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equal rights------no one objects to gays having equal rights, I personally would fight anyone who tried to deny equal rights to anyone.
marriage is not a state conferred right.
If gays want to make a committment to each other, a civil union gives them all the rights that a hetero married couple have.
But, be honest, this is not about equality, its about forcing acceptance of the gay lifestyle on everyone else and teaching kids that either way is OK.
Formal unions do not offer the same rights as marriage. Try filing Federal taxes as a union. The discriminate tax code should be enough to convince people something is wrong. Adults should be allowed to make adult decisions.
the tax code should treat civil unions just like man/woman marriages. If it doesn't, then it should be fixed.
thats a red herring and a deflection from the topic at hand.
thats what you don't get. Maybe taking a stand against gay marriage will lose the gay marriage vote, BFD. That is a tiny segment of the population.
The GOP does not have to get the radical 'gay marriage is a right' vote. let all 50,000 of them vote dem, who cares?
You assume that the gay vote is all they stand to lose. There are also the millions of Americans with gay friends or relatives, and believe they deserve equal marriage rights.
equal rights------no one objects to gays having equal rights, I personally would fight anyone who tried to deny equal rights to anyone.
marriage is not a state conferred right.
If gays want to make a committment to each other, a civil union gives them all the rights that a hetero married couple have.
But, be honest, this is not about equality, its about forcing acceptance of the gay lifestyle on everyone else and teaching kids that either way is OK.
equal rights------no one objects to gays having equal rights, I personally would fight anyone who tried to deny equal rights to anyone.
marriage is not a state conferred right.
If gays want to make a committment to each other, a civil union gives them all the rights that a hetero married couple have.
But, be honest, this is not about equality, its about forcing acceptance of the gay lifestyle on everyone else and teaching kids that either way is OK.
Formal unions do not offer the same rights as marriage. Try filing Federal taxes as a union. The discriminate tax code should be enough to convince people something is wrong. Adults should be allowed to make adult decisions.
Sure, and democrats are touting personal freedom, gee I wonder how over five million people will feel about that, having their healthcare choices dictated by the government. Talk about your 'adult decisions'.
Put up the poll and let me decimate it by going to the methodology. Or shut up.
Tea Party Movement | Gallup Historical Trends
Republican Party Favorability Sinks to Record Low
NBC/Wall Street Journal Poll
Compare Republican and Democratic numbers. The GOP is trailing.
Of course the GOP is trailing.
Look who you have running the party? Mitch bite my bottom lip in the Senate is always out there with the lib media.
John, oh yeah old John screwing over his own party so he can get party favors for every Sunday stint and making sure his idiot daughter keeps her tv show.
Time to kick ass and the first way to do it is to attack the media. Hard time. Nothing off limits.
Report on them. Every move they make.
What the right is doing is taking advantage of the government to force upon people their belief of what marriage is, while at the same time preaching small government.
Tea Party Movement | Gallup Historical Trends
Republican Party Favorability Sinks to Record Low
NBC/Wall Street Journal Poll
Compare Republican and Democratic numbers. The GOP is trailing.
Of course the GOP is trailing.
Look who you have running the party? Mitch bite my bottom lip in the Senate is always out there with the lib media.
John, oh yeah old John screwing over his own party so he can get party favors for every Sunday stint and making sure his idiot daughter keeps her tv show.
Time to kick ass and the first way to do it is to attack the media. Hard time. Nothing off limits.
Report on them. Every move they make.
I like your idea of fighting the media aggressively. Call them on their bullshit every time. I hate the main stream media. But attacking Republicans you feel are not Conservative enough is foolish and self-destructive. It gets you no where.
I am a logical person. It comes down to a simple choice. A Chris Christie vs Hillary? Make your choice.
Not your dream choice....but a choice that can win. If that is the choice (and right now it looks like it is) which one would be better for the Country? Which one is better for America?
The time for hard core ideology needs to stop. This is about our Country and what is best for all Americans. Make your choice. A choice that can win.
Well not to me. 
Formal unions do not offer the same rights as marriage. Try filing Federal taxes as a union? The discriminate tax code should be enough to convince people something is wrong. Adults should be allowed to make adult decisions.
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Sure, and democrats are touting personal freedom, gee I wonder how over five million people will feel about that, having their healthcare choices dictated by the government. Talk about your 'adult decisions'.
I am in complete agreement with the assumptions I have made on your position regarding health care. Car insurance gives us the privilege to drive and is required by law. Health insurance should not be turned into a privilege to health, or life.
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A choice that can win.
How many times have I heard this since Bob Dole?
Yes but your party does...and do you think that is a political problem? If not, why not?
I don't have a party, I am registered as independent and although I can not see myself voting dimocrap in the near 15 years at least, I can't say that the establishment republicans are warming my heart too much as well.
I choose them as a lesser evil.
And I never base my vote on absolutely unimportant issues like gay marriage - in this economy it is a clear diversion.
If people are stupid to get those unimportant issues decide their vote - they are going to pay for it. And they are already.
And no, I do not see it as a political problem. I see the inability to respond in a manner which will leave the issue out of the discussion as a problem
Okay.
Candidate ___________, What is the difference between your view of gay marriage and that of your Democratic opponent?
How would you answer in a way that may get you a vote from a same sex couple?
Sure, and democrats are touting personal freedom, gee I wonder how over five million people will feel about that, having their healthcare choices dictated by the government. Talk about your 'adult decisions'.
I am in complete agreement with the assumptions I have made on your position regarding health care. Car insurance gives us the privilege to drive and is required by law. Health insurance should not be turned into a privilege to health, or life.
You agree with yourself. How narcissistic. I wonder what car insurance has to do with healthcare insurance. You're saying people should be forced into a government approved insurance plan that will cost them 41 percent more than their old plan. Really? And you lecture people about choice?
It's not only the gay community that Republicans are losing. Minority and women voters all go left lately. This is largely due to false promises made that can't be kept. Recent events prove my point.
Mob rule is taking effect because the informed voters allow a few key issues to sway the argument. All the "left" has to do is cater to the needs of different demographics in order to win the vote. Then the meetings behind closed doors happen and unrelated legislation gets thrown into bills.
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all???? horseshit. you are a newby so thats all I am going to say. but a warning, foolish generalizations like that will get you destroyed.
We know you always call out the rightwingers on this board when they make foolish generalizations as well, right? Oh, you never have? Shocking!
I don't have a party, I am registered as independent and although I can not see myself voting dimocrap in the near 15 years at least, I can't say that the establishment republicans are warming my heart too much as well.
I choose them as a lesser evil.
And I never base my vote on absolutely unimportant issues like gay marriage - in this economy it is a clear diversion.
If people are stupid to get those unimportant issues decide their vote - they are going to pay for it. And they are already.
And no, I do not see it as a political problem. I see the inability to respond in a manner which will leave the issue out of the discussion as a problem
Okay.
Candidate ___________, What is the difference between your view of gay marriage and that of your Democratic opponent?
How would you answer in a way that may get you a vote from a same sex couple?
Present. No position taken.
(I'm voting like Obama)
My response would be that I don't give a shit what two consenting adults do. But that wouldn't get me any gay votes either because I won't bend to their agenda of gay marriage.
They don't care about gay marriage. They care about destroying the family unit and replacing it with the State.
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How does gay marriage destroy a family unit?
For the record, not a right or left "winger"
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Thanks Boop. It was truly from the heart. My guess is Republicans will end up nominating some ideologically pure old white guy that will mostly get votes from other ideologically pure old white guys, while the rest of the Country yawns and votes for someone who seems to be more like them.
I like limited Government, fiscal responsibility, self-reliance, and a strong Constitution. I also like the people I vote for to win elections. You can stand for the above and still win elections. It is not that hard. You can also have a strong set of values, but be tolerant of others values. I see that as being very American. Unfortunately, many do not, and are intolerant. I will never accept that.
You assume that the gay vote is all they stand to lose. There are also the millions of Americans with gay friends or relatives, and believe they deserve equal marriage rights.
equal rights------no one objects to gays having equal rights, I personally would fight anyone who tried to deny equal rights to anyone.
marriage is not a state conferred right.
If gays want to make a committment to each other, a civil union gives them all the rights that a hetero married couple have.
But, be honest, this is not about equality, its about forcing acceptance of the gay lifestyle on everyone else and teaching kids that either way is OK.
What the right is doing is taking advantage of the government to force upon people their belief of what marriage is, while at the same time preaching small government. Personally, I think government should stay out of the marriage business, but until they do they should be willing to accept same-sex marriage as a legitimate form of marriage. And I'm tired of right wingers preaching about "traditional" marriage, because there is no such thing as "traditional" marriage. It's a fairy tale. It never existed.
What the right is doing is taking advantage of the government to force upon people their belief of what marriage is, while at the same time preaching small government.
And you oppose using government to force beliefs on people, do you? I mean that is a criticism I have of Republicans for things like the war on drugs, abortion and that sort of thing. But damn, for a liberal supporter of an authoritarian party to say it. Wow.
While I say that, I don't do that.
For the record, not a right or left "winger"
Well, the middle usually means you don't have either the will or the fortitude to make up your mind or take a stand.
You waiting for heaven on earth or something?
