Top 8% Own 85%

[Brain357]

Unions the worst? You must be joking. The decline in unions has only been bad for us.

It's only been bad for mediocre workers who now don;t get their unwarranted raises and protection from being shit canned

Wages are stagnant, been bad for most everyone. Union auto workers get paid more than non Union. Union teachers get paid more than private school teachers. The decline in unions has been very bad for us.

I disagree

Unions are the last bastion of the mediocre

We have seen the results of the union decline. Stagnant wages. You can disagree, but you'd be wrong.

Correlation not causation

So you want to ignore the actual results of a decline in unions and stick to your false claims. I see.

 

[Skull Pilot]

They settled so we really don't know what they did now do we?

We know they were guilty.

No you don't you know they settled

Sure kid, keep telling yourself that. I guess you prefer to ignore reality. They don't throw away millions unless the evidence against them is real strong. Now stop being such a child.

So show me the guilty verdict it should be easy to find

They settled because it was cheaper to do so the trial would have cost many many times more

And that amount of money for those 3 companies was a pittance believe me they didn't even feel it

If they were just throwing money away like that they wouldn't be in business for long and every worker would be filing lawsuits. You are such a child. You have been proven wrong, just admit it.

How can I be wrong when you haven't produced a guilty verdict

All you know is that a company settled a law suit. There was no trial, no verdict
Companies settle nuisance lawsuits all the time because it's cheaper to do so than to go to trial it has nothing to do with anything else

 

[Skull Pilot]

It's only been bad for mediocre workers who now don;t get their unwarranted raises and protection from being shit canned

Wages are stagnant, been bad for most everyone. Union auto workers get paid more than non Union. Union teachers get paid more than private school teachers. The decline in unions has been very bad for us.

I disagree

Unions are the last bastion of the mediocre

We have seen the results of the union decline. Stagnant wages. You can disagree, but you'd be wrong.

Correlation not causation

So you want to ignore the actual results of a decline in unions and stick to your false claims. I see.

The results are the results you have not proven that lower union membership is the cause

 

[Brain357]

We know they were guilty.

No you don't you know they settled

Sure kid, keep telling yourself that. I guess you prefer to ignore reality. They don't throw away millions unless the evidence against them is real strong. Now stop being such a child.

So show me the guilty verdict it should be easy to find

They settled because it was cheaper to do so the trial would have cost many many times more

And that amount of money for those 3 companies was a pittance believe me they didn't even feel it

If they were just throwing money away like that they wouldn't be in business for long and every worker would be filing lawsuits. You are such a child. You have been proven wrong, just admit it.

How can I be wrong when you haven't produced a guilty verdict

All you know is that a company settled a law suit. There was no trial, no verdict
Companies settle nuisance lawsuits all the time because it's cheaper to do so than to go to trial it has nothing to do with anything else

This isn't a nuisance lawsuit we are talking hundreds of millions. Companies don't just throw around millions of dollars especially when they get lots of bad press by settling. I understand you are too much of a child to admit when you are wrong.

 

[Wry Catcher]

You can give me the stats you want. I think our system is the best out there bar none. But I also am well versed on the fallacies that

1). If you are willing to work hard and sacrifice you can be wealthy....UNTRUE. A lot of people have very strong work ethics....they are barely making it.

2) you can become wealthy starting at the bottom. TRUE. But only a miniscule percentage...less than 1 percent will do that.

3). It takes a lot of money to make a lot of money...TRUE...VERY TRUE

4). I remember my dad many moons ago telling me if you can simply survive this mess that's the american dream. TRUE.

5) capitalism is based on those who have acquired much wealth. I
INDISPUTABLE.

It does not take a lot of money to make a lot of money

If you and your spouse save just 200 a month each by the time you retire you'll have a lot of money (to the tune of 1 million plus)

If you got together with other members of your family and started a trust and all contributed 200 a month each in 2 generations your family would be extremely wealthy

Romney and Trump didn't need to save, did they? But I digress, you no doubt voted for Romney and applauded his 47% comment which makes you one of the Callous Conservatives:

Why Mitt Romney’s “47 percent” comment was so bad

 

[Brain357]

Wages are stagnant, been bad for most everyone. Union auto workers get paid more than non Union. Union teachers get paid more than private school teachers. The decline in unions has been very bad for us.

I disagree

Unions are the last bastion of the mediocre

We have seen the results of the union decline. Stagnant wages. You can disagree, but you'd be wrong.

Correlation not causation

So you want to ignore the actual results of a decline in unions and stick to your false claims. I see.

The results are the results you have not proven that lower union membership is the cause

Union jobs pay more. Look at teachers or auto workers. Sorry you choose to be blind to the obvious.

 

[Skull Pilot]

No you don't you know they settled

Sure kid, keep telling yourself that. I guess you prefer to ignore reality. They don't throw away millions unless the evidence against them is real strong. Now stop being such a child.

So show me the guilty verdict it should be easy to find

They settled because it was cheaper to do so the trial would have cost many many times more

And that amount of money for those 3 companies was a pittance believe me they didn't even feel it

If they were just throwing money away like that they wouldn't be in business for long and every worker would be filing lawsuits. You are such a child. You have been proven wrong, just admit it.

How can I be wrong when you haven't produced a guilty verdict

All you know is that a company settled a law suit. There was no trial, no verdict
Companies settle nuisance lawsuits all the time because it's cheaper to do so than to go to trial it has nothing to do with anything else

This isn't a nuisance lawsuit we are talking hundreds of millions. Companies don't just throw around millions of dollars especially when they get lots of bad press by settling. I understand you are too much of a child to admit when you are wrong.

Spilt over what 4 companies that are worth tens of billions

It's not even a drop of piss in the ocean

 

[Skull Pilot]

I disagree

Unions are the last bastion of the mediocre

We have seen the results of the union decline. Stagnant wages. You can disagree, but you'd be wrong.

Correlation not causation

So you want to ignore the actual results of a decline in unions and stick to your false claims. I see.

The results are the results you have not proven that lower union membership is the cause

Union jobs pay more. Look at teachers or auto workers. Sorry you choose to be blind to the obvious.

Even at the height of unions no more than about 30% of all workers belonged to a union which means that 70% didn't

Now it about 15% the wages of 15% of workers does not effect all workers

 

[Brain357]

We know they were guilty.

No you don't you know they settled

Sure kid, keep telling yourself that. I guess you prefer to ignore reality. They don't throw away millions unless the evidence against them is real strong. Now stop being such a child.

So show me the guilty verdict it should be easy to find

They settled because it was cheaper to do so the trial would have cost many many times more

And that amount of money for those 3 companies was a pittance believe me they didn't even feel it

If they were just throwing money away like that they wouldn't be in business for long and every worker would be filing lawsuits. You are such a child. You have been proven wrong, just admit it.

How can I be wrong when you haven't produced a guilty verdict

All you know is that a company settled a law suit. There was no trial, no verdict
Companies settle nuisance lawsuits all the time because it's cheaper to do so than to go to trial it has nothing to do with anything else

Department of Justice says you are wrong too.
Justice Department Requires Six High Tech Companies to Stop Entering into Anticompetitive Employee Solicitation Agreements | OPA | Department of Justice

 

[Skull Pilot]

No you don't you know they settled

Sure kid, keep telling yourself that. I guess you prefer to ignore reality. They don't throw away millions unless the evidence against them is real strong. Now stop being such a child.

So show me the guilty verdict it should be easy to find

They settled because it was cheaper to do so the trial would have cost many many times more

And that amount of money for those 3 companies was a pittance believe me they didn't even feel it

If they were just throwing money away like that they wouldn't be in business for long and every worker would be filing lawsuits. You are such a child. You have been proven wrong, just admit it.

How can I be wrong when you haven't produced a guilty verdict

All you know is that a company settled a law suit. There was no trial, no verdict
Companies settle nuisance lawsuits all the time because it's cheaper to do so than to go to trial it has nothing to do with anything else

Department of Justice says you are wrong too.
Justice Department Requires Six High Tech Companies to Stop Entering into Anticompetitive Employee Solicitation Agreements | OPA | Department of Justice

That had nothing to do with wages

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I disagree

Unions are the last bastion of the mediocre

We have seen the results of the union decline. Stagnant wages. You can disagree, but you'd be wrong.

Correlation not causation

So you want to ignore the actual results of a decline in unions and stick to your false claims. I see.

The results are the results you have not proven that lower union membership is the cause

Union jobs pay more. Look at teachers or auto workers. Sorry you choose to be blind to the obvious.

Sure they pay more. That's what happens when you FORCE people to dish out money they want. But who ultimately ends up paying these wages?

I know exactly what unions in the automotive industry are about, that's why I drive a Toyota today and have the last ten years.

Never been happier. I can't even think of my mechanics name anymore. My Toyota has never left me stranded nor made me late for work that my last American made car was renown for. After 30,000 miles, my mechanic drove it more than I did.

My former mechanic was the person that gave me the tip. He explained how in the American auto industry, companies are forced to pay ridiculous wages and benefits whereas the Japanese put their money into quality engineering and parts. That's why they can give you a 100,000 mile seven year bumper-to-bumper warranty.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Unions are dying because people don't want to work in jobs that don't promote on merit

 

[Brain357]

Sure kid, keep telling yourself that. I guess you prefer to ignore reality. They don't throw away millions unless the evidence against them is real strong. Now stop being such a child.

So show me the guilty verdict it should be easy to find

They settled because it was cheaper to do so the trial would have cost many many times more

And that amount of money for those 3 companies was a pittance believe me they didn't even feel it

If they were just throwing money away like that they wouldn't be in business for long and every worker would be filing lawsuits. You are such a child. You have been proven wrong, just admit it.

How can I be wrong when you haven't produced a guilty verdict

All you know is that a company settled a law suit. There was no trial, no verdict
Companies settle nuisance lawsuits all the time because it's cheaper to do so than to go to trial it has nothing to do with anything else

Department of Justice says you are wrong too.
Justice Department Requires Six High Tech Companies to Stop Entering into Anticompetitive Employee Solicitation Agreements | OPA | Department of Justice

That had nothing to do with wages

Of course it does. Do you not understand how capitalism works?

The department said in its complaint:

• Beginning no later than 2006, Apple and Google executives agreed not to cold call each other’s employees. Apple placed Google on its internal “Do Not Call List,” which instructed employees not to directly solicit employees from the listed companies. Similarly, Google listed Apple among the companies that had special agreements with Google and were part of the “Do Not Cold Call” list;
• Beginning no later than May 2005, senior Apple and Adobe executives agreed not to cold call each other’s employees. Apple placed Adobe on its internal “Do Not Call List” and similarly, Adobe included Apple in its internal list of “Companies that are off limits”;
• Beginning no later than April 2007, Apple and Pixar executives agreed not to cold call each other’s employees. Apple placed Pixar on its internal “Do Not Call List” and senior executives at Pixar instructed human resources personnel to adhere to the agreement and maintain a paper trail;
• Beginning no later than September 2007, Google and Intel executives agreed not to cold call each other’s employees. In its hiring policies and protocol manual, Google listed Intel among the companies that have special agreements with Google and are part of the “Do Not Cold Call” list. Similarly, Intel instructed its human resources staff about the existence of the agreement; and
• In June 2007, Google and Intuit executives agreed that Google would not cold call any Intuit employee. In its hiring policies and protocol manual, Google also listed Intuit among the companies that have special agreements with Google and are part of the “Do Not Cold Call” list.

 

[Brain357]

We have seen the results of the union decline. Stagnant wages. You can disagree, but you'd be wrong.

Correlation not causation

So you want to ignore the actual results of a decline in unions and stick to your false claims. I see.

The results are the results you have not proven that lower union membership is the cause

Union jobs pay more. Look at teachers or auto workers. Sorry you choose to be blind to the obvious.

Sure they pay more. That's what happens when you FORCE people to dish out money they want. But who ultimately ends up paying these wages?

I know exactly what unions in the automotive industry are about, that's why I drive a Toyota today and have the last ten years.

Never been happier. I can't even think of my mechanics name anymore. My Toyota has never left me stranded nor made me late for work that my last American made car was renown for. After 30,000 miles, my mechanic drove it more than I did.

My former mechanic was the person that gave me the tip. He explained how in the American auto industry, companies are forced to pay ridiculous wages and benefits whereas the Japanese put their money into quality engineering and parts. That's why they can give you a 100,000 mile seven year bumper-to-bumper warranty.

Yes the execs of US companies made a lot of bad decisions and made bad cars. That has nothing to do with Unions.

 

[kaz]

I really don't understand what you are pointing out other than the fact rich people are rich.

Well then you need to open your mind and read the article.

The system is set up purposely to enrich the rich and force debt on the rest of us.

Bull, for every closed door you have two that are open. Just work harder and invest, starting with yourself. You can accomplish anything. Don't worry about what other people do

 

[kaz]

Correlation not causation

So you want to ignore the actual results of a decline in unions and stick to your false claims. I see.

The results are the results you have not proven that lower union membership is the cause

Union jobs pay more. Look at teachers or auto workers. Sorry you choose to be blind to the obvious.

Sure they pay more. That's what happens when you FORCE people to dish out money they want. But who ultimately ends up paying these wages?

I know exactly what unions in the automotive industry are about, that's why I drive a Toyota today and have the last ten years.

Never been happier. I can't even think of my mechanics name anymore. My Toyota has never left me stranded nor made me late for work that my last American made car was renown for. After 30,000 miles, my mechanic drove it more than I did.

My former mechanic was the person that gave me the tip. He explained how in the American auto industry, companies are forced to pay ridiculous wages and benefits whereas the Japanese put their money into quality engineering and parts. That's why they can give you a 100,000 mile seven year bumper-to-bumper warranty.

Yes the execs of US companies made a lot of bad decisions and made bad cars. That has nothing to do with Unions.

Yes, we need more politicians, they make good decisions, not like businesses

 

[gipper]

Damn you are slow.

A soft Socialism is what we have now.

So you think we should double down on stupid?

The only way to put an end to income inequality is to impose socialism...is that right?

That a joke right?
I have visited many Socialist countries. The ONE common denominator is there is always a super rich elite class in the background making their billions off the idiots who know what's happening but cling to the Utopian myth that if only they could change the current government all the endemic corruption will stop.

Not a joke actually, but socialism would be the EXACT wrong thing to do. I was responding to bripat. He assumed I was promoting socialism when I posted this thread. Not sure why anyone would assume that, but he and others in this thread did so.

Some on the left think greater government control or socialism is the answer. Some on the right think anyone who criticizes the current state, wants socialism.

Probably because you can only have Socialism or Capitalism.

You either want government to take money away from the people that earn it to give to others, or you believe that people should rightly keep what they earn. You really can't have both.

You missed my point entirely. As a libertarian bordering on an anarchist, I want government out of our lives entirely. So...how anyone in this thread concludes I want government to take people's income merely because I am pointing out the horrendous income inequality that exists today, are absurd and mistaken.

 

[Campbell]

This is really screwed up...and we Americans fight among ourselves over stupid things. All the while the elites are screwing us. When will we wake up and take action?


The Panama Papers offer damning proof of this: increasing concentrations of wealth and power that are free of any constraint (such as taxes) is not just the consequence of centralized money and state power--this inequality is the only possible output of centralized money and state power.

Here is a graphic portrayal of just how concentrated global wealth really is: the top .7% (less than 1%) own 45% of all global wealth, and the top 8% own 85%.

Of Two Minds - The Panama Papers: This Is the Consequence of Centralized Money and Power

It started when Reagan and the Bushes slashed tax rates for the top. It's not rocket science.....well, except for right wingers.

 

[gipper]

This is really screwed up...and we Americans fight among ourselves over stupid things. All the while the elites are screwing us. When will we wake up and take action?


The Panama Papers offer damning proof of this: increasing concentrations of wealth and power that are free of any constraint (such as taxes) is not just the consequence of centralized money and state power--this inequality is the only possible output of centralized money and state power.

Here is a graphic portrayal of just how concentrated global wealth really is: the top .7% (less than 1%) own 45% of all global wealth, and the top 8% own 85%.

Of Two Minds - The Panama Papers: This Is the Consequence of Centralized Money and Power

***Socialist propaganda alert***

Class warfare.

The utopia myth being sold to the perpetually ignorant.

Ridiculous and absurd.

The system is rigged. If you don't know that, I can't help you.

My OP and posts in this thread have absolutely nothing to do with socialism. I have posted here for years and condemned the left and big government repeatedly...and one post on the horrors of income inequality and righties jump on me, thinking I am proposing socialism. WTF is this all about?

 

[Brain357]

This is really screwed up...and we Americans fight among ourselves over stupid things. All the while the elites are screwing us. When will we wake up and take action?


The Panama Papers offer damning proof of this: increasing concentrations of wealth and power that are free of any constraint (such as taxes) is not just the consequence of centralized money and state power--this inequality is the only possible output of centralized money and state power.

Here is a graphic portrayal of just how concentrated global wealth really is: the top .7% (less than 1%) own 45% of all global wealth, and the top 8% own 85%.

Of Two Minds - The Panama Papers: This Is the Consequence of Centralized Money and Power

***Socialist propaganda alert***

Class warfare.

The utopia myth being sold to the perpetually ignorant.

Ridiculous and absurd.

The system is rigged. If you don't know that, I can't help you.

My OP and posts in this thread have absolutely nothing to do with socialism. I have posted here for years and condemned the left and big government repeatedly...and one post on the horrors of income inequality and righties jump on me, thinking I am proposing socialism. WTF is this all about?

They seem to enjoy a slow economy.
Inequality hurts economic growth, finds OECD research - OECD