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Your empty, mildly malicious one-line belches have become an annoying waste of time and space. So it's off to my Ignore list for you.Just wanted to remind everyone snowden IS a coward
This topic is mainly directed at those who applaud what Snowden did, but want him to face justice. What single bit of good would turning himself in do? Do you think he will be given a fair trial, or will it be a kangaroo court? Is martyrdom more beneficial than him remaining free? If so, who is it more beneficial to? It might make you feel good, but what about the man who may spend the rest of his life in prison? I can't think of a single benefit of Snowden turning himself in.
If his primary motive was chasing fame I'd say he's taken one hell of a risk. He's facing up to life in a maximum security federal prison and he's presently a man without a country, which probably is a very desolate feeling. Also, I believe he is smart enough to know this kind of fame is very short-lived.You know.................when this whole Snowden thing started, I was kinda in his corner for a little bit, because it appeared he was trying to blow the whistle on something that needed to be exposed, and he also appeared to take the time to vet the information and not release any that would harm operations and operators overseas.
However......................the longer this goes on, the more it looks like he's in it just for the fame.
If they can find and catch him, he should be put on trial.
I was against Bush doing it too. In fact, some of my conservative friends called me a "liberal" when I came out against the Patriot Act. That's about the worst thing anyone could call me, but I believe in the Constitution, and spying on American citizens is wrong, no matter who does it. A lot of legislation gets passed during a crisis that could never be passed otherwise, that's what Rahm Emanuel meant when he said "Never let a good crisis go to waste".The way I see it is he had to break the law in order to expose our president. The REAL traitor in all of this is Obama. He's the one who should be facing charges.That seems to imply that he's a criminal
Is he a criminal or hero/whistleblower?
Don't let your partisan hatred cloud your judgement.
These legitimately passed measures date back to 2006
My biggest issue is that while everyone discusses Snowden, they ignore the corruption he exposed. Why aren't more people demanding that the Obama administration explain themselves?
Snowden will go to prison if he comes back here and we all know it. I am more concerned whether he spoke the truth when he decided to sing.
What Snowden did was against the law. Of course, had he exposed Republicans, the left would be singing his praises and vowing to protect him. Obama himself said that whistle blowers should be protected by law because they are the only means we have of discovering corruption in our government. I guess he just means that they are good when they tattle on the other side.
I am wondering what the left thinks of what the Obama administration did. I don't want to hear Bush did it, too. I want to know their opinion on why Obama not only continued spying, but stepped it up to a whole new level.
Clementine,My biggest issue is that while everyone discusses Snowden, they ignore the corruption he exposed. Why aren't more people demanding that the Obama administration explain themselves?
Snowden will go to prison if he comes back here and we all know it. I am more concerned whether he spoke the truth when he decided to sing.
What Snowden did was against the law. Of course, had he exposed Republicans, the left would be singing his praises and vowing to protect him. Obama himself said that whistle blowers should be protected by law because they are the only means we have of discovering corruption in our government. I guess he just means that they are good when they tattle on the other side.
I am wondering what the left thinks of what the Obama administration did. I don't want to hear Bush did it, too. I want to know their opinion on why Obama not only continued spying, but stepped it up to a whole new level.
Snowden is an idiot on a kamikaze mission. He's a legend in his own mind. The vast majority of Americans don't give a shit.
Just wanted to remind everyone snowden IS a coward
Just wanted to remind everyone that Big Brother is watching. Do we care about that? Or will we let them distract us with stupid theatrics?
Just wanted to remind everyone snowden IS a coward
Just wanted to remind everyone that Big Brother is watching. Do we care about that? Or will we let them distract us with stupid theatrics?
If you weren't aware that you were being spied on before Snowballer said something, you should really stay indoors.
I was against Bush doing it too. In fact, some of my conservative friends called me a "liberal" when I came out against the Patriot Act. That's about the worst thing anyone could call me, but I believe in the Constitution, and spying on American citizens is wrong, no matter who does it. A lot of legislation gets passed during a crisis that could never be passed otherwise, that's what Rahm Emanuel meant when he said "Never let a good crisis go to waste".The way I see it is he had to break the law in order to expose our president. The REAL traitor in all of this is Obama. He's the one who should be facing charges.
Don't let your partisan hatred cloud your judgement.
These legitimately passed measures date back to 2006
The American people are supposed to be the boss of the government, and I can't think of anyone who would agree to let themselves be spied on without their knowledge. The government tricked us into letting this happen, telling us it would "only be used to go after terrorists", yet they're using it against everyone BUT terrorists. Maybe not Bush, but Obama for sure. That was the argument I used when trying to convince my conservative friends the Patriot Act was a BIG mistake. No one listened and now look what we have, a country under constant surveillance. This is NOT America, damnit!
Just wanted to remind everyone that Big Brother is watching. Do we care about that? Or will we let them distract us with stupid theatrics?
If you weren't aware that you were being spied on before Snowballer said something, you should really stay indoors.
So, the spying is ok with you? How about your mail? Do you mind if they start reading your mail? Cameras on the light poles outside your house focused on your bedroom window?
If you weren't aware that you were being spied on before Snowballer said something, you should really stay indoors.
So, the spying is ok with you? How about your mail? Do you mind if they start reading your mail? Cameras on the light poles outside your house focused on your bedroom window?
No I'm not okay with it.
I haven't been okay with it since W first proposed it.
That's exactly why I didn't cast a vote for POTUS in '04.
I don't think our enemies are unaware of us spying on them or the methods used to do it. That is most likely being blown out of proportion to distract us from the fact that our government is trampling all over our rights. I believe their strategy is to demonize Snowden in an effort to convince us all that what they were doing is okay. It'll NEVER be okay with me, and I hope the rest of the country feels the same way. Snowden may not be a hero but I don't think he gave our enemies anything they didn't already have.I was against Bush doing it too. In fact, some of my conservative friends called me a "liberal" when I came out against the Patriot Act. That's about the worst thing anyone could call me, but I believe in the Constitution, and spying on American citizens is wrong, no matter who does it. A lot of legislation gets passed during a crisis that could never be passed otherwise, that's what Rahm Emanuel meant when he said "Never let a good crisis go to waste".Don't let your partisan hatred cloud your judgement.
These legitimately passed measures date back to 2006
The American people are supposed to be the boss of the government, and I can't think of anyone who would agree to let themselves be spied on without their knowledge. The government tricked us into letting this happen, telling us it would "only be used to go after terrorists", yet they're using it against everyone BUT terrorists. Maybe not Bush, but Obama for sure. That was the argument I used when trying to convince my conservative friends the Patriot Act was a BIG mistake. No one listened and now look what we have, a country under constant surveillance. This is NOT America, damnit!
Now, see?
I knew we were gonna break ground somewhere, even if it fell out in a bad way.
Thankfully it didn't.
I totally agree with *almost* every word of your post.
The only point of contention is that Bush was the first one to sell the PA as "only be(ing) used on terrorists".
Obama just pumped it all up on steroids when he extended it all back in '09.
It's just that everybody SHOULD have known this shit was going on and Snowballer isn't a hero for "breaking the news".
Now he's out telling anybody with an ear on the side of their skull exactly HOW we did it.
Fuck'm. I hope the fleas of a thousand camels infests his armpits.
bless his heart
I don't think our enemies are unaware of us spying on them or the methods used to do it. That is most likely being blown out of proportion to distract us from the fact that our government is trampling all over our rights. I believe their strategy is to demonize Snowden in an effort to convince us all that what they were doing is okay. It'll NEVER be okay with me, and I hope the rest of the country feels the same way. Snowden may not be a hero but I don't think he gave our enemies anything they didn't already have.
This topic is mainly directed at those who applaud what Snowden did, but want him to face justice. What single bit of good would turning himself in do? Do you think he will be given a fair trial, or will it be a kangaroo court? Is martyrdom more beneficial than him remaining free? If so, who is it more beneficial to? It might make you feel good, but what about the man who may spend the rest of his life in prison? I can't think of a single benefit of Snowden turning himself in.
It will allow the Administration to lock him up and throw away they key. He won't be able to talk to the press any longer.
This topic is mainly directed at those who applaud what Snowden did, but want him to face justice. What single bit of good would turning himself in do? Do you think he will be given a fair trial, or will it be a kangaroo court? Is martyrdom more beneficial than him remaining free? If so, who is it more beneficial to? It might make you feel good, but what about the man who may spend the rest of his life in prison? I can't think of a single benefit of Snowden turning himself in.
I am not aware of any beneficial personal motive for what Snowden did, so I can only assume he was motivated by resentment of what he witnessed while working at the NSA, actions and procedures which he has described as systematic violation of citizens' Constitutional privacy protections. If this was in fact his only motivation it is clear that what he did was a form of rebellion committed on your behalf and mine. Can you suggest another motive for what Snowden did?Personally, I think what he did was childish and dishonorable. The fact that he ran away afterward and has shown no concern about the lack of freedom in the places he has chosen to run simply supports my first impression. If he did it for the principle, then he should stand up for his principle. Instead, what he did was violate his oath and throw a tantrum.
I am not aware of any beneficial personal motive for what Snowden did, so I can only assume he was motivated by resentment of what he witnessed while working at the NSA, actions and procedures which he has described as systematic violation of citizens' Constitutional privacy protections. If this was in fact his only motivation it is clear that what he did was a form of rebellion committed on your behalf and mine. Can you suggest another motive for what Snowden did?Personally, I think what he did was childish and dishonorable. The fact that he ran away afterward and has shown no concern about the lack of freedom in the places he has chosen to run simply supports my first impression. If he did it for the principle, then he should stand up for his principle. Instead, what he did was violate his oath and throw a tantrum.
If you can't understand why he is evading arrest for his action, anticipation of the the Bradley Manning example seems to me a good reason. Confinement to an 8 x/11 cell with bright white walls and ceiling, nothing but a steel cot, a toilet and a sink, nothing else, no tv, no radio, nothing to read, not even a pencil and paper to write with. Fluorescent lighted 24 hours. One hour a day in an equally barren courtyard for "exercise." Imagine experiencing that month after month, possibly for years. They call it "suidide prevention" but it is in fact torture by any rational standard!
Having no evidence of a personally beneficial motive for what he did I cannot condemn Snowden's action. Unless he is insane it would seem he did it for reasons which are best described as patriotic resentment of government excess. And in view of the foregoing description, can you really fault him for evading arrest?
