Time to choose a side

[Lesh]

What problems have the Democrats fixed? The deficit?

"Fixing problems" almost never happens.

Adults work towards solutions that are better. And doing so MAKES things better

 

[John T. Ford]

My apologies. I read that wrong, while trying to eat a sammich.

All good my friend ...

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Nope. My side of the fence is with the majority, against the two whacked-out ends.

The lies we tell ourselves.

 

[JWBooth]

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Neither the republicans or democrats actually help bring freedom to this country. Both sides are as guilty as the other at reducing our freedoms and liberties.

This fails as a false comparison fallacy - the two are nothing alike.

 

[JWBooth]

But before you do, you have to decide how much you can stomach being part of their group.

If you choose, or have chosen the republicans, you have to put up with:
1. Being owned by a political party, regardless if you realize your owned or not.
2. Supporting abortion. For the simple fact that there have been many GOP majorities, with enough of a majority to create a law against Roe V Wade, and make abortion a murder charge. Off the top of my head I can think of at least 5 instances were legislation was authored and presented to the congressional committee, that would overturn Roe V Wade. But was kept in committee by GOP chairmen.
3. You're going to have to continue to buy into the propaganda that fighting wars against countries that pose no actual threat to our national security is still somehow fighting for our own freedoms, liberties and American way of life.
4. You're going to have to accept that the GOP is 1/2 responsible for the welfare state. Simply because the GOP has had enough majorities to stop the welfare state, but chose not to.
5. You're going to have to understand that the NRA is just a lobbying group (now) for gun manufacturers, who own many of our congressmen and senators. And who's only fight, is to keep fear in your minds so you'll continue to think you need to buy a new gun. And that without a new gun, you're family will die.
6. You're going to have to think that allowing those from Mexico and South America is going to destroy your way of life. That your family is going to raped and murdered. That everyone from those two countries are just rapist, thieves and murderers.
7. You're gonna have to overlook the blatant lies told by right wing media and social media.
8. You'll have to overlook Trump BS and lies. Even if it makes the right look good.
9. And overlook the government, even during a republican majority isn't really fighting the war on drugs.
10. You'll have to put up with your party flip flopping on issues when it's convenient. As in immigration. Back during Ronald Reagans era, the republican party supported a more open border policy. And the same flip flopping on wars of aggression. And a few others. You, like the democrats are going to have to learn to "blow with the wind" a lot better. Because soon enough, the right and left are going to flip flop on almost all issues.

If you're a democrat, you'll have to put up with this.
1. A baby in the womb is just cells. It's not really life. Even though someone can be charged for the death of a fetus if they attack a pregnant woman.
2. You'll have to overlook all the violent druggy thugs, and have sympathy for them, when they murder, rape or beat you or someone you love. It's not their fault. It's their race, the system, or the drugs fault. Not theirs.
3. You'll have to overlook all the wars against countries that pose no threat to our national security. And meddling in other countries internal affairs just a way to keep America free.
4. You'll have to overlook your parties nomination rigging. (seriously, who on the left was actually supporting Biden BEFORE the nomination?
5. You'll have to overlook for profit race based organizations that makes whites out to be bad people. Even though you probably know a lot of whites who are decent hard working honest people. And never mind the fact that blacks have resources and laws that allow them more opportunities to succeed than any other race in this country. And if they choose NOT to better themselves, it's whiteys fault.
6. You'll have to overlook the fact that the democrats are more focused on taking guns from people who don't commit violent gun crimes than they are those who actually do use their guns for violence. As in Chicago gangs, violent druggy thugs like George Floyd (who used a gun to rob and beat a woman)
7. You're going to have to overlook the fact that transgender females still have a male bone and muscle structure when they're beating the snot out of biological females in sports. Try not to think about how it's really a man dominating women in just another way.
8. And having an open border means that more and more fentanyl and heroin will be coming across our borders. And ending the war on drugs will only create more drug addicts, more violent crimes, more thefts, more homeless people, more OD's, more divorces, more children without parents and a whole slew of other things that drug addictions brings.
9. You'll have to put up with your party flip flopping on issues when it's convenient. As in immigration. Back during Bill Clintons era and before, democrats wanted to secure Americans jobs by securing the border. You're going to have to learn to just "blow with the wind" a lot better.


Both republicans and democrats will have to be OK with their party lying, cheating and stealing. You both will have to put up with a government that allows the devaluation of the US dollar. You'll have to put up with $15hr becoming a poverty wage within the next 10 years.
Republicans and democrats have been in complete control for over 170 years. So instead of blaming each other you might try something different. How about like the police need to do, try policing your own. When the DNC clearly rigs their nomination for an establishment candidate (Biden or Clinton) why not call them out on it.
When Trump funds planned parenthood or bans bump stocks, why didn't you call him out on that?

P.S. Don't think I'm trying to push a 3rd party with this post. I'm not. There's no way in hell a 3rd party is ever going to be able to scale the mountain of BS the R & D's have put in place for any 3rd party.

Nah, I outright reject these organised bands of thieves.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

But before you do, you have to decide how much you can stomach being part of their group.

If you choose, or have chosen the republicans, you have to put up with:
1. Being owned by a political party, regardless if you realize your owned or not.
2. Supporting abortion. For the simple fact that there have been many GOP majorities, with enough of a majority to create a law against Roe V Wade, and make abortion a murder charge. Off the top of my head I can think of at least 5 instances were legislation was authored and presented to the congressional committee, that would overturn Roe V Wade. But was kept in committee by GOP chairmen.
3. You're going to have to continue to buy into the propaganda that fighting wars against countries that pose no actual threat to our national security is still somehow fighting for our own freedoms, liberties and American way of life.
4. You're going to have to accept that the GOP is 1/2 responsible for the welfare state. Simply because the GOP has had enough majorities to stop the welfare state, but chose not to.
5. You're going to have to understand that the NRA is just a lobbying group (now) for gun manufacturers, who own many of our congressmen and senators. And who's only fight, is to keep fear in your minds so you'll continue to think you need to buy a new gun. And that without a new gun, you're family will die.
6. You're going to have to think that allowing those from Mexico and South America is going to destroy your way of life. That your family is going to raped and murdered. That everyone from those two countries are just rapist, thieves and murderers.
7. You're gonna have to overlook the blatant lies told by right wing media and social media.
8. You'll have to overlook Trump BS and lies. Even if it makes the right look good.
9. And overlook the government, even during a republican majority isn't really fighting the war on drugs.
10. You'll have to put up with your party flip flopping on issues when it's convenient. As in immigration. Back during Ronald Reagans era, the republican party supported a more open border policy. And the same flip flopping on wars of aggression. And a few others. You, like the democrats are going to have to learn to "blow with the wind" a lot better. Because soon enough, the right and left are going to flip flop on almost all issues.

If you're a democrat, you'll have to put up with this.
1. A baby in the womb is just cells. It's not really life. Even though someone can be charged for the death of a fetus if they attack a pregnant woman.
2. You'll have to overlook all the violent druggy thugs, and have sympathy for them, when they murder, rape or beat you or someone you love. It's not their fault. It's their race, the system, or the drugs fault. Not theirs.
3. You'll have to overlook all the wars against countries that pose no threat to our national security. And meddling in other countries internal affairs just a way to keep America free.
4. You'll have to overlook your parties nomination rigging. (seriously, who on the left was actually supporting Biden BEFORE the nomination?
5. You'll have to overlook for profit race based organizations that makes whites out to be bad people. Even though you probably know a lot of whites who are decent hard working honest people. And never mind the fact that blacks have resources and laws that allow them more opportunities to succeed than any other race in this country. And if they choose NOT to better themselves, it's whiteys fault.
6. You'll have to overlook the fact that the democrats are more focused on taking guns from people who don't commit violent gun crimes than they are those who actually do use their guns for violence. As in Chicago gangs, violent druggy thugs like George Floyd (who used a gun to rob and beat a woman)
7. You're going to have to overlook the fact that transgender females still have a male bone and muscle structure when they're beating the snot out of biological females in sports. Try not to think about how it's really a man dominating women in just another way.
8. And having an open border means that more and more fentanyl and heroin will be coming across our borders. And ending the war on drugs will only create more drug addicts, more violent crimes, more thefts, more homeless people, more OD's, more divorces, more children without parents and a whole slew of other things that drug addictions brings.
9. You'll have to put up with your party flip flopping on issues when it's convenient. As in immigration. Back during Bill Clintons era and before, democrats wanted to secure Americans jobs by securing the border. You're going to have to learn to just "blow with the wind" a lot better.


Both republicans and democrats will have to be OK with their party lying, cheating and stealing. You both will have to put up with a government that allows the devaluation of the US dollar. You'll have to put up with $15hr becoming a poverty wage within the next 10 years.
Republicans and democrats have been in complete control for over 170 years. So instead of blaming each other you might try something different. How about like the police need to do, try policing your own. When the DNC clearly rigs their nomination for an establishment candidate (Biden or Clinton) why not call them out on it.
When Trump funds planned parenthood or bans bump stocks, why didn't you call him out on that?

P.S. Don't think I'm trying to push a 3rd party with this post. I'm not. There's no way in hell a 3rd party is ever going to be able to scale the mountain of BS the R & D's have put in place for any 3rd party.

“Both sides are the same, both sides are bad” is specious sophistry.

 

[otto105]

But before you do, you have to decide how much you can stomach being part of their group.

If you choose, or have chosen the republicans, you have to put up with:
1. Being owned by a political party, regardless if you realize your owned or not.
2. Supporting abortion. For the simple fact that there have been many GOP majorities, with enough of a majority to create a law against Roe V Wade, and make abortion a murder charge. Off the top of my head I can think of at least 5 instances were legislation was authored and presented to the congressional committee, that would overturn Roe V Wade. But was kept in committee by GOP chairmen.
3. You're going to have to continue to buy into the propaganda that fighting wars against countries that pose no actual threat to our national security is still somehow fighting for our own freedoms, liberties and American way of life.
4. You're going to have to accept that the GOP is 1/2 responsible for the welfare state. Simply because the GOP has had enough majorities to stop the welfare state, but chose not to.
5. You're going to have to understand that the NRA is just a lobbying group (now) for gun manufacturers, who own many of our congressmen and senators. And who's only fight, is to keep fear in your minds so you'll continue to think you need to buy a new gun. And that without a new gun, you're family will die.
6. You're going to have to think that allowing those from Mexico and South America is going to destroy your way of life. That your family is going to raped and murdered. That everyone from those two countries are just rapist, thieves and murderers.
7. You're gonna have to overlook the blatant lies told by right wing media and social media.
8. You'll have to overlook Trump BS and lies. Even if it makes the right look good.
9. And overlook the government, even during a republican majority isn't really fighting the war on drugs.
10. You'll have to put up with your party flip flopping on issues when it's convenient. As in immigration. Back during Ronald Reagans era, the republican party supported a more open border policy. And the same flip flopping on wars of aggression. And a few others. You, like the democrats are going to have to learn to "blow with the wind" a lot better. Because soon enough, the right and left are going to flip flop on almost all issues.

If you're a democrat, you'll have to put up with this.
1. A baby in the womb is just cells. It's not really life. Even though someone can be charged for the death of a fetus if they attack a pregnant woman.
2. You'll have to overlook all the violent druggy thugs, and have sympathy for them, when they murder, rape or beat you or someone you love. It's not their fault. It's their race, the system, or the drugs fault. Not theirs.
3. You'll have to overlook all the wars against countries that pose no threat to our national security. And meddling in other countries internal affairs just a way to keep America free.
4. You'll have to overlook your parties nomination rigging. (seriously, who on the left was actually supporting Biden BEFORE the nomination?
5. You'll have to overlook for profit race based organizations that makes whites out to be bad people. Even though you probably know a lot of whites who are decent hard working honest people. And never mind the fact that blacks have resources and laws that allow them more opportunities to succeed than any other race in this country. And if they choose NOT to better themselves, it's whiteys fault.
6. You'll have to overlook the fact that the democrats are more focused on taking guns from people who don't commit violent gun crimes than they are those who actually do use their guns for violence. As in Chicago gangs, violent druggy thugs like George Floyd (who used a gun to rob and beat a woman)
7. You're going to have to overlook the fact that transgender females still have a male bone and muscle structure when they're beating the snot out of biological females in sports. Try not to think about how it's really a man dominating women in just another way.
8. And having an open border means that more and more fentanyl and heroin will be coming across our borders. And ending the war on drugs will only create more drug addicts, more violent crimes, more thefts, more homeless people, more OD's, more divorces, more children without parents and a whole slew of other things that drug addictions brings.
9. You'll have to put up with your party flip flopping on issues when it's convenient. As in immigration. Back during Bill Clintons era and before, democrats wanted to secure Americans jobs by securing the border. You're going to have to learn to just "blow with the wind" a lot better.


Both republicans and democrats will have to be OK with their party lying, cheating and stealing. You both will have to put up with a government that allows the devaluation of the US dollar. You'll have to put up with $15hr becoming a poverty wage within the next 10 years.
Republicans and democrats have been in complete control for over 170 years. So instead of blaming each other you might try something different. How about like the police need to do, try policing your own. When the DNC clearly rigs their nomination for an establishment candidate (Biden or Clinton) why not call them out on it.
When Trump funds planned parenthood or bans bump stocks, why didn't you call him out on that?

P.S. Don't think I'm trying to push a 3rd party with this post. I'm not. There's no way in hell a 3rd party is ever going to be able to scale the mountain of BS the R & D's have put in place for any 3rd party.

I'll bite.

Name one Democrat who supports an open border.

Name all those transgender athletes.

George Floyd was choked to death over a $20 bill, you want to shot all people speeding in your country?

Joe Biden won a primary race, please tell how that is been chosen by other means.

In your country this would be the a cost of protecting guns right...'He shot me': Why did Alabama give Jason McIntosh back his gun?


In your world Native American genocide and slaver/Jim Crow didn't exist....



Try again.

 

[Shelzin]

Neither the republicans or democrats actually help bring freedom to this country. Both sides are as guilty as the other at reducing our freedoms and liberties.

This fails as a false comparison fallacy - the two are nothing alike.

But.... He didn't compare them. He said neither of them helped bring more freedom, and both reduced freedoms and liberties.

That doesn't mean they are the same, or even alike. That was never said. They can both be completely wrong in different ways, and get the same end result. Which makes them both fucked up, but still not alike.

 

[YoursTruly]

Neither the republicans or democrats actually help bring freedom to this country. Both sides are as guilty as the other at reducing our freedoms and liberties.

This fails as a false comparison fallacy - the two are nothing alike.

They compare only in the end result. But if you need comparison, I can give you a TON of them.

Like how Pelosi and Trump only play enemies on TV.

Spending: Both R & D's enjoy spending on things that have NOTHING to do with "we the people."
FISA 702. Trump was outraged to find that it was being used against him in the 2016 election. But reauthorized it, along with both the R & D's approvals.
Patriot Act. It's been reauthorized by both parties.
Planned Parenthood funding which was included in Trumps first spending bill, with a GOP majority in the House (where spending bills originate) and the Senate, which also had a GOP majority.
Wars: No new wars have started since Obama. But none have ended either. We're still in at least 3 wars at the moment. And neither of them are about our national security.
Immigration: Both parties still have kids locked up away from their parents at the border. Obama. Trump and now Biden.

Do I need to go on? Because I can. I can compare the shit out of the republicans and democrats.

 

[YoursTruly]

But before you do, you have to decide how much you can stomach being part of their group.

If you choose, or have chosen the republicans, you have to put up with:
1. Being owned by a political party, regardless if you realize your owned or not.
2. Supporting abortion. For the simple fact that there have been many GOP majorities, with enough of a majority to create a law against Roe V Wade, and make abortion a murder charge. Off the top of my head I can think of at least 5 instances were legislation was authored and presented to the congressional committee, that would overturn Roe V Wade. But was kept in committee by GOP chairmen.
3. You're going to have to continue to buy into the propaganda that fighting wars against countries that pose no actual threat to our national security is still somehow fighting for our own freedoms, liberties and American way of life.
4. You're going to have to accept that the GOP is 1/2 responsible for the welfare state. Simply because the GOP has had enough majorities to stop the welfare state, but chose not to.
5. You're going to have to understand that the NRA is just a lobbying group (now) for gun manufacturers, who own many of our congressmen and senators. And who's only fight, is to keep fear in your minds so you'll continue to think you need to buy a new gun. And that without a new gun, you're family will die.
6. You're going to have to think that allowing those from Mexico and South America is going to destroy your way of life. That your family is going to raped and murdered. That everyone from those two countries are just rapist, thieves and murderers.
7. You're gonna have to overlook the blatant lies told by right wing media and social media.
8. You'll have to overlook Trump BS and lies. Even if it makes the right look good.
9. And overlook the government, even during a republican majority isn't really fighting the war on drugs.
10. You'll have to put up with your party flip flopping on issues when it's convenient. As in immigration. Back during Ronald Reagans era, the republican party supported a more open border policy. And the same flip flopping on wars of aggression. And a few others. You, like the democrats are going to have to learn to "blow with the wind" a lot better. Because soon enough, the right and left are going to flip flop on almost all issues.

If you're a democrat, you'll have to put up with this.
1. A baby in the womb is just cells. It's not really life. Even though someone can be charged for the death of a fetus if they attack a pregnant woman.
2. You'll have to overlook all the violent druggy thugs, and have sympathy for them, when they murder, rape or beat you or someone you love. It's not their fault. It's their race, the system, or the drugs fault. Not theirs.
3. You'll have to overlook all the wars against countries that pose no threat to our national security. And meddling in other countries internal affairs just a way to keep America free.
4. You'll have to overlook your parties nomination rigging. (seriously, who on the left was actually supporting Biden BEFORE the nomination?
5. You'll have to overlook for profit race based organizations that makes whites out to be bad people. Even though you probably know a lot of whites who are decent hard working honest people. And never mind the fact that blacks have resources and laws that allow them more opportunities to succeed than any other race in this country. And if they choose NOT to better themselves, it's whiteys fault.
6. You'll have to overlook the fact that the democrats are more focused on taking guns from people who don't commit violent gun crimes than they are those who actually do use their guns for violence. As in Chicago gangs, violent druggy thugs like George Floyd (who used a gun to rob and beat a woman)
7. You're going to have to overlook the fact that transgender females still have a male bone and muscle structure when they're beating the snot out of biological females in sports. Try not to think about how it's really a man dominating women in just another way.
8. And having an open border means that more and more fentanyl and heroin will be coming across our borders. And ending the war on drugs will only create more drug addicts, more violent crimes, more thefts, more homeless people, more OD's, more divorces, more children without parents and a whole slew of other things that drug addictions brings.
9. You'll have to put up with your party flip flopping on issues when it's convenient. As in immigration. Back during Bill Clintons era and before, democrats wanted to secure Americans jobs by securing the border. You're going to have to learn to just "blow with the wind" a lot better.


Both republicans and democrats will have to be OK with their party lying, cheating and stealing. You both will have to put up with a government that allows the devaluation of the US dollar. You'll have to put up with $15hr becoming a poverty wage within the next 10 years.
Republicans and democrats have been in complete control for over 170 years. So instead of blaming each other you might try something different. How about like the police need to do, try policing your own. When the DNC clearly rigs their nomination for an establishment candidate (Biden or Clinton) why not call them out on it.
When Trump funds planned parenthood or bans bump stocks, why didn't you call him out on that?

P.S. Don't think I'm trying to push a 3rd party with this post. I'm not. There's no way in hell a 3rd party is ever going to be able to scale the mountain of BS the R & D's have put in place for any 3rd party.

I'll bite.

Name one Democrat who supports an open border.

Name all those transgender athletes.

George Floyd was choked to death over a $20 bill, you want to shot all people speeding in your country?

Joe Biden won a primary race, please tell how that is been chosen by other means.

In your country this would be the a cost of protecting guns right...'He shot me': Why did Alabama give Jason McIntosh back his gun?


In your world Native American genocide and slaver/Jim Crow didn't exist....



Try again.

1. Biden for one. When the immigrants started flooding the border, he did nothing to stop it.
2. Andraya Yearwood, BTW, if you'll pay some attention to this, you'll see its the parents of biological females who are filing lawsuits against school districts because they, the biological females are getting sidelined for the much stronger, faster trans athletes. And destroying their chances of any college scholarships. So essentially, trans female sports are making it harder for biological females to win events, which makes recruiters look at them harder. Recruiters aren't going to look at the trans athletes, because they don't want to trample on the biological females future. BTW, the Transwoman in Biden's cabinet, trampled on other women's chance of getting that position. So once again, an man just outdid a woman. And all he had to do was put on a dress & make up. Men are sneaky like that. Anything to beat a woman. lol
3. George Floyd couldn't breathe in the back of the patrol car before he was ever put on the ground. The cops were called over a fake $20 bill. But the money wasn't why he died.
4. To understand this, you have to understand how primaries are rigged. Delegates, by the time they get to their state convention, already know who the national leadership is pushing for. So let's say you were a Bernie supporter last time, and you made it to the state convention and wanted to progress to the national convention. Two things had to happen. You're local DNC chairman would also have to be a Bernie supporter. As well as your state DNC chairman. Otherwise, you'd never make it to state. But lets say you did, and the state chairman has been given his/her orders to only allow Clinton delegates. You bring up the fact that you're a Bernie supporter, you'll never make it to the national convention. Been there. Done that. I didn't even make it to state.
5. In my world, they did exist. But are not in the very distant past. It's time to move on. There's no one around from that era, who was responsible, to punish now. They're dead and gone.

So apparently you're a neoliberal democrat, who's really not wanted by the party leadership. But they put up with your kind just to keep you voting democrat. And it works. You spout off their talking points/marching orders like a finely tuned Rolex watch. All the while, the leadership of the democratic party would rather you just shut up and vote. They don't care about your "green new deal," unless there are lobbyist with deep pockets involved. They don't care about your transgender BS, unless there's spin coverage on the left wing media to convince others to vote for democrats. The ones they select.
In short, the leadership of the DNC is babying you just to keep you voting.
But don't feel bad, the RNC does the same thing to republican voters.
That's why it's called a duopoly.

 

[Old Rocks]

I stand only with Trump folks

Some people enjoy being treasonous. Have fun, traitor.

 

[Old Rocks]

The real difference.

 

[YoursTruly]

Some people enjoy being treasonous. Have fun, traitor.

That was childish. Sounds like something Trump would say.

 

[YoursTruly]

View attachment 497859
The real difference.

One thing I liked about Tulsi Gabbard, she didn't ridicule or make fun of people.

 

[Colin norris]

I am not a RepubliCRAT

That's right.

There is not much difference between the Parties beyond rhetoric.

One can either choose Freedom and Liberty or one can choose something else.

I'm pleased you can acknowledge the democrats have maintained freedom and liberty. That's patriotism. Congratulations.

 

[Quasar44]

I stand only with Trump folks

Some people enjoy being treasonous. Have fun, traitor.

You’re just a typical “ useful idiot “ and nothing else
If you’re a white guy then you’re supporting a party that wants you erased

 

[Quasar44]

I am not a RepubliCRAT

That's right.

There is not much difference between the Parties beyond rhetoric.

One can either choose Freedom and Liberty or one can choose something else.

I'm pleased you can acknowledge the democrats have maintained freedom and liberty. That's patriotism. Congratulations.

The Dems are the very true nature of real Fascism
They’re the enemy of humanity

 

[Colin norris]

I am not a RepubliCRAT

That's right.

There is not much difference between the Parties beyond rhetoric.

One can either choose Freedom and Liberty or one can choose something else.

I'm pleased you can acknowledge the democrats have maintained freedom and liberty. That's patriotism. Congratulations.

The Dems are the very true nature of real Fascism
They’re the enemy of humanity

Are they really? Tell those republicans who changed their vote to oust trump. Obviously they didn't know.
Fascist my foot. That's a pathetic handle you use to cover your ignorant hatred.

 

[Mac-7]

Freedom comes in all shapes and sizes. You either support and defend that. Or you don't. Choosing an inanimate object over the freedoms of those who owns it, is anti-freedom

Did I say you or the players couldnt do it?

I have as much freedom to criticize the players as you do to defend them

The flag is an important symbol of our nation and should be respected