To those saying flipping burgers or dunking fries deserves 15.00 per hour...

[Humorme]

In that case, if a CEO can go to another country and make more money due to this cap on wages, how do we attract the best CEOs?

As you know, it was President Bill Clinton who foolishly, against the advice of his economic advisers, attempted to put cap on CEO's income. We know how that worked out.

WTF is it with you that you quote me and then pretend that I am a liberal? Are you really that uneducated? Do you not understand a satirical post when you see one?

My post was a question to liberals. If you had an IQ equal to at least your shoe size, you'd understand that. Capping any segment of society's wages is no different than a mandated minimum wage. Both are counterproductive to the encouragement of productivity.

You need to give it a rest and learn how to ask questions before you go off on a tangent, following the three stooges around that have posted cowardly B.S. on this thread when they've had every opportunity to engage in realistic and honest discourse.

 

[beagle9]

Yes merit based is a good system, and it should be honored.

Yeah, you know what, I've been in the civilian workforce for 25 years after leaving the Army, I'm still waiting to see the "Merit-based" system.

what I usually see is the biggest ass-kissers get promoted and the underlings usually suffer the brunt of management's bad decision-making.

. Unfortunately that is something that is orchastrated by the manager and his or her chosen cohorts. All one can hope for is that the idiocy implodes on them, and vindication comes to those who do the right thing in life.

 

[Wry Catcher]

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Even McDonald's acknowledges that their business was intended for children.
Holding businesses that are created with the employment of kids & college students responsible for the poor choices people make in life is wrong. If you're in your mid to late 20's or higher & working for minimum wage you have no one to blame but yourself. You're poor choices should not result in a 10.00 Big Mac or 4 dollar fry.

The answer is simple, even you might be able to understand why. The income earned by minimum wage earners is circulated through the local economy, and reduces the need for minimum wage earners to seek and receive government aid. It would be best for you to learn something about microeconomics.

 

[Papageorgio]

Good for you, every business has the right to raise their prices. No one has a right to tell you how to run your business, the same goes for any business.

Actually, there are whole bunch of rules that apply. I can't make promises that I can't keep. I have to actually deliver the services advertised at the prices states.

That is what I found with most successful businesses. If you don’t you soon end up with lots of problems and the risk of going out of business. Glad you found a formula.

 

[Rexx Taylor]

and to think there was once a time when so many of us were begging for those $2.30 hr jobs flipping burgers! and now they want 15 ???

Plus you had to put some effort into getting one of those jobs. Unlike today, nobody was begging you to take it.

Back in the mid 70's, our suburb opened up it's first fast food place. It was a Burger King. Over 1,000 of us (mostly kids) stood in a line for hours under the hot sun to try and get a job there. There were only 12 openings or so, and they all paid minimum wage.

and back then {70's},,the winters were so brutal that the 185 degree coffee spilling on your lap cooled off to about 75 degrees by the time it hit your legs.therefore, we couldnt sue McDonalds for third degree burns

 

[Mac1958]

In that case, if a CEO can go to another country and make more money due to this cap on wages, how do we attract the best CEOs?

As you know, it was President Bill Clinton who foolishly, against the advice of his economic advisers, attempted to put cap on CEO's income. We know how that worked out.

WTF is it with you that you quote me and then pretend that I am a liberal? Are you really that uneducated? Do you not understand a satirical post when you see one?

My post was a question to liberals. If you had an IQ equal to at least your shoe size, you'd understand that. Capping any segment of society's wages is no different than a mandated minimum wage. Both are counterproductive to the encouragement of productivity.

You need to give it a rest and learn how to ask questions before you go off on a tangent, following the three stooges around that have posted cowardly B.S. on this thread when they've had every opportunity to engage in realistic and honest discourse.

Good luck finding "realistic and honest discourse" here to any degree.

You'll stumble onto it now and then, usually by accident, but...
.

 

[Humorme]

Yes merit based is a good system, and it should be honored.

Yeah, you know what, I've been in the civilian workforce for 25 years after leaving the Army, I'm still waiting to see the "Merit-based" system.

what I usually see is the biggest ass-kissers get promoted and the underlings usually suffer the brunt of management's bad decision-making.

I agree with what you're saying relative to the problem; however, I've worked in union companies and the unions become utterly unrealistic.

Case in point:

I worked a union job. Once I had to fill in for a guy in our department that was out. The job was to run tests on fiber optic cable before it was put into inventory. Actually we were down two people so I'm busting my ass in this department. The inventory department told me they needed additional carts. I told them we had plenty, take what they need. They went to the shop steward. It was not their job to take the carts. WTH? They couldn't open the door and take the carts and help out when we were short two employees in our department?

Then one time the union wanted to strike when we were given a 5 percent cost of living adjustment. Back then (late 1990s) the minimum starting wage in that company exceeded $15 an hour. A trained ape could do some of the jobs. The average pay raise in the county was (and still is to this day) 3 percent. While I was appreciative of the decent wages we made, the people were spoiled. Now those jobs are nonexistent.

I'm committed to finding a better way.

 

[beagle9]

well at least in the late 70's, the kids werent taking bites out of our burgers, and we werent finding "Grilled Mouses" in our Whoppers when they were getting 2.35 an hour.

. Had nothing to do with what was paid and hour, but has everything to do with the destruction of a respected merit based system in which government and corporations who operate like government as a monopoly has since destroyed.

i still remember hearing about someone who got their meal from the drive thru, then noticed a chunk of their burger was bitten off. yecch!

. My wife had a roach cooked into her bread on a club sandwich she ordered once. Couldn't believe it..

I have a friend for whom him and his wife won't eat at a resteraunt he knows of now, and it's all because he knows that they hired a woman who was an employee of his at a plant, and he remembers how nasty of a person she was when worked for him.. So then he saw her working in the resteraunt that him and his wife once frequented.

Some of these places will hire anyone because they refuse to pay a decent wage. The resteraunt is a huge corporate chain.

Pathetic because we as customers in America get abused by all the bullcrap, but they don't care because they became a monopoly that figures the numbers in unsuspecting customers will override the lack in quality in service given. They figure people are in to much of a hurry to worry or take notice of it.
.

 

[JoeB131]

Your side lost this debate / discussion a long time ago. When you have all these people posting crap they won't say to someone's face, it says they are scared. They are pessimistic over their own solutions. The largest segment of hood rats, thugs, and lazy scumbags that don't have A job don't want one. The side you've joined don't understand that.

Okay, here's the problem with that, you are very good at painting a picture that isn't true here.

Damn! 40% of people on food stamps are white?

And wait, it gets better.

31% of them have jobs, 23.6 are on social security, which means they used to have jobs. Only 10% are collecting other kinds of welfare.

 

[Mac1958]

I'm committed to finding a better way.

We need strong, functioning, efficient unions, so here's my stab at it:

Let's say there are essentially four overall elements to a union contract (keeping this very basic): Current salaries & benefits, workplace rules, workplace safety and after-work benefits.

I would revise that to maintain current salaries & benefits and workplace safety requirements. I would remove the types of workplace rules that say this guy can't drive that truck, or that guy can't touch these tools. That's ridiculous and inefficient. I would also change retirement benefits to defined contribution/401K with plenty of guidance and safeguards (like annuities and target date mutual funds).

Competition, particularly global competition, has become too competitive for the traditional union structure, yet we still need them. But they have to change.

Thoughts?
.

 

[Humorme]

Your side lost this debate / discussion a long time ago. When you have all these people posting crap they won't say to someone's face, it says they are scared. They are pessimistic over their own solutions. The largest segment of hood rats, thugs, and lazy scumbags that don't have A job don't want one. The side you've joined don't understand that.

Okay, here's the problem with that, you are very good at painting a picture that isn't true here.

Damn! 40% of people on food stamps are white?

And wait, it gets better.

31% of them have jobs, 23.6 are on social security, which means they used to have jobs. Only 10% are collecting other kinds of welfare.

WTH does race have to do with what I said? And no, dumb ass, you don't have to had a job to get Socialist Security.

 

[Rexx Taylor]

well at least in the late 70's, the kids werent taking bites out of our burgers, and we werent finding "Grilled Mouses" in our Whoppers when they were getting 2.35 an hour.

. Had nothing to do with what was paid and hour, but has everything to do with the destruction of a respected merit based system in which government and corporations who operate like government as a monopoly has since destroyed.

i still remember hearing about someone who got their meal from the drive thru, then noticed a chunk of their burger was bitten off. yecch!

. My wife had a roach cooked into her bread on a club sandwich she ordered once. Couldn't believe it.. I have a friend for whom him and his wife won't eat at a resteraunt he knows of now, and it's all because he knows that they hired a woman who was an employee of his at a plant, and he remembers how nasty of a person she was when worked for him, and then he saw her working in the resteraunt that him and his wife once frequented. Some of these places will hire anyone because they refuse to pay a decent wage. The resteraunt is a huge corporate chain. Pathetic because we as customers in America get abused by all the bullcrap, but they don't care because they became a monopoly that figures the numbers in unsuspecting customers will override the lack in quality in service given. They figure people are in to much of a hurry to worry or take notice of it.
.

for so many years, we hear of so many horror stories of what patrons are/were finding in the foods they received especially coming from the drive thru's. of course this is what happens when fast food places are desperate that they hire anyone who walks in. Including Mouse Burgers!!! Yummy!

 

[JoeB131]

I agree with what you're saying relative to the problem; however, I've worked in union companies and the unions become utterly unrealistic.

Case in point:

I worked a union job. Once I had to fill in for a guy in our department that was out. The job was to run tests on fiber optic cable before it was put into inventory. Actually we were down two people so I'm busting my ass in this department. The inventory department told me they needed additional carts. I told them we had plenty, take what they need. They went to the shop steward. It was not their job to take the carts. WTH? They couldn't open the door and take the carts and help out when we were short two employees in our department?

Then one time the union wanted to strike when we were given a 5 percent cost of living adjustment. Back then (late 1990s) the minimum starting wage in that company exceeded $15 an hour. A trained ape could do some of the jobs. The average pay raise in the county was (and still is to this day) 3 percent. While I was appreciative of the decent wages we made, the people were spoiled. Now those jobs are nonexistent.

I'm committed to finding a better way.

I agree, these are bad cases. Another bad case is how bad cops are protected by unions after racking up lots of misconduct, which always seems to come to light when they are caught shooting a black kid in the back on videotape they tried to hide.

A better solution might be to have the the Germans have, which is work councils. They still negotiate wages and advocate for the worker, but they also - get this- are part of that company, as opposed to national unions, which could care less if XYZ Corp goes out of business.

 

[JoeB131]

WTH does race have to do with what I said? And no, dumb ass, you don't have to had a job to get Socialist Security.

You use a term like "Hood Rats" and you don't see how racist that sounds?

Oh, wait, you probably don't.

 

[Papageorgio]

I'm committed to finding a better way.

We need strong, functioning, efficient unions, so here's my stab at it:

Let's say there are essentially four overall elements to a union contract (keeping this very basic): Current salaries & benefits, workplace rules, workplace safety and after-work benefits.

I would revise that to maintain current salaries & benefits and workplace safety requirements. I would remove the types of workplace rules that say this guy can't drive that truck, or that guy can't touch these tools. That's ridiculous and inefficient. I would also change retirement benefits to defined contribution/401K with plenty of guidance and safeguards (like annuities and target date mutual funds).

Competition, particularly global competition, has become too competitive for the traditional union structure, yet we still need them. But they have to change.

Thoughts?
.

I would never work for a union, they are inefficient, look out for the unions, not the employees.

I think cross training is a good however many jobs require licenses and specialized training. Driving in many cases require a CDL, so though it is ideal, the government has restrictions through the DOT, OSHA and other such agencies.

The idea with the 401ks is a sound decision, maybe the company that supplies the 401k should provide an education of where, how and why money is put into certain funds. Educating the workers is a profitable and provides a better class of employee.

 

[Humorme]

I'm committed to finding a better way.

We need strong, functioning, efficient unions, so here's my stab at it:

Let's say there are essentially four overall elements to a union contract (keeping this very basic): Current salaries & benefits, workplace rules, workplace safety and after-work benefits.

I would revise that to maintain current salaries & benefits and workplace safety requirements. I would remove the types of workplace rules that say this guy can't drive that truck, or that guy can't touch these tools. That's ridiculous and inefficient. I would also change retirement benefits to defined contribution/401K with plenty of guidance and safeguards (like annuities and target date mutual funds).

Competition, particularly global competition, has become too competitive for the traditional union structure, yet we still need them. But they have to change.

Thoughts?
.

I'd like to take some time and think about it.

The problem has been, most of my life, that the unions get a lot of power and make it unprofitable for companies to operate. The attitude that we let big business control everything means suddenly jobs don't pay enough to live on.

Ironically, millions of Americans were brought up by parents that worked jobs that didn't take a tremendous amount of skill. Many people that are 30, 40 and beyond are the children of factory workers, steel workers, and manufacturing businesses.

Not everybody is going to be a Steve Jobs or a Bill Gates. I really don't have the answer. That is why I said, let's give the employer the option of paying higher taxes and hire whomever they want OR pay lower taxes, pay decent wages, and hire Americans. Put a five year limit on the legislation and see what it tells us.

But, I won't marginalize your idea. Even if I don't agree with it at some point, I won't denigrate you or the idea since we're basically wanting the same end result.

 

[Humorme]

WTH does race have to do with what I said? And no, dumb ass, you don't have to had a job to get Socialist Security.

You use a term like "Hood Rats" and you don't see how racist that sounds?

Oh, wait, you probably don't.

No, I don't see how racist it is. If I were looking to be racist, I'm not shy. I'd say the real words. There is no universally acceptable term to address those who prefer certain lifestyles. Yesterday on the Dr. Shill Show (Dr. Phil) he had a self proclaimed "thug" white girl on there who was attracted to a destructive lifestyle. What, exactly, are you comfortable calling people who are committed to self destruction and living off their fellow man? I'll use that term next time.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

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Even McDonald's acknowledges that their business was intended for children.
Holding businesses that are created with the employment of kids & college students responsible for the poor choices people make in life is wrong. If you're in your mid to late 20's or higher & working for minimum wage you have no one to blame but yourself. You're poor choices should not result in a 10.00 Big Mac or 4 dollar fry.

The answer is simple, even you might be able to understand why. The income earned by minimum wage earners is circulated through the local economy, and reduces the need for minimum wage earners to seek and receive government aid. It would be best for you to learn something about microeconomics.

A few extra dollars in taxes vs a doubling of wages. Hmmm.....

Yeah, get back to me when your brain starts working.

 

[JoeB131]

No, I don't see how racist it is. If I were looking to be racist, I'm not shy. I'd say the real words. There is no universally acceptable term to address those who prefer certain lifestyles. Yesterday on the Dr. Shill Show (Dr. Phil) he had a self proclaimed "thug" white girl on there who was attracted to a destructive lifestyle. What, exactly, are you comfortable calling people who are committed to self destruction and living off their fellow man? I'll use that term next time.

Wow, that you say "thug" (which has its own racist roots) instead of the N-word, that makes it okay?

Um. No. No it doesn't.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

No, I don't see how racist it is. If I were looking to be racist, I'm not shy. I'd say the real words. There is no universally acceptable term to address those who prefer certain lifestyles. Yesterday on the Dr. Shill Show (Dr. Phil) he had a self proclaimed "thug" white girl on there who was attracted to a destructive lifestyle. What, exactly, are you comfortable calling people who are committed to self destruction and living off their fellow man? I'll use that term next time.

Wow, that you say "thug" (which has its own racist roots) instead of the N-word, that makes it okay?

Um. No. No it doesn't.

Thug is a racist term?

I was called a thug &/or hoodlum in my youth and I'm white.

Too many code words with you leftists, I can't keep up.