Zone1 There is no "GOD", deal with it!

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Since sentience is a subjective definition (one that we humans created ourselves) if we believe ourselves to be sentient, then we are.

cogito, ergo sum

It seems to me that there are various levels of sentience. That all life is sentient to some degree because they are aware of their surroundings and respond to their surroundings. They may not be aware that they are aware but they are aware and that's not nothing.

 

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I can change my mind

No you can't. Your bias won't allow it.

 

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Think if you can.

That wasn't condescending.

 

[SweetSue92]

Not really, it was perhaps for the sake of argument, I took the Jewish position vs Christianity to show Christians how even within their own bible, they don't have much evidence for their religious beliefs. I do the same with Jews and Muslims in their forums. Arguing within their religion, to expose their false beliefs. But anyways that's all irrelevant. Are you now resorting to an ad hominem attack? Let's assume that whatever you're now accusing me of is correct, how does that invalidate anything that I've said here on this thread? It doesn't. I can change my mind, through study and acquiring new information and whatever position I take now, stands or falls on its own merits, not on whether I held or didn't hold this view in the path.

Think if you can. Reflect.

No I think it's quite pertinent actually.

You are my age. My same age.

I would expect these huge waffles from someone....in their late teens, at most early 20s.

I do not expect someone who is in their 50s to waffle so much on huge life issues like this. I don't think that's an ad hominem. It factors into how much I credit your opinion. If it's someone who has proven themselves to be rational, grounded, reasonable--I will consider. If it's someone who takes extreme positions and then abandons them and then tongue-lashes everyone who disagrees....at OUR age....dude. I'm suspicious.

That said.

Are you okay?

 

[Red Front]

Are you gay?

My sexual orientation is irrelevant to the topic of this thread. No, I am not gay, I am a heterosexual. Actually, I will go further and say that I am a social conservative. I'm not very LGBTQ friendly. I don't see this shit as healthy:

On this issue, I agree with Evangelicals. American liberals call me "homophobic", "transphobic and a "fascist" because I don't celebrate all of the "gay-stuff".

 

[Red Front]

That wasn't condescending.

It probably was.

 

[Votto]

His name wasn't even "Jesus", but Yehoshua (a Hebrew name), which in English is translated to "Joshua", not "Jesus". Of course, this is assuming that he existed, he might be as fictional as Krishna, Zeus, or Osirus. You're being deceived and manipulated.

Christians are being deceived and manipulated?

So tell us Mr. Marxist man, why have so many Marxist regimes in history rounded up Christians and tortured and murdered them?

Hmm?

Why is religion such a threat to them?

I will take the teachings of Christ any day over that of Marx.

Karl Marx Was a Horrific Racist. Here Are the Quotes to Prove It

The evidence is clear: Karl Marx, the founder of communism and one of the most important socialists in history, was a terrible racist.

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Aside from the murdering of hundreds of millions of people last century, more than Nazism murdered, the Marxist ideology is all based in systemic racism.

Sadly, in today’s world, the term “racist” is lobbed at people with reckless abandon. This is not to say that there aren’t real racists in our midst, but the benchmark for accusing someone of racism has become woefully low in our current climate.

Yet, somehow, as radical leftists tear down statues of everyone and anything the mob thinks represent racist attitudes, including statues commemorating the end of slavery, Karl Marx—a clear-cut racist—has evaded the woke mob’s wrath.

Before we get to the quotes, it’s worth noting that for Marx, racism wasn’t separate or contradictory from his ideological (socialist) views. Marx believed, as many of the quotes below illustrate, that for “progress” to occur, some ethnic groups and nations had to be swallowed up by more powerful groups.

Of course, Marx believed there would eventually be no need for nations, because the workers of the world could unite without the need for countries. But before that could happen, the backwards peoples of the world would need to be eliminated or join the worldwide revolution for communism. This was inevitable and scientifically proven, Marx believed.

Below are several quotes illustrating Marx’s racism. Although it should go without saying, please note that we at StoppingSocialism.com believe the following quotes are reprehensible. We are providing them to you now so that you can see just how disturbing Marx and many of his early followers were.

Karl Marx, the Socialist Racist

“What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money. … Money is the jealous god of Israel, in face of which no other god may exist. Money degrades all the gods of man—and turns them into commodities. … The bill of exchange is the real god of the Jew. His god is only an illusory bill of exchange. … The chimerical nationality of the Jew is the nationality of the merchant, of the man of money in general.” Karl Marx, “On the Jewish Question,” 1844

“This splendid territory [the Balkans] has the misfortune to be inhabited by a conglomerate of different races and nationalities, of which it is hard to say which is the least fit for progress and civilization. Slavonians, Greeks, Wallachians, Arnauts, twelve millions of men, are all held in submission by one million of Turks, and up to a recent period, it appeared doubtful whether, of all these different races, the Turks were not the most competent to hold the supremacy which, in such a mixed population, could not but accrue to one of these nationalities.” Karl Marx, “The Russian Menace to Europe,” 1853

“The Jewish ****** Lassalle who, I’m glad to say, is leaving at the end of this week, has happily lost another 5,000 talers in an ill-judged speculation. The chap would sooner throw money down the drain than lend it to a ‘friend,’ even though his interest and capital were guaranteed. … It is now quite plain to me—as the shape of his head and the way his hair grows also testify—that he is descended from the negroes who accompanied Moses’ flight from Egypt (unless his mother or paternal grandmother interbred with a ******). Now, this blend of Jewishness and Germanness, on the one hand, and basic negroid stock, on the other, must inevitably give rise to a peculiar product. The fellow’s importunity is also ******-like.” Karl Marx, “Marx to Friedrich Engels in Manchester,” 1862

Tremaux “proved that the common Negro type is the degenerate form of a much higher one … a very significant advance over Darwin.” Karl Marx, letter to Friedrich Engels, August 7, 1866

“Without slavery, North America, the most progressive of countries, would be transformed into a patriarchal country. Wipe out North America from the map of the world and you will have anarchy— the complete decay of modern commerce and civilization. Abolish slavery and you will have wiped America off the map of nations.” Karl Marx, “The Poverty of Philosophy,” 1847

“Take Amsterdam, for instance, a city harboring many of the worst descendants of the Jews whom Ferdinand and Isabella drove out of Spain and who, after lingering a while in Portugal, were driven out of there too and eventually found a place of retreat in Holland. … Here and there and everywhere that a little capital courts investment, there is ever one of these little Jews ready to make a little suggestion or place a little bit of a loan. The smartest highwayman in the Abruzzi is not better posted about the locale of the hard cash in a traveler’s valise or pocket than these little Jews about any loose capital in the hands of a trader … These small Jewish agents draw their supplies from the big Jewish houses … and practice great ostensible devotion to the religion of their race.” Karl Marx, “The Russian Loan,” 1856

“Thus we find every tyrant backed by a Jew, as is every Pope by a Jesuit. In truth, the cravings of oppressors would be hopeless, and the practicability of war out of the question, if there were not an army of Jesuits to smother thought and a handful of Jews to ransack pockets. … The fact that 1,855 years ago Christ drove the Jewish money-changers out of the temple, and that the money-changers of our age, enlisted on the side of tyranny, happen again to be Jews is perhaps no more than a historic coincidence.” Karl Marx, “The Russian Loan,” 1856

“The expulsion of a Leper people from Egypt, at the head of whom was an Egyptian priest named Moses. Lazarus, the leper, is also the basic type of the Jew.” Karl Marx, letter to Friedrich Engels, May 10, 1861

“Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were fantasy-mongers, that the Israelites were idolators … that the tribe of Simeon (exiled under Saul) had moved to Mecca where they built a heathenish temple and worshipped stones.” Karl Marx, letter to Engels, June 16, 1864

“Indian society has no history at all, at least no known history. What we shall call its history is but the history of the successive invaders who founded their empires on the passive basis of that unresisting and unchanging society.” Karl Marx, New York Daily Tribune, August 8, 1853

“Russia is a name usurped by the Muscovites. They are not Slavs, do not belong at all to the Indo-German race, but are des intrus [intruders], who must again he hurled back beyond the Dnieper, etc.” Karl Marx, letter to Friedrich Engels, June 24, 1865

 

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My sexual orientation is irrelevant to the topic of this thread. No, I am not gay, I am a heterosexual. Actually, I will go further and say that I am a social conservative. I'm not very LGBTQ friendly. I don't see this shit as healthy:

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On this issue, I agree with Evangelicals. American liberals call me "homophobic", "transphobic and a "fascist" because I don't celebrate all of the "gay-stuff".

Actually it is relevant if it is the root cause of your anger towards Christians which you seem to have fixated your rage upon.

I do hope you are being honest about that because if you are not you have just caused yourself great harm by denying the essence of who you are. Despite what some may believe I'm not a monster. I actually do care for the welfare of others. Help me help you.

 

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It probably was.

You didn't harm her. You only harmed yourself.

 

[Red Front]

No I think it's quite pertinent actually.

You are my age. My same age.

I would expect these huge waffles from someone....in their late teens, at most early 20s.

I do not expect someone who is in their 50s to waffle so much on huge life issues like this. I don't think that's an ad hominem. It factors into how much I credit your opinion. If it's someone who has proven themselves to be rational, grounded, reasonable--I will consider. If it's someone who takes extreme positions and then abandons them and then tongue-lashes everyone who disagrees....at OUR age....dude. I'm suspicious.

That said.

Are you okay?

Try gaslighting someone else. You're not debunking anything that I've said here so far, nor are you presenting any evidence for your god-belief.

Continue with the ad hominem attacks, but it does nothing as far as proving the existence of your Christian god or refuting anything I've said on this thread. Arguments stand or fall on their own merits, think about that.

 

[Red Front]

Actually it is relevant if it is the root cause of your anger towards Christians which you seem to have fixated your rage upon.

I do hope you are being honest about that because if you are not you have just caused yourself great harm by denying the essence of who you are. Despite what some may believe I'm not a monster. I actually do care for the welfare of others. Help me help you.

Ding donkey, present the evidence for your Christian god-belief because so far, you've failed to prove anything.

 

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You're not debunking anything that I've said here so far, nor are you presenting any evidence for your god-belief.

It's not her job or anyone else's for that matter to convince you. There's no evidence you will accept. You are playing a fools game.

 

[Red Front]

You didn't harm her. You only harmed yourself.

Only in your donkey-ding brain is that the case.

 

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Ding donkey, present the evidence for your Christian god-belief because so far, you've failed to prove anything.

It's not my job to convince you. I couldn't care less what you believe. Personally I think it's good for you to suffer through life. For some it's the only way they will learn anything.

 

[Red Front]

There's no evidence you will accept. It's a fools game you are playing.

And apparently, you're the fool.

 

[Red Front]

You're a low IQ subhuman animal ....

You stand with humanity and not despotic tyrants

Like Lenin ,stalin,and mao lol

If you believe all of the Western, Capitalist propaganda against them, be my guest. You can be as stupid as you want to be, your choice.

 

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Only in your donkey-ding brain is that the case.

No. In actuality. The only thing you have in this life that can't be taken away from you is your good name. That... you have to give away. And you are demonstrating perfectly how that is done by acting like an ass. Only you can harm yourself. And you are doing an excellent job of it. Behaviors aren't like light switches. They can't be easily turned on and off.

 

[Red Front]

It's not my job to convince you. I couldn't care less what you believe. Personally I think it's good for you to suffer through life. For some it's the only way they will learn anything.

Only in your donkey-ding brain am I suffering through life, more than you. You're projecting yourself on me, that's your problem. Go see a psychiatrist.

 

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And apparently, you're the fool.

Am I? Because you are the one begging for me to convince you.

 

[Dekster]

What is the evidence for this belief?

Churches on every corner.