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I can tell you that liberalism isn't about denouncing a religion in general which is what seems to be the only acceptable answer to you. I was hoping you could elaborate, maybe drop some of your John Rawls knowledge on me.Can you give an example of a liberal response to the OP that would be acceptable to you?
The first one who shows a willingness to understand what liberalism is all about and what Islam is all about gets the cookie.
It is easier for people of very low intelligence to just trot out "rwnj" and be done with it.You get more partisan by the minute. Bunch of rwnj talking point nonsense.there are millions of "people of faith" on the political left.
they're the ones smart enough to understand where to draw that constitutional line with religion.
Exactly .... At one time I counted about 38 Pro-Life Dems in Congress. So why is it that you folks feel so free to constantly MOCK and abuse people of faith? Are those "smart ones" so partisan as to ignore the slights? OR are the social issues of abortion and other things you frame as "religious issues" more secular that you just want to admit? Do you realize how central religion is to "YOUR" minorities of blacks and hispanics? You know --- the ones you think you OWN...
'Cept -- I'm certainly not right-wing. Will out-Liberal you on MANY issues. I haven't been a partisan since I left Grad School. Worked for 3rd party ballot and process all my life. Even conferred personally with many Commie Green Party members to get this done.
It's just REMARKABLE how clear the air is from my perspective. You should try it..
Thinking is just too damned difficult for some.
Don't you mean when people of very low intelligence just trot out "Commie Green Party"?
This is a wonderful thing to watch and funny as hell -- if the future of the world didn't hang in the balance.
Yes I think you are high, or have lousy reading comprehension. Try again, slowly this time.I mock people of faith. All of them. Especially when they try to mess with people. Some of the brightest people I know are people of faith. That doesn't mean that the dumb ones can't be mocked.
So you just stipulated that you would mock an ENTIRE RELIGION --- because "some" of them are dumb?
Great move.. Nice to know "the rules". Very informative thread. It's like therapy time for partisans here. We should lock in all the participants, buy more couches and get this shit settled honestly...
I mock all religions. I sometimes mock people who are religious...when they deserve it. What don't you understand?
Really? You've never mocked me. Oh --- I'm not religious. I just SUPPORT religious people.. When's the last time you mocked a crystal worshipper or a Wiccan? OH -- they are LIKELY to be Democrats I bet...
That's like the third recent post of yours that I read and found to be really weird. You having a few cocktails this afternoon?
He said he mocks every religion equally (at least if they have some dumb people in them).. Wouldn't crystal worshipers be more mockable than Christians? Just curious. Not high..
I can tell you that liberalism isn't about denouncing a religion in general which is what seems to be the only acceptable answer to you. I was hoping you could elaborate, maybe drop some of your John Rawls knowledge on me.Can you give an example of a liberal response to the OP that would be acceptable to you?
The first one who shows a willingness to understand what liberalism is all about and what Islam is all about gets the cookie.
So you just stipulated that you would mock an ENTIRE RELIGION --- because "some" of them are dumb?
I mock all religions. I sometimes mock people who are religious...when they deserve it. What don't you understand?
Really? You've never mocked me. Oh --- I'm not religious. I just SUPPORT religious people.. When's the last time you mocked a crystal worshipper or a Wiccan? OH -- they are LIKELY to be Democrats I bet...
That's like the third recent post of yours that I read and found to be really weird. You having a few cocktails this afternoon?
He said he mocks every religion equally (at least if they have some dumb people in them).. Wouldn't crystal worshipers be more mockable than Christians? Just curious. Not high..
More mockable? No. Of equal mocking value, yes.
For me ALL religions are equal. They all have good parts and bad parts and it's not usually the religion that's "bad" it's the fan clubs that get scary.
many with multiple accounts, full of sound and fury signifying absolutely nothing.
It is in Christianity as well.I can tell you that liberalism isn't about denouncing a religion in general which is what seems to be the only acceptable answer to you. I was hoping you could elaborate, maybe drop some of your John Rawls knowledge on me.Can you give an example of a liberal response to the OP that would be acceptable to you?
The first one who shows a willingness to understand what liberalism is all about and what Islam is all about gets the cookie.
Liberalism involves maximizing social justice for all concerned.
Women's second-class status is codified into the very fabric of Islam.
Since you do not know anything about either Islam or liberalism, you are just offering the same mindless platitudes of the others.
I can tell you that liberalism isn't about denouncing a religion in general which is what seems to be the only acceptable answer to you. I was hoping you could elaborate, maybe drop some of your John Rawls knowledge on me.Can you give an example of a liberal response to the OP that would be acceptable to you?
The first one who shows a willingness to understand what liberalism is all about and what Islam is all about gets the cookie.
Liberalism involves maximizing social justice for all concerned.
Women's second-class status is codified into the very fabric of Islam.
Since you do not know anything about either Islam or liberalism, you are just offering the same mindless platitudes of the others.
The question remains, what is the best way to maximize social justice for all?I can tell you that liberalism isn't about denouncing a religion in general which is what seems to be the only acceptable answer to you. I was hoping you could elaborate, maybe drop some of your John Rawls knowledge on me.Can you give an example of a liberal response to the OP that would be acceptable to you?
The first one who shows a willingness to understand what liberalism is all about and what Islam is all about gets the cookie.
Liberalism involves maximizing social justice for all concerned.
Women's second-class status is codified into the very fabric of Islam.
Since you do not know anything about either Islam or liberalism, you are just offering the same mindless platitudes of the others.
The question remains, what is the best way to maximize social justice for all?I can tell you that liberalism isn't about denouncing a religion in general which is what seems to be the only acceptable answer to you. I was hoping you could elaborate, maybe drop some of your John Rawls knowledge on me.Can you give an example of a liberal response to the OP that would be acceptable to you?
The first one who shows a willingness to understand what liberalism is all about and what Islam is all about gets the cookie.
Liberalism involves maximizing social justice for all concerned.
Women's second-class status is codified into the very fabric of Islam.
Since you do not know anything about either Islam or liberalism, you are just offering the same mindless platitudes of the others.
I'm sure you are familiar with Rawls method of reflective equilibrium. Is alienating Muslims the best way to achieve the maximization of social justice? What effect does culture have on adherence to religious dogma and how should that instruct us in our quest? What about our own foreign policy in regards to Saudi Arabia, are we sending mixed messages when we support the most brutal of regimes on the planet?
It seems to me you are the one offering the platitude.
you really are a dumbass.It is easier for people of very low intelligence to just trot out "rwnj" and be done with it.You get more partisan by the minute. Bunch of rwnj talking point nonsense.Exactly .... At one time I counted about 38 Pro-Life Dems in Congress. So why is it that you folks feel so free to constantly MOCK and abuse people of faith? Are those "smart ones" so partisan as to ignore the slights? OR are the social issues of abortion and other things you frame as "religious issues" more secular that you just want to admit? Do you realize how central religion is to "YOUR" minorities of blacks and hispanics? You know --- the ones you think you OWN...
'Cept -- I'm certainly not right-wing. Will out-Liberal you on MANY issues. I haven't been a partisan since I left Grad School. Worked for 3rd party ballot and process all my life. Even conferred personally with many Commie Green Party members to get this done.
It's just REMARKABLE how clear the air is from my perspective. You should try it..
Thinking is just too damned difficult for some.
Don't you mean when people of very low intelligence just trot out "Commie Green Party"?
THEY are honest and admit it. Unlike some parties that hide their Socialistic/Communist tendencies with euphemisms until some brave Independent like Bernie comes around. It's in their platform. Does not say Communism -- but it is a kissing cousin to it. I LOVE those folks. They have principles. Like Bernie. Spent a lot of time with them when I was active in Libertarian affairs in California.
In case you missed the nuance. One of your "clan" just conceded that mocking an entire religion is justified --- IF some of their members are dumb. So what I would like to know is -- what is different about that from other folks indicting an ENTIRE religion because some of their members are violent Jihadis??
Do anyone AGREE that's OK??
Still ROFLing over the assertion that all the "smart" Christians are Democrats..
you really are a dumbass.It is easier for people of very low intelligence to just trot out "rwnj" and be done with it.You get more partisan by the minute. Bunch of rwnj talking point nonsense.
'Cept -- I'm certainly not right-wing. Will out-Liberal you on MANY issues. I haven't been a partisan since I left Grad School. Worked for 3rd party ballot and process all my life. Even conferred personally with many Commie Green Party members to get this done.
It's just REMARKABLE how clear the air is from my perspective. You should try it..
Thinking is just too damned difficult for some.
Don't you mean when people of very low intelligence just trot out "Commie Green Party"?
THEY are honest and admit it. Unlike some parties that hide their Socialistic/Communist tendencies with euphemisms until some brave Independent like Bernie comes around. It's in their platform. Does not say Communism -- but it is a kissing cousin to it. I LOVE those folks. They have principles. Like Bernie. Spent a lot of time with them when I was active in Libertarian affairs in California.
In case you missed the nuance. One of your "clan" just conceded that mocking an entire religion is justified --- IF some of their members are dumb. So what I would like to know is -- what is different about that from other folks indicting an ENTIRE religion because some of their members are violent Jihadis??
Do anyone AGREE that's OK??
Still ROFLing over the assertion that all the "smart" Christians are Democrats..
most egregious dumbassery highlighted in your dumbass post.
dumbass
I mock people of faith. All of them. Especially when they try to mess with people. Some of the brightest people I know are people of faith. That doesn't mean that the dumb ones can't be mocked.
About the future of the world hanging in the balance. If you don't think so --- don't try to convince me. Go find a more important thread on bathrooms or revealing tax returns or GASP ---- some politician lying.. Might be more your speed bud.
Do you think someone here believes that Islam is somehow a liberal religion? Is that where your failure stems from?
Do you think someone here believes that Islam is somehow a liberal religion? Is that where your failure stems from?
It's more about all those who defend some of the very worst things about Islam by indulging in false equivalences to Christianity.
As I mentioned, when you compare at attitude that is mainstream in Islam to one quire rare in Christianity , truly egregious actions in Islam to those merely irritating in Christianity, or actions in today's Islam to the Christianity of times long ago,you are indulging in nothing but propaganda.
When you feel free to attack Christianity while calling people names for criticizing MUCH WORSE in Islam, you are a hypocrite.
When you compare terrorist actions motivated by the desire to spread Islam to acts totally unrelated to Christianity committed by Christians, you are just, plain dishonest.
I agree, misogyny should be called what it is. Do you think Americans are by and large excepting of misogyny? Do we have a large problem with it here?As to help maximize social justice, for starters, we should stop looking the other way at misogyny and call it for what it is. Working directly with Muslim feminist groups would be a good star, too.
The name calling is counter productive, for sure. I hope you are not implying that you are above it though, you seem smitten with "illiberal" and "regressive leftist".The worst thing is to continue to indulge in all this name calling you reserve only for those who reject the ultra-conservatism of Islam. You don't call people names when Christianity is involved, do you? Islam is magnitudes more conservative, yet all the little knees jerk so fast with people trying to be the first to call somebody a bigot-racist-Islamophobe that you can't even discuss the problem.
Yes, it's a problem. You can't force it on them, that only alienates them and is inconsistent with liberal ideals. Which is why I believe the approach should be more nuanced, less vitriolic. We certainly can't close Mosques, if that is what you are suggesting.The problem is how to liberalize people, and if they receive a steady diet of vitriol from the Imams, that won't happen.
True.The best way to bring about religious freedom in Saudi Arabia is as yet undiscovered. However, I can say with certainty that ending religious freedom in London or here.....is NOT going to accomplish that goal.
Ya dumb shit.
True.The best way to bring about religious freedom in Saudi Arabia is as yet undiscovered. However, I can say with certainty that ending religious freedom in London or here.....is NOT going to accomplish that goal.
Ya dumb shit.
It will get lots of us dead.
Which is why you-and-yours are being pushed back onto the sidelines again, this year.
It is coded in the fabric of all the Abrahamic faiths yet they evolved. When you damn an entire faith with your vitriol you deny them the opportunity for change and close your eyes to the change that is slowly occurring. What is most telling and most illiberal is utter lack of desire to look at other misogynistic faiths such as Hinduism. Your condemnation is so selective it's laughable to pretend liberalism lies at the root of it.I can tell you that liberalism isn't about denouncing a religion in general which is what seems to be the only acceptable answer to you. I was hoping you could elaborate, maybe drop some of your John Rawls knowledge on me.Can you give an example of a liberal response to the OP that would be acceptable to you?
The first one who shows a willingness to understand what liberalism is all about and what Islam is all about gets the cookie.
Liberalism involves maximizing social justice for all concerned.
Women's second-class status is codified into the very fabric of Islam.
Since you do not know anything about either Islam or liberalism, you are just offering the same mindless platitudes of the others.
