The Right To Destroy Jewish History

[surada]

There was no such thing as a Palestine or Palestinian people

Arafat invented them.

You are just ignorant. Arafat didn't show up on the scene until the 1960s. Some Palestinians went to my Church in the 1950s and one of our houseboys was Palestinian.

I don’t care.

I know.. Theft and murder is acceptable to you as long as the European refugees get more land.

And the middle eastern refugees that comprise most of Israel's current population who were stripped of their belongings and told to "go back to where you came from" by the Arabs?

In true IslamoNazi form, apparently think there aren't enough Arab / Muslim countries and they don't have enough land they invaded and cinquered compared to the less than 1% of land that Israel sits on, which happens to be the religious, cultural and ancestral homeland of the Jews to begin with.

Of course.. There have always been more Arabs..

What sort of immigrants do you want to take over YOUR ancestral home at the point of a gun?

So let's give the one land that is Jewish and make it Arab / Muslim failed terrorist state number 40 just because you hate the Jews and infidels as much as they do. Ain't gonna happen.

People of the Book are not infidels. People who worship the God of Abraham are not infidels. Your problem is ignorance and a desire to justify erasing the Palestinians.

Islam considers all non Muslims to be infidels. That is a fact.

No one is trying to erase the Palestinians. All that we are saying is that these Arabs, who have only called themselves Palestinians since 1963-64, would never have called themselves this identity if it had not been for the Mandate for Palestine to re create the Jewish Nation on the Jewish Homeland.

The Palestinian Museum in Ramallah, which you did not say anything about, clearly only has Palestinian History going back to 1920, denoting that they are a new identity, nationality, a people who would have continued to be called Arab, or the clan each came from, to this day.

The Balfour Declaration happened. The Mandate for Palestine happened. The defeat of the Arab armies in 1948, 1967 and 1973 happened.


Do note, again, that today's Palestinians and their Palestinian Museum cannot connect at all......today's Arabs to the Arabs from 10,000 years ago, or from the time of Abraham, or even the time of the Romans.

No.. islam doesn't consider Jews, Christians infidels. They are people of the book.

They were called Palestinians in 1950.. The refugee camps in Lebanon were Palestinian. I know. I visted them as a little girl.

Both articles contradict your belief:

NU calls for end to word 'infidels' to describe non-Muslims - National - The Jakarta Post

As an alternative, Moqsith and other clerics agreed to use the word muwathinun (citizen), to demonstrate that Muslims and non-Muslims have equal status as citizens in a country.

www.thejakartapost.com

The world’s largest Islamic group wants Muslims to stop saying 'infidel' - The World from PRX

The timing of this anti-kafir push is hardly accidental. Indonesia's conservative Muslim clerics are gaining influence through social media with hard-line messages. Nahdlatul Ulama, or NU, with more than 90 million followers, wants to disseminate the “message of Islam as a source of universal love.”

www.pri.org

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They were called Palestinians only after the Mandate for Palestine.
ALL inhabitants in the Mandate for Palestine from 1920 on, were called Palestinians. Jews, Arabs, Bedouin, Druze, Greeks, etc

See the Ottoman Census of 1870.. or you can read the Palestinian documents at the Avalon Project, Yale. Its just the documents not commentary. Jews were a tiny minority compared to Muslims and Christians.

Or, you can go back further and read Ibn Battuta and Rabbi Benjamin of Tudela.

By the time of Christ most Jews lived outside of Palestine. There were large Jewish communities in Baghdad, Damascus, Allepo, Alexandria, Rome, Elephantine Island and all around the Med Sea. Palestine was pretty harsh, stony, arid and hardscrabble.

Ottoman's had the Jews as a majority in Jerusalem during the same time period. Duh

Probably not.. The Muslims Quarter in Jerusalem was the largest for 1300 years.

Most of Palestine's population, estimated to be around 200,000 in the early years of Ottoman rule, lived in villages. The largest cities were Gaza, Safad and Jerusalem, each with a population of around 5,000–6,000. Ottoman property administration consisted of a system of fiefs called timar and trusts called waqf.
History of Palestine - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine

 

[surada]

When academics call Israel a "settler colonial" state, it is meant to isolate the Jewish state from the legitimate family of nations. Yet historically, colonies have related to a mother country. The Puritans saw themselves as English, Afrikaaners as Dutch, Muslim conquerors as Arabs. They spoke the mother country's language and attempted to transfer its culture to their new land.

The early, pre-state Zionists, however, sought to escape Europe, not to replicate it. They rejected Yiddish and adopted an old Middle East language - Hebrew - which they updated for modern purposes, while changing their German or Russian-sounding names.

Central to the Zionist enterprise was the conviction that they were returning home. No other transplanted society made such a claim. Jews had lived in the area continuously for thousands of years. The Hebrew language is Semitic, not Indo-European. Ancient Jewish artifacts could be found everywhere.

It is therefore more accurate to see Zionism as a form of nationalism - and Zionists as fulfilling a people's aspiration for self-determination in what they regard as their own land.

(full article online)

Is Israel really a settler colonial state? | Opinion | Opinion

***

www.haaretz.com

Of course its nationalism. Colonial settlers? Well, they don't allow Palestinians to return to their ancestral homes.

Palestinians can't go back to their ancestral homelands of Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia etc. because even the Arabs scoffed at the existence of a Palestinian when the idea came up. In fact calling an Arab Muslim was an insult pre 1948 before Arafat hijacked the name, because it referred to the Jews of the region. Your whole cause is a hoax.

The Palestinians were not from Saudi Arabia, Syria or Egypt. What on earth?

They are descended from the first century Jews who stayed behind.. That's why 90% of them share Jewish dna.

 

[Sixties Fan]

When academics call Israel a "settler colonial" state, it is meant to isolate the Jewish state from the legitimate family of nations. Yet historically, colonies have related to a mother country. The Puritans saw themselves as English, Afrikaaners as Dutch, Muslim conquerors as Arabs. They spoke the mother country's language and attempted to transfer its culture to their new land.

The early, pre-state Zionists, however, sought to escape Europe, not to replicate it. They rejected Yiddish and adopted an old Middle East language - Hebrew - which they updated for modern purposes, while changing their German or Russian-sounding names.

Central to the Zionist enterprise was the conviction that they were returning home. No other transplanted society made such a claim. Jews had lived in the area continuously for thousands of years. The Hebrew language is Semitic, not Indo-European. Ancient Jewish artifacts could be found everywhere.

It is therefore more accurate to see Zionism as a form of nationalism - and Zionists as fulfilling a people's aspiration for self-determination in what they regard as their own land.

(full article online)

Is Israel really a settler colonial state? | Opinion | Opinion

***

www.haaretz.com

Of course its nationalism. Colonial settlers? Well, they don't allow Palestinians to return to their ancestral homes.

Palestinians can't go back to their ancestral homelands of Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia etc. because even the Arabs scoffed at the existence of a Palestinian when the idea came up. In fact calling an Arab Muslim was an insult pre 1948 before Arafat hijacked the name, because it referred to the Jews of the region. Your whole cause is a hoax.

The Palestinians were not from Saudi Arabia, Syria or Egypt. What on earth?

They are descended from the first century Jews who stayed behind.. That's why 90% of them share Jewish dna.

What does any of this have to do with the Thread's title, The Right to destroy Jewish history?

Discuss origins and population on some other thread.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Palestinian Authority official Mohammad Shtayyeh explained this week in a speech to members of the Fatah party how he thinks the narrative against Israel should be presented.

He asked those present to engineer the public consciousness in a way that would clarify the difference between the Jewish people and the State of Israel.

"To fight the narrative, one has to understand that clearly, the Hebrews, the Jews, and the Israelis are not the same thing." said Shtayyeh in a video translated by Mechon Mamre.

He bases his explanations on various Islamic commentaries on the Bible. "Israel is Jacob. The children of Israel, they are the children of Jacob; 1300 years separate his children from the prophet Moses, making the Israelites and the Jews two different entities."

Shtayyeh added that "the key question is who the Jews of today are. The answer is clear, the Jews of today are Khuzar Jews who joined Judaism in the sixth century."

(full article online)

Palestinian Authority official: No relation between Israel and Jews

Mohammad Shtayyeh, leading Palestinian Authority official, explains his theory that Jews, Israelites, and Hebrews are different entities.

www.israelnationalnews.com

 

[Roudy]

When academics call Israel a "settler colonial" state, it is meant to isolate the Jewish state from the legitimate family of nations. Yet historically, colonies have related to a mother country. The Puritans saw themselves as English, Afrikaaners as Dutch, Muslim conquerors as Arabs. They spoke the mother country's language and attempted to transfer its culture to their new land.

The early, pre-state Zionists, however, sought to escape Europe, not to replicate it. They rejected Yiddish and adopted an old Middle East language - Hebrew - which they updated for modern purposes, while changing their German or Russian-sounding names.

Central to the Zionist enterprise was the conviction that they were returning home. No other transplanted society made such a claim. Jews had lived in the area continuously for thousands of years. The Hebrew language is Semitic, not Indo-European. Ancient Jewish artifacts could be found everywhere.

It is therefore more accurate to see Zionism as a form of nationalism - and Zionists as fulfilling a people's aspiration for self-determination in what they regard as their own land.

(full article online)

Is Israel really a settler colonial state? | Opinion | Opinion

***

www.haaretz.com

Of course its nationalism. Colonial settlers? Well, they don't allow Palestinians to return to their ancestral homes.

Palestinians can't go back to their ancestral homelands of Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia etc. because even the Arabs scoffed at the existence of a Palestinian when the idea came up. In fact calling an Arab Muslim was an insult pre 1948 before Arafat hijacked the name, because it referred to the Jews of the region. Your whole cause is a hoax.

The Palestinians were not from Saudi Arabia, Syria or Egypt. What on earth?

They are descended from the first century Jews who stayed behind.. That's why 90% of them share Jewish dna.

Islamonazi logic at its finest. Jews are the closest descendants of ancient Jews, not Arab Muslims.

 

[surada]

When academics call Israel a "settler colonial" state, it is meant to isolate the Jewish state from the legitimate family of nations. Yet historically, colonies have related to a mother country. The Puritans saw themselves as English, Afrikaaners as Dutch, Muslim conquerors as Arabs. They spoke the mother country's language and attempted to transfer its culture to their new land.

The early, pre-state Zionists, however, sought to escape Europe, not to replicate it. They rejected Yiddish and adopted an old Middle East language - Hebrew - which they updated for modern purposes, while changing their German or Russian-sounding names.

Central to the Zionist enterprise was the conviction that they were returning home. No other transplanted society made such a claim. Jews had lived in the area continuously for thousands of years. The Hebrew language is Semitic, not Indo-European. Ancient Jewish artifacts could be found everywhere.

It is therefore more accurate to see Zionism as a form of nationalism - and Zionists as fulfilling a people's aspiration for self-determination in what they regard as their own land.

(full article online)

Is Israel really a settler colonial state? | Opinion | Opinion

***

www.haaretz.com

Of course its nationalism. Colonial settlers? Well, they don't allow Palestinians to return to their ancestral homes.

Palestinians can't go back to their ancestral homelands of Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia etc. because even the Arabs scoffed at the existence of a Palestinian when the idea came up. In fact calling an Arab Muslim was an insult pre 1948 before Arafat hijacked the name, because it referred to the Jews of the region. Your whole cause is a hoax.

The Palestinians were not from Saudi Arabia, Syria or Egypt. What on earth?

They are descended from the first century Jews who stayed behind.. That's why 90% of them share Jewish dna.

Islamonazi logic at its finest. Jews are the closest descendants of ancient Jews, not Arab Muslims.

You moron. Abraham had an Arab wife named Keturah and Moses had an Arab wife named Zipporah.

 

[Roudy]

There was no such thing as a Palestine or Palestinian people

Arafat invented them.

You are just ignorant. Arafat didn't show up on the scene until the 1960s. Some Palestinians went to my Church in the 1950s and one of our houseboys was Palestinian.

I don’t care.

I know.. Theft and murder is acceptable to you as long as the European refugees get more land.

And the middle eastern refugees that comprise most of Israel's current population who were stripped of their belongings and told to "go back to where you came from" by the Arabs?

In true IslamoNazi form, apparently think there aren't enough Arab / Muslim countries and they don't have enough land they invaded and cinquered compared to the less than 1% of land that Israel sits on, which happens to be the religious, cultural and ancestral homeland of the Jews to begin with.

Of course.. There have always been more Arabs..

What sort of immigrants do you want to take over YOUR ancestral home at the point of a gun?

So let's give the one land that is Jewish and make it Arab / Muslim failed terrorist state number 40 just because you hate the Jews and infidels as much as they do. Ain't gonna happen.

People of the Book are not infidels. People who worship the God of Abraham are not infidels. Your problem is ignorance and a desire to justify erasing the Palestinians.

Islam considers all non Muslims to be infidels. That is a fact.

No one is trying to erase the Palestinians. All that we are saying is that these Arabs, who have only called themselves Palestinians since 1963-64, would never have called themselves this identity if it had not been for the Mandate for Palestine to re create the Jewish Nation on the Jewish Homeland.

The Palestinian Museum in Ramallah, which you did not say anything about, clearly only has Palestinian History going back to 1920, denoting that they are a new identity, nationality, a people who would have continued to be called Arab, or the clan each came from, to this day.

The Balfour Declaration happened. The Mandate for Palestine happened. The defeat of the Arab armies in 1948, 1967 and 1973 happened.


Do note, again, that today's Palestinians and their Palestinian Museum cannot connect at all......today's Arabs to the Arabs from 10,000 years ago, or from the time of Abraham, or even the time of the Romans.

No.. islam doesn't consider Jews, Christians infidels. They are people of the book.

They were called Palestinians in 1950.. The refugee camps in Lebanon were Palestinian. I know. I visted them as a little girl.

Both articles contradict your belief:

NU calls for end to word 'infidels' to describe non-Muslims - National - The Jakarta Post

As an alternative, Moqsith and other clerics agreed to use the word muwathinun (citizen), to demonstrate that Muslims and non-Muslims have equal status as citizens in a country.

www.thejakartapost.com

The world’s largest Islamic group wants Muslims to stop saying 'infidel' - The World from PRX

The timing of this anti-kafir push is hardly accidental. Indonesia's conservative Muslim clerics are gaining influence through social media with hard-line messages. Nahdlatul Ulama, or NU, with more than 90 million followers, wants to disseminate the “message of Islam as a source of universal love.”

www.pri.org

--------------------
They were called Palestinians only after the Mandate for Palestine.
ALL inhabitants in the Mandate for Palestine from 1920 on, were called Palestinians. Jews, Arabs, Bedouin, Druze, Greeks, etc

See the Ottoman Census of 1870.. or you can read the Palestinian documents at the Avalon Project, Yale. Its just the documents not commentary. Jews were a tiny minority compared to Muslims and Christians.

Or, you can go back further and read Ibn Battuta and Rabbi Benjamin of Tudela.

By the time of Christ most Jews lived outside of Palestine. There were large Jewish communities in Baghdad, Damascus, Allepo, Alexandria, Rome, Elephantine Island and all around the Med Sea. Palestine was pretty harsh, stony, arid and hardscrabble.

Ottoman's had the Jews as a majority in Jerusalem during the same time period. Duh

Probably not.. The Muslims Quarter in Jerusalem was the largest for 1300 years.

Most of Palestine's population, estimated to be around 200,000 in the early years of Ottoman rule, lived in villages. The largest cities were Gaza, Safad and Jerusalem, each with a population of around 5,000–6,000. Ottoman property administration consisted of a system of fiefs called timar and trusts called waqf.
History of Palestine - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine

Wrong again. Jews always maintained a presence throughout the millenia and in fact consisted of a majority in Jerusalem during the Ottoman era, since they invited the Jews suffering from persecution due to the crusaders and inquisitors to resettle back to what the Ottoman's clearly considered their homeland. Duh.

https://badil.org/phocadownload/Badil_docs/publications/Jerusalem1948-CHAP1.PDF

Statistics that record the residential area of the population in the different parts of the city were not taken at this period. However, it is known that at the beginning of the British Mandate, the area of the New City was four times greater than that of the Old City.54 Residents of the New City at the end of Ottoman rule, according to Ben-Ariehs estimates, were as follows: 2,000-2,400 Muslims, around 15% of the estimated 12,000 Muslim Jerusalemites55, and 29,000 of the total 45,000 Jews.56 Christians constituted 15% of the population in the New City (or approximately 5- 6,000 people).57 However, the city continued to grow as a residential area for Muslims, Christians and Jews witnessed by the 1922 Census where 30.3% of the Muslims were living outside of the walls.58

 

[surada]

There was no such thing as a Palestine or Palestinian people

Arafat invented them.

You are just ignorant. Arafat didn't show up on the scene until the 1960s. Some Palestinians went to my Church in the 1950s and one of our houseboys was Palestinian.

I don’t care.

I know.. Theft and murder is acceptable to you as long as the European refugees get more land.

And the middle eastern refugees that comprise most of Israel's current population who were stripped of their belongings and told to "go back to where you came from" by the Arabs?

In true IslamoNazi form, apparently think there aren't enough Arab / Muslim countries and they don't have enough land they invaded and cinquered compared to the less than 1% of land that Israel sits on, which happens to be the religious, cultural and ancestral homeland of the Jews to begin with.

Of course.. There have always been more Arabs..

What sort of immigrants do you want to take over YOUR ancestral home at the point of a gun?

So let's give the one land that is Jewish and make it Arab / Muslim failed terrorist state number 40 just because you hate the Jews and infidels as much as they do. Ain't gonna happen.

People of the Book are not infidels. People who worship the God of Abraham are not infidels. Your problem is ignorance and a desire to justify erasing the Palestinians.

Islam considers all non Muslims to be infidels. That is a fact.

No one is trying to erase the Palestinians. All that we are saying is that these Arabs, who have only called themselves Palestinians since 1963-64, would never have called themselves this identity if it had not been for the Mandate for Palestine to re create the Jewish Nation on the Jewish Homeland.

The Palestinian Museum in Ramallah, which you did not say anything about, clearly only has Palestinian History going back to 1920, denoting that they are a new identity, nationality, a people who would have continued to be called Arab, or the clan each came from, to this day.

The Balfour Declaration happened. The Mandate for Palestine happened. The defeat of the Arab armies in 1948, 1967 and 1973 happened.


Do note, again, that today's Palestinians and their Palestinian Museum cannot connect at all......today's Arabs to the Arabs from 10,000 years ago, or from the time of Abraham, or even the time of the Romans.

No.. islam doesn't consider Jews, Christians infidels. They are people of the book.

They were called Palestinians in 1950.. The refugee camps in Lebanon were Palestinian. I know. I visted them as a little girl.

Both articles contradict your belief:

NU calls for end to word 'infidels' to describe non-Muslims - National - The Jakarta Post

As an alternative, Moqsith and other clerics agreed to use the word muwathinun (citizen), to demonstrate that Muslims and non-Muslims have equal status as citizens in a country.

www.thejakartapost.com

The world’s largest Islamic group wants Muslims to stop saying 'infidel' - The World from PRX

The timing of this anti-kafir push is hardly accidental. Indonesia's conservative Muslim clerics are gaining influence through social media with hard-line messages. Nahdlatul Ulama, or NU, with more than 90 million followers, wants to disseminate the “message of Islam as a source of universal love.”

www.pri.org

--------------------
They were called Palestinians only after the Mandate for Palestine.
ALL inhabitants in the Mandate for Palestine from 1920 on, were called Palestinians. Jews, Arabs, Bedouin, Druze, Greeks, etc

See the Ottoman Census of 1870.. or you can read the Palestinian documents at the Avalon Project, Yale. Its just the documents not commentary. Jews were a tiny minority compared to Muslims and Christians.

Or, you can go back further and read Ibn Battuta and Rabbi Benjamin of Tudela.

By the time of Christ most Jews lived outside of Palestine. There were large Jewish communities in Baghdad, Damascus, Allepo, Alexandria, Rome, Elephantine Island and all around the Med Sea. Palestine was pretty harsh, stony, arid and hardscrabble.

Ottoman's had the Jews as a majority in Jerusalem during the same time period. Duh

Probably not.. The Muslims Quarter in Jerusalem was the largest for 1300 years.

Most of Palestine's population, estimated to be around 200,000 in the early years of Ottoman rule, lived in villages. The largest cities were Gaza, Safad and Jerusalem, each with a population of around 5,000–6,000. Ottoman property administration consisted of a system of fiefs called timar and trusts called waqf.
History of Palestine - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine

Wrong again. Jews always maintained a presence throughout the millenia and in fact consisted of a majority in Jerusalem during the Ottoman era, since they invited the Jews suffering from persecution due to the crusaders and inquisitors to resettle back to what the Ottoman's clearly considered their homeland. Duh.



Statistics that record the residential area of the population in the different parts of the city were not taken at this period. However, it is known that at the beginning of the British Mandate, the area of the New City was four times greater than that of the Old City.54 Residents of the New City at the end of Ottoman rule, according to Ben-Ariehs estimates, were as follows: 2,000-2,400 Muslims, around 15% of the estimated 12,000 Muslim Jerusalemites55, and 29,000 of the total 45,000 Jews.56 Christians constituted 15% of the population in the New City (or approximately 5- 6,000 people).57 However, the city continued to grow as a residential area for Muslims, Christians and Jews witnessed by the 1922 Census where 30.3% of the Muslims were living outside of the walls.58

The Muslim Quarter has always been the largest in Jerusalem.

Its pointless to try and erase the Arabs from Palestine. Sargon 2 settled 4 Arab tribes in Samaria in 700 BC.

 

[Mindful]

Its pointless to try and erase the Arabs from Palestine

I think you’ve got that wrong. It’s Jews that people want to erase.

 

[Sixties Fan]

There was no such thing as a Palestine or Palestinian people

Arafat invented them.

You are just ignorant. Arafat didn't show up on the scene until the 1960s. Some Palestinians went to my Church in the 1950s and one of our houseboys was Palestinian.

I don’t care.

I know.. Theft and murder is acceptable to you as long as the European refugees get more land.

And the middle eastern refugees that comprise most of Israel's current population who were stripped of their belongings and told to "go back to where you came from" by the Arabs?

In true IslamoNazi form, apparently think there aren't enough Arab / Muslim countries and they don't have enough land they invaded and cinquered compared to the less than 1% of land that Israel sits on, which happens to be the religious, cultural and ancestral homeland of the Jews to begin with.

Of course.. There have always been more Arabs..

What sort of immigrants do you want to take over YOUR ancestral home at the point of a gun?

So let's give the one land that is Jewish and make it Arab / Muslim failed terrorist state number 40 just because you hate the Jews and infidels as much as they do. Ain't gonna happen.

People of the Book are not infidels. People who worship the God of Abraham are not infidels. Your problem is ignorance and a desire to justify erasing the Palestinians.

Islam considers all non Muslims to be infidels. That is a fact.

No one is trying to erase the Palestinians. All that we are saying is that these Arabs, who have only called themselves Palestinians since 1963-64, would never have called themselves this identity if it had not been for the Mandate for Palestine to re create the Jewish Nation on the Jewish Homeland.

The Palestinian Museum in Ramallah, which you did not say anything about, clearly only has Palestinian History going back to 1920, denoting that they are a new identity, nationality, a people who would have continued to be called Arab, or the clan each came from, to this day.

The Balfour Declaration happened. The Mandate for Palestine happened. The defeat of the Arab armies in 1948, 1967 and 1973 happened.


Do note, again, that today's Palestinians and their Palestinian Museum cannot connect at all......today's Arabs to the Arabs from 10,000 years ago, or from the time of Abraham, or even the time of the Romans.

No.. islam doesn't consider Jews, Christians infidels. They are people of the book.

They were called Palestinians in 1950.. The refugee camps in Lebanon were Palestinian. I know. I visted them as a little girl.

Both articles contradict your belief:

NU calls for end to word 'infidels' to describe non-Muslims - National - The Jakarta Post

As an alternative, Moqsith and other clerics agreed to use the word muwathinun (citizen), to demonstrate that Muslims and non-Muslims have equal status as citizens in a country.

www.thejakartapost.com

The world’s largest Islamic group wants Muslims to stop saying 'infidel' - The World from PRX

The timing of this anti-kafir push is hardly accidental. Indonesia's conservative Muslim clerics are gaining influence through social media with hard-line messages. Nahdlatul Ulama, or NU, with more than 90 million followers, wants to disseminate the “message of Islam as a source of universal love.”

www.pri.org

--------------------
They were called Palestinians only after the Mandate for Palestine.
ALL inhabitants in the Mandate for Palestine from 1920 on, were called Palestinians. Jews, Arabs, Bedouin, Druze, Greeks, etc

See the Ottoman Census of 1870.. or you can read the Palestinian documents at the Avalon Project, Yale. Its just the documents not commentary. Jews were a tiny minority compared to Muslims and Christians.

Or, you can go back further and read Ibn Battuta and Rabbi Benjamin of Tudela.

By the time of Christ most Jews lived outside of Palestine. There were large Jewish communities in Baghdad, Damascus, Allepo, Alexandria, Rome, Elephantine Island and all around the Med Sea. Palestine was pretty harsh, stony, arid and hardscrabble.

Ottoman's had the Jews as a majority in Jerusalem during the same time period. Duh

Probably not.. The Muslims Quarter in Jerusalem was the largest for 1300 years.

Most of Palestine's population, estimated to be around 200,000 in the early years of Ottoman rule, lived in villages. The largest cities were Gaza, Safad and Jerusalem, each with a population of around 5,000–6,000. Ottoman property administration consisted of a system of fiefs called timar and trusts called waqf.
History of Palestine - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine

Wrong again. Jews always maintained a presence throughout the millenia and in fact consisted of a majority in Jerusalem during the Ottoman era, since they invited the Jews suffering from persecution due to the crusaders and inquisitors to resettle back to what the Ottoman's clearly considered their homeland. Duh.



Statistics that record the residential area of the population in the different parts of the city were not taken at this period. However, it is known that at the beginning of the British Mandate, the area of the New City was four times greater than that of the Old City.54 Residents of the New City at the end of Ottoman rule, according to Ben-Ariehs estimates, were as follows: 2,000-2,400 Muslims, around 15% of the estimated 12,000 Muslim Jerusalemites55, and 29,000 of the total 45,000 Jews.56 Christians constituted 15% of the population in the New City (or approximately 5- 6,000 people).57 However, the city continued to grow as a residential area for Muslims, Christians and Jews witnessed by the 1922 Census where 30.3% of the Muslims were living outside of the walls.58

The Muslim Quarter has always been the largest in Jerusalem.

Its pointless to try and erase the Arabs from Palestine. Sargon 2 settled 4 Arab tribes in Samaria in 700 BC.

Is there evidence that those tribes remained in Samaria? Could they have moved anywhere else?
Which tribes were they? Do they still identify themselves as being descendants from those tribes.

No one is trying to erase any Arab presence in the history of Canaan, as much as you keep repeating that sentence.

 

[Roudy]

When academics call Israel a "settler colonial" state, it is meant to isolate the Jewish state from the legitimate family of nations. Yet historically, colonies have related to a mother country. The Puritans saw themselves as English, Afrikaaners as Dutch, Muslim conquerors as Arabs. They spoke the mother country's language and attempted to transfer its culture to their new land.

The early, pre-state Zionists, however, sought to escape Europe, not to replicate it. They rejected Yiddish and adopted an old Middle East language - Hebrew - which they updated for modern purposes, while changing their German or Russian-sounding names.

Central to the Zionist enterprise was the conviction that they were returning home. No other transplanted society made such a claim. Jews had lived in the area continuously for thousands of years. The Hebrew language is Semitic, not Indo-European. Ancient Jewish artifacts could be found everywhere.

It is therefore more accurate to see Zionism as a form of nationalism - and Zionists as fulfilling a people's aspiration for self-determination in what they regard as their own land.

(full article online)

Is Israel really a settler colonial state? | Opinion | Opinion

***

www.haaretz.com

Of course its nationalism. Colonial settlers? Well, they don't allow Palestinians to return to their ancestral homes.

Palestinians can't go back to their ancestral homelands of Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia etc. because even the Arabs scoffed at the existence of a Palestinian when the idea came up. In fact calling an Arab Muslim was an insult pre 1948 before Arafat hijacked the name, because it referred to the Jews of the region. Your whole cause is a hoax.

The Palestinians were not from Saudi Arabia, Syria or Egypt. What on earth?

They are descended from the first century Jews who stayed behind.. That's why 90% of them share Jewish dna.

Islamonazi logic at its finest. Jews are the closest descendants of ancient Jews, not Arab Muslims.

You moron. Abraham had an Arab wife named Keturah and Moses had an Arab wife named Zipporah.

You're the delusional brainwashed ignoramus who proposes today's Arab Muslim invaders from neighboring Arab lands more related to the ancient Jews than the actual Jews of today that are still around.

FYI the ancient Jews never "became" anything, since the faith never spread through forced conversions after invasions, nor were they proselytizing, or spreading through marriage, as did Muslims and Christians. Jews had very strict rules as to who can and cannot be a Jew and kept to themselves for thousands of years. It is only in the 20th century that reform Jews (mainly in the US and Western nations) started accepting converts from other ethnicities and nationalities.

 

[surada]

There was no such thing as a Palestine or Palestinian people

Arafat invented them.

You are just ignorant. Arafat didn't show up on the scene until the 1960s. Some Palestinians went to my Church in the 1950s and one of our houseboys was Palestinian.

I don’t care.

I know.. Theft and murder is acceptable to you as long as the European refugees get more land.

And the middle eastern refugees that comprise most of Israel's current population who were stripped of their belongings and told to "go back to where you came from" by the Arabs?

In true IslamoNazi form, apparently think there aren't enough Arab / Muslim countries and they don't have enough land they invaded and cinquered compared to the less than 1% of land that Israel sits on, which happens to be the religious, cultural and ancestral homeland of the Jews to begin with.

Of course.. There have always been more Arabs..

What sort of immigrants do you want to take over YOUR ancestral home at the point of a gun?

So let's give the one land that is Jewish and make it Arab / Muslim failed terrorist state number 40 just because you hate the Jews and infidels as much as they do. Ain't gonna happen.

People of the Book are not infidels. People who worship the God of Abraham are not infidels. Your problem is ignorance and a desire to justify erasing the Palestinians.

Islam considers all non Muslims to be infidels. That is a fact.

No one is trying to erase the Palestinians. All that we are saying is that these Arabs, who have only called themselves Palestinians since 1963-64, would never have called themselves this identity if it had not been for the Mandate for Palestine to re create the Jewish Nation on the Jewish Homeland.

The Palestinian Museum in Ramallah, which you did not say anything about, clearly only has Palestinian History going back to 1920, denoting that they are a new identity, nationality, a people who would have continued to be called Arab, or the clan each came from, to this day.

The Balfour Declaration happened. The Mandate for Palestine happened. The defeat of the Arab armies in 1948, 1967 and 1973 happened.


Do note, again, that today's Palestinians and their Palestinian Museum cannot connect at all......today's Arabs to the Arabs from 10,000 years ago, or from the time of Abraham, or even the time of the Romans.

No.. islam doesn't consider Jews, Christians infidels. They are people of the book.

They were called Palestinians in 1950.. The refugee camps in Lebanon were Palestinian. I know. I visted them as a little girl.

Both articles contradict your belief:

NU calls for end to word 'infidels' to describe non-Muslims - National - The Jakarta Post

As an alternative, Moqsith and other clerics agreed to use the word muwathinun (citizen), to demonstrate that Muslims and non-Muslims have equal status as citizens in a country.

www.thejakartapost.com

The world’s largest Islamic group wants Muslims to stop saying 'infidel' - The World from PRX

The timing of this anti-kafir push is hardly accidental. Indonesia's conservative Muslim clerics are gaining influence through social media with hard-line messages. Nahdlatul Ulama, or NU, with more than 90 million followers, wants to disseminate the “message of Islam as a source of universal love.”

www.pri.org

--------------------
They were called Palestinians only after the Mandate for Palestine.
ALL inhabitants in the Mandate for Palestine from 1920 on, were called Palestinians. Jews, Arabs, Bedouin, Druze, Greeks, etc

See the Ottoman Census of 1870.. or you can read the Palestinian documents at the Avalon Project, Yale. Its just the documents not commentary. Jews were a tiny minority compared to Muslims and Christians.

Or, you can go back further and read Ibn Battuta and Rabbi Benjamin of Tudela.

By the time of Christ most Jews lived outside of Palestine. There were large Jewish communities in Baghdad, Damascus, Allepo, Alexandria, Rome, Elephantine Island and all around the Med Sea. Palestine was pretty harsh, stony, arid and hardscrabble.

Ottoman's had the Jews as a majority in Jerusalem during the same time period. Duh

Probably not.. The Muslims Quarter in Jerusalem was the largest for 1300 years.

Most of Palestine's population, estimated to be around 200,000 in the early years of Ottoman rule, lived in villages. The largest cities were Gaza, Safad and Jerusalem, each with a population of around 5,000–6,000. Ottoman property administration consisted of a system of fiefs called timar and trusts called waqf.
History of Palestine - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine

Wrong again. Jews always maintained a presence throughout the millenia and in fact consisted of a majority in Jerusalem during the Ottoman era, since they invited the Jews suffering from persecution due to the crusaders and inquisitors to resettle back to what the Ottoman's clearly considered their homeland. Duh.



Statistics that record the residential area of the population in the different parts of the city were not taken at this period. However, it is known that at the beginning of the British Mandate, the area of the New City was four times greater than that of the Old City.54 Residents of the New City at the end of Ottoman rule, according to Ben-Ariehs estimates, were as follows: 2,000-2,400 Muslims, around 15% of the estimated 12,000 Muslim Jerusalemites55, and 29,000 of the total 45,000 Jews.56 Christians constituted 15% of the population in the New City (or approximately 5- 6,000 people).57 However, the city continued to grow as a residential area for Muslims, Christians and Jews witnessed by the 1922 Census where 30.3% of the Muslims were living outside of the walls.58

The Muslim Quarter has always been the largest in Jerusalem.

Its pointless to try and erase the Arabs from Palestine. Sargon 2 settled 4 Arab tribes in Samaria in 700 BC.

Is there evidence that those tribes remained in Samaria? Could they have moved anywhere else?
Which tribes were they? Do they still identify themselves as being descendants from those tribes.

No one is trying to erase any Arab presence in the history of Canaan, as much as you keep repeating that sentence.

Already posted the names of the 4 tribes for you yesterday. The Jerusalemites despised the Samarians... considered them half breeds and bad Jews.. You should know that.

The evidence that Arabs have been in Palestine since the time of Abraham is overwhelming. .. just like Jews originating in Urfa near Haran, Do some homework and read up on the Ugarit texts from Ras Shamra. I have posted links for you several times.

 

[surada]

When academics call Israel a "settler colonial" state, it is meant to isolate the Jewish state from the legitimate family of nations. Yet historically, colonies have related to a mother country. The Puritans saw themselves as English, Afrikaaners as Dutch, Muslim conquerors as Arabs. They spoke the mother country's language and attempted to transfer its culture to their new land.

The early, pre-state Zionists, however, sought to escape Europe, not to replicate it. They rejected Yiddish and adopted an old Middle East language - Hebrew - which they updated for modern purposes, while changing their German or Russian-sounding names.

Central to the Zionist enterprise was the conviction that they were returning home. No other transplanted society made such a claim. Jews had lived in the area continuously for thousands of years. The Hebrew language is Semitic, not Indo-European. Ancient Jewish artifacts could be found everywhere.

It is therefore more accurate to see Zionism as a form of nationalism - and Zionists as fulfilling a people's aspiration for self-determination in what they regard as their own land.

(full article online)

Is Israel really a settler colonial state? | Opinion | Opinion

***

www.haaretz.com

Of course its nationalism. Colonial settlers? Well, they don't allow Palestinians to return to their ancestral homes.

Palestinians can't go back to their ancestral homelands of Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia etc. because even the Arabs scoffed at the existence of a Palestinian when the idea came up. In fact calling an Arab Muslim was an insult pre 1948 before Arafat hijacked the name, because it referred to the Jews of the region. Your whole cause is a hoax.

The Palestinians were not from Saudi Arabia, Syria or Egypt. What on earth?

They are descended from the first century Jews who stayed behind.. That's why 90% of them share Jewish dna.

Islamonazi logic at its finest. Jews are the closest descendants of ancient Jews, not Arab Muslims.

You moron. Abraham had an Arab wife named Keturah and Moses had an Arab wife named Zipporah.

You're the delusional brainwashed ignoramus who proposes today's Arab Muslim invaders from neighboring Arab lands more related to the ancient Jews than the actual Jews of today that are still around.

FYI the ancient Jews never "became" anything, since the faith never spread through forced conversions after invasions, nor were they proselytizing, or spreading through marriage, as did Muslims and Christians. Jews had very strict rules as to who can and cannot be a Jew and kept to themselves for thousands of years. It is only in the 20th century that reform Jews (mainly in the US and Western nations) started accepting converts from other ethnicities and nationalities.

You should probably read your Bible. They forced the conversion of the Edomites.

Hasmonean leader, John Hyracanus conquered the entire land of Edom “and undertook the forced conversion of its inhabitants to Judaism”.

 

[Sixties Fan]

When academics call Israel a "settler colonial" state, it is meant to isolate the Jewish state from the legitimate family of nations. Yet historically, colonies have related to a mother country. The Puritans saw themselves as English, Afrikaaners as Dutch, Muslim conquerors as Arabs. They spoke the mother country's language and attempted to transfer its culture to their new land.

The early, pre-state Zionists, however, sought to escape Europe, not to replicate it. They rejected Yiddish and adopted an old Middle East language - Hebrew - which they updated for modern purposes, while changing their German or Russian-sounding names.

Central to the Zionist enterprise was the conviction that they were returning home. No other transplanted society made such a claim. Jews had lived in the area continuously for thousands of years. The Hebrew language is Semitic, not Indo-European. Ancient Jewish artifacts could be found everywhere.

It is therefore more accurate to see Zionism as a form of nationalism - and Zionists as fulfilling a people's aspiration for self-determination in what they regard as their own land.

(full article online)

Is Israel really a settler colonial state? | Opinion | Opinion

***

www.haaretz.com

Of course its nationalism. Colonial settlers? Well, they don't allow Palestinians to return to their ancestral homes.

Palestinians can't go back to their ancestral homelands of Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia etc. because even the Arabs scoffed at the existence of a Palestinian when the idea came up. In fact calling an Arab Muslim was an insult pre 1948 before Arafat hijacked the name, because it referred to the Jews of the region. Your whole cause is a hoax.

The Palestinians were not from Saudi Arabia, Syria or Egypt. What on earth?

They are descended from the first century Jews who stayed behind.. That's why 90% of them share Jewish dna.

Islamonazi logic at its finest. Jews are the closest descendants of ancient Jews, not Arab Muslims.

You moron. Abraham had an Arab wife named Keturah and Moses had an Arab wife named Zipporah.

Keturah or Hagar, and Tziporah, that would be 2.....out of thousands, if they were Arabs and not Egyptians. It does not add much to the Jewish DNA. Hardly any.

The same goes to any person who eventually married into and converted to Judaism for the past 3800 years.

The Jewish DNA is the strong one amongst all the Jews, Ashkenazi, Sepharadi and Mizrahi.

Therefore the repetition that Palestinians are "90% " related to the Jewish People, is nothing but......what this thread deals with......

They use it as if they have the Right to Destroy Jewish History, by saying and repeating things that they know not to be true, or they would have been saying it from the creation of Islam.

How odd that it took ONLY 2400 years for an Arab named Mohammad to "discover" that he was "descended" from Ishmael and ONLY after he was educated about what the Hebrew Scriptures said.

Do remember that Mohammad was illiterate.

How odd that there there never was ANY oral history in his family passing on the genealogy of being descended from Abraham.

Curioser and Curioser.

Any way to Destroy Jewish History is welcome in Christian and Islamic arenas, since Israel declared Independence. And ONLY from that time.

How curious.

 

[Sixties Fan]

There was no such thing as a Palestine or Palestinian people

Arafat invented them.

You are just ignorant. Arafat didn't show up on the scene until the 1960s. Some Palestinians went to my Church in the 1950s and one of our houseboys was Palestinian.

I don’t care.

I know.. Theft and murder is acceptable to you as long as the European refugees get more land.

And the middle eastern refugees that comprise most of Israel's current population who were stripped of their belongings and told to "go back to where you came from" by the Arabs?

In true IslamoNazi form, apparently think there aren't enough Arab / Muslim countries and they don't have enough land they invaded and cinquered compared to the less than 1% of land that Israel sits on, which happens to be the religious, cultural and ancestral homeland of the Jews to begin with.

Of course.. There have always been more Arabs..

What sort of immigrants do you want to take over YOUR ancestral home at the point of a gun?

So let's give the one land that is Jewish and make it Arab / Muslim failed terrorist state number 40 just because you hate the Jews and infidels as much as they do. Ain't gonna happen.

People of the Book are not infidels. People who worship the God of Abraham are not infidels. Your problem is ignorance and a desire to justify erasing the Palestinians.

Islam considers all non Muslims to be infidels. That is a fact.

No one is trying to erase the Palestinians. All that we are saying is that these Arabs, who have only called themselves Palestinians since 1963-64, would never have called themselves this identity if it had not been for the Mandate for Palestine to re create the Jewish Nation on the Jewish Homeland.

The Palestinian Museum in Ramallah, which you did not say anything about, clearly only has Palestinian History going back to 1920, denoting that they are a new identity, nationality, a people who would have continued to be called Arab, or the clan each came from, to this day.

The Balfour Declaration happened. The Mandate for Palestine happened. The defeat of the Arab armies in 1948, 1967 and 1973 happened.


Do note, again, that today's Palestinians and their Palestinian Museum cannot connect at all......today's Arabs to the Arabs from 10,000 years ago, or from the time of Abraham, or even the time of the Romans.

No.. islam doesn't consider Jews, Christians infidels. They are people of the book.

They were called Palestinians in 1950.. The refugee camps in Lebanon were Palestinian. I know. I visted them as a little girl.

Both articles contradict your belief:

NU calls for end to word 'infidels' to describe non-Muslims - National - The Jakarta Post

As an alternative, Moqsith and other clerics agreed to use the word muwathinun (citizen), to demonstrate that Muslims and non-Muslims have equal status as citizens in a country.

www.thejakartapost.com

The world’s largest Islamic group wants Muslims to stop saying 'infidel' - The World from PRX

The timing of this anti-kafir push is hardly accidental. Indonesia's conservative Muslim clerics are gaining influence through social media with hard-line messages. Nahdlatul Ulama, or NU, with more than 90 million followers, wants to disseminate the “message of Islam as a source of universal love.”

www.pri.org

--------------------
They were called Palestinians only after the Mandate for Palestine.
ALL inhabitants in the Mandate for Palestine from 1920 on, were called Palestinians. Jews, Arabs, Bedouin, Druze, Greeks, etc

See the Ottoman Census of 1870.. or you can read the Palestinian documents at the Avalon Project, Yale. Its just the documents not commentary. Jews were a tiny minority compared to Muslims and Christians.

Or, you can go back further and read Ibn Battuta and Rabbi Benjamin of Tudela.

By the time of Christ most Jews lived outside of Palestine. There were large Jewish communities in Baghdad, Damascus, Allepo, Alexandria, Rome, Elephantine Island and all around the Med Sea. Palestine was pretty harsh, stony, arid and hardscrabble.

Ottoman's had the Jews as a majority in Jerusalem during the same time period. Duh

Probably not.. The Muslims Quarter in Jerusalem was the largest for 1300 years.

Most of Palestine's population, estimated to be around 200,000 in the early years of Ottoman rule, lived in villages. The largest cities were Gaza, Safad and Jerusalem, each with a population of around 5,000–6,000. Ottoman property administration consisted of a system of fiefs called timar and trusts called waqf.
History of Palestine - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine

Wrong again. Jews always maintained a presence throughout the millenia and in fact consisted of a majority in Jerusalem during the Ottoman era, since they invited the Jews suffering from persecution due to the crusaders and inquisitors to resettle back to what the Ottoman's clearly considered their homeland. Duh.



Statistics that record the residential area of the population in the different parts of the city were not taken at this period. However, it is known that at the beginning of the British Mandate, the area of the New City was four times greater than that of the Old City.54 Residents of the New City at the end of Ottoman rule, according to Ben-Ariehs estimates, were as follows: 2,000-2,400 Muslims, around 15% of the estimated 12,000 Muslim Jerusalemites55, and 29,000 of the total 45,000 Jews.56 Christians constituted 15% of the population in the New City (or approximately 5- 6,000 people).57 However, the city continued to grow as a residential area for Muslims, Christians and Jews witnessed by the 1922 Census where 30.3% of the Muslims were living outside of the walls.58

The Muslim Quarter has always been the largest in Jerusalem.

Its pointless to try and erase the Arabs from Palestine. Sargon 2 settled 4 Arab tribes in Samaria in 700 BC.

Is there evidence that those tribes remained in Samaria? Could they have moved anywhere else?
Which tribes were they? Do they still identify themselves as being descendants from those tribes.

No one is trying to erase any Arab presence in the history of Canaan, as much as you keep repeating that sentence.

Already posted the names of the 4 tribes for you yesterday. The Jerusalemites despised the Samarians... considered them half breeds and bad Jews.. You should know that.

The evidence that Arabs have been in Palestine since the time of Abraham is overwhelming. .. just like Jews originating in Urfa near Haran, Do some homework and read up on the Ugarit texts from Ras Shamra. I have posted links for you several times.

Are we discussing this on this thread instead of the other one I started for this purpose?

 

[Roudy]

When academics call Israel a "settler colonial" state, it is meant to isolate the Jewish state from the legitimate family of nations. Yet historically, colonies have related to a mother country. The Puritans saw themselves as English, Afrikaaners as Dutch, Muslim conquerors as Arabs. They spoke the mother country's language and attempted to transfer its culture to their new land.

The early, pre-state Zionists, however, sought to escape Europe, not to replicate it. They rejected Yiddish and adopted an old Middle East language - Hebrew - which they updated for modern purposes, while changing their German or Russian-sounding names.

Central to the Zionist enterprise was the conviction that they were returning home. No other transplanted society made such a claim. Jews had lived in the area continuously for thousands of years. The Hebrew language is Semitic, not Indo-European. Ancient Jewish artifacts could be found everywhere.

It is therefore more accurate to see Zionism as a form of nationalism - and Zionists as fulfilling a people's aspiration for self-determination in what they regard as their own land.

(full article online)

Is Israel really a settler colonial state? | Opinion | Opinion

***

www.haaretz.com

Of course its nationalism. Colonial settlers? Well, they don't allow Palestinians to return to their ancestral homes.

Palestinians can't go back to their ancestral homelands of Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia etc. because even the Arabs scoffed at the existence of a Palestinian when the idea came up. In fact calling an Arab Muslim was an insult pre 1948 before Arafat hijacked the name, because it referred to the Jews of the region. Your whole cause is a hoax.

The Palestinians were not from Saudi Arabia, Syria or Egypt. What on earth?

They are descended from the first century Jews who stayed behind.. That's why 90% of them share Jewish dna.

Islamonazi logic at its finest. Jews are the closest descendants of ancient Jews, not Arab Muslims.

You moron. Abraham had an Arab wife named Keturah and Moses had an Arab wife named Zipporah.

Well if you're going by what the real story is, Abraham had a son from Sara's handmaiden named Ishmael (or Esmael as you Muslims call him), that God called a violent unruly wild ass who's decendants will be at war with everbody, and commanded Abraham to kick him out of his house after Issac was born, to which God's promise of Israel and the Covenant went to.

You guys never mention that because it is the same foresaken Ishmael that Mohammad decided he is a decendant of. Seems like advanced DNA testing going back thousands of years existed among the moon worshipping tribes of 14th century Saudi Arabia.

 

[Roudy]

When academics call Israel a "settler colonial" state, it is meant to isolate the Jewish state from the legitimate family of nations. Yet historically, colonies have related to a mother country. The Puritans saw themselves as English, Afrikaaners as Dutch, Muslim conquerors as Arabs. They spoke the mother country's language and attempted to transfer its culture to their new land.

The early, pre-state Zionists, however, sought to escape Europe, not to replicate it. They rejected Yiddish and adopted an old Middle East language - Hebrew - which they updated for modern purposes, while changing their German or Russian-sounding names.

Central to the Zionist enterprise was the conviction that they were returning home. No other transplanted society made such a claim. Jews had lived in the area continuously for thousands of years. The Hebrew language is Semitic, not Indo-European. Ancient Jewish artifacts could be found everywhere.

It is therefore more accurate to see Zionism as a form of nationalism - and Zionists as fulfilling a people's aspiration for self-determination in what they regard as their own land.

(full article online)

Is Israel really a settler colonial state? | Opinion | Opinion

***

www.haaretz.com

Of course its nationalism. Colonial settlers? Well, they don't allow Palestinians to return to their ancestral homes.

Palestinians can't go back to their ancestral homelands of Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia etc. because even the Arabs scoffed at the existence of a Palestinian when the idea came up. In fact calling an Arab Muslim was an insult pre 1948 before Arafat hijacked the name, because it referred to the Jews of the region. Your whole cause is a hoax.

The Palestinians were not from Saudi Arabia, Syria or Egypt. What on earth?

They are descended from the first century Jews who stayed behind.. That's why 90% of them share Jewish dna.

Islamonazi logic at its finest. Jews are the closest descendants of ancient Jews, not Arab Muslims.

You moron. Abraham had an Arab wife named Keturah and Moses had an Arab wife named Zipporah.

Keturah or Hagar, and Tziporah, that would be 2.....out of thousands, if they were Arabs and not Egyptians. It does not add much to the Jewish DNA. Hardly any.

The same goes to any person who eventually married into and converted to Judaism for the past 3800 years.

The Jewish DNA is the strong one amongst all the Jews, Ashkenazi, Sepharadi and Mizrahi.

Therefore the repetition that Palestinians are "90% " related to the Jewish People, is nothing but......what this thread deals with......

They use it as if they have the Right to Destroy Jewish History, by saying and repeating things that they know not to be true, or they would have been saying it from the creation of Islam.

How odd that it took ONLY 2400 years for an Arab named Mohammad to "discover" that he was "descended" from Ishmael and ONLY after he was educated about what the Hebrew Scriptures said.

Do remember that Mohammad was illiterate.

How odd that there there never was ANY oral history in his family passing on the genealogy of being descended from Abraham.

Curioser and Curioser.

Any way to Destroy Jewish History is welcome in Christian and Islamic arenas, since Israel declared Independence. And ONLY from that time.

How curious.

Somehow the warrior prophet was able to determine that he's a direct decendant of Ismaeel going back thousands of years. In other words he tied himself directly to the person that God called a "wild ass" and commanded Abraham to kick out of his house. The guy was a fookin' genius. If there were any Darwin Awards back then he for sure would had gotten one.

 

[Roudy]

When academics call Israel a "settler colonial" state, it is meant to isolate the Jewish state from the legitimate family of nations. Yet historically, colonies have related to a mother country. The Puritans saw themselves as English, Afrikaaners as Dutch, Muslim conquerors as Arabs. They spoke the mother country's language and attempted to transfer its culture to their new land.

The early, pre-state Zionists, however, sought to escape Europe, not to replicate it. They rejected Yiddish and adopted an old Middle East language - Hebrew - which they updated for modern purposes, while changing their German or Russian-sounding names.

Central to the Zionist enterprise was the conviction that they were returning home. No other transplanted society made such a claim. Jews had lived in the area continuously for thousands of years. The Hebrew language is Semitic, not Indo-European. Ancient Jewish artifacts could be found everywhere.

It is therefore more accurate to see Zionism as a form of nationalism - and Zionists as fulfilling a people's aspiration for self-determination in what they regard as their own land.

(full article online)

Is Israel really a settler colonial state? | Opinion | Opinion

***

www.haaretz.com

Of course its nationalism. Colonial settlers? Well, they don't allow Palestinians to return to their ancestral homes.

Palestinians can't go back to their ancestral homelands of Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia etc. because even the Arabs scoffed at the existence of a Palestinian when the idea came up. In fact calling an Arab Muslim was an insult pre 1948 before Arafat hijacked the name, because it referred to the Jews of the region. Your whole cause is a hoax.

The Palestinians were not from Saudi Arabia, Syria or Egypt. What on earth?

They are descended from the first century Jews who stayed behind.. That's why 90% of them share Jewish dna.

Islamonazi logic at its finest. Jews are the closest descendants of ancient Jews, not Arab Muslims.

You moron. Abraham had an Arab wife named Keturah and Moses had an Arab wife named Zipporah.

You're the delusional brainwashed ignoramus who proposes today's Arab Muslim invaders from neighboring Arab lands more related to the ancient Jews than the actual Jews of today that are still around.

FYI the ancient Jews never "became" anything, since the faith never spread through forced conversions after invasions, nor were they proselytizing, or spreading through marriage, as did Muslims and Christians. Jews had very strict rules as to who can and cannot be a Jew and kept to themselves for thousands of years. It is only in the 20th century that reform Jews (mainly in the US and Western nations) started accepting converts from other ethnicities and nationalities.

You should probably read your Bible. They forced the conversion of the Edomites.

Hasmonean leader, John Hyracanus conquered the entire land of Edom “and undertook the forced conversion of its inhabitants to Judaism”.

The Old Testament which precedes both the New and the Koran clearly says that Ishmael was thrown out of Abrahams house, and God literally calls him a wild ass due to his unruly violent behavior.

Jews never intermarried nor did they ever accept someone who's mother isn't a Jew to be a Jew. This idea that Muslim Arabs are more Jewish than 16 million of today's Jews that are alive and around today, especially the ones from middle eastern countries who are direct decendants of the ones that escaped the destruction of the first and second temples and comprise a majority of Israel's population today is yet another attempt by IslamoNazis to destroy Jewish history and identity.

 

[Roudy]

There was no such thing as a Palestine or Palestinian people

Arafat invented them.

You are just ignorant. Arafat didn't show up on the scene until the 1960s. Some Palestinians went to my Church in the 1950s and one of our houseboys was Palestinian.

I don’t care.

I know.. Theft and murder is acceptable to you as long as the European refugees get more land.

And the middle eastern refugees that comprise most of Israel's current population who were stripped of their belongings and told to "go back to where you came from" by the Arabs?

In true IslamoNazi form, apparently think there aren't enough Arab / Muslim countries and they don't have enough land they invaded and cinquered compared to the less than 1% of land that Israel sits on, which happens to be the religious, cultural and ancestral homeland of the Jews to begin with.

Of course.. There have always been more Arabs..

What sort of immigrants do you want to take over YOUR ancestral home at the point of a gun?

So let's give the one land that is Jewish and make it Arab / Muslim failed terrorist state number 40 just because you hate the Jews and infidels as much as they do. Ain't gonna happen.

People of the Book are not infidels. People who worship the God of Abraham are not infidels. Your problem is ignorance and a desire to justify erasing the Palestinians.

Islam considers all non Muslims to be infidels. That is a fact.

No one is trying to erase the Palestinians. All that we are saying is that these Arabs, who have only called themselves Palestinians since 1963-64, would never have called themselves this identity if it had not been for the Mandate for Palestine to re create the Jewish Nation on the Jewish Homeland.

The Palestinian Museum in Ramallah, which you did not say anything about, clearly only has Palestinian History going back to 1920, denoting that they are a new identity, nationality, a people who would have continued to be called Arab, or the clan each came from, to this day.

The Balfour Declaration happened. The Mandate for Palestine happened. The defeat of the Arab armies in 1948, 1967 and 1973 happened.


Do note, again, that today's Palestinians and their Palestinian Museum cannot connect at all......today's Arabs to the Arabs from 10,000 years ago, or from the time of Abraham, or even the time of the Romans.

No.. islam doesn't consider Jews, Christians infidels. They are people of the book.

They were called Palestinians in 1950.. The refugee camps in Lebanon were Palestinian. I know. I visted them as a little girl.

Both articles contradict your belief:

NU calls for end to word 'infidels' to describe non-Muslims - National - The Jakarta Post

As an alternative, Moqsith and other clerics agreed to use the word muwathinun (citizen), to demonstrate that Muslims and non-Muslims have equal status as citizens in a country.

www.thejakartapost.com

The world’s largest Islamic group wants Muslims to stop saying 'infidel' - The World from PRX

The timing of this anti-kafir push is hardly accidental. Indonesia's conservative Muslim clerics are gaining influence through social media with hard-line messages. Nahdlatul Ulama, or NU, with more than 90 million followers, wants to disseminate the “message of Islam as a source of universal love.”

www.pri.org

--------------------
They were called Palestinians only after the Mandate for Palestine.
ALL inhabitants in the Mandate for Palestine from 1920 on, were called Palestinians. Jews, Arabs, Bedouin, Druze, Greeks, etc

See the Ottoman Census of 1870.. or you can read the Palestinian documents at the Avalon Project, Yale. Its just the documents not commentary. Jews were a tiny minority compared to Muslims and Christians.

Or, you can go back further and read Ibn Battuta and Rabbi Benjamin of Tudela.

By the time of Christ most Jews lived outside of Palestine. There were large Jewish communities in Baghdad, Damascus, Allepo, Alexandria, Rome, Elephantine Island and all around the Med Sea. Palestine was pretty harsh, stony, arid and hardscrabble.

Ottoman's had the Jews as a majority in Jerusalem during the same time period. Duh

Probably not.. The Muslims Quarter in Jerusalem was the largest for 1300 years.

Most of Palestine's population, estimated to be around 200,000 in the early years of Ottoman rule, lived in villages. The largest cities were Gaza, Safad and Jerusalem, each with a population of around 5,000–6,000. Ottoman property administration consisted of a system of fiefs called timar and trusts called waqf.
History of Palestine - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine

Wrong again. Jews always maintained a presence throughout the millenia and in fact consisted of a majority in Jerusalem during the Ottoman era, since they invited the Jews suffering from persecution due to the crusaders and inquisitors to resettle back to what the Ottoman's clearly considered their homeland. Duh.



Statistics that record the residential area of the population in the different parts of the city were not taken at this period. However, it is known that at the beginning of the British Mandate, the area of the New City was four times greater than that of the Old City.54 Residents of the New City at the end of Ottoman rule, according to Ben-Ariehs estimates, were as follows: 2,000-2,400 Muslims, around 15% of the estimated 12,000 Muslim Jerusalemites55, and 29,000 of the total 45,000 Jews.56 Christians constituted 15% of the population in the New City (or approximately 5- 6,000 people).57 However, the city continued to grow as a residential area for Muslims, Christians and Jews witnessed by the 1922 Census where 30.3% of the Muslims were living outside of the walls.58

The Muslim Quarter has always been the largest in Jerusalem.

Its pointless to try and erase the Arabs from Palestine. Sargon 2 settled 4 Arab tribes in Samaria in 700 BC.

Is there evidence that those tribes remained in Samaria? Could they have moved anywhere else?
Which tribes were they? Do they still identify themselves as being descendants from those tribes.

No one is trying to erase any Arab presence in the history of Canaan, as much as you keep repeating that sentence.

Already posted the names of the 4 tribes for you yesterday. The Jerusalemites despised the Samarians... considered them half breeds and bad Jews.. You should know that.

The evidence that Arabs have been in Palestine since the time of Abraham is overwhelming. .. just like Jews originating in Urfa near Haran, Do some homework and read up on the Ugarit texts from Ras Shamra. I have posted links for you several times.

Here's the "evidence" of Arab presence, Arabs are invaders that's how Islam was spread.

https://badil.org/phocadownload/Badil_docs/publications/Jerusalem1948-CHAP1.PDF

Statistics that record the residential area of the population in the different parts of the city were not taken at this period. However, it is known that at the beginning of the British Mandate, the area of the New City was four times greater than that of the Old City.54 Residents of the New City at the end of Ottoman rule, according to Ben-Ariehs estimates, were as follows: 2,000-2,400 Muslims, around 15% of the estimated 12,000 Muslim Jerusalemites55, and 29,000 of the total 45,000 Jews.56 Christians constituted 15% of the population in the New City (or approximately 5- 6,000 people).57 However, the city continued to grow as a residential area for Muslims, Christians and Jews witnessed by the 1922 Census where 30.3% of the Muslims were living outside of the walls.58

 

[Roudy]

There was no such thing as a Palestine or Palestinian people

Arafat invented them.

You are just ignorant. Arafat didn't show up on the scene until the 1960s. Some Palestinians went to my Church in the 1950s and one of our houseboys was Palestinian.

I don’t care.

I know.. Theft and murder is acceptable to you as long as the European refugees get more land.

And the middle eastern refugees that comprise most of Israel's current population who were stripped of their belongings and told to "go back to where you came from" by the Arabs?

In true IslamoNazi form, apparently think there aren't enough Arab / Muslim countries and they don't have enough land they invaded and cinquered compared to the less than 1% of land that Israel sits on, which happens to be the religious, cultural and ancestral homeland of the Jews to begin with.

Of course.. There have always been more Arabs..

What sort of immigrants do you want to take over YOUR ancestral home at the point of a gun?

So let's give the one land that is Jewish and make it Arab / Muslim failed terrorist state number 40 just because you hate the Jews and infidels as much as they do. Ain't gonna happen.

People of the Book are not infidels. People who worship the God of Abraham are not infidels. Your problem is ignorance and a desire to justify erasing the Palestinians.

Islam considers all non Muslims to be infidels. That is a fact.

No one is trying to erase the Palestinians. All that we are saying is that these Arabs, who have only called themselves Palestinians since 1963-64, would never have called themselves this identity if it had not been for the Mandate for Palestine to re create the Jewish Nation on the Jewish Homeland.

The Palestinian Museum in Ramallah, which you did not say anything about, clearly only has Palestinian History going back to 1920, denoting that they are a new identity, nationality, a people who would have continued to be called Arab, or the clan each came from, to this day.

The Balfour Declaration happened. The Mandate for Palestine happened. The defeat of the Arab armies in 1948, 1967 and 1973 happened.


Do note, again, that today's Palestinians and their Palestinian Museum cannot connect at all......today's Arabs to the Arabs from 10,000 years ago, or from the time of Abraham, or even the time of the Romans.

No.. islam doesn't consider Jews, Christians infidels. They are people of the book.

They were called Palestinians in 1950.. The refugee camps in Lebanon were Palestinian. I know. I visted them as a little girl.

Both articles contradict your belief:

NU calls for end to word 'infidels' to describe non-Muslims - National - The Jakarta Post

As an alternative, Moqsith and other clerics agreed to use the word muwathinun (citizen), to demonstrate that Muslims and non-Muslims have equal status as citizens in a country.

www.thejakartapost.com

The world’s largest Islamic group wants Muslims to stop saying 'infidel' - The World from PRX

The timing of this anti-kafir push is hardly accidental. Indonesia's conservative Muslim clerics are gaining influence through social media with hard-line messages. Nahdlatul Ulama, or NU, with more than 90 million followers, wants to disseminate the “message of Islam as a source of universal love.”

www.pri.org

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They were called Palestinians only after the Mandate for Palestine.
ALL inhabitants in the Mandate for Palestine from 1920 on, were called Palestinians. Jews, Arabs, Bedouin, Druze, Greeks, etc

See the Ottoman Census of 1870.. or you can read the Palestinian documents at the Avalon Project, Yale. Its just the documents not commentary. Jews were a tiny minority compared to Muslims and Christians.

Or, you can go back further and read Ibn Battuta and Rabbi Benjamin of Tudela.

By the time of Christ most Jews lived outside of Palestine. There were large Jewish communities in Baghdad, Damascus, Allepo, Alexandria, Rome, Elephantine Island and all around the Med Sea. Palestine was pretty harsh, stony, arid and hardscrabble.

Ottoman's had the Jews as a majority in Jerusalem during the same time period. Duh

Probably not.. The Muslims Quarter in Jerusalem was the largest for 1300 years.

Most of Palestine's population, estimated to be around 200,000 in the early years of Ottoman rule, lived in villages. The largest cities were Gaza, Safad and Jerusalem, each with a population of around 5,000–6,000. Ottoman property administration consisted of a system of fiefs called timar and trusts called waqf.
History of Palestine - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine

Wrong again. Jews always maintained a presence throughout the millenia and in fact consisted of a majority in Jerusalem during the Ottoman era, since they invited the Jews suffering from persecution due to the crusaders and inquisitors to resettle back to what the Ottoman's clearly considered their homeland. Duh.



Statistics that record the residential area of the population in the different parts of the city were not taken at this period. However, it is known that at the beginning of the British Mandate, the area of the New City was four times greater than that of the Old City.54 Residents of the New City at the end of Ottoman rule, according to Ben-Ariehs estimates, were as follows: 2,000-2,400 Muslims, around 15% of the estimated 12,000 Muslim Jerusalemites55, and 29,000 of the total 45,000 Jews.56 Christians constituted 15% of the population in the New City (or approximately 5- 6,000 people).57 However, the city continued to grow as a residential area for Muslims, Christians and Jews witnessed by the 1922 Census where 30.3% of the Muslims were living outside of the walls.58

The Muslim Quarter has always been the largest in Jerusalem.

Its pointless to try and erase the Arabs from Palestine. Sargon 2 settled 4 Arab tribes in Samaria in 700 BC.

Is there evidence that those tribes remained in Samaria? Could they have moved anywhere else?
Which tribes were they? Do they still identify themselves as being descendants from those tribes.

No one is trying to erase any Arab presence in the history of Canaan, as much as you keep repeating that sentence.

Already posted the names of the 4 tribes for you yesterday. The Jerusalemites despised the Samarians... considered them half breeds and bad Jews.. You should know that.

The evidence that Arabs have been in Palestine since the time of Abraham is overwhelming. .. just like Jews originating in Urfa near Haran, Do some homework and read up on the Ugarit texts from Ras Shamra. I have posted links for you several times.

Here's the "evidence" of Arab presence, Arabs are invaders that's how Islam was spread.

https://badil.org/phocadownload/Badil_docs/publications/Jerusalem1948-CHAP1.PDF

Statistics that record the residential area of the population in the different parts of the city were not taken at this period. However, it is known that at the beginning of the British Mandate, the area of the New City was four times greater than that of the Old City.54 Residents of the New City at the end of Ottoman rule, according to Ben-Ariehs estimates, were as follows: 2,000-2,400 Muslims, around 15% of the estimated 12,000 Muslim Jerusalemites55, and 29,000 of the total 45,000 Jews.56 Christians constituted 15% of the population in the New City (or approximately 5- 6,000 people).57 However, the city continued to grow as a residential area for Muslims, Christians and Jews witnessed by the 1922 Census where 30.3% of the Muslims were living outside of the walls.58

A publication on education in greater Syria from 1882 showed that there were a total of 3,854 students in school in Jerusalem (2,768 boys and 1,086 girls) and 235 teachers.28 The number of girls in Christian schools (Evangelical, Greek Orthodox, Latin, Greek Catholic, and Armenian) were slightly more than the number of boys (926 girls to 861 boys). While the majority of these students were Christians,
four of the Evangelical schools (two for boys and two for girls) totaling 138 students exclusively taught Jews. In addition, there were 1,707 students in Jewish schools, 160 of which were girls. In the eight Muslim schools, all of which were for boys, there were 360 students. In 1891, the Government opened a general [secondary] school (Rushdiya) [sic] in our city, where all the children of the city, regardless of their religion, could attend classes in Arabic, Turkish, French, and the basic sciences.29 It was also recorded that a Muslim school for girls had been established.30