Trump Has A First Amendment Right To Say The Election Was Stolen

[billyerock123]

What makes the NY case weak is it's complexity. It's going to be very easy for the prosecutor to prove that Trump falsified business records, however those are just criminal misdemeanors. In order for those misdemeanors to become felonies, the prosecutor has to prove that they were connected to other crimes that were done by Cohen working as an agent for Trump. Some of the crimes were committed by people working for Cohen. Those other crimes involve violations of state and federal election laws, laws that govern setting up of shell corporations and movement of money through them.

The Fact that Clinton, Biden or whoever was not charged with violating a classified document law is not a valid defense that Trump can use. It might be a good defense in the court of public opinion but not in a court of law.

It’s obvious you haven’t been listening to the real news

If any one of 12 votes not guilty and sticks with it, Trump will walk.

Well if they would get a no vote they would have to say no on all 34 counts … good luck with that wishful thinking …

 

[billyerock123]

All of your cult's cases are exceptionally weak. The NY scam particularly

Good luck with that wishful thinking on your part … he’s going to jail…

 

[para bellum]

It’s obvious you haven’t been listening to the real news

Ahhh, yes. The "Real News". That's where we went wrong...

Well if they would get a no vote they would have to say no on all 34 counts … good luck with that wishful thinking …

A "not guilty" on one count would almost have to translate to a "not guilty" on all counts. There were 17 invoices. 17 times an invoice was entered into the accounting system, and 17 times the GL was updated when the payment was posted. Total number of "falsifications" is 34.

There is no difference between one invoice and another. They are just repetitions of the same thing. It would not make sense to say entering the invoice was legal but paying it was not legal, and it would not make sense to say that one invoice is a crime and another one is not a crime.

 

[billyerock123]

Every time I read about these Jan 6th hearings, all I ever hear is that they are building a case that the so-called insurrection happened because Trump kept on saying that the election was stolen, his supporters believed him, and then some of them rioted, attacking the Capitol. They are finding evidence after evidence after evidence to prove that Trump claimed the election was stolen (not that we didn't know that in the first place) but the kangaroo hearing has to prove Trump repeatedly said the election was stolen even though everyone already knows he's said that many times. What a farce!

So what? Trump has a first amendment right to say the election was stolen, as many times as he wants to say it. That doesn't make him legally responsible if others believe the so called "big lie" and then riot and attack the Capitol. That's on them, not on Trump. Democrats called the 2016 election stolen for years and took steps to overthrow Trump. Where are the investigations of them? Oh, wait a minute. I spoke too soon. Those investigations are coming when Republicans take over the House after the midterms.

stop reading Fox or News Max ... they have the case built... they are ready to go after Trump ... what's taking so long is Trump has a shit load of appeals going on in the court ...until they get answered by the court we wait... as for the bull shit thoughts you have here I'm still laughing at you... When Trump told the crowd to go down to the capitol and fight them to take back our country... that's a felony inciting to riot ... where 5 were killed and 100 plus injured ... it's a crime for him to say that to the crowd... this bs they are trying to go after him because he said the election was stolen, where you seem to imply that was what they are going after him for ... guess again you idiot ...

nobody is going after him for saying the election was stolen... that's your right-wing nut jobs telling you this bull shit ... again nobody on the left ever said the 2016 election was stolen ... they did say questionable practices were not right.... for instance in Georgia... the day before the election they did a voters purge ... republicans seem to do this all the time ... 100,000 voters were purged they tried it again in 2018 and 20 but the dems stopped them through the courts ... it's obvious you haven't been paying attention to the poling ... you're going to see the republicans lose more seats than they ever have ... the Dems are ahead in the senate and the house polling between 10% to 25% more supporters ... they could care less about saying he was cheated ... that still makes you look like an uninformed fool ... trump said the election was stolen an we want to put him in jail for it ... I'm still laughing at you... you've got to be the biggest mofo here who is clueless ... I'm still laughing at you ...

 

[billyerock123]

If it’s a crime to say “we have to fight” or other such language in a political speech, prosecutors are gonna be busy.




One of your fellow TDS sufferers got mighty huffy when I said that Trump was being prosecuted for making a speech. Saying things to a crowd is literally making a speech.

could care less what one other said ... you can't say the things to a crowd that Trump did... is called inciting to riot ... his saying this thing got 5 people killed because he wanted to push his lie ... that the election was stolen... he will go to jail over this one too ... ...

 

[billyerock123]

Well you claimed all these people were guilty of insurrection.

"Another repub-lie-clown that hasn't a clue ... he says nobody has been convicted of insurrection must of missed these guys 3 years later, Jan. 6 by the numbers: More than 1,200 charged, more than 460 imprisoned for a role in the Capitol attack you seem to missed the 460 3 years later, Jan. 6 by the numbers: More than 1,200 charged, more than 460 imprisoned for role in Capitol attack"

Insurrection is a crime that is punishable under 18 USC 2383. None of the people you claim were convicted of insurrection were charged with insurrection. To charge someone with insurrection, the event has to meet the legal definition of insurrection, and J6 does not.

"The legal definition of “engaging in insurrection or rebellion” did not require taking up arms and levying war against the United States, but came from the militia act of 1795—a predecessor of the Insurrection Act of 1807—which gave the President certain powers in case of insurrection or rebellion. Per that act—and the Insurrection Act that followed, which remains as amended on the books today— insurrections and rebellions consisted of either uprising and threatening the government of a state, leading the state’s legislature to petition for federal intervention, or opposing or obstructing the
execution of the laws of the United States “by combinations too powerful to be suppressed by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, or by the power vested in the marshals.” In either case, the President must make a proclamation ordering a cessation of the uprising and “it is only after disobedience to that proclamation” that it can duly be considered insurrection or rebellion."

Disloyalty & Disqualification: Reconstructing Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment

To become President of the United States, you must be constitutionally qualified. You must be thirty-five years old, a natural born citizen, and fourteen years a resident within the United States. Neither Congress nor any state can set this threshold higher; the same is true for congresspeople...

scholarship.law.wm.edu

My point is words have definitions, and a riot is not the same thing as an insurrection...

it turned into an insurrection when they built a gallows... broke into the capital searching for house and senate member to kill ...thaty my friend is a insurection ... any way you want to look at it ...

 

[GLASNOST]

Trump Has A First Amendment Right To Say The Election Was Stolen​

He also has an obligation to say it. He swore an oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

 

[there4eyeM]

Trump Has A First Amendment Right To Say The Election Was Stolen​

As with all "rights", there are always also obligations. In this case, given his position in the public eye, such a person is obligated to provide proof of such a seditious accusation.

 

[billyerock123]

Ahhh, yes. The "Real News". That's where we went wrong...

A "not guilty" on one count would almost have to translate to a "not guilty" on all counts. There were 17 invoices. 17 times an invoice was entered into the accounting system, and 17 times the GL was updated when the payment was posted. Total number of "falsifications" is 34.

There is no difference between one invoice and another. They are just repetitions of the same thing. It would not make sense to say entering the invoice was legal but paying it was not legal, and it would not make sense to say that one invoice is a crime and another one is not a crime.

sorry it doesn't work that way ... each count is voted on ...the odds that all would be a hung jury on all counts that a script for a TV show ... it is very rare that a 12-man jury would vote no 34 counts ... you keep your wishful thinking going on ... just Don't go any whackier then you are now..

 

[billyerock123]

Trump Has A First Amendment Right To Say The Election Was Stolen​

As with all "rights", there are always also obligations. In this case, given his position in the public eye, such a person is obligated to provide proof of such a seditious accusation.

who has said he can't say the election was stolen ??? not us Democrats... we could care less if he says the election was stolen why would we care ???? why are you even bringing this up .. they are currantly going after him for bribing a porn star ...who he has a trail of documents of him paying off two porn stars that's fraud and bribing that's what they are going to convict him of wit 32 other charges ... so again why are you trying to push this idea

 

[billyerock123]

Trump Has A First Amendment Right To Say The Election Was Stolen​

As with all "rights", there are always also obligations. In this case, given his position in the public eye, such a person is obligated to provide proof of such a seditious accusation.

as you implying that we say we are always right... we are only right when we have the proof... not until then ...

 

[Independentthinker]

stop reading Fox or News Max ... they have the case built... they are ready to go after Trump ... what's taking so long is Trump has a shit load of appeals going on in the court ...until they get answered by the court we wait... as for the bull shit thoughts you have here I'm still laughing at you... When Trump told the crowd to go down to the capitol and fight them to take back our country... that's a felony inciting to riot ... where 5 were killed and 100 plus injured ... it's a crime for him to say that to the crowd... this bs they are trying to go after him because he said the election was stolen, where you seem to imply that was what they are going after him for ... guess again you idiot ...

nobody is going after him for saying the election was stolen... that's your right-wing nut jobs telling you this bull shit ... again nobody on the left ever said the 2016 election was stolen ... they did say questionable practices were not right.... for instance in Georgia... the day before the election they did a voters purge ... republicans seem to do this all the time ... 100,000 voters were purged they tried it again in 2018 and 20 but the dems stopped them through the courts ... it's obvious you haven't been paying attention to the poling ... you're going to see the republicans lose more seats than they ever have ... the Dems are ahead in the senate and the house polling between 10% to 25% more supporters ... they could care less about saying he was cheated ... that still makes you look like an uninformed fool ... trump said the election was stolen an we want to put him in jail for it ... I'm still laughing at you... you've got to be the biggest mofo here who is clueless ... I'm still laughing at you ...

LOL. That is you guys go to response every time someone doesn't agree with you. I don't watch Fox or Newsmax or any other right wing media. But I know a railroad when I see it and I know kangaroos when I see them and so do many others.

 

[billyerock123]

LOL. That is you guys go to response every time someone doesn't agree with you. I don't watch Fox or Newsmax or any other right wing media. But I know a railroad when I see it and I know kangaroos when I see them and so do many others.

so when Trump hires a porn star to fuck and has his fun ... he then is caught saying on tv interview that recorded him saying "being famous gives him the right to grab women's pussy and he has done it many times" ... this gets said by Trump himself it gets out to the press ... trump becomes upset about it ...Trump says to his lawyer we need to cover up me fucking a porn stars for fun .. we need to pay them off keep them from reporting to the press ... but trump makes his lawyer cover it up ... the money used to make it look like its a business deal ...so it doesn't make it look like I fucked a porn star right after my wife had her baby .. you say this is railroading him ??? Do you think just because there is a record of her getting money from his lawyer who paid her, that people who work for him know this happened.... that he defrauded his taxes by deducting ithe money on his taxes that there were people who helped him do this ... even though this is illegal ... that now Trump has been caught he now getting railroaded ... WOW my bad ...you could have fooled me .. NOO OOOOT

 

[billyerock123]

He also has an obligation to say it. He swore an oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

so how come the supremes keep telling him what he's doing isn't constitutional ... can you explain your post that what he was doing is constiturional ... we love to hear your word of wisdom

 

[GLASNOST]

so how come the supremes keep telling him what he's doing isn't constitutional ... can you explain your post that what he was doing is constiturional ... we love to hear your word of wisdom

Maybe you need to keep your finger on the page and take notice of what I said and what it pertains to before you start flapping your lips about what is "constiturional".

 

[billyerock123]

He also has an obligation to say it. He swore an oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

so what does that got to do with Trump fucking a porn star and claiming it on his taxes as a business deal and then writing it off as a business deal ... where in what section of the Constitution does it say that ......

 

[GLASNOST]

so what does that got to do with Trump fucking a porn star ......

What does your comment have to do with the dialogue?

 

[Independentthinker]

so when Trump hires a porn star to fuck and has his fun ... he then is caught saying on tv interview that recorded him saying "being famous gives him the right to grab women's pussy and he has done it many times" ... this gets said by Trump himself it gets out to the press ... trump becomes upset about it ...Trump says to his lawyer we need to cover up me fucking a porn stars for fun .. we need to pay them off keep them from reporting to the press ... but trump makes his lawyer cover it up ... the money used to make it look like its a business deal ...so it doesn't make it look like I fucked a porn star right after my wife had her baby .. you say this is railroading him ??? Do you think just because there is a record of her getting money from his lawyer who paid her, that people who work for him know this happened.... that he defrauded his taxes by deducting ithe money on his taxes that there were people who helped him do this ... even though this is illegal ... that now Trump has been caught he now getting railroaded ... WOW my bad ...you could have fooled me .. NOO OOOOT

?????????????? Biden purposely kept his classified documents a secret just before the 2020 election. That is election interference, the very same thing you are charging Trump with.

 

[billyerock123]

Maybe you need to keep your finger on the page and take notice of what I said and what it pertains to.

maybe you should explain yourself... you claim it's his constitutional right to say he fucked a porn star but he didn't fuck her and the money that he paid her was a tax right off paying her off, is his constitutional right... or do you just love to say things like you say to make you feel important ??

 

[GLASNOST]

What does your comment have to do with the dialogue?

maybe you should explain yourself... you claim it's his constitutional right to say he fucked a porn star but he didn't fuck her and the money that he paid her was a tax right off paying her off, is his constitutional right... or do you just love to say things like you say to make you feel important ??

You still are nowhere near the dialogue. I told you to keep your finger on the page.