The two ends of the political spectrum are killing us

[Mac1958]

What’s the matter, Mac? Starting to realize that the side that pushes transgender surgeries for minors is absolutely evil?

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I'll let you folks spray the word "evil" around like water.

 

[Mac1958]

Mac: why don't you spell out, succinctly, your own political beliefs? Here are some key topics that divide Left and Right today:

Free speech.
Introducing young children to, let us say, 'alternative sexualities'.
Teaching American History.

I won't try to summarize the current Left/Right differences on these issues. It would be interesting to hear what you think.

We rightwingers may be evil, but some of us are smart, and know how to seek out allies for single issues where we agree. And of course the same goes in reverse/symmetry for your side.

Thanks for asking. Most people just make ignorant assumptions.

Free speech:
Damn close to a purist. I'll certainly bend on things like screaming FIRE in a crowded theater, BOMB in an airport, or direct violent threats. Not much else. So, I'm against conservative voices being cancelled on college campuses, and I'm against a bakery owner being punished for refusing to bake a freaking cake.

Young children and "alternative sexualities"
Absolutely not, unless it's within the confines of psychological help. 18 and over, freedom of speech.

Teaching American History
Required. If both ends of the spectrum are worried about what's being taught or ignored, then they need to work together and agree on the basics. I wish they would do that anyway so that we could all be on the same page.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Why should I have to start an entirely different thread? You made an interesting comment, and all I am doing is telling you that the open mindedness you call for, is here...Could it be that you really don't want to discuss what you post about?

Nope. I don't want this thread derailed.

If you're serious about this, start a thread on a topic that is important to you. Invite me, and I'll contribute. Pretty easy.

You're either serious, or you're not.

j-mac Mac1958 is a very predictable, very typical leftist and anyone paying attention sees right past the silly cover he tries to disguise himself with. I never see conservatives retreat from rational debate, particularly when they start a thread to encourage one…You know Mac is beat when he stops replying like an adult and serves you a silly adolescent emoji.

Mac, here’s another for you….I’ll say what you’re saying without saying it.
”I invite and encourage dissent as long as the participants allow me to steer the tone, context and direction of said dissent.”

 

[Orangecat]

[ Quillette ] They're our allies.

Thank you.

 

[BackAgain]

Political overcompensation is the new Great American Pastime.

A few years ago, some of us were warning the Left: You're going too far with Political Correctness and Identity Politics. You're going too far screaming RACIST at every last fucking thing that moves. You're going too far lowering standards and expectations for people based solely on their skin color. You're going too far in normalizing sexual disorders such as gender dysphoria. You're going too far in putting your agenda in schools. You're going too far in disallowing conservative voices on college campuses. And most of all, you're going too far in attacking, intimidating and penalizing people in everyday life for saying things you don't like.

There's going to be pushback, we said. You're overcompensating, we said. This stuff is not right, we said. I only said that a few thousand times here, to be met with attacks from the Left. (By the way, a zillion examples of that available upon request via the search function)

So now we see the pushback, with this Neanderthal, middle school bully-approach to the culture from the Right. This is the pushback we warned about -- although, admittedly, even worse than I imagined. And this sucker has legs, just like your weaponized PC and Identity Politics did. They're making laws and attacking and intimidating. Gee, what a coincidence. What Deja Vu we're seeing, huh? Go figure!

And most amazing of all, this pushback included the election of a petulant child, an obvious con man, an orange buffoon, in 2016, and all the fucking unbelievable madness that has followed.

No doubt there will be pushback to this, too. Back and forth. Back and forth. More and more damage.

Ideological politics poisons everything it touches. Now it's putting this country at risk of falling apart. Great job, gang. You're BOTH so much like those you hate, and you just won't stop.

Young Republicans Are Begging Party Elders To Stop Saying 'Woke'

The next generation of conservatives support their party's culture wars. But they hate the way they describe them

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It is necessary to correct the leftward tilt of our governance. And that tilt is becoming almost impossible to correct.

So, don’t suggest that the “right” side should become more “moderate” after you leftists have secured that tilt to the system. When the system is returned to a proper even field, maybe then your concerns can be properly considered.

 

[Mac1958]

rational debate

If you're ever capable of it, we'll engage in it.

Right now, you clearly are not.

 

[Mac1958]

you leftists

 

[BackAgain]

 

[BrokeLoser]

If you're ever capable of it, we'll engage in it.

Right now, you clearly are not.

Certainly not with you….you made it clear to j-mac , you are open to debate as long as the debate follows your predetermined path.

 

[Orangecat]

Until people are willing to vote for 3rd party candidates with real solutions we are stuck with a dysfunctional government.

Any time men are given control over vast amounts of unearned money, the result will be corruption and tyranny. We will be stuck with dysfunctional government until the day we diminish its size and scope to a minimal level for necessary basic societal functions: courts, military protection, and international relations.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Again, a childish emoji from Mac1958 is always a sign of- “you got me, I have no logical refutation.”

 

[BrokeLoser]

Any time men are given control over vast amounts of unearned money, the result will be corruption and tyranny. We will be stuck with dysfunctional government until the day we diminish its size and scope to a minimal level for basic societal functions: courts, military protection, and international relations.

That won’t ever happen….Democrats have cultivated a new American, one who truly believes they NEED Father Government, one with disdain for our Constitution, founding values and principles.
They have ‘made’ too many like Mac1958

 

[Mac1958]

That won’t ever happen….Democrats have cultivated a new American, one who truly believes they NEED Father Government, one with disdain for our Constitution, founding values and principles.
They have ‘made’ too many like Mac1958

Wow, you're really trying.

I no longer engage with you because you constantly lie about my positions. Constantly. Virtually every post.

So, if you ever grow up, I'll consider re-engaging. I am not holding my breath.

I hope that was simple and clear enough for you. Now, respond with one of your spectacularly dishonest "TRANSLATION: ........." posts.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Wow, you're really trying.

I no longer engage with you because you constantly lie about my positions. Constantly. Virtually every post.

So, if you ever grow up, I'll consider re-engaging. I am not holding my breath.

I hope that was simple and clear enough for you. Now, respond with one of your spectacularly dishonest "TRANSLATION: ........." posts.

Cool…I’ll bow-out, sit back and watch as you engage with j-mac ….Fair enough?

 

[Mac1958]

Cool…I’ll bow-out, sit back and watch as you engage with j-mac ….Fair enough?

If he can behave like an honest adult, I'll consider it. Please try to learn something.

 

[JimH52]

Cept for Obiden 1.0 if they bring a knife we bring a gun....we kick them. on and on and on. Deplorables. Laugh it up funny boy.
Trump refused to take it from LW hacks. And I put him on MT. Rushmore for slamming it back in MSM faces and LW Political hacks.


Day 1........Trump calls to Mexico and AUSTRAILA were leaked by LW operatives in DC. I remember you all cheered for that.
Its' a WAR now. And your side will be crushed....eventually. It won't be pretty.//

Loser

At times you are so pathetic it becomes entertaining. But not worth $32T and collapse of America so I'll pass.

The MAGA cult is determined to bring the US to default. Their plan to overthrow the government failed. So now they will try to kill the country economically
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[sartre play]

Fanny Mae wasn't the problem, Anger Issues.

The private banks making loans to people who shouldn't have them was.

Yes that was part of the problem, What do you think were the other problems?

 

[sartre play]

i'm not especially defending MSN if you mean CNN&MSNBC. They spend way too much time on pundits arguing and giving too much respect for ridiculous GOP misinformation. Yes they are like moderate Republicans, our mainstream media mainly. But the GOP leads the country in total BS by far especially now. My college caught the only FBI agent provocateur in 1970. He got two freshmen to blow up the ROTC office and was rumored to have been at Kent State. Hoover and Nixon weren't interested in investigating anything. But the MSM are not liars. They don't make up election steql or election vaccine dangers global warming BS like Murdoch racist garbage propaganda and Internet conspiracy nuts. No pedophilia either LOL. Meanwhile while you're distracted by all that crap, they robbed the country blind for the greedy idiot rich GOP.

The solution is turn off the TV NEWS. They work for dollars, not for facts.

 

[Doug1943]

Liberals haven’t changed you have. Once you got through the struggles you’ve decided it no longer benefits you to be liberal.

2/3rds of Americans live paycheck to paycheck it’s not all bad choices bud. Right wingers are good at anecdotes and bad at data. The system is set up so that only a few are comfortable. We don’t need socialism but we do need a structure that pushes more wealth and comfort to people who work hard while providing a safety net for the unfortunate. We aren’t a feudalist system but we are trending that way.

Actually, a lot of people on the Right would not disagree with you, at the level of abstraction with which you have presented your beliefs.

Inequality? Precarious income? You're talking our (rightwing 'populists') talk. A safety net for the 'unfortunate'? Sure, so long as you mean people willing and able to work, as oppose to parasites.

It's true that there is a strain of thought on the Right that is for the pure,untrammelled free market: no Social Security, no tariffs -- pure free trade. If the Chinese want to buy up the Midwest, fine. Some of them even want to auction off the National Parks.

But they're a tiny minority. A much larger group on the Right pretends to believe in the Free Market -- but ask them if that means they want to end Social Security or Medicare. Are you kidding? This group is intellectually -- sorry to say this -- a bit lazy. An ideology makes everything so simple. It's like trying to become an aeronautical engineer and wanting only to learn Newton's Laws, and avoiding the Navier-Stokes equations, and all the pragmatic things that aeronautical engineers need to know. It's not that Newton's Laws are wrong (as approximations, leaving aside relativistic effects not descernible at the speeds planes fly at ) -- they're just not enough.

The issues agitating the base of the Right today are not the classic liberal-vs-conservative questions, like minimum wage. Or rather, these may be issues, but they're no longer central.

It's whether our country is basically good, one of opportunity to everyone, with an honorable, though humanly-flawed past, one we should honor and celebrate. One whose privileged elites may have captured it, but which can be rescued from them and put back on course.

Or is it one founded and continued in racist oppression, sexist, xyx-phobic, a cruel prisonhouse for those of its population who are not male and white.

You can be on the Left, and share the first outlook with us, but you're being increasingly isolated by the 'woke' political virus that is multiplying rapidly within the body of the Left.

 

[BrokeLoser]

If he can behave like an honest adult, I'll consider it. Please try to learn something.

hahaha…behaving like an honest adult is having the courage to participate in public dissent….so far, I’ve watched you side-step the opportunity to do so a number of times in your own thread.
”Learn something” from a leftist? I’d rather not….thanks.