Trained To Be Fooled.

[Moonglow]

What point are you trying to make, PoliticalChic.

She's doing her usual, take 15 pages to get to the point thread...

I'm not responsible for your attention deficit disorder.

Verbosity is not indicative of intellect. It's indicative of verbosity.

Mail Order Bride/OP does have the gift of gab.

Are they all so invariably nasty?

 

[NYcarbineer]

What point are you trying to make, PoliticalChic.

She's doing her usual, take 15 pages to get to the point thread...

I'm not responsible for your attention deficit disorder.

Verbosity is not indicative of intellect. It's indicative of verbosity.

Mail Order Bride/OP does have the gift of gab.

She can't and won't debate. She more or less uses USMB as her blog.

 

[PoliticalChic]

What point are you trying to make, PoliticalChic.

She's doing her usual, take 15 pages to get to the point thread...

I'm not responsible for your attention deficit disorder.

You have yet to make a point. I'm through guessing what it might be.

You have to find or figure which agenda written book she is quasi-plagiarising and or distorting with her cut and paste method of camouflaging. Without having access to the book and being able to source the borrowed sources from the book, it is time-consuming to show how her quotes are distortions. This method enables the author to claim "all the facts are true" without confronting the fact omissions of data, distortions and taking quotes out of context add up to lies. When someone points out the specific distortions she just repeats herself and goes into a denial mode.

1. Tell the truth. I always give attribution. The links are clear and evident.
You simply can't find anything to deny.

2. I never 'borrow' anything....I provide total transparency.

3. "it is time-consuming to show how her quotes are distortions."
If it were true...you would be able to show same.
Yet...you cannot.

4. "This method enables the author to claim "all the facts are true" without confronting the fact omissions of data, distortions and taking quotes out of context add up to lies."
As you are admitting that you cannot find any such.....is it because you are a fraud, or simply stupid?
'Fess up.

 

[Jack4jill]

So, you hate science.

That's your point?

I love science.

This:

Science: knowledge about or study of the natural world based on facts learned through experiments and observation
Science - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

And this....

" If a theory doesn’t make a testable prediction, it isn’t science.It’s a basic axiom of the scientific method, dubbed “falsifiability” by the 20th century philosopher of science Karl Popper. "
Does Science Need Falsifiability - The Nature of Reality The Nature of Reality PBS


But not nonsense such as the Multiverse.

Love science? What science? Maybe Jesus ridding a dinosaur?

She once put up a thread claiming that science had vindicated the Genesis description of Creation.

That would explain it then. She might as well have said I believe in math, but deny prime numbers.

 

[Dot Com]

What point are you trying to make, PoliticalChic.

She's doing her usual, take 15 pages to get to the point thread...

I'm not responsible for your attention deficit disorder.

Verbosity is not indicative of intellect. It's indicative of verbosity.

Mail Order Bride/OP does have the gift of gab.

She can't and won't debate. She more or less uses USMB as her blog.

Thats about the gist of it

 

[PoliticalChic]

Who fact-checks the fact-checkers???


7. ".... there is outright fraud. In a 2011 survey of 2,000 research psychologists, over half admitted to selectively reporting those experiments that gave the result they were after. The survey alsoconcludedthat around 10 percent of research psychologists have engaged in outright falsification of data, and more than half have engaged in "less brazen but still fraudulent behavior such as reporting that a result was statistically significant when it was not, or deciding between two different data analysis techniques after looking at the results of each and choosing the more favorable.

[This is exactly the same things that happened in the reporting of 'global warming' data....remember the East Anglia email scandals?]

.....rounding out numbers the way that looks better, checking a result less thoroughly when it comes out the way you like, and so forth.

8. The peer review process doesn't work. Most observers of science guffaw at the so-called "Sokal affair," where a physicist named Alan Sokal submitted a gibberish paper to an obscure social studies journal, which accepted it.

.... a similar hoodwinking of the very prestigious British Medical Journal, to which a paper with eight major errors was submitted. Not a single one of the 221 scientists who reviewed the paper caught all the errors in it, and only 30 percent of reviewers recommended that the paper be rejected.

Amazingly, the reviewers who were warned that they were in a study and that the paper might have problems with it found no more flaws than the ones who were in the dark."
Big Science is broken

Peer reviewers?
Fact checkers?

Is that who Shakespeare meant by 'So are they all, all honorable men,...'?




It's almost as though 'science' has been designed to fool, trick and mislead......and the 'observers' trained to be fooled........

.......almost...??

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

3. It is essential to separate what has come to be called 'science' from what really is science....or, rather, 'scientism.'


Scientism belief in the universal applicability of the scientific method and approach, and the view that empirical science constitutes the most "authoritative" worldview or the most valuable part of human learning—to the exclusion of other viewpoints.


Philosopher Michael Devitt, to mention but one, continues to proclaim that “there is only one way of knowing, the empirical way that is the basis of science!” http://12tuesday.com/discuss-an-interesting-quote-from-michael-devitt/


" The central theme in scientific method is that all evidence must be empirical which means it is based on evidence. In scientific method the word "empirical" refers to the use of working hypothesis that can be tested using observation and experiment.Empirical data is produced by experiment and observation.." Google






4. There is a tongue-in-cheek reference to what science has become, ...the term used is "SWAG."

It means a 'scientific wild ass guess."
It's meant to poke fun at folks who believe 'scientific' fact that are based on a confident and unquestioning belief,...sometimes called 'faith.'

Here's some examples of SWAG....

The Mulitiverse Theory
String theory
The Higgs boson
The universe created out of nothing.
Darwin's Theory of Evolution
Global Warming


What do these have in common?
All of 'em are of the modern fashion called 'science,' but are actually elements of a political agenda. One proof of that claim is that, to be a Liberal, one pretty much must accept them, e.g., 'the debate is over.'


a. But none of 'em are scientific....yet they are drooled over, praised,...accepted by the many infected with sciolism....
"A pretentious attitude of scholarship; superficial knowledgeability."
sciolism - definition of sciolism by The Free Dictionary

I just love reading your shit about shit that you don't know shit about trying to pass yourself off as some kind of bloody expert; especially using a Google definition to try and seem so knowledgeable of things which you are so woefully ignorant!

Then to try to explain the term SWAG by totally twisting and distorting its meaning by applying the term to inappropriate topics is beyond the pale. One case in point is the Higgs boson.

The Higgs boson was discovered, READ THAT AS PROVEN, on July 4, 2012 at CERN's Large Hadron Collider in Switzerland*. The THEORY of the Higgs boson existence was proven by EXPERIMENTATION. That proof was obtained by application of the scientific method, which you disparaged as SWAG. That discovery has far reaching implications covering a few more items on your list , the Multiverse theory, String Theory, and the Big Bang theory that you called "the universe created out of nothing". < * Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory >

Theories are just theories requiring investigation until they are proven with empirical evidence, then they become science fact. Your evangelical slant to deride the scientific method is nothing more than a propaganda ploy for your types' own purposes. Galileo Galilei suffered the same political/religious stupidity from the Roman Inquisition simply because he championed the heliocentric theory of Nicolaus Copernicus of the previous century rather than going along with the Papists decree of the planets and sun revolving around the earth.

Now for a practical example of SWAG from my own work, I will employ second and third degree approximations in my own circuit designs rather than fill up a tablet or computer screen with transforms drawing on years of experience of similar designs of type. Your definition is nothing but a distortion of fact to suit your agenda of maintaining or reestablishing the political and religious status quo.

 

[PoliticalChic]

3. It is essential to separate what has come to be called 'science' from what really is science....or, rather, 'scientism.'


Scientism belief in the universal applicability of the scientific method and approach, and the view that empirical science constitutes the most "authoritative" worldview or the most valuable part of human learning—to the exclusion of other viewpoints.


Philosopher Michael Devitt, to mention but one, continues to proclaim that “there is only one way of knowing, the empirical way that is the basis of science!” http://12tuesday.com/discuss-an-interesting-quote-from-michael-devitt/


" The central theme in scientific method is that all evidence must be empirical which means it is based on evidence. In scientific method the word "empirical" refers to the use of working hypothesis that can be tested using observation and experiment.Empirical data is produced by experiment and observation.." Google






4. There is a tongue-in-cheek reference to what science has become, ...the term used is "SWAG."

It means a 'scientific wild ass guess."
It's meant to poke fun at folks who believe 'scientific' fact that are based on a confident and unquestioning belief,...sometimes called 'faith.'

Here's some examples of SWAG....

The Mulitiverse Theory
String theory
The Higgs boson
The universe created out of nothing.
Darwin's Theory of Evolution
Global Warming


What do these have in common?
All of 'em are of the modern fashion called 'science,' but are actually elements of a political agenda. One proof of that claim is that, to be a Liberal, one pretty much must accept them, e.g., 'the debate is over.'


a. But none of 'em are scientific....yet they are drooled over, praised,...accepted by the many infected with sciolism....
"A pretentious attitude of scholarship; superficial knowledgeability."
sciolism - definition of sciolism by The Free Dictionary

I just love reading your shit about shit that you don't know shit about trying to pass yourself off as some kind of bloody expert; especially using a Google definition to try and seem so knowledgeable of things which you are so woefully ignorant!

Then to try to explain the term SWAG by totally twisting and distorting its meaning by applying the term to inappropriate topics is beyond the pale. One case in point is the Higgs boson.

The Higgs boson was discovered, READ THAT AS PROVEN, on July 4, 2012 at CERN's Large Hadron Collider in Switzerland*. The THEORY of the Higgs boson existence was proven by EXPERIMENTATION. That proof was obtained by application of the scientific method, which you disparaged as SWAG. That discovery has far reaching implications covering a few more items on your list , the Multiverse theory, String Theory, and the Big Bang theory that you called "the universe created out of nothing". < * Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory >

Theories are just theories requiring investigation until they are proven with empirical evidence, then they become science fact. Your evangelical slant to deride the scientific method is nothing more than a propaganda ploy for your types' own purposes. Galileo Galilei suffered the same political/religious stupidity from the Roman Inquisition simply because he championed the heliocentric theory of Nicolaus Copernicus of the previous century rather than going along with the Papists decree of the planets and sun revolving around the earth.

Now for a practical example of SWAG from my own work, I will employ second and third approximations in my own circuit designs rather than fill up a tablet or computer screen with transforms drawing on years of experience of similar designs of type. Your definition is nothing but a distortion of fact to suit your agenda of maintaining or reestablishing the political and religious status quo.

Your vulgarity is disgusting...but, then, so are you....
The vulgarity is a reflection of how frequently I've had to slap you around.

.....the "God particle,"the Higgs boson.


a. "[ Michio Kaku is an American futurist, theoretical physicist ] explained the importance of the God particle this way ina radio interview,"If we don't find the Higgs boson we are in deep trouble. We are in deep doo-doo.The reason is that the subatomic particles in the Standard Model are the basis, the foundation of everything we know about the Big Bang, everything we know about the universe, cosmic rays (and) black holes.So if that theory is wrong, then we are really in trouble. It means we have to throw out what is called the Standard Model — and even string theory would be in danger because string theory also has a Higgs boson. ...It will be a disaster if we don't find Higgs boson, because basically the entire edifice of modern physics depends upon it."Creation theory may be wrong collider hasn t found God particle



b. Uh oh...."When the Large Hadron Collider at CERN Laboratory in Geneva closed down for upgrades in early 2013The grand flo, its collisions had failed to yield any of dozens of particles that many theorists had included in their equations for more than 30 years.The grand flop suggests that researchers may have taken a wrong turn decades ago in their understanding of how to calculate the masses of particles.


Yet decades after their prediction,none of the supersymmetric particles have been found.“That’s what the Large Hadron Collider has been looking for, but it hasn’t seen anything,” said Savas Dimopoulos, a professor of particle physics at Stanford University who helped develop the supersymmetry hypothesis in the early 1980s. “Somehow, the Higgs is not protected.”


....many physicists have grown increasingly convinced that the theory has failed.Just last month at the International Conference of High-Energy Physics in Valencia, Spain, researchers analyzing the largest data set yet from the LHC found no evidence of supersymmetric particles. (The data also strongly disfavors an alternative proposal called “technicolor.”)"
Radical New Theory Could Kill the Multiverse Hypothesis WIRED


Now...back under your rock.

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

3. It is essential to separate what has come to be called 'science' from what really is science....or, rather, 'scientism.'


Scientism belief in the universal applicability of the scientific method and approach, and the view that empirical science constitutes the most "authoritative" worldview or the most valuable part of human learning—to the exclusion of other viewpoints.


Philosopher Michael Devitt, to mention but one, continues to proclaim that “there is only one way of knowing, the empirical way that is the basis of science!” http://12tuesday.com/discuss-an-interesting-quote-from-michael-devitt/


" The central theme in scientific method is that all evidence must be empirical which means it is based on evidence. In scientific method the word "empirical" refers to the use of working hypothesis that can be tested using observation and experiment.Empirical data is produced by experiment and observation.." Google






4. There is a tongue-in-cheek reference to what science has become, ...the term used is "SWAG."

It means a 'scientific wild ass guess."
It's meant to poke fun at folks who believe 'scientific' fact that are based on a confident and unquestioning belief,...sometimes called 'faith.'

Here's some examples of SWAG....

The Mulitiverse Theory
String theory
The Higgs boson
The universe created out of nothing.
Darwin's Theory of Evolution
Global Warming


What do these have in common?
All of 'em are of the modern fashion called 'science,' but are actually elements of a political agenda. One proof of that claim is that, to be a Liberal, one pretty much must accept them, e.g., 'the debate is over.'


a. But none of 'em are scientific....yet they are drooled over, praised,...accepted by the many infected with sciolism....
"A pretentious attitude of scholarship; superficial knowledgeability."
sciolism - definition of sciolism by The Free Dictionary

I just love reading your shit about shit that you don't know shit about trying to pass yourself off as some kind of bloody expert; especially using a Google definition to try and seem so knowledgeable of things which you are so woefully ignorant!

Then to try to explain the term SWAG by totally twisting and distorting its meaning by applying the term to inappropriate topics is beyond the pale. One case in point is the Higgs boson.

The Higgs boson was discovered, READ THAT AS PROVEN, on July 4, 2012 at CERN's Large Hadron Collider in Switzerland*. The THEORY of the Higgs boson existence was proven by EXPERIMENTATION. That proof was obtained by application of the scientific method, which you disparaged as SWAG. That discovery has far reaching implications covering a few more items on your list , the Multiverse theory, String Theory, and the Big Bang theory that you called "the universe created out of nothing". < * Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory >

Theories are just theories requiring investigation until they are proven with empirical evidence, then they become science fact. Your evangelical slant to deride the scientific method is nothing more than a propaganda ploy for your types' own purposes. Galileo Galilei suffered the same political/religious stupidity from the Roman Inquisition simply because he championed the heliocentric theory of Nicolaus Copernicus of the previous century rather than going along with the Papists decree of the planets and sun revolving around the earth.

Now for a practical example of SWAG from my own work, I will employ second and third approximations in my own circuit designs rather than fill up a tablet or computer screen with transforms drawing on years of experience of similar designs of type. Your definition is nothing but a distortion of fact to suit your agenda of maintaining or reestablishing the political and religious status quo.

Your vulgarity is disgusting...but, then, so are you....
The vulgarity is a reflection of how frequently I've had to slap you around.

.....the "God particle,"the Higgs boson.


a. "[ Michio Kaku is an American futurist, theoretical physicist ] explained the importance of the God particle this way ina radio interview,"If we don't find the Higgs boson we are in deep trouble. We are in deep doo-doo.The reason is that the subatomic particles in the Standard Model are the basis, the foundation of everything we know about the Big Bang, everything we know about the universe, cosmic rays (and) black holes.So if that theory is wrong, then we are really in trouble. It means we have to throw out what is called the Standard Model — and even string theory would be in danger because string theory also has a Higgs boson. ...It will be a disaster if we don't find Higgs boson, because basically the entire edifice of modern physics depends upon it."Creation theory may be wrong collider hasn t found God particle



b. Uh oh...."When the Large Hadron Collider at CERN Laboratory in Geneva closed down for upgrades in early 2013The grand flo, its collisions had failed to yield any of dozens of particles that many theorists had included in their equations for more than 30 years.The grand flop suggests that researchers may have taken a wrong turn decades ago in their understanding of how to calculate the masses of particles.


Yet decades after their prediction,none of the supersymmetric particles have been found.“That’s what the Large Hadron Collider has been looking for, but it hasn’t seen anything,” said Savas Dimopoulos, a professor of particle physics at Stanford University who helped develop the supersymmetry hypothesis in the early 1980s. “Somehow, the Higgs is not protected.”


....many physicists have grown increasingly convinced that the theory has failed.Just last month at the International Conference of High-Energy Physics in Valencia, Spain, researchers analyzing the largest data set yet from the LHC found no evidence of supersymmetric particles. (The data also strongly disfavors an alternative proposal called “technicolor.”)"
Radical New Theory Could Kill the Multiverse Hypothesis WIRED


Now...back under your rock.

Look at the date on your first citation from that Mormon paper which also has the position of their Church of a 6,000 year old Earth! It's dated Sept 1, 2011 which was 10 months BEFORE the Higgs boson was discovered on July 4, 2012. You are dead wrong again! That is another failed attempt at your political/religious propaganda.

Your second citation has no relevance concerning a single point I made and is just a bloody straw man. Damn, but you are really stupid to try that dodge. Simply because other super-symmetry models were not discovered between 2012 and 2014 doesn't mean they do not exist OH great champion of the of the Scientific Method! <snark>! Learn to read those articles you cite with a clearer eye, Chica, and you might save face a little more often.

You need a towel?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Who fact-checks the fact-checkers???


7. ".... there is outright fraud. In a 2011 survey of 2,000 research psychologists, over half admitted to selectively reporting those experiments that gave the result they were after. The survey alsoconcludedthat around 10 percent of research psychologists have engaged in outright falsification of data, and more than half have engaged in "less brazen but still fraudulent behavior such as reporting that a result was statistically significant when it was not, or deciding between two different data analysis techniques after looking at the results of each and choosing the more favorable.

[This is exactly the same things that happened in the reporting of 'global warming' data....remember the East Anglia email scandals?]

.....rounding out numbers the way that looks better, checking a result less thoroughly when it comes out the way you like, and so forth.

8. The peer review process doesn't work. Most observers of science guffaw at the so-called "Sokal affair," where a physicist named Alan Sokal submitted a gibberish paper to an obscure social studies journal, which accepted it.

.... a similar hoodwinking of the very prestigious British Medical Journal, to which a paper with eight major errors was submitted. Not a single one of the 221 scientists who reviewed the paper caught all the errors in it, and only 30 percent of reviewers recommended that the paper be rejected.

Amazingly, the reviewers who were warned that they were in a study and that the paper might have problems with it found no more flaws than the ones who were in the dark."
Big Science is broken

Peer reviewers?
Fact checkers?

Is that who Shakespeare meant by 'So are they all, all honorable men,...'?




It's almost as though 'science' has been designed to fool, trick and mislead......and the 'observers' trained to be fooled........

.......almost...??

Delegitimizing science is one of the crazier components of the Christian conservative cult's scheme to impose a theocracy on the United States.

 

[PoliticalChic]

3. It is essential to separate what has come to be called 'science' from what really is science....or, rather, 'scientism.'


Scientism belief in the universal applicability of the scientific method and approach, and the view that empirical science constitutes the most "authoritative" worldview or the most valuable part of human learning—to the exclusion of other viewpoints.


Philosopher Michael Devitt, to mention but one, continues to proclaim that “there is only one way of knowing, the empirical way that is the basis of science!” http://12tuesday.com/discuss-an-interesting-quote-from-michael-devitt/


" The central theme in scientific method is that all evidence must be empirical which means it is based on evidence. In scientific method the word "empirical" refers to the use of working hypothesis that can be tested using observation and experiment.Empirical data is produced by experiment and observation.." Google






4. There is a tongue-in-cheek reference to what science has become, ...the term used is "SWAG."

It means a 'scientific wild ass guess."
It's meant to poke fun at folks who believe 'scientific' fact that are based on a confident and unquestioning belief,...sometimes called 'faith.'

Here's some examples of SWAG....

The Mulitiverse Theory
String theory
The Higgs boson
The universe created out of nothing.
Darwin's Theory of Evolution
Global Warming


What do these have in common?
All of 'em are of the modern fashion called 'science,' but are actually elements of a political agenda. One proof of that claim is that, to be a Liberal, one pretty much must accept them, e.g., 'the debate is over.'


a. But none of 'em are scientific....yet they are drooled over, praised,...accepted by the many infected with sciolism....
"A pretentious attitude of scholarship; superficial knowledgeability."
sciolism - definition of sciolism by The Free Dictionary

I just love reading your shit about shit that you don't know shit about trying to pass yourself off as some kind of bloody expert; especially using a Google definition to try and seem so knowledgeable of things which you are so woefully ignorant!

Then to try to explain the term SWAG by totally twisting and distorting its meaning by applying the term to inappropriate topics is beyond the pale. One case in point is the Higgs boson.

The Higgs boson was discovered, READ THAT AS PROVEN, on July 4, 2012 at CERN's Large Hadron Collider in Switzerland*. The THEORY of the Higgs boson existence was proven by EXPERIMENTATION. That proof was obtained by application of the scientific method, which you disparaged as SWAG. That discovery has far reaching implications covering a few more items on your list , the Multiverse theory, String Theory, and the Big Bang theory that you called "the universe created out of nothing". < * Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory >

Theories are just theories requiring investigation until they are proven with empirical evidence, then they become science fact. Your evangelical slant to deride the scientific method is nothing more than a propaganda ploy for your types' own purposes. Galileo Galilei suffered the same political/religious stupidity from the Roman Inquisition simply because he championed the heliocentric theory of Nicolaus Copernicus of the previous century rather than going along with the Papists decree of the planets and sun revolving around the earth.

Now for a practical example of SWAG from my own work, I will employ second and third approximations in my own circuit designs rather than fill up a tablet or computer screen with transforms drawing on years of experience of similar designs of type. Your definition is nothing but a distortion of fact to suit your agenda of maintaining or reestablishing the political and religious status quo.

Your vulgarity is disgusting...but, then, so are you....
The vulgarity is a reflection of how frequently I've had to slap you around.

.....the "God particle,"the Higgs boson.


a. "[ Michio Kaku is an American futurist, theoretical physicist ] explained the importance of the God particle this way ina radio interview,"If we don't find the Higgs boson we are in deep trouble. We are in deep doo-doo.The reason is that the subatomic particles in the Standard Model are the basis, the foundation of everything we know about the Big Bang, everything we know about the universe, cosmic rays (and) black holes.So if that theory is wrong, then we are really in trouble. It means we have to throw out what is called the Standard Model — and even string theory would be in danger because string theory also has a Higgs boson. ...It will be a disaster if we don't find Higgs boson, because basically the entire edifice of modern physics depends upon it."Creation theory may be wrong collider hasn t found God particle



b. Uh oh...."When the Large Hadron Collider at CERN Laboratory in Geneva closed down for upgrades in early 2013The grand flo, its collisions had failed to yield any of dozens of particles that many theorists had included in their equations for more than 30 years.The grand flop suggests that researchers may have taken a wrong turn decades ago in their understanding of how to calculate the masses of particles.


Yet decades after their prediction,none of the supersymmetric particles have been found.“That’s what the Large Hadron Collider has been looking for, but it hasn’t seen anything,” said Savas Dimopoulos, a professor of particle physics at Stanford University who helped develop the supersymmetry hypothesis in the early 1980s. “Somehow, the Higgs is not protected.”


....many physicists have grown increasingly convinced that the theory has failed.Just last month at the International Conference of High-Energy Physics in Valencia, Spain, researchers analyzing the largest data set yet from the LHC found no evidence of supersymmetric particles. (The data also strongly disfavors an alternative proposal called “technicolor.”)"
Radical New Theory Could Kill the Multiverse Hypothesis WIRED


Now...back under your rock.

Look at the date on your first citation from that Mormon paper which also has the position of their Church of a 6,000 year old Earth! It's dated Sept 1, 2011 which was 10 months BEFORE the Higgs boson was discovered on July 4, 2012. You are dead wrong again! That is another failed attempt at your political/religious propaganda.

Your second citation has no relevance concerning a single point I made and is just a bloody straw man. Damn, but you are really stupid to try that dodge. Simply because other super-symmetry models were not discovered between 2012 and 2014 doesn't mean they do not exist OH great champion of the of the Scientific Method! <snark>! Learn to read those articles you cite with a clearer eye, Chica, and you might save face a little more often.

You need a towel?

What's that???

You demand more of a beating???


Sure.

Some were far less kind in their analysis of the Higgs boson affair...

"I’ve just readThe Higgs Fakeby Alexander Unzicker. He says physicists such as Einstein would have considered the “discovery” of the Higgs boson to be utterly ridiculous. And more. Unzicker really rips into particle physics.

”something had to be found in the theoretical boxroom to inspire the next round of high energy experiments”.
Groan. Those of you who are old enough to remember might recall that the Higgs boson just didn’t feature in 1995. But now it does.


We have no electron model within theStandard Model. Instead we have what Unzicker described as epicycles.Because of groupthink and big science and singing in the choir.Because of mindcuffs and peer review and the”suppression of opinions that would endanger the sacred cows of an established field”.Oh it makes grim reading all right. All the more so when you know that particle physicists have painted themselves into a corner. They can’t admit that any of it is wrong. And yet, whilst they dismiss the turkey delusion, they know in their hearts that if things don’t change, they’re in for the chop."
Science on Sunday The Higgs Fake



. My interest in all of this isthe need for demonstrable credible scientific progress in the face of ever-increasing funding pressures.Physics now plays second fiddle to biochemistry. Physics is under threat because particle physics, the "queen of physics", hasdemonstrated no credible scientific progress in decades.(Ibid...comment from a reader)


Are you gettin' that?
There is the need to fund all those careers!!!



“Physics would appear to have gotten away with it: a decades-long campaign of hype, propaganda, and outright deception that saw a ragtag bunch of social misfits swindle the world out of billions of dollars,monies which as of this writing have not been returned. What follows is the story, if not of an outright hoax, then at least of the most audacious and effective PR campaign in the history of science.”
Higgs Boson and the Great Scam of Modern Physics - The Awl


Still think it's science?


Oooops!
I used "think" with reference to you!

My bad.

 

[Dot Com]

Where does PoliSpice find her flat earth articles???

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

3. It is essential to separate what has come to be called 'science' from what really is science....or, rather, 'scientism.'


Scientism belief in the universal applicability of the scientific method and approach, and the view that empirical science constitutes the most "authoritative" worldview or the most valuable part of human learning—to the exclusion of other viewpoints.


Philosopher Michael Devitt, to mention but one, continues to proclaim that “there is only one way of knowing, the empirical way that is the basis of science!” http://12tuesday.com/discuss-an-interesting-quote-from-michael-devitt/


" The central theme in scientific method is that all evidence must be empirical which means it is based on evidence. In scientific method the word "empirical" refers to the use of working hypothesis that can be tested using observation and experiment.Empirical data is produced by experiment and observation.." Google






4. There is a tongue-in-cheek reference to what science has become, ...the term used is "SWAG."

It means a 'scientific wild ass guess."
It's meant to poke fun at folks who believe 'scientific' fact that are based on a confident and unquestioning belief,...sometimes called 'faith.'

Here's some examples of SWAG....

The Mulitiverse Theory
String theory
The Higgs boson
The universe created out of nothing.
Darwin's Theory of Evolution
Global Warming


What do these have in common?
All of 'em are of the modern fashion called 'science,' but are actually elements of a political agenda. One proof of that claim is that, to be a Liberal, one pretty much must accept them, e.g., 'the debate is over.'


a. But none of 'em are scientific....yet they are drooled over, praised,...accepted by the many infected with sciolism....
"A pretentious attitude of scholarship; superficial knowledgeability."
sciolism - definition of sciolism by The Free Dictionary

I just love reading your shit about shit that you don't know shit about trying to pass yourself off as some kind of bloody expert; especially using a Google definition to try and seem so knowledgeable of things which you are so woefully ignorant!

Then to try to explain the term SWAG by totally twisting and distorting its meaning by applying the term to inappropriate topics is beyond the pale. One case in point is the Higgs boson.

The Higgs boson was discovered, READ THAT AS PROVEN, on July 4, 2012 at CERN's Large Hadron Collider in Switzerland*. The THEORY of the Higgs boson existence was proven by EXPERIMENTATION. That proof was obtained by application of the scientific method, which you disparaged as SWAG. That discovery has far reaching implications covering a few more items on your list , the Multiverse theory, String Theory, and the Big Bang theory that you called "the universe created out of nothing". < * Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory >

Theories are just theories requiring investigation until they are proven with empirical evidence, then they become science fact. Your evangelical slant to deride the scientific method is nothing more than a propaganda ploy for your types' own purposes. Galileo Galilei suffered the same political/religious stupidity from the Roman Inquisition simply because he championed the heliocentric theory of Nicolaus Copernicus of the previous century rather than going along with the Papists decree of the planets and sun revolving around the earth.

Now for a practical example of SWAG from my own work, I will employ second and third approximations in my own circuit designs rather than fill up a tablet or computer screen with transforms drawing on years of experience of similar designs of type. Your definition is nothing but a distortion of fact to suit your agenda of maintaining or reestablishing the political and religious status quo.

Your vulgarity is disgusting...but, then, so are you....
The vulgarity is a reflection of how frequently I've had to slap you around.

.....the "God particle,"the Higgs boson.


a. "[ Michio Kaku is an American futurist, theoretical physicist ] explained the importance of the God particle this way ina radio interview,"If we don't find the Higgs boson we are in deep trouble. We are in deep doo-doo.The reason is that the subatomic particles in the Standard Model are the basis, the foundation of everything we know about the Big Bang, everything we know about the universe, cosmic rays (and) black holes.So if that theory is wrong, then we are really in trouble. It means we have to throw out what is called the Standard Model — and even string theory would be in danger because string theory also has a Higgs boson. ...It will be a disaster if we don't find Higgs boson, because basically the entire edifice of modern physics depends upon it."Creation theory may be wrong collider hasn t found God particle



b. Uh oh...."When the Large Hadron Collider at CERN Laboratory in Geneva closed down for upgrades in early 2013The grand flo, its collisions had failed to yield any of dozens of particles that many theorists had included in their equations for more than 30 years.The grand flop suggests that researchers may have taken a wrong turn decades ago in their understanding of how to calculate the masses of particles.


Yet decades after their prediction,none of the supersymmetric particles have been found.“That’s what the Large Hadron Collider has been looking for, but it hasn’t seen anything,” said Savas Dimopoulos, a professor of particle physics at Stanford University who helped develop the supersymmetry hypothesis in the early 1980s. “Somehow, the Higgs is not protected.”


....many physicists have grown increasingly convinced that the theory has failed.Just last month at the International Conference of High-Energy Physics in Valencia, Spain, researchers analyzing the largest data set yet from the LHC found no evidence of supersymmetric particles. (The data also strongly disfavors an alternative proposal called “technicolor.”)"
Radical New Theory Could Kill the Multiverse Hypothesis WIRED


Now...back under your rock.

Look at the date on your first citation from that Mormon paper which also has the position of their Church of a 6,000 year old Earth! It's dated Sept 1, 2011 which was 10 months BEFORE the Higgs boson was discovered on July 4, 2012. You are dead wrong again! That is another failed attempt at your political/religious propaganda.

Your second citation has no relevance concerning a single point I made and is just a bloody straw man. Damn, but you are really stupid to try that dodge. Simply because other super-symmetry models were not discovered between 2012 and 2014 doesn't mean they do not exist OH great champion of the of the Scientific Method! <snark>! Learn to read those articles you cite with a clearer eye, Chica, and you might save face a little more often.

You need a towel?

What's that???

You demand more of a beating???


Sure.

Some were far less kind in their analysis of the Higgs boson affair...

"I’ve just readThe Higgs Fakeby Alexander Unzicker. He says physicists such as Einstein would have considered the “discovery” of the Higgs boson to be utterly ridiculous. And more. Unzicker really rips into particle physics.

”something had to be found in the theoretical boxroom to inspire the next round of high energy experiments”.
Groan. Those of you who are old enough to remember might recall that the Higgs boson just didn’t feature in 1995. But now it does.


We have no electron model within theStandard Model. Instead we have what Unzicker described as epicycles.Because of groupthink and big science and singing in the choir.Because of mindcuffs and peer review and the”suppression of opinions that would endanger the sacred cows of an established field”.Oh it makes grim reading all right. All the more so when you know that particle physicists have painted themselves into a corner. They can’t admit that any of it is wrong. And yet, whilst they dismiss the turkey delusion, they know in their hearts that if things don’t change, they’re in for the chop."
Science on Sunday The Higgs Fake



. My interest in all of this isthe need for demonstrable credible scientific progress in the face of ever-increasing funding pressures.Physics now plays second fiddle to biochemistry. Physics is under threat because particle physics, the "queen of physics", hasdemonstrated no credible scientific progress in decades.(Ibid...comment from a reader)


Are you gettin' that?
There is the need to fund all those careers!!!



“Physics would appear to have gotten away with it: a decades-long campaign of hype, propaganda, and outright deception that saw a ragtag bunch of social misfits swindle the world out of billions of dollars,monies which as of this writing have not been returned. What follows is the story, if not of an outright hoax, then at least of the most audacious and effective PR campaign in the history of science.”
Higgs Boson and the Great Scam of Modern Physics - The Awl


Still think it's science?


Oooops!
I used "think" with reference to you!

My bad.

Your bad is right! Your first citation, http://bogpaper.com/the-higgs-fake/ , yields a 404 page error for a non-existent site; a typical Chica citation. Your second citation goes to an off the wall, non-authoritative OPINION site HQ'ed in NYC! I do not believe anything you have posted on this thread is about science, Chica! I am convinced that it is ALL about your propagandized agenda.

You have shown repeatedly that you do not understand the subject you initiated in the OP. When it's pointed out, you grab at straws trying fruitlessly to debunk authoritative and proven facts on the record and acknowledged by the scientific community at large, your lunatic fringe citation NOTWITHSTANDING!

WHY do you keep coming back for more humiliation? Are you also a masochist along with your other kinky traits, Chica? OOPS is right...you don't really think!

 

[Dot Com]

3. It is essential to separate what has come to be called 'science' from what really is science....or, rather, 'scientism.'


Scientism belief in the universal applicability of the scientific method and approach, and the view that empirical science constitutes the most "authoritative" worldview or the most valuable part of human learning—to the exclusion of other viewpoints.


Philosopher Michael Devitt, to mention but one, continues to proclaim that “there is only one way of knowing, the empirical way that is the basis of science!” http://12tuesday.com/discuss-an-interesting-quote-from-michael-devitt/


" The central theme in scientific method is that all evidence must be empirical which means it is based on evidence. In scientific method the word "empirical" refers to the use of working hypothesis that can be tested using observation and experiment.Empirical data is produced by experiment and observation.." Google






4. There is a tongue-in-cheek reference to what science has become, ...the term used is "SWAG."

It means a 'scientific wild ass guess."
It's meant to poke fun at folks who believe 'scientific' fact that are based on a confident and unquestioning belief,...sometimes called 'faith.'

Here's some examples of SWAG....

The Mulitiverse Theory
String theory
The Higgs boson
The universe created out of nothing.
Darwin's Theory of Evolution
Global Warming


What do these have in common?
All of 'em are of the modern fashion called 'science,' but are actually elements of a political agenda. One proof of that claim is that, to be a Liberal, one pretty much must accept them, e.g., 'the debate is over.'


a. But none of 'em are scientific....yet they are drooled over, praised,...accepted by the many infected with sciolism....
"A pretentious attitude of scholarship; superficial knowledgeability."
sciolism - definition of sciolism by The Free Dictionary

I just love reading your shit about shit that you don't know shit about trying to pass yourself off as some kind of bloody expert; especially using a Google definition to try and seem so knowledgeable of things which you are so woefully ignorant!

Then to try to explain the term SWAG by totally twisting and distorting its meaning by applying the term to inappropriate topics is beyond the pale. One case in point is the Higgs boson.

The Higgs boson was discovered, READ THAT AS PROVEN, on July 4, 2012 at CERN's Large Hadron Collider in Switzerland*. The THEORY of the Higgs boson existence was proven by EXPERIMENTATION. That proof was obtained by application of the scientific method, which you disparaged as SWAG. That discovery has far reaching implications covering a few more items on your list , the Multiverse theory, String Theory, and the Big Bang theory that you called "the universe created out of nothing". < * Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory >

Theories are just theories requiring investigation until they are proven with empirical evidence, then they become science fact. Your evangelical slant to deride the scientific method is nothing more than a propaganda ploy for your types' own purposes. Galileo Galilei suffered the same political/religious stupidity from the Roman Inquisition simply because he championed the heliocentric theory of Nicolaus Copernicus of the previous century rather than going along with the Papists decree of the planets and sun revolving around the earth.

Now for a practical example of SWAG from my own work, I will employ second and third approximations in my own circuit designs rather than fill up a tablet or computer screen with transforms drawing on years of experience of similar designs of type. Your definition is nothing but a distortion of fact to suit your agenda of maintaining or reestablishing the political and religious status quo.

Your vulgarity is disgusting...but, then, so are you....
The vulgarity is a reflection of how frequently I've had to slap you around.

.....the "God particle,"the Higgs boson.


a. "[ Michio Kaku is an American futurist, theoretical physicist ] explained the importance of the God particle this way ina radio interview,"If we don't find the Higgs boson we are in deep trouble. We are in deep doo-doo.The reason is that the subatomic particles in the Standard Model are the basis, the foundation of everything we know about the Big Bang, everything we know about the universe, cosmic rays (and) black holes.So if that theory is wrong, then we are really in trouble. It means we have to throw out what is called the Standard Model — and even string theory would be in danger because string theory also has a Higgs boson. ...It will be a disaster if we don't find Higgs boson, because basically the entire edifice of modern physics depends upon it."Creation theory may be wrong collider hasn t found God particle



b. Uh oh...."When the Large Hadron Collider at CERN Laboratory in Geneva closed down for upgrades in early 2013The grand flo, its collisions had failed to yield any of dozens of particles that many theorists had included in their equations for more than 30 years.The grand flop suggests that researchers may have taken a wrong turn decades ago in their understanding of how to calculate the masses of particles.


Yet decades after their prediction,none of the supersymmetric particles have been found.“That’s what the Large Hadron Collider has been looking for, but it hasn’t seen anything,” said Savas Dimopoulos, a professor of particle physics at Stanford University who helped develop the supersymmetry hypothesis in the early 1980s. “Somehow, the Higgs is not protected.”


....many physicists have grown increasingly convinced that the theory has failed.Just last month at the International Conference of High-Energy Physics in Valencia, Spain, researchers analyzing the largest data set yet from the LHC found no evidence of supersymmetric particles. (The data also strongly disfavors an alternative proposal called “technicolor.”)"
Radical New Theory Could Kill the Multiverse Hypothesis WIRED


Now...back under your rock.

Look at the date on your first citation from that Mormon paper which also has the position of their Church of a 6,000 year old Earth! It's dated Sept 1, 2011 which was 10 months BEFORE the Higgs boson was discovered on July 4, 2012. You are dead wrong again! That is another failed attempt at your political/religious propaganda.

Your second citation has no relevance concerning a single point I made and is just a bloody straw man. Damn, but you are really stupid to try that dodge. Simply because other super-symmetry models were not discovered between 2012 and 2014 doesn't mean they do not exist OH great champion of the of the Scientific Method! <snark>! Learn to read those articles you cite with a clearer eye, Chica, and you might save face a little more often.

You need a towel?

What's that???

You demand more of a beating???


Sure.

Some were far less kind in their analysis of the Higgs boson affair...

"I’ve just readThe Higgs Fakeby Alexander Unzicker. He says physicists such as Einstein would have considered the “discovery” of the Higgs boson to be utterly ridiculous. And more. Unzicker really rips into particle physics.

”something had to be found in the theoretical boxroom to inspire the next round of high energy experiments”.
Groan. Those of you who are old enough to remember might recall that the Higgs boson just didn’t feature in 1995. But now it does.


We have no electron model within theStandard Model. Instead we have what Unzicker described as epicycles.Because of groupthink and big science and singing in the choir.Because of mindcuffs and peer review and the”suppression of opinions that would endanger the sacred cows of an established field”.Oh it makes grim reading all right. All the more so when you know that particle physicists have painted themselves into a corner. They can’t admit that any of it is wrong. And yet, whilst they dismiss the turkey delusion, they know in their hearts that if things don’t change, they’re in for the chop."
Science on Sunday The Higgs Fake



. My interest in all of this isthe need for demonstrable credible scientific progress in the face of ever-increasing funding pressures.Physics now plays second fiddle to biochemistry. Physics is under threat because particle physics, the "queen of physics", hasdemonstrated no credible scientific progress in decades.(Ibid...comment from a reader)


Are you gettin' that?
There is the need to fund all those careers!!!



“Physics would appear to have gotten away with it: a decades-long campaign of hype, propaganda, and outright deception that saw a ragtag bunch of social misfits swindle the world out of billions of dollars,monies which as of this writing have not been returned. What follows is the story, if not of an outright hoax, then at least of the most audacious and effective PR campaign in the history of science.”
Higgs Boson and the Great Scam of Modern Physics - The Awl


Still think it's science?


Oooops!
I used "think" with reference to you!

My bad.

Your bad is right! Your first citation, http://bogpaper.com/the-higgs-fake/ , yields a 404 page error for a non-existent site; a typical Chica citation. Your second citation goes to an off the wall, non-authoritative OPINION site HQ'ed in NYC! I do not believe anything you have posted on this thread is about science, Chica! I am convinced that it is ALL about your propagandized agenda.

You have shown repeatedly that you do not understand the subject you initiated in the OP. When it's pointed out, you grab at straws trying fruitlessly to debunk authoritative and proven facts on the record and acknowledged by the scientific community at large, your lunatic fringe citation NOTWITHSTANDING!

WHY do you keep coming back for more humiliation? Are you also a masochist along with your other kinky traits, Chica? OOPS is right...you don't really think!

Thats our PoliSpice

 

[PoliticalChic]

3. It is essential to separate what has come to be called 'science' from what really is science....or, rather, 'scientism.'


Scientism belief in the universal applicability of the scientific method and approach, and the view that empirical science constitutes the most "authoritative" worldview or the most valuable part of human learning—to the exclusion of other viewpoints.


Philosopher Michael Devitt, to mention but one, continues to proclaim that “there is only one way of knowing, the empirical way that is the basis of science!” http://12tuesday.com/discuss-an-interesting-quote-from-michael-devitt/


" The central theme in scientific method is that all evidence must be empirical which means it is based on evidence. In scientific method the word "empirical" refers to the use of working hypothesis that can be tested using observation and experiment.Empirical data is produced by experiment and observation.." Google






4. There is a tongue-in-cheek reference to what science has become, ...the term used is "SWAG."

It means a 'scientific wild ass guess."
It's meant to poke fun at folks who believe 'scientific' fact that are based on a confident and unquestioning belief,...sometimes called 'faith.'

Here's some examples of SWAG....

The Mulitiverse Theory
String theory
The Higgs boson
The universe created out of nothing.
Darwin's Theory of Evolution
Global Warming


What do these have in common?
All of 'em are of the modern fashion called 'science,' but are actually elements of a political agenda. One proof of that claim is that, to be a Liberal, one pretty much must accept them, e.g., 'the debate is over.'


a. But none of 'em are scientific....yet they are drooled over, praised,...accepted by the many infected with sciolism....
"A pretentious attitude of scholarship; superficial knowledgeability."
sciolism - definition of sciolism by The Free Dictionary

I just love reading your shit about shit that you don't know shit about trying to pass yourself off as some kind of bloody expert; especially using a Google definition to try and seem so knowledgeable of things which you are so woefully ignorant!

Then to try to explain the term SWAG by totally twisting and distorting its meaning by applying the term to inappropriate topics is beyond the pale. One case in point is the Higgs boson.

The Higgs boson was discovered, READ THAT AS PROVEN, on July 4, 2012 at CERN's Large Hadron Collider in Switzerland*. The THEORY of the Higgs boson existence was proven by EXPERIMENTATION. That proof was obtained by application of the scientific method, which you disparaged as SWAG. That discovery has far reaching implications covering a few more items on your list , the Multiverse theory, String Theory, and the Big Bang theory that you called "the universe created out of nothing". < * Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory >

Theories are just theories requiring investigation until they are proven with empirical evidence, then they become science fact. Your evangelical slant to deride the scientific method is nothing more than a propaganda ploy for your types' own purposes. Galileo Galilei suffered the same political/religious stupidity from the Roman Inquisition simply because he championed the heliocentric theory of Nicolaus Copernicus of the previous century rather than going along with the Papists decree of the planets and sun revolving around the earth.

Now for a practical example of SWAG from my own work, I will employ second and third approximations in my own circuit designs rather than fill up a tablet or computer screen with transforms drawing on years of experience of similar designs of type. Your definition is nothing but a distortion of fact to suit your agenda of maintaining or reestablishing the political and religious status quo.

Your vulgarity is disgusting...but, then, so are you....
The vulgarity is a reflection of how frequently I've had to slap you around.

.....the "God particle,"the Higgs boson.


a. "[ Michio Kaku is an American futurist, theoretical physicist ] explained the importance of the God particle this way ina radio interview,"If we don't find the Higgs boson we are in deep trouble. We are in deep doo-doo.The reason is that the subatomic particles in the Standard Model are the basis, the foundation of everything we know about the Big Bang, everything we know about the universe, cosmic rays (and) black holes.So if that theory is wrong, then we are really in trouble. It means we have to throw out what is called the Standard Model — and even string theory would be in danger because string theory also has a Higgs boson. ...It will be a disaster if we don't find Higgs boson, because basically the entire edifice of modern physics depends upon it."Creation theory may be wrong collider hasn t found God particle



b. Uh oh...."When the Large Hadron Collider at CERN Laboratory in Geneva closed down for upgrades in early 2013The grand flo, its collisions had failed to yield any of dozens of particles that many theorists had included in their equations for more than 30 years.The grand flop suggests that researchers may have taken a wrong turn decades ago in their understanding of how to calculate the masses of particles.


Yet decades after their prediction,none of the supersymmetric particles have been found.“That’s what the Large Hadron Collider has been looking for, but it hasn’t seen anything,” said Savas Dimopoulos, a professor of particle physics at Stanford University who helped develop the supersymmetry hypothesis in the early 1980s. “Somehow, the Higgs is not protected.”


....many physicists have grown increasingly convinced that the theory has failed.Just last month at the International Conference of High-Energy Physics in Valencia, Spain, researchers analyzing the largest data set yet from the LHC found no evidence of supersymmetric particles. (The data also strongly disfavors an alternative proposal called “technicolor.”)"
Radical New Theory Could Kill the Multiverse Hypothesis WIRED


Now...back under your rock.

Look at the date on your first citation from that Mormon paper which also has the position of their Church of a 6,000 year old Earth! It's dated Sept 1, 2011 which was 10 months BEFORE the Higgs boson was discovered on July 4, 2012. You are dead wrong again! That is another failed attempt at your political/religious propaganda.

Your second citation has no relevance concerning a single point I made and is just a bloody straw man. Damn, but you are really stupid to try that dodge. Simply because other super-symmetry models were not discovered between 2012 and 2014 doesn't mean they do not exist OH great champion of the of the Scientific Method! <snark>! Learn to read those articles you cite with a clearer eye, Chica, and you might save face a little more often.

You need a towel?

What's that???

You demand more of a beating???


Sure.

Some were far less kind in their analysis of the Higgs boson affair...

"I’ve just readThe Higgs Fakeby Alexander Unzicker. He says physicists such as Einstein would have considered the “discovery” of the Higgs boson to be utterly ridiculous. And more. Unzicker really rips into particle physics.

”something had to be found in the theoretical boxroom to inspire the next round of high energy experiments”.
Groan. Those of you who are old enough to remember might recall that the Higgs boson just didn’t feature in 1995. But now it does.


We have no electron model within theStandard Model. Instead we have what Unzicker described as epicycles.Because of groupthink and big science and singing in the choir.Because of mindcuffs and peer review and the”suppression of opinions that would endanger the sacred cows of an established field”.Oh it makes grim reading all right. All the more so when you know that particle physicists have painted themselves into a corner. They can’t admit that any of it is wrong. And yet, whilst they dismiss the turkey delusion, they know in their hearts that if things don’t change, they’re in for the chop."
Science on Sunday The Higgs Fake



. My interest in all of this isthe need for demonstrable credible scientific progress in the face of ever-increasing funding pressures.Physics now plays second fiddle to biochemistry. Physics is under threat because particle physics, the "queen of physics", hasdemonstrated no credible scientific progress in decades.(Ibid...comment from a reader)


Are you gettin' that?
There is the need to fund all those careers!!!



“Physics would appear to have gotten away with it: a decades-long campaign of hype, propaganda, and outright deception that saw a ragtag bunch of social misfits swindle the world out of billions of dollars,monies which as of this writing have not been returned. What follows is the story, if not of an outright hoax, then at least of the most audacious and effective PR campaign in the history of science.”
Higgs Boson and the Great Scam of Modern Physics - The Awl


Still think it's science?


Oooops!
I used "think" with reference to you!

My bad.

Your bad is right! Your first citation, http://bogpaper.com/the-higgs-fake/ , yields a 404 page error for a non-existent site; a typical Chica citation. Your second citation goes to an off the wall, non-authoritative OPINION site HQ'ed in NYC! I do not believe anything you have posted on this thread is about science, Chica! I am convinced that it is ALL about your propagandized agenda.

You have shown repeatedly that you do not understand the subject you initiated in the OP. When it's pointed out, you grab at straws trying fruitlessly to debunk authoritative and proven facts on the record and acknowledged by the scientific community at large, your lunatic fringe citation NOTWITHSTANDING!

WHY do you keep coming back for more humiliation? Are you also a masochist along with your other kinky traits, Chica? OOPS is right...you don't really think!

I just love kicking the stuffing our of you.....

....and there sure is a lot of stuffing.

Here you go:
The Higgs was a scam designed to squeeze billions of bucks out of dunces like you.


It was a fake....y'know.....like you.


"The Higgs boson junkies remind me of the science fiction junkies that believe that Star Trek science fiction is real - where spaceships travel at Warp factor 10 (infinite speed), teleportation is real, and terraforming planets is as easy as baking a cake.


"Unzicker's book starts off by claiming:

"The 2013 Nobel Prize for the discovery of the Higgs boson would have been considered ridiculous by physics' greatest minds such as Einstein, Schr"dinger or Dirac."

The Higgs has not been proven and it never will be proven. The results can't be duplicated and the test results rely on many models that are also not provable. We are proving the results by creating models and assumption that just are not valid. It is scientific dishonesty.
Lordknukle's Forums | Debate.org



Pleeezzzzeee....come back for more!!!



And remember: it's all about the benjamins!
'My interest in all of this is the need for demonstrable credible scientific progress in the face of ever-increasing funding pressures.Physics now plays second fiddle to biochemistry. Physics is under threat because particle physics, the "queen of physics", has demonstrated no credible scientific progress in decades.'(Ibid...comment from a reader)



Don't forget.....write soooooooooon!

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

I just love reading your shit about shit that you don't know shit about trying to pass yourself off as some kind of bloody expert; especially using a Google definition to try and seem so knowledgeable of things which you are so woefully ignorant!

Then to try to explain the term SWAG by totally twisting and distorting its meaning by applying the term to inappropriate topics is beyond the pale. One case in point is the Higgs boson.

The Higgs boson was discovered, READ THAT AS PROVEN, on July 4, 2012 at CERN's Large Hadron Collider in Switzerland*. The THEORY of the Higgs boson existence was proven by EXPERIMENTATION. That proof was obtained by application of the scientific method, which you disparaged as SWAG. That discovery has far reaching implications covering a few more items on your list , the Multiverse theory, String Theory, and the Big Bang theory that you called "the universe created out of nothing". < * Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory >

Theories are just theories requiring investigation until they are proven with empirical evidence, then they become science fact. Your evangelical slant to deride the scientific method is nothing more than a propaganda ploy for your types' own purposes. Galileo Galilei suffered the same political/religious stupidity from the Roman Inquisition simply because he championed the heliocentric theory of Nicolaus Copernicus of the previous century rather than going along with the Papists decree of the planets and sun revolving around the earth.

Now for a practical example of SWAG from my own work, I will employ second and third approximations in my own circuit designs rather than fill up a tablet or computer screen with transforms drawing on years of experience of similar designs of type. Your definition is nothing but a distortion of fact to suit your agenda of maintaining or reestablishing the political and religious status quo.

It was just last week that Chica stated unequivocally that she was an expert about everything she posts. that boast certainly cannot be sustained by her knowledge of thing "scientific". Which reminds me of a Heinlein short story that will keep for another day!

Your vulgarity is disgusting...but, then, so are you....
The vulgarity is a reflection of how frequently I've had to slap you around.

.....the "God particle,"the Higgs boson.


a. "[ Michio Kaku is an American futurist, theoretical physicist ] explained the importance of the God particle this way ina radio interview,"If we don't find the Higgs boson we are in deep trouble. We are in deep doo-doo.The reason is that the subatomic particles in the Standard Model are the basis, the foundation of everything we know about the Big Bang, everything we know about the universe, cosmic rays (and) black holes.So if that theory is wrong, then we are really in trouble. It means we have to throw out what is called the Standard Model — and even string theory would be in danger because string theory also has a Higgs boson. ...It will be a disaster if we don't find Higgs boson, because basically the entire edifice of modern physics depends upon it."Creation theory may be wrong collider hasn t found God particle



b. Uh oh...."When the Large Hadron Collider at CERN Laboratory in Geneva closed down for upgrades in early 2013The grand flo, its collisions had failed to yield any of dozens of particles that many theorists had included in their equations for more than 30 years.The grand flop suggests that researchers may have taken a wrong turn decades ago in their understanding of how to calculate the masses of particles.


Yet decades after their prediction,none of the supersymmetric particles have been found.“That’s what the Large Hadron Collider has been looking for, but it hasn’t seen anything,” said Savas Dimopoulos, a professor of particle physics at Stanford University who helped develop the supersymmetry hypothesis in the early 1980s. “Somehow, the Higgs is not protected.”


....many physicists have grown increasingly convinced that the theory has failed.Just last month at the International Conference of High-Energy Physics in Valencia, Spain, researchers analyzing the largest data set yet from the LHC found no evidence of supersymmetric particles. (The data also strongly disfavors an alternative proposal called “technicolor.”)"
Radical New Theory Could Kill the Multiverse Hypothesis WIRED


Now...back under your rock.

Look at the date on your first citation from that Mormon paper which also has the position of their Church of a 6,000 year old Earth! It's dated Sept 1, 2011 which was 10 months BEFORE the Higgs boson was discovered on July 4, 2012. You are dead wrong again! That is another failed attempt at your political/religious propaganda.

Your second citation has no relevance concerning a single point I made and is just a bloody straw man. Damn, but you are really stupid to try that dodge. Simply because other super-symmetry models were not discovered between 2012 and 2014 doesn't mean they do not exist OH great champion of the of the Scientific Method! <snark>! Learn to read those articles you cite with a clearer eye, Chica, and you might save face a little more often.

You need a towel?

What's that???

You demand more of a beating???


Sure.

Some were far less kind in their analysis of the Higgs boson affair...

"I’ve just readThe Higgs Fakeby Alexander Unzicker. He says physicists such as Einstein would have considered the “discovery” of the Higgs boson to be utterly ridiculous. And more. Unzicker really rips into particle physics.

”something had to be found in the theoretical boxroom to inspire the next round of high energy experiments”.
Groan. Those of you who are old enough to remember might recall that the Higgs boson just didn’t feature in 1995. But now it does.


We have no electron model within theStandard Model. Instead we have what Unzicker described as epicycles.Because of groupthink and big science and singing in the choir.Because of mindcuffs and peer review and the”suppression of opinions that would endanger the sacred cows of an established field”.Oh it makes grim reading all right. All the more so when you know that particle physicists have painted themselves into a corner. They can’t admit that any of it is wrong. And yet, whilst they dismiss the turkey delusion, they know in their hearts that if things don’t change, they’re in for the chop."
Science on Sunday The Higgs Fake



. My interest in all of this isthe need for demonstrable credible scientific progress in the face of ever-increasing funding pressures.Physics now plays second fiddle to biochemistry. Physics is under threat because particle physics, the "queen of physics", hasdemonstrated no credible scientific progress in decades.(Ibid...comment from a reader)


Are you gettin' that?
There is the need to fund all those careers!!!



“Physics would appear to have gotten away with it: a decades-long campaign of hype, propaganda, and outright deception that saw a ragtag bunch of social misfits swindle the world out of billions of dollars,monies which as of this writing have not been returned. What follows is the story, if not of an outright hoax, then at least of the most audacious and effective PR campaign in the history of science.”
Higgs Boson and the Great Scam of Modern Physics - The Awl


Still think it's science?


Oooops!
I used "think" with reference to you!

My bad.

Your bad is right! Your first citation, http://bogpaper.com/the-higgs-fake/ , yields a 404 page error for a non-existent site; a typical Chica citation. Your second citation goes to an off the wall, non-authoritative OPINION site HQ'ed in NYC! I do not believe anything you have posted on this thread is about science, Chica! I am convinced that it is ALL about your propagandized agenda.

You have shown repeatedly that you do not understand the subject you initiated in the OP. When it's pointed out, you grab at straws trying fruitlessly to debunk authoritative and proven facts on the record and acknowledged by the scientific community at large, your lunatic fringe citation NOTWITHSTANDING!

WHY do you keep coming back for more humiliation? Are you also a masochist along with your other kinky traits, Chica? OOPS is right...you don't really think!

Thats our PoliSpice

 

[PoliticalChic]

It was just last week that Chica stated unequivocally that she was an expert about everything she posts. that boast certainly cannot be sustained by her knowledge of thing "scientific". Which reminds me of a Heinlein short story that will keep for another day!

Your vulgarity is disgusting...but, then, so are you....
The vulgarity is a reflection of how frequently I've had to slap you around.

.....the "God particle,"the Higgs boson.


a. "[ Michio Kaku is an American futurist, theoretical physicist ] explained the importance of the God particle this way ina radio interview,"If we don't find the Higgs boson we are in deep trouble. We are in deep doo-doo.The reason is that the subatomic particles in the Standard Model are the basis, the foundation of everything we know about the Big Bang, everything we know about the universe, cosmic rays (and) black holes.So if that theory is wrong, then we are really in trouble. It means we have to throw out what is called the Standard Model — and even string theory would be in danger because string theory also has a Higgs boson. ...It will be a disaster if we don't find Higgs boson, because basically the entire edifice of modern physics depends upon it."Creation theory may be wrong collider hasn t found God particle



b. Uh oh...."When the Large Hadron Collider at CERN Laboratory in Geneva closed down for upgrades in early 2013The grand flo, its collisions had failed to yield any of dozens of particles that many theorists had included in their equations for more than 30 years.The grand flop suggests that researchers may have taken a wrong turn decades ago in their understanding of how to calculate the masses of particles.


Yet decades after their prediction,none of the supersymmetric particles have been found.“That’s what the Large Hadron Collider has been looking for, but it hasn’t seen anything,” said Savas Dimopoulos, a professor of particle physics at Stanford University who helped develop the supersymmetry hypothesis in the early 1980s. “Somehow, the Higgs is not protected.”


....many physicists have grown increasingly convinced that the theory has failed.Just last month at the International Conference of High-Energy Physics in Valencia, Spain, researchers analyzing the largest data set yet from the LHC found no evidence of supersymmetric particles. (The data also strongly disfavors an alternative proposal called “technicolor.”)"
Radical New Theory Could Kill the Multiverse Hypothesis WIRED


Now...back under your rock.

Look at the date on your first citation from that Mormon paper which also has the position of their Church of a 6,000 year old Earth! It's dated Sept 1, 2011 which was 10 months BEFORE the Higgs boson was discovered on July 4, 2012. You are dead wrong again! That is another failed attempt at your political/religious propaganda.

Your second citation has no relevance concerning a single point I made and is just a bloody straw man. Damn, but you are really stupid to try that dodge. Simply because other super-symmetry models were not discovered between 2012 and 2014 doesn't mean they do not exist OH great champion of the of the Scientific Method! <snark>! Learn to read those articles you cite with a clearer eye, Chica, and you might save face a little more often.

You need a towel?

What's that???

You demand more of a beating???


Sure.

Some were far less kind in their analysis of the Higgs boson affair...

"I’ve just readThe Higgs Fakeby Alexander Unzicker. He says physicists such as Einstein would have considered the “discovery” of the Higgs boson to be utterly ridiculous. And more. Unzicker really rips into particle physics.

”something had to be found in the theoretical boxroom to inspire the next round of high energy experiments”.
Groan. Those of you who are old enough to remember might recall that the Higgs boson just didn’t feature in 1995. But now it does.


We have no electron model within theStandard Model. Instead we have what Unzicker described as epicycles.Because of groupthink and big science and singing in the choir.Because of mindcuffs and peer review and the”suppression of opinions that would endanger the sacred cows of an established field”.Oh it makes grim reading all right. All the more so when you know that particle physicists have painted themselves into a corner. They can’t admit that any of it is wrong. And yet, whilst they dismiss the turkey delusion, they know in their hearts that if things don’t change, they’re in for the chop."
Science on Sunday The Higgs Fake



. My interest in all of this isthe need for demonstrable credible scientific progress in the face of ever-increasing funding pressures.Physics now plays second fiddle to biochemistry. Physics is under threat because particle physics, the "queen of physics", hasdemonstrated no credible scientific progress in decades.(Ibid...comment from a reader)


Are you gettin' that?
There is the need to fund all those careers!!!



“Physics would appear to have gotten away with it: a decades-long campaign of hype, propaganda, and outright deception that saw a ragtag bunch of social misfits swindle the world out of billions of dollars,monies which as of this writing have not been returned. What follows is the story, if not of an outright hoax, then at least of the most audacious and effective PR campaign in the history of science.”
Higgs Boson and the Great Scam of Modern Physics - The Awl


Still think it's science?


Oooops!
I used "think" with reference to you!

My bad.

Your bad is right! Your first citation, http://bogpaper.com/the-higgs-fake/ , yields a 404 page error for a non-existent site; a typical Chica citation. Your second citation goes to an off the wall, non-authoritative OPINION site HQ'ed in NYC! I do not believe anything you have posted on this thread is about science, Chica! I am convinced that it is ALL about your propagandized agenda.

You have shown repeatedly that you do not understand the subject you initiated in the OP. When it's pointed out, you grab at straws trying fruitlessly to debunk authoritative and proven facts on the record and acknowledged by the scientific community at large, your lunatic fringe citation NOTWITHSTANDING!

WHY do you keep coming back for more humiliation? Are you also a masochist along with your other kinky traits, Chica? OOPS is right...you don't really think!

Thats our PoliSpice

You didn't write anything......

....that makes this the smartest post you ever provided!!!



C'mon.....gimme another shot at the Higgs scam.

 

[Dot Com]

perhaps the monies could be invested into OP's major- creative writing

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

I just love reading your shit about shit that you don't know shit about trying to pass yourself off as some kind of bloody expert; especially using a Google definition to try and seem so knowledgeable of things which you are so woefully ignorant!

Then to try to explain the term SWAG by totally twisting and distorting its meaning by applying the term to inappropriate topics is beyond the pale. One case in point is the Higgs boson.

The Higgs boson was discovered, READ THAT AS PROVEN, on July 4, 2012 at CERN's Large Hadron Collider in Switzerland*. The THEORY of the Higgs boson existence was proven by EXPERIMENTATION. That proof was obtained by application of the scientific method, which you disparaged as SWAG. That discovery has far reaching implications covering a few more items on your list , the Multiverse theory, String Theory, and the Big Bang theory that you called "the universe created out of nothing". < * Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory >

Theories are just theories requiring investigation until they are proven with empirical evidence, then they become science fact. Your evangelical slant to deride the scientific method is nothing more than a propaganda ploy for your types' own purposes. Galileo Galilei suffered the same political/religious stupidity from the Roman Inquisition simply because he championed the heliocentric theory of Nicolaus Copernicus of the previous century rather than going along with the Papists decree of the planets and sun revolving around the earth.

Now for a practical example of SWAG from my own work, I will employ second and third approximations in my own circuit designs rather than fill up a tablet or computer screen with transforms drawing on years of experience of similar designs of type. Your definition is nothing but a distortion of fact to suit your agenda of maintaining or reestablishing the political and religious status quo.

Your vulgarity is disgusting...but, then, so are you....
The vulgarity is a reflection of how frequently I've had to slap you around.

.....the "God particle,"the Higgs boson.


a. "[ Michio Kaku is an American futurist, theoretical physicist ] explained the importance of the God particle this way ina radio interview,"If we don't find the Higgs boson we are in deep trouble. We are in deep doo-doo.The reason is that the subatomic particles in the Standard Model are the basis, the foundation of everything we know about the Big Bang, everything we know about the universe, cosmic rays (and) black holes.So if that theory is wrong, then we are really in trouble. It means we have to throw out what is called the Standard Model — and even string theory would be in danger because string theory also has a Higgs boson. ...It will be a disaster if we don't find Higgs boson, because basically the entire edifice of modern physics depends upon it."Creation theory may be wrong collider hasn t found God particle



b. Uh oh...."When the Large Hadron Collider at CERN Laboratory in Geneva closed down for upgrades in early 2013The grand flo, its collisions had failed to yield any of dozens of particles that many theorists had included in their equations for more than 30 years.The grand flop suggests that researchers may have taken a wrong turn decades ago in their understanding of how to calculate the masses of particles.


Yet decades after their prediction,none of the supersymmetric particles have been found.“That’s what the Large Hadron Collider has been looking for, but it hasn’t seen anything,” said Savas Dimopoulos, a professor of particle physics at Stanford University who helped develop the supersymmetry hypothesis in the early 1980s. “Somehow, the Higgs is not protected.”


....many physicists have grown increasingly convinced that the theory has failed.Just last month at the International Conference of High-Energy Physics in Valencia, Spain, researchers analyzing the largest data set yet from the LHC found no evidence of supersymmetric particles. (The data also strongly disfavors an alternative proposal called “technicolor.”)"
Radical New Theory Could Kill the Multiverse Hypothesis WIRED


Now...back under your rock.

Look at the date on your first citation from that Mormon paper which also has the position of their Church of a 6,000 year old Earth! It's dated Sept 1, 2011 which was 10 months BEFORE the Higgs boson was discovered on July 4, 2012. You are dead wrong again! That is another failed attempt at your political/religious propaganda.

Your second citation has no relevance concerning a single point I made and is just a bloody straw man. Damn, but you are really stupid to try that dodge. Simply because other super-symmetry models were not discovered between 2012 and 2014 doesn't mean they do not exist OH great champion of the of the Scientific Method! <snark>! Learn to read those articles you cite with a clearer eye, Chica, and you might save face a little more often.

You need a towel?

What's that???

You demand more of a beating???


Sure.

Some were far less kind in their analysis of the Higgs boson affair...

"I’ve just readThe Higgs Fakeby Alexander Unzicker. He says physicists such as Einstein would have considered the “discovery” of the Higgs boson to be utterly ridiculous. And more. Unzicker really rips into particle physics.

”something had to be found in the theoretical boxroom to inspire the next round of high energy experiments”.
Groan. Those of you who are old enough to remember might recall that the Higgs boson just didn’t feature in 1995. But now it does.


We have no electron model within theStandard Model. Instead we have what Unzicker described as epicycles.Because of groupthink and big science and singing in the choir.Because of mindcuffs and peer review and the”suppression of opinions that would endanger the sacred cows of an established field”.Oh it makes grim reading all right. All the more so when you know that particle physicists have painted themselves into a corner. They can’t admit that any of it is wrong. And yet, whilst they dismiss the turkey delusion, they know in their hearts that if things don’t change, they’re in for the chop."
Science on Sunday The Higgs Fake



. My interest in all of this isthe need for demonstrable credible scientific progress in the face of ever-increasing funding pressures.Physics now plays second fiddle to biochemistry. Physics is under threat because particle physics, the "queen of physics", hasdemonstrated no credible scientific progress in decades.(Ibid...comment from a reader)


Are you gettin' that?
There is the need to fund all those careers!!!



“Physics would appear to have gotten away with it: a decades-long campaign of hype, propaganda, and outright deception that saw a ragtag bunch of social misfits swindle the world out of billions of dollars,monies which as of this writing have not been returned. What follows is the story, if not of an outright hoax, then at least of the most audacious and effective PR campaign in the history of science.”
Higgs Boson and the Great Scam of Modern Physics - The Awl


Still think it's science?


Oooops!
I used "think" with reference to you!

My bad.

Your bad is right! Your first citation, http://bogpaper.com/the-higgs-fake/ , yields a 404 page error for a non-existent site; a typical Chica citation. Your second citation goes to an off the wall, non-authoritative OPINION site HQ'ed in NYC! I do not believe anything you have posted on this thread is about science, Chica! I am convinced that it is ALL about your propagandized agenda.

You have shown repeatedly that you do not understand the subject you initiated in the OP. When it's pointed out, you grab at straws trying fruitlessly to debunk authoritative and proven facts on the record and acknowledged by the scientific community at large, your lunatic fringe citation NOTWITHSTANDING!

WHY do you keep coming back for more humiliation? Are you also a masochist along with your other kinky traits, Chica? OOPS is right...you don't really think!

I just love kicking the stuffing our of you.....

....and there sure is a lot of stuffing.

Here you go:
The Higgs was a scam designed to squeeze billions of bucks out of dunces like you.


It was a fake....y'know.....like you.


"The Higgs boson junkies remind me of the science fiction junkies that believe that Star Trek science fiction is real - where spaceships travel at Warp factor 10 (infinite speed), teleportation is real, and terraforming planets is as easy as baking a cake.


"Unzicker's book starts off by claiming:

"The 2013 Nobel Prize for the discovery of the Higgs boson would have been considered ridiculous by physics' greatest minds such as Einstein, Schr"dinger or Dirac."

The Higgs has not been proven and it never will be proven. The results can't be duplicated and the test results rely on many models that are also not provable. We are proving the results by creating models and assumption that just are not valid. It is scientific dishonesty.
Lordknukle's Forums | Debate.org



Pleeezzzzeee....come back for more!!!



And remember: it's all about the benjamins!
'My interest in all of this is the need for demonstrable credible scientific progress in the face of ever-increasing funding pressures.Physics now plays second fiddle to biochemistry. Physics is under threat because particle physics, the "queen of physics", has demonstrated no credible scientific progress in decades.'(Ibid...comment from a reader)



Don't forget.....write soooooooooon!

Oh but those straws keep slipping from your hand, Chica! Now you cite a damn DEBATE FORUM as scientific proof and the non-scientific babble from two sides in the debate are to be taken as Gospel evidence of a scam in spite of Englert and Higgs being awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics in 2013. OH but you are, "...so very, very scientific...", Chica! So much for your expertise on things relevant to the sciences!

Who are you going to cite next, a neighbor in your five-story walkup who was a kosher butcher and read chicken entrails?

 

[CowboyTed]

As opposed to getting your marching orders from "The Big Book of Myths and Fables".

So.....we can stipulate that you were irked by the posts...but were unable to find a single error of any kind.


Seems to be the pattern when those who live to be fooled, post.

I would argue with you but your a clueless fucking idiot with clueless fucking idiot threads everyday....

Honestly if you tolf me the sky is blue I would check outside, you have no credibility or any objective reasoning...

Obama could kill the lot of you in the morning if he told you to breath...