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Again, I'm a lapsed Catholic at best. the Issue I have is government forcing people to abandon free exercise because some more "oppressed" person is feeling butt hurt..
Free exercise of what? What the fuck are you talking about? Because religious liberty ends where civil rights begin. You just want to be able to justify your own bigotry and the bigotry of theirs because you're a piece of shit. Yes, it is that cut and dry. Get over yourself.
Make them put a sign outside their location, and of course they can't deny point of sale services (actual PA's), but fining them 149k is crazy. You crazy.
The fine was too small and should have included jail time since those people knowingly and deliberately violated the civil rights of others. Fuck those people. That penalty is all on them for subscribing to idiotic religious beliefs to justify bigotry.
And by the way, I thought their God "forgives"...apparently forgiveness doesn't extend to baking cakes, I guess...just another stupid religious argument flushed down the drain.
Those were not conservatives and libertarians in Charlottseville, they were actual white power nitwits.
LOL! Right, like how Bush was a Conservative until he fucked everything up, and then he wasn't. Don't fucking bullshit me. Those Nazis marching were wearing the same red hats you clowns wear. You're the same people. Difference is those guys had the courage to actually express their bigotry whereas you're too cowardly to do so.
And you also go with the "small government = no government" fallacy.
Small government is something Conservatives like to say in order to fool people into thinking they have principles. But "small government" goes right out the window; when a hurricane hits, when it comes to what a woman can do with her own body, when it comes to who people love and have sex with, when it comes to drugs, when it comes to legislating morality. Then Conservatives are all about "big government" and their principles are tossed aside. In case you're wondering, my argument is that you have no integrity and you just say things to make yourself look better. Whiny little bitch move, there.
My ignore list is either empty or has maybe one person on it, so again a baseless accusation from you.
Of course, I was speaking generally and in response to the poster who said they ignore my posts.
There was never a question of his birth outside the US. Someone raised it with Obama, and his birth certificate was produced. End of Story.
Again, no question raised about his birth.
You want to put people in JAIL for not baking a cake in the same post you whine about "civil rights"?
Your conflating the mainstream right with Nazis
is just you being afraid to have to defend your ideas against any challenges, because you know you can't.
There was never a question of his birth outside the US. Someone raised it with Obama, and his birth certificate was produced. End of Story.
But why was it raised by you people? Why did that standard all of a sudden appear for Obama when it never did before? These are the questions you keep avoiding for obvious reasons; those reasons being that it proves you are just a bunch of racist shitgoblins too embarrassed by your blind support for Bush and the predictably awful consequences of his and the Conservative Congress' actions prior to Obama. You all still maintain the same shit beliefs you did during Bush. You haven't changed any of them. So because you basically de-legitimized yourselves and Conservatism because of your support for Bush, you had to portray Obama as a usurper of some kind. Someone who wasn't American enough that you demanded his birth certificate because you're racist pieces of shit who can't handle the fact that a black guy was elected to clean up after the failures of your belief system.
Again, no question raised about his birth.
WHAT!? Of course it was raised, idiot. He was pressured into releasing his BC because of the quesiton of his birth. Let's not forget you said yourself that he had to "sufficiently" prove to you -according to your weird standard- that he was American. The quesiton of his birth came first. And you clearly were among those who were questioning that birth since you fully admit providing his BC was "sufficient" for you and your standard.
Just curious, why no mention of Trump's birth certificate? Oh right, because Trump's white. How silly of me to even pose such a ludicrous question in the first place.
The question has nagged at the parents of Americans born outside the continental United States for generations: Dare their children aspire to grow up and become president? In the case of SenatorJohn McCain of Arizona, the issue is becoming more than a matter of parental daydreaming.
Mr. McCain’s likely nomination as the Republican candidate for president and the happenstance of his birth in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936 are reviving a musty debate that has surfaced periodically since the founders first set quill to parchment and declared that only a “natural-born citizen” can hold the nation’s highest office.
You want to put people in JAIL for not baking a cake in the same post you whine about "civil rights"?
If you knowingly and deliberately violate someone's civil rights, yes, you belong in jail. Period. Full stop.
Your conflating the mainstream right with Nazis
is just you being afraid to have to defend your ideas against any challenges, because you know you can't.
There was never a question of his birth outside the US. Someone raised it with Obama, and his birth certificate was produced. End of Story.
But why was it raised by you people? Why did that standard all of a sudden appear for Obama when it never did before? These are the questions you keep avoiding for obvious reasons; those reasons being that it proves you are just a bunch of racist shitgoblins too embarrassed by your blind support for Bush and the predictably awful consequences of his and the Conservative Congress' actions prior to Obama. You all still maintain the same shit beliefs you did during Bush. You haven't changed any of them. So because you basically de-legitimized yourselves and Conservatism because of your support for Bush, you had to portray Obama as a usurper of some kind. Someone who wasn't American enough that you demanded his birth certificate because you're racist pieces of shit who can't handle the fact that a black guy was elected to clean up after the failures of your belief system.
Again, no question raised about his birth.
WHAT!? Of course it was raised, idiot. He was pressured into releasing his BC because of the quesiton of his birth. Let's not forget you said yourself that he had to "sufficiently" prove to you -according to your weird standard- that he was American. The quesiton of his birth came first. And you clearly were among those who were questioning that birth since you fully admit providing his BC was "sufficient" for you and your standard.
Just curious, why no mention of Trump's birth certificate? Oh right, because Trump's white. How silly of me to even pose such a ludicrous question in the first place.
The question was actually also brought up about McCain because he was born in the Panama Canal Zone. a review of law saw it was considered american soil, and thus he was eligible.
McCain’s Canal Zone Birth Prompts Queries About Whether That Rules Him Out
The question has nagged at the parents of Americans born outside the continental United States for generations: Dare their children aspire to grow up and become president? In the case of SenatorJohn McCain of Arizona, the issue is becoming more than a matter of parental daydreaming.
Mr. McCain’s likely nomination as the Republican candidate for president and the happenstance of his birth in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936 are reviving a musty debate that has surfaced periodically since the founders first set quill to parchment and declared that only a “natural-born citizen” can hold the nation’s highest office.
As for the rest, its just liking the sound of your own voice in your head as you type. There is a level of class in brevity that escapes you.
Trump was born in NYC, and there was never a question over it. Someone raised it about Obama and it was answered.
Someone could walk down any predominantly black neighborhood wearing a MAGA hat and expect the same treatment which you no doubt would wholeheartedly support.
You're a fucking idiot. I'm putting you on "ignore". Good bye dumbass.
neither is being gay.
the rights we all share, we all share them. to pick and choose - well that's where the divide come from. at this point, no more unignore for you. you can be a scholob-sucker w/o me.
Someone could walk down any predominantly black neighborhood wearing a MAGA hat and expect the same treatment which you no doubt would wholeheartedly support.
Red hats are the new brown shirts.
You're a fucking idiot. I'm putting you on "ignore". Good bye dumbass.
You can't spell ignorance without ignore.
It's clear you either didn't read my post, didn't understand it, or do not know your history.
If you and your types keep carrying on the way your are, the national government will take your actions as an excuse to declare martial law, then you will see what real fascism looks like as they round up all Muslims and immigrants and put them in camps. If, at that point, Trump were thrown out of office and Pence is in charge, you can kiss good-bye all gay pride parade permits as well, COUNT ON THAT.
Do you even know what Dominionists are?This is all I meant about triggering an "Enabling act" like situation with your reasoning.
This is what the Deep State is pushing for, and you are helping them right along. I suggest you look into how elites program and manage the Hegelian Dialectic. You are being mentally programmed by the MSM and social networking sites which are run by private and state Intel. Wake the F up man.
This is how your political identification is for your view points, when it comes to your so-called "paradox of tolerance." IOW, get the fuck over yourself before you are the cause of having our open society closed down. You are the ones they refer to as useful idiots, thanks for that.
The highlighting of the same thing over and over doesn't make it true. I know it hurts to be fisked this bad over so many posts. May I suggest some preparation H?
Again, all that typing for no real point. It isn't up to me or government to interfere with someone's free exercise unless there is a compelling interest, and butt hurt isn't compelling.
It isn't about commerce its about each State being able to figure out its own laws within the bounds of the US constitution and their own State Constitutions.
PA's don't mean "any business". And the Civil Rights Act is very specific to what it calls a PA.
hat is childish is you thinking using government to fuck with people you don't like is not fascist.
The highlighting of the same thing over and over doesn't make it true. I know it hurts to be fisked this bad over so many posts. May I suggest some preparation H?
Doesn't make what true? See, your problem is that you speak in such vague, general terms that you can wiggle around what you said in order to fit within the parameters (which also seem to be fluid). Is it not true that God forgives? If that's so, why wouldn't God forgive you for baking a cake? And why would you -or anyone- worship a deity that won't forgive you for baking a cake? You see how fucking stupid it all is?
Again, all that typing for no real point. It isn't up to me or government to interfere with someone's free exercise unless there is a compelling interest, and butt hurt isn't compelling.
If God forgives and Jesus died for everyone's sins, then how exactly is it free exercise to deny baking a cake?
It isn't about commerce its about each State being able to figure out its own laws within the bounds of the US constitution and their own State Constitutions.
So you're just re-stating that which you already believe but aren't defending it. Since commerce happening across state border is now the standard, why does the State have to figure any of that shit out, as it relates to commerce? You're telling me that people in New Mexico shop differently than people in Montana? That's your position? Really?
Do people in Massachusetts get a different kind of breast cancer than people in Alabama? Do people in Minnesota know different math than people in Kansas? This idea of "states' rights" is bullshit now, just as it was bullshit 150 years ago. Please explain and expand upon this thought. "Figure out its own laws within the bounds of the US constitution"...to what end? Do you think commerce doesn't occur across state lines? Because back in the 18th century, it wasn't the standard. It is now. So why are you applying 18th-century thinking to 21st-century problems? Do you treat cancer with leeches? Because that's what they did in the 18th century. So I'm wondering why you only pick and choose certain parts of 21st century thinking to apply to your personal life, yet you demand we adhere to 18th century thinking to apply to our government? Fucking stupid. Cue "the sweater song" as I pull at that thread and start walking away...
PA's don't mean "any business". And the Civil Rights Act is very specific to what it calls a PA.
Right...if you want to form a baking club of straight, white males only, you can do that so long as those folks pay a membership fee. So your crypto-fascist right-wing groups can operate with all the discrimination they want. But as soon as they make what the offer available to the public, that's where the accommodations for bigotry end.
hat is childish is you thinking using government to fuck with people you don't like is not fascist.
Fuck with people by having them accept gays? Like it's so fucking hard to accept that. Whiny. Little. Bitch.
It is likely that the bakers did not share your view on the RIght of others to demand they bake a cake.
Thus, that is not "knowingly".
So, you excuse for your desire to throw your political enemies in jail is debunked.
I'm not going to list all the ideological reasons that what you claimed in moronic, because you know that what you said is moronic.
Sure, that is why you are spending page after page telling marty what he said about Obama's birth certificate, because you are sooooo ready to debate real issues.
It was also raised about Ted Cruz because he was born in Canada.
They use street violence in coordination with local authorities and law enforcement to silence political opposition.
It was also raised about Ted Cruz because he was born in Canada.
No it wasn't.
You're not saying anything new.
JUst spouting standard lefty talking points.
Again, a word spluge with no meaning. Try harder
Government getting involved denies free exercise
the burden is on the government to prove a compelling interest, and then if it is found mitigate the situation in a manner that is least intrusive on the party losing said right.
Not everything has to do with commerce, despite you idiots using it to get away with bullshit like denying free exercise.
The concept of State sovereignty in certain areas is the crux of federalism under our system. Again, if you want to change it, that's what the amendment process is for.
Or you just realize a contracted service that is non time sensitive and non-essential isn't a PA and doesn't mandate government interference.
Homosexuality is seen as sinful in most major religions. It is what it is, and these people are protected from government malice via the free exercise clause of the 1st amendment.
Again, don't like it? Amend the constitution.
