To Save the Schools, We Must Change the Social Contract

[bodecea]

I'm just wondering what this kid did to force an "evacuation".

Classroom evacuation because of an irate 5 year old......uh huh....
Only in America.....and a few other confused, overly PC western societies.

What do you suggest be done with an out of control child throwing things. Let him/her hurt the other students? The teacher cannot restrain/touch them......parents sue over that.

 

[SweetSue92]

Let's hear it

I would look back in time to when our schools were some of the best in the world and start there,,

you know when they focused on the 3'rs and not indoctrination,,,

That's no solution. It's wishcasting....nebulous conservative stuff, like when liberals say crap like "the arc of history bends toward justice". It's meaningless craptrap

A SOLUTION

Try again

so whats you idea other than complaining all day???

Ummm

It's in the OP

so your solution is communism???

our social contract was violated when the fed government got involved,,get them out and let the locals choose for themselves,,,

I don't necessarily disagree that we should have probably never had a "public option" for schools. If I had been around, say, 120 or so years ago, I would have been as opposed to them as I am as opposed to a "public option" for health care now.

However. Here we are. Now, what my fellow conservatives offer is....empty garbage like this. "communism". No, it's really not at the very least communism. You have a vote at the local school board level, and you do not HAVE to send your children to the the public schools.

When I ask you for solutions, you just rant and rave.

It's a bad look. Conservatives are really, really REALLY bad at education. Sorry, but we are. Your posts are Exhibit A.

 

[bodecea]

I hope you're ready to listen now. Really listen.

You think the problems are coming from within the schools. As if the children--the products of this broken culture, really--are coming to us with clean, unwritten slates and on those slates all of us, to a teacher, are writing the most prurient and unwholesome things.

That almost never happens.

It is so rare I can tell you, yes, almost never. In CA yes and in other very liberal bastions. Otherwise, the children of this very broken, busted up and sad culture are coming to us.....well....broken, sad and busted up. Some of them have never known a stable and secure adult in their life. So really, they want the kindergarten teacher to be mommy. So while the kindergarten teacher is trying to be mommy to this child....and a lot of other children in the class...you are bashing the teacher for "teaching homosexuality". Which in all likelihood she has never done and will never do.

Wow, I'm gobsmacked at this teacher shortage. I really am. //////

Hmmm....not sure where you got that AT ALL ????
Where did I say that? (I didn't)

I said POLITICS is the root of the problem, whether it be in CA or elsewhere.
California Leads the Way Teaching LGBT History to Schoolchildren

With all due respect, you are either not reading or not comprehending. And I seriously mean no disrespect.

And I am telling you POLITICS is not the root of the problem. Our culture is the problem. IOW it's not teachers teaching politics in the classroom that is really the problem. It's the cultural stew all around--that the children are coming to us FROM--that is the problem.

yes?

the problem is obvious,,,its the solution that eludes you,,

Let's hear it

I would look back in time to when our schools were some of the best in the world and start there,,

you know when they focused on the 3'rs and not indoctrination,,,

How do the 3 r's work in today's technological world?

 

[SweetSue92]

Can't control them if the school wont let you.

You're not awfully bright

again, if you can't intimidate a room full of five year olds into compliance, then you probably should find something else to do for a living.

You see, I see our problem in Public Education to be quite the opposite. A lot of people who SHOULD be fired can't be.

"Intimidate"... so you think that's good teaching?

And five year olds.

Don't miss that part.

 

[bodecea]

Were you an active participant in your education? Were your parents active participants in your education? Or did you expect to be an empty vessel that your teachers poured knowledge into?

yes,,

Interesting answer. I DO see how you didn't get an education.

who said I didnt get one???

i'm smart enough to have a conversation on a box full of silicone parts,,,

"who said I didnt get one???"

Your attempts at English in your posts. Your woeful lack of knowledge about schools. That's what is telling us.

well you seem to understand what I'm saying,,,so I must have a grasp of the language,,,

I can understand Tarzan in the old movies too.

 

[progressive hunter]

I would look back in time to when our schools were some of the best in the world and start there,,

you know when they focused on the 3'rs and not indoctrination,,,

That's no solution. It's wishcasting....nebulous conservative stuff, like when liberals say crap like "the arc of history bends toward justice". It's meaningless craptrap

A SOLUTION

Try again

so whats you idea other than complaining all day???

Ummm

It's in the OP

so your solution is communism???

our social contract was violated when the fed government got involved,,get them out and let the locals choose for themselves,,,

I don't necessarily disagree that we should have probably never had a "public option" for schools. If I had been around, say, 120 or so years ago, I would have been as opposed to them as I am as opposed to a "public option" for health care now.

However. Here we are. Now, what my fellow conservatives offer is....empty garbage like this. "communism". No, it's really not at the very least communism. You have a vote at the local school board level, and you do not HAVE to send your children to the the public schools.

When I ask you for solutions, you just rant and rave.

It's a bad look. Conservatives are really, really REALLY bad at education. Sorry, but we are. Your posts are Exhibit A.

what did you mean by collective rights???

and who said I was against a public option??

communities can do as they see fit,,,

 

[SweetSue92]

Hmmm....not sure where you got that AT ALL ????
Where did I say that? (I didn't)

I said POLITICS is the root of the problem, whether it be in CA or elsewhere.
California Leads the Way Teaching LGBT History to Schoolchildren

With all due respect, you are either not reading or not comprehending. And I seriously mean no disrespect.

And I am telling you POLITICS is not the root of the problem. Our culture is the problem. IOW it's not teachers teaching politics in the classroom that is really the problem. It's the cultural stew all around--that the children are coming to us FROM--that is the problem.

yes?

the problem is obvious,,,its the solution that eludes you,,

Let's hear it

I would look back in time to when our schools were some of the best in the world and start there,,

you know when they focused on the 3'rs and not indoctrination,,,

How do the 3 r's work in today's technological world?

Oh they still work. And they actually work better than the technology in the much younger grades.

Actually the digital stuff if ruining our babies' brains. But that's a whole 'nother topic

 

[progressive hunter]

yes,,

Interesting answer. I DO see how you didn't get an education.

who said I didnt get one???

i'm smart enough to have a conversation on a box full of silicone parts,,,

"who said I didnt get one???"

Your attempts at English in your posts. Your woeful lack of knowledge about schools. That's what is telling us.

well you seem to understand what I'm saying,,,so I must have a grasp of the language,,,

I can understand Tarzan in the old movies too.

so you say,,,

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

What do you suggest be done with an out of control child throwing things. Let him/her hurt the other students? The teacher cannot restrain/touch them......parents sue over that.

I already stated what I suggest be done in this thread, at length. Sorry you missed it.

And I made no such suggestion as allowing bad behavior.

I know how to stop it. But I cannot do it alone. And unfortunately, most on the Left vehemently support the root of the problem.

 

[progressive hunter]

I'm just wondering what this kid did to force an "evacuation".

Classroom evacuation because of an irate 5 year old......uh huh....
Only in America.....and a few other confused, overly PC western societies.

What do you suggest be done with an out of control child throwing things. Let him/her hurt the other students? The teacher cannot restrain/touch them......parents sue over that.

thats easy,,,remove them from class

 

[dblack]

what did you mean by collective rights???

"Collective rights" is the power to gang up on people and make them do what you want.

 

[SweetSue92]

I'm just wondering what this kid did to force an "evacuation".

Classroom evacuation because of an irate 5 year old......uh huh....
Only in America.....and a few other confused, overly PC western societies.

What do you suggest be done with an out of control child throwing things. Let him/her hurt the other students? The teacher cannot restrain/touch them......parents sue over that.

Okay and yes. Here is a main point in my OP actually.

Right now, the children doing all the disrupting--no, not the CHILDREN, their parents--are holding all the "power". They have the law and the threat of lawsuits over everyone, and this is not right. It's not just or fair. Their disruption and behavior is now causing major upheaval for the education of all the other children all over the nation.

I'm saying that the parents of the OTHER children--those are the ones that have to not be intimidated by "victim mentality" and begin to file lawsuits. I just read an article about a child who had a pair of scissors thrown at her head in her elementary classroom.

No more. Let the other parents start filing suit when the districts do not protect their children

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Conservatives are really, really REALLY bad at education. Sorry, but we are. Your posts are Exhibit A.

Then why are you in that profession if you admit how horrible you are at it?

And I totally disagree. Conservatives can make THE BEST teachers. But they prolly find it difficult to be their best in the political climate in which they have to operate.

Why on Earth would you claim to be a Conservative teacher, then say Conservative teachers are "really, really REALLY bad at education"?

Specifically, what do you mean?

 

[progressive hunter]

Hmmm....not sure where you got that AT ALL ????
Where did I say that? (I didn't)

I said POLITICS is the root of the problem, whether it be in CA or elsewhere.
California Leads the Way Teaching LGBT History to Schoolchildren

With all due respect, you are either not reading or not comprehending. And I seriously mean no disrespect.

And I am telling you POLITICS is not the root of the problem. Our culture is the problem. IOW it's not teachers teaching politics in the classroom that is really the problem. It's the cultural stew all around--that the children are coming to us FROM--that is the problem.

yes?

the problem is obvious,,,its the solution that eludes you,,

Let's hear it

I would look back in time to when our schools were some of the best in the world and start there,,

you know when they focused on the 3'rs and not indoctrination,,,

How do the 3 r's work in today's technological world?

the same way they did before,,,

 

[SweetSue92]

what did you mean by collective rights???

"Collective rights" is the power to gang up on people and make them do what you want.

No.

Collective Rights is right to, say, a safe and supportive classroom. When your behavior makes the classroom no longer safe, your right to be there is lost.

We do this as a society all the time. The Collective says if your idea of happiness is to go around raping people, the Collective says we're taking your liberty away.

This is not new, people.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Okay and yes. Here is a main point in my OP actually.

Right now, the children doing all the disrupting--no, not the CHILDREN, their parents--are holding all the "power". They have the law and the threat of lawsuits over everyone, and this is not right. It's not just or fair. Their disruption and behavior is now causing major upheaval for the education of all the other children all over the nation.

I'm saying that the parents of the OTHER children--those are the ones that have to not be intimidated by "victim mentality" and begin to file lawsuits. I just read an article about a child who had a pair of scissors thrown at her head in her elementary classroom.

No more. Let the other parents start filing suit when the districts do not protect their children

And........
What happens when lawsuits are filed, and Liberal Left wing judges toss the suits or find in favor of the defendants?
because in this political climate, that is exactly what happens all too often.

Again, we are facing a political crisis, which leads to a social crisis. Try as you may, you will never succeed at fixing the school crisis until we fix the political crisis.

 

[progressive hunter]

what did you mean by collective rights???

"Collective rights" is the power to gang up on people and make them do what you want.

No.

Collective Rights is right to, say, a safe and supportive classroom. When your behavior makes the classroom no longer safe, your right to be there is lost.

We do this as a society all the time. The Collective says if your idea of happiness is to go around raping people, the Collective says we're taking your liberty away.

This is not new, people.

no its not new,,,communism like this has been around for over 100 yrs

 

[SweetSue92]

I'm just wondering what this kid did to force an "evacuation".

Classroom evacuation because of an irate 5 year old......uh huh....
Only in America.....and a few other confused, overly PC western societies.

What do you suggest be done with an out of control child throwing things. Let him/her hurt the other students? The teacher cannot restrain/touch them......parents sue over that.

thats easy,,,remove them from class

Exactly. And why? Because the Collective (the school, or society) decided on some rules to establish peace and order. And if an individual cannot abide by those, freedom (liberty) is taken away.

None of these poster paid one damn bit of attention is civics. "conservatives" sure

 

[SweetSue92]

what did you mean by collective rights???

"Collective rights" is the power to gang up on people and make them do what you want.

No.

Collective Rights is right to, say, a safe and supportive classroom. When your behavior makes the classroom no longer safe, your right to be there is lost.

We do this as a society all the time. The Collective says if your idea of happiness is to go around raping people, the Collective says we're taking your liberty away.

This is not new, people.

no its not new,,,communism like this has been around for over 100 yrs

Okay I'm done. You have no working knowledge at all of societal systems of political systems or anything

I do not have time to walk you through 8th grade civics, sorry

 

[progressive hunter]

I'm just wondering what this kid did to force an "evacuation".

Classroom evacuation because of an irate 5 year old......uh huh....
Only in America.....and a few other confused, overly PC western societies.

What do you suggest be done with an out of control child throwing things. Let him/her hurt the other students? The teacher cannot restrain/touch them......parents sue over that.

thats easy,,,remove them from class

Exactly. And why? Because the Collective (the school, or society) decided on some rules to establish peace and order. And if an individual cannot abide by those, freedom (liberty) is taken away.

None of these poster paid one damn bit of attention is civics. "conservatives" sure

what if the collective says otherwise and that its OK???

face it sweety your a communist,,,