The "Virtuous" New Nazis.

[Phoenall]

"Being critical of Israel is not the same as being antisemitic."

How many times have I heard that old chestnut?

It seems to me that you are setting up a scenario where any criticism of Israel becomes anti-semitism.

Strange that the anti semites roll this one out as well when there is no evidence of it taking place. Key words used by the Jew haters trigger the anti semitic undertones of their criticism, little things like claiming Israel is the worst offender or Israel is top of the list.

 

[Phoenall]

In 1921, Great Britain reneged on the Balfour Declaration, lopped off 77 percent of the Land promised in the Balfour Declaration to the Jews, and set up the Arab Emirate of Trans Jordan. Which eventually became Jordan.

Per RoccoR, in another discussion in IP on this - the Balfour Delcaration had no legal authority and made no promises to either Arab entities or Jewish entities. It was simply an aggreement between the allied powers.

TRY AGAIN only this time get it right

 

[Mindful]

In 1921, Great Britain reneged on the Balfour Declaration, lopped off 77 percent of the Land promised in the Balfour Declaration to the Jews, and set up the Arab Emirate of Trans Jordan. Which eventually became Jordan.

Per RoccoR, in another discussion in IP on this - the Balfour Delcaration had no legal authority and made no promises to either Arab entities or Jewish entities. It was simply an aggreement between the allied powers.

TRY AGAIN only this time get it right

It was a pledge. A pledge is a pledge.

Even Abbas saw it that way.

 

[Mindful]

And back to the boycotts and sanctions.

The latest scheduled events being: Capitol Hill and Berkeley.

 

[Phoenall]

You trawl hate sites and post garbage from them to support your points. You choose them over legitimate sites. That says a lot about your repulsive character as does your selective support of scapegoating and hate campaigns.

When you choose to use hate sites, it's like walking through dog shit. It sticks to your sole (or perhaps that should be soul) and no matter how often you wash, the stink still remains.

Yes, we have heard ad nauseum about your vaunted education. A pity it doesn't seem very apparent in your posts other than to inform us that you were accepted into Stanford.

That wasn't actually a challenge to you to double down on the turnspeak, you know, but as long as you want to reveal what you are all about to an even greater degree, then be my guest

I'm curious. Do you ever actually discuss the topic or is your sole contribution to this place discussing other posters?

Instead of discussing a topic, you discuss posters, most of whom you've fit into pigeonholes. You do this in thread after thread as if it has some sort of importance beyond disruption.

You claim to be neither left nor right (I call bullshit on that) - you have a lot to say on leftwing anti-semitism but nothing on rightwing antisemitism. You're arguments are hardly impartial but entirely one sided.

You have NO problem whatsoever with hatred and rhetoric directed at Muslims who have done nothing to deserve it. Like the anti-semites, you blame the entire group for the actions of some. Yet, that same rhetoric applied to the Jewish people has you up in arms.

Wouldn't the world be a better place if we applied to same standards to all?

I don't expect you to see that. You have no integrity. Not when you rely on hate sites for sources.

So when will you apply your standards to the arab muslims that you reserve for the Jews. Start with the Jews rights under international law to live in Israel as granted under international laws. Something that you have denied exists until it was pointed out the rest of the M.E. was created under the same laws.

They have the same rights to live there as the Palestinians. Something I've consistently agreed on.

Not all the time, many times you deny them the international laws made in their favour. As in the 1923 international law that granted 78% of palestine to the arab muslims and 22% to the Jews. You only agree with the 78% portion because it supports the arab muslims. Anything that the LoN granted to the Jews you either ignore or you deny exists, and you defend the arab muslims terrorist attacks on unarmed Jews.

By the way until 1960 the palestinians were the Jews as no other group would allow themselves to called palestinians. The arab muslims were Filastins

 

[Mindful]

"Being critical of Israel is not the same as being antisemitic."

How many times have I heard that old chestnut?

It seems to me that you are setting up a scenario where any criticism of Israel becomes anti-semitism.

Strange that the anti semites roll this one out as well when there is no evidence of it taking place. Key words used by the Jew haters trigger the anti semitic undertones of their criticism, little things like claiming Israel is the worst offender or Israel is top of the list.

I've not heard any cogent argument as to why the Arabs turned down the partition plan of 1948. And later the 2000 Camp David summit, brokered by Bill Clinton.

 

[Phoenall]

Meet the packs of new Nazis, posing as Righteousness and Virtue, pursuing new exterminationist policies against Israel and, right after that, the Jews.

"In Nazi Germany," noted Brendan O'Neill in the Wall Street Journal, "it was all the rage to make one's town Judenfrei."

"Now a new fashion is sweeping Europe: to make one's town or city what we might call 'Zionistfrei' -- free of the products and culture of the Jewish state. Across the Continent, cities and towns are declaring themselves 'Israel-free zones,' insulating their citizens from Israeli produce and culture. It has ugly echoes of what happened 70 years ago."

The Nazis said "kauft nicht bei Juden": do not buy from Jews. The slogan of these new racists is "kauft nicht beim Judenstaat": do not buy from the Jewish State. The Nazis repeated "Geh nach Palästina, du Jud": Go to Palestine, you Jew. Racists in Europe shout "Jews out of Palestine!"

The "Virtuous" New Nazis

Those idiots don't realize that Jews were never a threat to them and that the one true threat to them, as well as most of the world......is Islam.

Right, so it's ok to scapegoat innocent Muslims for the actions of a few. Never changes. Just choose new targets.

Its not the few though is it, it is the majority as shown by the last elections held or the numbers prepared to act as human shields. The innocent muslims have all left the building and went somewhere else

 

[Phoenall]

Yours is certainly one of the ugliest.

At least a couple of the other antisemites are up front about it to some degree. You play the vile game of claiming to support one thing, but ALWAYS taking the side of those who persecute Jews.

Coming from someone who habitually trawls hate sites for information your (lack of) any credibility is noted.

Scapegoating innocent people is evil, yes?

I think so. I don't think you do.

So why do you see no problem in scapegoating the Jews and try to blame them for everything. They did not start the problems in the world, that was down to the religions that came after

Where have I "scapegoated" Jews or blamed them for everything? Think carefully before you keep lying Phoenall. Maybe you could provide a link.

Your complete acceptance of what team palestine post shows that you blame them for everything that is happening. Your refusal to accept that the same international laws that created Jordan, Iraq, Iran and Syria also created the Jewish national home. Your denial of the Jews rights under international laws and claims of war crimes also shows you to scapegoat the Jews and blame them for everything. Your latest trick of STEALING Jewish land to give to illegal immigrants as it will make the area more peaceful is a laugh after being shown the arab muslims many charters that say the exact opposite and that the only way to ensue peace is to wipe out the Jews and give the land to the muslims.

Not just me that has seen through your veneer as far too many posters are now calling you out.

Where have I blamed Jews for everything? Your inability to provide links (yet again) is duly noted.

Not just me that has seen through your hypocrisy is it, many others are also commenting on your Jew hatred

 

[Mindful]

Clinton's final reflections.

> Right before I left office, Arafat, in one of our last conversations, thanked me for all my efforts and told me what a great man I was. “Mr. Chairman,” I replied, “I am not a great man. I am a failure, and you have made me one.” I warned Arafat that he was single-handedly electing Sharon and that he would reap the whirlwind.<

President Clinton Reflects on 2000 Camp David Summit | Jewish Virtual Library

 

[Mindful]

Worth noting who the WCC does NOT condemn.

Here's one:

The WCC has been a regular antagonist in the propaganda war against the Jewish State. Here are five things you need to know about the WCC to understand its role in promoting anti-Zionism in Christian churches throughout the world.

1. WCC staffers and peace activists roar like lions at Israel, but behave in a submissive manner when dealing with Muslim leaders and jihadist movements.
As the articles linked below demonstrate, the World Council of Churches has repeatedly and regularly condemned Israeli actions, while remaining relatively silent about the misdeeds of Arabs and Muslim leaders and political movements in the Middle East.

CAMERA: Five Things You Need to Know About World Council of Churches

 

[Phoenall]

I agree. The fact that Antisemitism in Europe has enjoyed a resurgence alongside a huge rise in Muslim immigration is no coincidence. Jews are leaving many European countries because of this, whilst Muslims can't get here quickly enough. Most holocaust deniers in Europe are Muslims, and the left are their allies. The Labour Party is chock full of anti Semites.

I believe your assertion that the "left" is antisemitic is unfounded.

You say you're from the European Union. Are you from that part of it which is destined to invoke Article 50 .. in which case, where will you say you're from, once that happens ? Will you claim to be Stateless ... ?

I am not English.

Anyway, that aside, your apparent belief that the Left isn't antisemitic is, of course, hogwash.

During the last major conflict between Hamas and the State of Israel -- Ed Miliband, Labour's then-Leader, not only strongly attacked Israel for its actions in defending itself from their terrorism, he even tried to make capital out of the Conservatives' refusal to be as robustly critical of them that he was.

Being critical of Israel is not the same as being antisemitic.

How about George Galloway, who's further to the Left than the Labour Party is ? Or Ken Livingstone, and his outrageous (i.e sick) remark about Hitler being 'a supporter of Zionism' .. ?

Being critical of Israel, as I say, may be anti-Zionist but it is not antisemitic. Many Jews criticize Israel.
Ken Livingstone was right when he mentioned Hitler and the Nazis before the war claimed to be Zionists.

Here ... check this out ...

Labour party antisemitism.

Livingstone’s remarks are a study in the far-left’s singular treatment of antisemitism, compared to every other form of racism and intolerance. This lesson is as applicable to Australia as it is to Britain. Aside from honourable exceptions, when forced to confront an incident of antisemitism, even when irrefutable, the far-left has sought to deny, invert and ultimately shift blame onto the victims themselves, always culminating in a gratuitous and predictable attack on the ‘Jewish lobby’, a form of conspiracy theory to appeal to the weak of mind. Could one imagine the far-left mounting such a response to an allegation of homophobia, sexism or Islamophobia?

As the experience of British Labour has shown, antisemitism is very real and there remain those who reserve a unique and unwavering hatred for the dominant symbols of Jewish self-identification – the Jewish community, the Jewish faith and the Jewish nation-state.

That link has a lot more to say. Check it out ...

Many false assertions were made about socialists.

You're nitpicking somewhat.

I only posted a selection of examples of the Left's antisemitism. I could have posted more. An example of Corbyn and his friendliness with Israel's enemies, for example ?

Almost the entire world is critical of Israel. The Israelis see enemies under their beds. The Palestinian people, including children, are called enemies of Israel for good reason, seeing how they have been treated by the brutal Israeli occupation. Indeed, very many sympathize with Israel's enemies.

As for Livingstone, well, if he was so 'right', how come he was villified for his 'Hitler' view ? How come his employment as an LBC pundit was abruptly terminated after he expressed that comment ? How come EVEN his OWN PARTY dropped him, because he'd become too much of an embarrassment to them ?

The English media are particularly partial to Zionism, after all, putting an homeland for European Jews right in the middle of Palestine was a British idea in the first place.

If they had not invaded Jewish land and resorted to violence then they would not be occupied and held static. They are now facing what the Jews faced for 1400 years at their hands, without the wanton rapes, killings and beatings.

Was it, then how come it was the Jews that first thought of it 4,500 years ago. The British media are against Zionism and the Jews seeing as it is run by neo marxists

 

[Phoenall]

Meet the packs of new Nazis, posing as Righteousness and Virtue, pursuing new exterminationist policies against Israel and, right after that, the Jews.

"In Nazi Germany," noted Brendan O'Neill in the Wall Street Journal, "it was all the rage to make one's town Judenfrei."

"Now a new fashion is sweeping Europe: to make one's town or city what we might call 'Zionistfrei' -- free of the products and culture of the Jewish state. Across the Continent, cities and towns are declaring themselves 'Israel-free zones,' insulating their citizens from Israeli produce and culture. It has ugly echoes of what happened 70 years ago."

The Nazis said "kauft nicht bei Juden": do not buy from Jews. The slogan of these new racists is "kauft nicht beim Judenstaat": do not buy from the Jewish State. The Nazis repeated "Geh nach Palästina, du Jud": Go to Palestine, you Jew. Racists in Europe shout "Jews out of Palestine!"

The "Virtuous" New Nazis

Those idiots don't realize that Jews were never a threat to them and that the one true threat to them, as well as most of the world......is Islam.

Right, so it's ok to scapegoat innocent Muslims for the actions of a few. Never changes. Just choose new targets.

Pew polls and research have interviewed Muslims in various Muslim nations and found a common thread. To the "majority," Sharia Law is preferable to any other law (and as Sharia Law is part of Islams political aims, it is absolutely incompatible with western society), Gays/Lesbians should be imprisoned or killed, stoning of adulterers is acceptable, and on and on it goes. The reason we don't see most Muslims out there running amok and killing indiscriminately is because many have families to feed and are busy supporting their large families; yet they will still support the overall goal of conquering the non-Islamic world. Any who say otherwise are using "taqqiya."

The reason you don't see them running amok as you say is that is not the way most of them are. As education and income grow, family size goes down. In fact, among Muslim immigrants to western countries by the second generation, family size is other groups.

Pew polls are an excellent source. Have you read what they have to say about American Muslims?

The average muslim family size in Europe is 7, the average European family size is 5. So you really need to change your source

 

[Phoenall]

You say you're from the European Union. Are you from that part of it which is destined to invoke Article 50 .. in which case, where will you say you're from, once that happens ? Will you claim to be Stateless ... ?

I am not English.

Anyway, that aside, your apparent belief that the Left isn't antisemitic is, of course, hogwash.

During the last major conflict between Hamas and the State of Israel -- Ed Miliband, Labour's then-Leader, not only strongly attacked Israel for its actions in defending itself from their terrorism, he even tried to make capital out of the Conservatives' refusal to be as robustly critical of them that he was.

Being critical of Israel is not the same as being antisemitic.

How about George Galloway, who's further to the Left than the Labour Party is ? Or Ken Livingstone, and his outrageous (i.e sick) remark about Hitler being 'a supporter of Zionism' .. ?

Being critical of Israel, as I say, may be anti-Zionist but it is not antisemitic. Many Jews criticize Israel.
Ken Livingstone was right when he mentioned Hitler and the Nazis before the war claimed to be Zionists.

Here ... check this out ...

Labour party antisemitism.

That link has a lot more to say. Check it out ...

Many false assertions were made about socialists.

You're nitpicking somewhat.

I only posted a selection of examples of the Left's antisemitism. I could have posted more. An example of Corbyn and his friendliness with Israel's enemies, for example ?

Almost the entire world is critical of Israel. The Israelis see enemies under their beds. The Palestinian people, including children, are called enemies of Israel for good reason, seeing how they have been treated by the brutal Israeli occupation. Indeed, very many sympathize with Israel's enemies.

As for Livingstone, well, if he was so 'right', how come he was villified for his 'Hitler' view ? How come his employment as an LBC pundit was abruptly terminated after he expressed that comment ? How come EVEN his OWN PARTY dropped him, because he'd become too much of an embarrassment to them ?

The English media are particularly partial to Zionism, after all, putting an homeland for European Jews right in the middle of Palestine was a British idea in the first place.

Israel has no right to exist ... is THIS the message you want people to believe in ?

And I suggest you take a look at the Hamas Charter (Hamas being the ruling power in Gaza, and an internationally recognised terrorist organisation !!). Hamas is committed to Israel's destruction. THIS is the power that, every now and again, fires rockets into Israeli territory, with the hope of killing as many Israeli citizens as they can manage.

This includes women and children. Or .. must they, too, be at the mercy of terrorist scum ??

Hamas has moved on from its charter and no longer call for the destruction of Israel, I understand.

Then why do they trot it out every month or so as a reason/excuse for attacking the Jews. The leaders of hamas call for the destruction of Israel every day, and they even put it in a letter to the UN that the UN should have replied to with threats of multinational violence

 

[Phoenall]

You're nitpicking somewhat.

I only posted a selection of examples of the Left's antisemitism. I could have posted more. An example of Corbyn and his friendliness with Israel's enemies, for example ?

Almost the entire world is critical of Israel. The Israelis see enemies under their beds. The Palestinian people, including children, are called enemies of Israel for good reason, seeing how they have been treated by the brutal Israeli occupation. Indeed, very many sympathize with Israel's enemies.

As for Livingstone, well, if he was so 'right', how come he was villified for his 'Hitler' view ? How come his employment as an LBC pundit was abruptly terminated after he expressed that comment ? How come EVEN his OWN PARTY dropped him, because he'd become too much of an embarrassment to them ?

The English media are particularly partial to Zionism, after all, putting an homeland for European Jews right in the middle of Palestine was a British idea in the first place.

Israel has no right to exist ... is THIS the message you want people to believe in ?

And I suggest you take a look at the Hamas Charter (Hamas being the ruling power in Gaza, and an internationally recognised terrorist organisation !!). Hamas is committed to Israel's destruction. THIS is the power that, every now and again, fires rockets into Israeli territory, with the hope of killing as many Israeli citizens as they can manage.

This includes women and children. Or .. must they, too, be at the mercy of terrorist scum ??

Hamas has moved on from its charter and no longer call for the destruction of Israel, I understand.

No doubt, any boycotts, destructions and so on would affect Israeli Arabs.

Israeli Arabs are already second class citizens.

Only because they elected the people they did to rule them. Most of what happens to the arab muslims is of their own making, and more are killed by their leaders than by the IDF outside of military actions

 

[Phoenall]

Israel has no right to exist ... is THIS the message you want people to believe in ?

And I suggest you take a look at the Hamas Charter (Hamas being the ruling power in Gaza, and an internationally recognised terrorist organisation !!). Hamas is committed to Israel's destruction. THIS is the power that, every now and again, fires rockets into Israeli territory, with the hope of killing as many Israeli citizens as they can manage.

This includes women and children. Or .. must they, too, be at the mercy of terrorist scum ??

Hamas has moved on from its charter and no longer call for the destruction of Israel, I understand.

No doubt, any boycotts, destructions and so on would affect Israeli Arabs.

Israeli Arabs are already second class citizens.

So you think Hamas would spare them?

Hamas is the democratically elected government of Gaza.

WRONG they were part of the democratically elected governeent until they decided to take over as dictators. They have refused to allow the people the right to vote and try to blame it on the Jews

 

[Phoenall]

No doubt, any boycotts, destructions and so on would affect Israeli Arabs.

Israeli Arabs are already second class citizens.

So you think Hamas would spare them?

Hamas is the democratically elected government of Gaza.

That isn't an answer.

Since Hamas has no air force to bomb, army to use heavy artillary, nor navy to strafe civilians, nor even white phosphorous to drop on schools or hospitals, the answer is Yes.

They do have W.P. and have been told their use of it is a war crime, as is their use of qassams against Israel. The hamas terrorists attack Israel and then complain when Israel retaliates with force, are they too stupid to realise that they could stop the killings by not attacking Israel.


Hamas launches first phosphorus rocket at Negev; no injuries reported

Palestinian militants fired a phosphorus rocket at Israel for the first time yesterday, one of 17 fired into Israel as fighting entered its 19th day. The phosphorus rocket exploded in an open field in the western Negev. No injuries or damage were reported.


This is what you neo nazi's defend

 

[gtopa1]

Israel has no right to exist ... is THIS the message you want people to believe in ?

And I suggest you take a look at the Hamas Charter (Hamas being the ruling power in Gaza, and an internationally recognised terrorist organisation !!). Hamas is committed to Israel's destruction. THIS is the power that, every now and again, fires rockets into Israeli territory, with the hope of killing as many Israeli citizens as they can manage.

This includes women and children. Or .. must they, too, be at the mercy of terrorist scum ??

Hamas has moved on from its charter and no longer call for the destruction of Israel, I understand.

No doubt, any boycotts, destructions and so on would affect Israeli Arabs.

Israeli Arabs are already second class citizens.

So you think Hamas would spare them?

Hamas is the democratically elected government of Gaza.

Just happens to be murdering all opponents...real or imagined. Straight out of the "Stalinist" handbook!!!

Greg

 

[gtopa1]

"Being critical of Israel is not the same as being antisemitic."

How many times have I heard that old chestnut?

It seems to me that you are setting up a scenario where any criticism of Israel becomes anti-semitism.

Not at all. I have criticised Israel often for not ridding the Palestinians of the likes of Arafat and Hamas. They are the only ones with the means of cleaning out the Terrorist scum and placing a real option for a State based on Gaza and the West Bank. I thought Abbas was their last best chance; now I hope for the next generation. I pray that I am not disappointed...again.

Greg

 

[gtopa1]

You say you're from the European Union. Are you from that part of it which is destined to invoke Article 50 .. in which case, where will you say you're from, once that happens ? Will you claim to be Stateless ... ?

I am not English.

Anyway, that aside, your apparent belief that the Left isn't antisemitic is, of course, hogwash.

During the last major conflict between Hamas and the State of Israel -- Ed Miliband, Labour's then-Leader, not only strongly attacked Israel for its actions in defending itself from their terrorism, he even tried to make capital out of the Conservatives' refusal to be as robustly critical of them that he was.

Being critical of Israel is not the same as being antisemitic.

How about George Galloway, who's further to the Left than the Labour Party is ? Or Ken Livingstone, and his outrageous (i.e sick) remark about Hitler being 'a supporter of Zionism' .. ?

Being critical of Israel, as I say, may be anti-Zionist but it is not antisemitic. Many Jews criticize Israel.
Ken Livingstone was right when he mentioned Hitler and the Nazis before the war claimed to be Zionists.

Here ... check this out ...

Labour party antisemitism.

That link has a lot more to say. Check it out ...

Many false assertions were made about socialists.

You're nitpicking somewhat.

I only posted a selection of examples of the Left's antisemitism. I could have posted more. An example of Corbyn and his friendliness with Israel's enemies, for example ?

Almost the entire world is critical of Israel. The Israelis see enemies under their beds. The Palestinian people, including children, are called enemies of Israel for good reason, seeing how they have been treated by the brutal Israeli occupation. Indeed, very many sympathize with Israel's enemies.

As for Livingstone, well, if he was so 'right', how come he was villified for his 'Hitler' view ? How come his employment as an LBC pundit was abruptly terminated after he expressed that comment ? How come EVEN his OWN PARTY dropped him, because he'd become too much of an embarrassment to them ?

The English media are particularly partial to Zionism, after all, putting an homeland for European Jews right in the middle of Palestine was a British idea in the first place.

Israel has no right to exist ... is THIS the message you want people to believe in ?

And I suggest you take a look at the Hamas Charter (Hamas being the ruling power in Gaza, and an internationally recognised terrorist organisation !!). Hamas is committed to Israel's destruction. THIS is the power that, every now and again, fires rockets into Israeli territory, with the hope of killing as many Israeli citizens as they can manage.

This includes women and children. Or .. must they, too, be at the mercy of terrorist scum ??

Hamas has moved on from its charter and no longer call for the destruction of Israel, I understand.

Link please!!!

Greg

 

[Tilly]

In 1921, Great Britain reneged on the Balfour Declaration, lopped off 77 percent of the Land promised in the Balfour Declaration to the Jews, and set up the Arab Emirate of Trans Jordan. Which eventually became Jordan.

What does this have to do with anti-semitism in Europe?

A profile of the country the anti Semites want to lobby against?

It's old history.

Edited to add: but if you consider it topical, then I will stop refraining from that part of the discussion.

'Ol

I agree. The fact that Antisemitism in Europe has enjoyed a resurgence alongside a huge rise in Muslim immigration is no coincidence. Jews are leaving many European countries because of this, whilst Muslims can't get here quickly enough. Most holocaust deniers in Europe are Muslims, and the left are their allies. The Labour Party is chock full of anti Semites.

I believe your assertion that the "left" is antisemitic is unfounded.

Then you are an ostrich.

I have visited Austria but I am not from there, Tilly.

i know. You are from Spain. I'm not from Aistria either, so I don't get your point, or even if you are making one.

I believe you said I was an Östereich, Tilly.

Ostrich, Eloy, ostrich.