldiers who fought along side them knew that.
i have seen no evidence that anyone was bothered by this display at that time, or at any time after that, until very recently as demonstrated by the dukes of hazzard nationwide acceptance.
By the time of WWII, the flag was a fading memory of a time past
It was not part of southern state flags, it was not flying from statehouses in the south, it was not used by the KKK
Things changed after WWII. Blacks came back from the war and demanded equal rights. That flag was brought front and center as a message to blacks what their proper place in society was
It is no longer a proper symbol
by the time of wwii, the civil war was a fading memory.
but the south was as alive and well as ever, as a strong regional part of the us
these soldiers were from that region, and were proud of their service and wanted their service and victories to honor their homes and ancestors.
it is interesting that they choose a battle flag of the confederacy instead of the national flag of the csa.
i am sure that the fighting men of the south, who did this wrote home and told their family and friends of what they were doing, and those that didn't certainly did when they got home.
and that is the beginning of the rise in popularity of the confederate battle flag in the 20th century.
not as a symbol of resistance to desegregation, but as a symbol of regional pride as part of a greater whole during the world war two.
you can see the easy acceptance that this received from the rest of the country, a generation later, when the dukes of hazzard presented the flag that way, and it was completely unremarked on.
It is a democrat flag that represent all the evil democrats do. Period and end of story.
Seems only Republicans still are flying it
Are you serious?
fine.
Flags of the Confederate States of America - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
"During the first half of the 20th century, the Confederate flag enjoyed renewed popularity. During World War II some U.S. military units with Southern nicknames, or made up largely of Southerners, made the flag their unofficial emblem. The USS Columbia flew a Confederate Navy Ensign as a battle flag throughout combat in the South Pacific in World War II. This was done in honor of Columbia, the ship's namesake and the capital city of South Carolina, the first state to secede from the Union. Some soldiers carried Confederate flags into battle. After the Battle of Okinawa a Confederate flag was raised over Shuri Castle by a Marine from the self-styled "Rebel Company" (Company A of the 1st Battalion, 5th Marines). It was visible for miles and was taken down after three days on the orders of General Simon B. Buckner, Jr. (son of Confederate general Simon Buckner, Sr.), who stated that it was inappropriate as "Americans from all over are involved in this battle". It was replaced with the regulation, 48-star flag of the United States.[33] By the end of World War II, the use of the Confederate flag in the military was rare"
Why did you leave out the flying of the confederate battle flag during wwii by southern troops and units?
What message do you think they were trying to send with those flags?
Again....no black soldiers were asked their opinion
Is the point you are trying to make...."We used to be able to use it to celebrate our subjugation of blacks....why can't we now?"
After those soldiers returned from WWII, that flag became a symbol of the KKK. It was used as a reminder of the proper place for the negro
When Civil Rights put an end to segregation, southern states began to resurrect the confederate flag as a symbol that they still support segregation from the "negroes"
your answer does not explain why you left it out.
your answer does not explain why they were flying it. they did not raise the flag over a captured castle to send a message to blacks.
by the time of wwii, the civil war was fading from living memory. the soldiers in question were the great grandchildren of the soldiers who fought in that war.
they were expressing regional pride, as part of a the greater whole of the usa.
the grandchildren of the union soldiers who fought along side them knew that.
i have seen no evidence that anyone was bothered by this display at that time, or at any time after that, until very recently as demonstrated by the dukes of hazzard nationwide acceptance.
By the time of WWII, the flag was a fading memory of a time past
It was not part of southern state flags, it was not flying from statehouses in the south, it was not used by the KKK
Things changed after WWII. Blacks came back from the war and demanded equal rights. That flag was brought front and center as a message to blacks what their proper place in society was
It is no longer a proper symbol
by the time of wwii, the civil war was a fading memory.
but the south was as alive and well as ever, as a strong regional part of the us
these soldiers were from that region, and were proud of their service and wanted their service and victories to honor their homes and ancestors.
it is interesting that they choose a battle flag of the confederacy instead of the national flag of the csa.
i am sure that the fighting men of the south, who did this wrote home and told their family and friends of what they were doing, and those that didn't certainly did when they got home.
and that is the beginning of the rise in popularity of the confederate battle flag in the 20th century.
not as a symbol of resistance to desegregation, but as a symbol of regional pride as part of a greater whole during the world war two.
you can see the easy acceptance that this received from the rest of the country, a generation later, when the dukes of hazzard presented the flag that way, and it was completely unremarked on.
Dukes of Hazard again?
I thought you southerners would be embarassed by that
Are you serious?
fine.
Flags of the Confederate States of America - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
"During the first half of the 20th century, the Confederate flag enjoyed renewed popularity. During World War II some U.S. military units with Southern nicknames, or made up largely of Southerners, made the flag their unofficial emblem. The USS Columbia flew a Confederate Navy Ensign as a battle flag throughout combat in the South Pacific in World War II. This was done in honor of Columbia, the ship's namesake and the capital city of South Carolina, the first state to secede from the Union. Some soldiers carried Confederate flags into battle. After the Battle of Okinawa a Confederate flag was raised over Shuri Castle by a Marine from the self-styled "Rebel Company" (Company A of the 1st Battalion, 5th Marines). It was visible for miles and was taken down after three days on the orders of General Simon B. Buckner, Jr. (son of Confederate general Simon Buckner, Sr.), who stated that it was inappropriate as "Americans from all over are involved in this battle". It was replaced with the regulation, 48-star flag of the United States.[33] By the end of World War II, the use of the Confederate flag in the military was rare"
Why did you leave out the flying of the confederate battle flag during wwii by southern troops and units?
What message do you think they were trying to send with those flags?
Again....no black soldiers were asked their opinion
Is the point you are trying to make...."We used to be able to use it to celebrate our subjugation of blacks....why can't we now?"
After those soldiers returned from WWII, that flag became a symbol of the KKK. It was used as a reminder of the proper place for the negro
When Civil Rights put an end to segregation, southern states began to resurrect the confederate flag as a symbol that they still support segregation from the "negroes"
your answer does not explain why you left it out.
your answer does not explain why they were flying it. they did not raise the flag over a captured castle to send a message to blacks.
by the time of wwii, the civil war was fading from living memory. the soldiers in question were the great grandchildren of the soldiers who fought in that war.
they were expressing regional pride, as part of a the greater whole of the usa.
the grandchildren of the union soldiers who fought along side them knew that.
i have seen no evidence that anyone was bothered by this display at that time, or at any time after that, until very recently as demonstrated by the dukes of hazzard nationwide acceptance.
By the time of WWII, the flag was a fading memory of a time past
It was not part of southern state flags, it was not flying from statehouses in the south, it was not used by the KKK
Things changed after WWII. Blacks came back from the war and demanded equal rights. That flag was brought front and center as a message to blacks what their proper place in society was
It is no longer a proper symbol
by the time of wwii, the civil war was a fading memory.
but the south was as alive and well as ever, as a strong regional part of the us
these soldiers were from that region, and were proud of their service and wanted their service and victories to honor their homes and ancestors.
it is interesting that they choose a battle flag of the confederacy instead of the national flag of the csa.
i am sure that the fighting men of the south, who did this wrote home and told their family and friends of what they were doing, and those that didn't certainly did when they got home.
and that is the beginning of the rise in popularity of the confederate battle flag in the 20th century.
not as a symbol of resistance to desegregation, but as a symbol of regional pride as part of a greater whole during the world war two.
you can see the easy acceptance that this received from the rest of the country, a generation later, when the dukes of hazzard presented the flag that way, and it was completely unremarked on.
Dukes of Hazard again?
I thought you southerners would be embarassed by that
Again....no black soldiers were asked their opinion
Is the point you are trying to make...."We used to be able to use it to celebrate our subjugation of blacks....why can't we now?"
After those soldiers returned from WWII, that flag became a symbol of the KKK. It was used as a reminder of the proper place for the negro
When Civil Rights put an end to segregation, southern states began to resurrect the confederate flag as a symbol that they still support segregation from the "negroes"
your answer does not explain why you left it out.
your answer does not explain why they were flying it. they did not raise the flag over a captured castle to send a message to blacks.
by the time of wwii, the civil war was fading from living memory. the soldiers in question were the great grandchildren of the soldiers who fought in that war.
they were expressing regional pride, as part of a the greater whole of the usa.
the grandchildren of the union soldiers who fought along side them knew that.
i have seen no evidence that anyone was bothered by this display at that time, or at any time after that, until very recently as demonstrated by the dukes of hazzard nationwide acceptance.
By the time of WWII, the flag was a fading memory of a time past
It was not part of southern state flags, it was not flying from statehouses in the south, it was not used by the KKK
Things changed after WWII. Blacks came back from the war and demanded equal rights. That flag was brought front and center as a message to blacks what their proper place in society was
It is no longer a proper symbol
by the time of wwii, the civil war was a fading memory.
but the south was as alive and well as ever, as a strong regional part of the us
these soldiers were from that region, and were proud of their service and wanted their service and victories to honor their homes and ancestors.
it is interesting that they choose a battle flag of the confederacy instead of the national flag of the csa.
i am sure that the fighting men of the south, who did this wrote home and told their family and friends of what they were doing, and those that didn't certainly did when they got home.
and that is the beginning of the rise in popularity of the confederate battle flag in the 20th century.
not as a symbol of resistance to desegregation, but as a symbol of regional pride as part of a greater whole during the world war two.
you can see the easy acceptance that this received from the rest of the country, a generation later, when the dukes of hazzard presented the flag that way, and it was completely unremarked on.
Dukes of Hazard again?
I thought you southerners would be embarassed by that
Smart people can be embarrassed.
Those with the IQ of a tin can? Less so...
Yes...quite a small minority.....now.
you see a lot of photos of the klan like this.
close up, angled up, so that you cannot see that there are just a couple of klansmen and that they are outnumbered by the press and the cameramen.
if you was a more wide angle shot the reader might get the right idea, ie that the klan is a tiny joke in modern america.
Ah...so old doesn't matter anymore? Like when posters talk about the OLD Democrats supporting slavery and segregation? Let's not talk about it anymore because it's "old"? (Isn't that what history is?)The flag was used as a means to put Civil Rights marchers in their place
why is that photo in black and white?
oh, because it so so old that color film was not in common use.
sometime in the 50s, most likely. perhaps early 60s.
You are misrepresenting the meaning of "fighting under...". A company of soldiers or more accurately, an individual or group of soldiers pulling out a flag and displaying it on the battlefield after the battle is not anything like fighting under the banner of flag.Why are you still making that claim? You still haven't backed it up. Some southern boys pulled out some confederate flags a couple of times and perhaps only once in WWII. The only photo of it being used is of a soldier tying a small flag to a tree branch at Okinawa. No unit ever fought under that flag.Why did you leave out the flying of the confederate battle flag during wwii by southern troops and units?
i told you you could find some stuff on wikepedia.
the uss columbia fought under the flag, and the flag was raised over shuri castle by "Rebel company" after teh battle of okinawa.
why do you think they called themselves "rebel company"?
so you think they were planning on "rebelling"?
Those are anecdotal examples. The use was not authorized or official. In the case of Shuri Castle my reading is that they were ordered to take it down. There is no record of the USS Columbia CL 56 being authorized to fly the flag, although it is easy to believe that the Navy turned a blind eye since it was named after Columbia, SC.
Telling someone to go find something at Wikipedia is bullshit. There are numerous articles at Wikipedia on this topic. Don't expect people to just believe your claims. Your the guy that doesn't know Kodachome was invented in the '30's and Polaroid color instamatic cameras could be bought in the early 60's.
lol!
it's use was not authorized or official?
that's your answer?
it happened. some american units fought under the confederate battle flag as i said.
it is part of the 20th rise in popularity of hte confederate battle flag.
the soldiers at shuri castle were ordered to take it down, but not because it was racist, or treasonous, but because soldiers from all over the us took part in the battle..
the man that ordered it down was the son of a confederate general.
Crews of individual APC's and even Huey's or other vehicles or aircraft in Vietnam sometimes displayed flags or even affixed decals or art depicting the confederate flag. No one complained, but that is not the same as a unit fighting under the flag.
In any case, the photo of the confederate flag at Shuri appears to be a photo shop. An older photo shows the soldier displaying an American flag. The whole story came from someone relating a story told by a officer killed shortly after the incident. A murky story to say the least.
No it wasn't.your thread title is a lie.
you claim to be discussing the history of the flag, but you discuss it's beginning and then jump forward almost one hundred years.
how could you jump over it's use by southern units in WWII?
that was a huge part of it's development from a historical battle flag to a symbol of the south.
Yes...quite a small minority.....now.
you see a lot of photos of the klan like this.
close up, angled up, so that you cannot see that there are just a couple of klansmen and that they are outnumbered by the press and the cameramen.
if you was a more wide angle shot the reader might get the right idea, ie that the klan is a tiny joke in modern america.
Yes...we can tell this upsets you, Stephanie...like the murder of 9 churchgoers and the sexual abuse of 5 year old girls by their teenage brother does not bother you.Here we go. last week it was? these people live to stir up hate and division. it's NEVER ENDING. He should have just called us all Nxxxers like Obama did.
You have been unable to provide evidence that the confederate battle flag was used as you are implying and hence the idea that WWII gave some big boost in popularity or historical significance to the flag is based on nothing more than your imagination. . You have used an example of one company displaying it after a battle during the larger battle of Okinawa. That and one ship, CL 56 the USS Columbia, named after Columbia, SC, that may have displayed it.Again....no black soldiers were asked their opinion
Is the point you are trying to make...."We used to be able to use it to celebrate our subjugation of blacks....why can't we now?"
After those soldiers returned from WWII, that flag became a symbol of the KKK. It was used as a reminder of the proper place for the negro
When Civil Rights put an end to segregation, southern states began to resurrect the confederate flag as a symbol that they still support segregation from the "negroes"
your answer does not explain why you left it out.
your answer does not explain why they were flying it. they did not raise the flag over a captured castle to send a message to blacks.
by the time of wwii, the civil war was fading from living memory. the soldiers in question were the great grandchildren of the soldiers who fought in that war.
they were expressing regional pride, as part of a the greater whole of the usa.
the grandchildren of the union soldiers who fought along side them knew that.
i have seen no evidence that anyone was bothered by this display at that time, or at any time after that, until very recently as demonstrated by the dukes of hazzard nationwide acceptance.
By the time of WWII, the flag was a fading memory of a time past
It was not part of southern state flags, it was not flying from statehouses in the south, it was not used by the KKK
Things changed after WWII. Blacks came back from the war and demanded equal rights. That flag was brought front and center as a message to blacks what their proper place in society was
It is no longer a proper symbol
by the time of wwii, the civil war was a fading memory.
but the south was as alive and well as ever, as a strong regional part of the us
these soldiers were from that region, and were proud of their service and wanted their service and victories to honor their homes and ancestors.
it is interesting that they choose a battle flag of the confederacy instead of the national flag of the csa.
i am sure that the fighting men of the south, who did this wrote home and told their family and friends of what they were doing, and those that didn't certainly did when they got home.
and that is the beginning of the rise in popularity of the confederate battle flag in the 20th century.
not as a symbol of resistance to desegregation, but as a symbol of regional pride as part of a greater whole during the world war two.
you can see the easy acceptance that this received from the rest of the country, a generation later, when the dukes of hazzard presented the flag that way, and it was completely unremarked on.
Dukes of Hazard again?
I thought you southerners would be embarassed by that
why would i be embarrassed by an argument that you have been completely unable to touch at all?
any comment of the fact that the flag's rise in teh 20th was associated with wwii and not the resistance to desegregation as you claimed, supports my view and the view of 1979 american and not yours?
Ah...so old doesn't matter anymore? Like when posters talk about the OLD Democrats supporting slavery and segregation? Let's not talk about it anymore because it's "old"? (Isn't that what history is?)The flag was used as a means to put Civil Rights marchers in their place
why is that photo in black and white?
oh, because it so so old that color film was not in common use.
sometime in the 50s, most likely. perhaps early 60s.
The Dukes of Hazzard was a Southern parody...making fun of the good ole' boy image of the South that is stuck in the 50s & 60s. You want to hold THAT up as serious representation?Does this mean that the Dukes of hazard is now a racists show? If so, this is not the America I want to be a part of because the Dukes of hazard was awesome.
So...it's ok to fly the Nazi flag too because it's just an inanimate object.....an inanimate object, I might add, that represented something that lasted 3 times as long as the traitorous Confederacy.This is sad. A flag is an inanimate object and cannot control who uses it and why they use it. The flag of choice at most KKK rallies is the Stars and Stripes, as anyone can confirm by Googling images of KKK meetings. See, for example:
Klansmen holding American flags at a Ku Klux Klan rally in Montgomery Alabama. Jim Peppler Southern Courier Photograph Collection
The Real Flag Of The Ku Klux Klan - KKK
The Confederate constitution, FYI, allowed for the admission of free states--yes, free states--to the Confederacy and banned the overseas slave trade. At least two-thirds of Southern families held no slaves. There were as many free blacks in the South as there were in the North, if not more. Thousands of blacks served in the Confederate army as combat soldiers. The Confederate government showed far more respect for freedom of the press and citizens' civil liberties than did the U.S. government.
Black Confederates
Surprising Facts About the Confederacy
You have been unable to provide evidence that the confederate battle flag was used as you are implying and hence the idea that WWII gave some big boost in popularity or historical significance to the flag is based on nothing more than your imagination. . You have used an example of one company displaying it after a battle during the larger battle of Okinawa. That and one ship, CL 56 the USS Columbia, named after Columbia, SC, that may have displayed it.your answer does not explain why you left it out.
your answer does not explain why they were flying it. they did not raise the flag over a captured castle to send a message to blacks.
by the time of wwii, the civil war was fading from living memory. the soldiers in question were the great grandchildren of the soldiers who fought in that war.
they were expressing regional pride, as part of a the greater whole of the usa.
the grandchildren of the union soldiers who fought along side them knew that.
i have seen no evidence that anyone was bothered by this display at that time, or at any time after that, until very recently as demonstrated by the dukes of hazzard nationwide acceptance.
By the time of WWII, the flag was a fading memory of a time past
It was not part of southern state flags, it was not flying from statehouses in the south, it was not used by the KKK
Things changed after WWII. Blacks came back from the war and demanded equal rights. That flag was brought front and center as a message to blacks what their proper place in society was
It is no longer a proper symbol
by the time of wwii, the civil war was a fading memory.
but the south was as alive and well as ever, as a strong regional part of the us
these soldiers were from that region, and were proud of their service and wanted their service and victories to honor their homes and ancestors.
it is interesting that they choose a battle flag of the confederacy instead of the national flag of the csa.
i am sure that the fighting men of the south, who did this wrote home and told their family and friends of what they were doing, and those that didn't certainly did when they got home.
and that is the beginning of the rise in popularity of the confederate battle flag in the 20th century.
not as a symbol of resistance to desegregation, but as a symbol of regional pride as part of a greater whole during the world war two.
you can see the easy acceptance that this received from the rest of the country, a generation later, when the dukes of hazzard presented the flag that way, and it was completely unremarked on.
Dukes of Hazard again?
I thought you southerners would be embarassed by that
why would i be embarrassed by an argument that you have been completely unable to touch at all?
any comment of the fact that the flag's rise in teh 20th was associated with wwii and not the resistance to desegregation as you claimed, supports my view and the view of 1979 american and not yours?
