Trump orders colleges to back free speech or lose funding

[anynameyouwish]

Fair enough. I admit it wasn’t completely the same.

although I provided a link about liberty university demonstrating their aversion to free speech. Generally, Christian conservative schools have far stricter rules regarding expression and behavior than secular schools.

again, public vs private. huge difference.

You didn’t read the article.

sure I did. Quote the piece you think I missed.

It’s more what you’re inventing that isn’t there. Where does it say the executive order only applies to public universities?

anyway, the point I was originally making is that conservative Christians don’t really care about free speech.

the part that says federal funding. only certain colleges receive federal funding and grants. can you say public vs private?

"State funding goes primarily to public institutions, while federal funding goes to students at public, private and for-profit colleges, and to researchers at public and private universities.

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[Mac-7]

Do you honestly believe this guy is a student at a Christian University?
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I never claimed he was. Just pointing out that Christians aren’t always as reserved.

Liberty University is a Christian school, no?
Jerry Falwell, a key Trump ally, falls short of big talk on free speech, critics say

They do quite poorly when it comes to free speech.

The topic was students - liberals and conservatives

You insertion was a demonstration and counter demonstration on public streets

which was a very different thing

Fair enough. I admit it wasn’t completely the same.

although I provided a link about liberty university demonstrating their aversion to free speech. Generally, Christian conservative schools have far stricter rules regarding expression and behavior than secular schools.

again, public vs private. huge difference.

public?

private?

trump said "colleges must back free speech or LOSE government funding"

"colleges" = ALL colleges; private AND public

so ANY COLLEGE that receives MY MONEY MUST allow the FREE SPEECH of everyone!

We have no problem with that

 

[colfax_m]

I never claimed he was. Just pointing out that Christians aren’t always as reserved.

Liberty University is a Christian school, no?
Jerry Falwell, a key Trump ally, falls short of big talk on free speech, critics say

They do quite poorly when it comes to free speech.

The topic was students - liberals and conservatives

You insertion was a demonstration and counter demonstration on public streets

which was a very different thing

Fair enough. I admit it wasn’t completely the same.

although I provided a link about liberty university demonstrating their aversion to free speech. Generally, Christian conservative schools have far stricter rules regarding expression and behavior than secular schools.

again, public vs private. huge difference.

public?

private?

trump said "colleges must back free speech or LOSE government funding"

"colleges" = ALL colleges; private AND public

so ANY COLLEGE that receives MY MONEY MUST allow the FREE SPEECH of everyone!

As we keep telling you Liberty does not get federal funds

But I thought that conservative Christians cared about freedom of speech?

You know. Because they’re so secure in their beliefs and whatnot.

 

[jc456]

again, public vs private. huge difference.

You didn’t read the article.

sure I did. Quote the piece you think I missed.

It’s more what you’re inventing that isn’t there. Where does it say the executive order only applies to public universities?

anyway, the point I was originally making is that conservative Christians don’t really care about free speech.

the part that says federal funding. only certain colleges receive federal funding and grants. can you say public vs private?

Did you got to college? Do you have any idea how they’re funded?

students pay and grants are handed out for certain research. alumni also provides funds. anything I miss? Private schools don't get federal dollars.

 

[anynameyouwish]

You didn’t read the article.

sure I did. Quote the piece you think I missed.

It’s more what you’re inventing that isn’t there. Where does it say the executive order only applies to public universities?

anyway, the point I was originally making is that conservative Christians don’t really care about free speech.

the part that says federal funding. only certain colleges receive federal funding and grants. can you say public vs private?

Did you got to college? Do you have any idea how they’re funded?

students pay and grants are handed out for certain research. alumni also provides funds. anything I miss? Private schools don't get federal dollars.

"Private schools don't get federal dollars."

State funding goes primarily to public institutions, while federal funding goes to students at public, private and for-profit colleges, and to researchers at public and private universities.
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[jc456]

The topic was students - liberals and conservatives

You insertion was a demonstration and counter demonstration on public streets

which was a very different thing

Fair enough. I admit it wasn’t completely the same.

although I provided a link about liberty university demonstrating their aversion to free speech. Generally, Christian conservative schools have far stricter rules regarding expression and behavior than secular schools.

again, public vs private. huge difference.

public?

private?

trump said "colleges must back free speech or LOSE government funding"

"colleges" = ALL colleges; private AND public

so ANY COLLEGE that receives MY MONEY MUST allow the FREE SPEECH of everyone!

public vs private. you should really look into who funds which.

show me where he specifies PUBLIC v private, please......

ANY COLLEGE that receives TAX DOLLARS/government funding.....

ANY COLLEGE includes private and religious.

ANY COLLEGE that receives TAX DOLLARS/

Private schools don't receive that money. Private, vs public

 

[jc456]

sure I did. Quote the piece you think I missed.

It’s more what you’re inventing that isn’t there. Where does it say the executive order only applies to public universities?

anyway, the point I was originally making is that conservative Christians don’t really care about free speech.

the part that says federal funding. only certain colleges receive federal funding and grants. can you say public vs private?

Did you got to college? Do you have any idea how they’re funded?

students pay and grants are handed out for certain research. alumni also provides funds. anything I miss? Private schools don't get federal dollars.

"Private schools don't get federal dollars."

State funding goes primarily to public institutions, while federal funding goes to students at public, private and for-profit colleges, and to researchers at public and private universities.
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students are not the university. hly fk.

 

[colfax_m]

You

again, public vs private. huge difference.

public?

private?

trump said "colleges must back free speech or LOSE government funding"

"colleges" = ALL colleges; private AND public

so ANY COLLEGE that receives MY MONEY MUST allow the FREE SPEECH of everyone!

public vs private. you should really look into who funds which.

Are you under the impression that tax dollars aren’t spent at private universities?

exactly. prove they are and I will apologize.

Some private liberal colleges may

but the example chosen was Liberty and they dont

Does Liberty accept federally backed student loans?

 

[jc456]

The topic was students - liberals and conservatives

You insertion was a demonstration and counter demonstration on public streets

which was a very different thing

Fair enough. I admit it wasn’t completely the same.

although I provided a link about liberty university demonstrating their aversion to free speech. Generally, Christian conservative schools have far stricter rules regarding expression and behavior than secular schools.

again, public vs private. huge difference.

public?

private?

trump said "colleges must back free speech or LOSE government funding"

"colleges" = ALL colleges; private AND public

so ANY COLLEGE that receives MY MONEY MUST allow the FREE SPEECH of everyone!

As we keep telling you Liberty does not get federal funds

But I thought that conservative Christians cared about freedom of speech?

You know. Because they’re so secure in their beliefs and whatnot.

they do.

 

[BlindBoo]

The protest/riots occurred in the fall of 2017. By the time Dickhead Donnie got around to it the problem had been resolved though an old fashion liberal tradition, dialog.

These are just miners trying to re-hash old fights and emotions.

 

[jc456]

You

public?

private?

trump said "colleges must back free speech or LOSE government funding"

"colleges" = ALL colleges; private AND public

so ANY COLLEGE that receives MY MONEY MUST allow the FREE SPEECH of everyone!

public vs private. you should really look into who funds which.

Are you under the impression that tax dollars aren’t spent at private universities?

exactly. prove they are and I will apologize.

Some private liberal colleges may

but the example chosen was Liberty and they dont

Does Liberty accept federally backed student loans?

you said that wrong. do students who ask for federally backed student loans go to Liberty. maybe. but that isn't the funding referenced in trump's EO. you still don't get it.

 

[anynameyouwish]

Fair enough. I admit it wasn’t completely the same.

although I provided a link about liberty university demonstrating their aversion to free speech. Generally, Christian conservative schools have far stricter rules regarding expression and behavior than secular schools.

again, public vs private. huge difference.

public?

private?

trump said "colleges must back free speech or LOSE government funding"

"colleges" = ALL colleges; private AND public

so ANY COLLEGE that receives MY MONEY MUST allow the FREE SPEECH of everyone!

public vs private. you should really look into who funds which.

show me where he specifies PUBLIC v private, please......

ANY COLLEGE that receives TAX DOLLARS/government funding.....

ANY COLLEGE includes private and religious.

ANY COLLEGE that receives TAX DOLLARS/

Private schools don't receive that money. Private, vs public

State funding goes primarily to public institutions, while federal funding goes to students at public, private and for-profit colleges, and to researchers at public and private universities.
www.insidehighered.com › news › 2015/06/12 › study-us-higher-educat...

Study: U.S. higher education receives more from federal than ...


how many times must I post the truth before you stop lying?

trump?

is that you?

 

[jc456]

The protest/riots occurred in the fall of 2017. By the time Dickhead Donnie got around to it the problem had been resolved though an old fashion liberal tradition, dialog.

These are just miners trying to re-hash old fights and emotions.

misinformation.

 

[martybegan]

They don't take funding from the government for their own programs, research, or studies. Students get student loans and maybe pell grants.

Quit while you are ahead here, you aren't making the point you want to make.

Render unto Caesar what is Caesars.

Now you are just running out of attempted points to make.

What has been the historical argument from the right about getting into bed with the government?

Which part of the right?

LOL, fair enough. Good point. No, not all the right..........but how much of the right has supported things like the government getting involved in student loans? I'm asking.

it depends. The issue of student loans isn't the loans, its the inflationary effect it had on costs of college, and in particular the cost of degrees with no viable job market.

 

[Mac-7]

The topic was students - liberals and conservatives

You insertion was a demonstration and counter demonstration on public streets

which was a very different thing

Fair enough. I admit it wasn’t completely the same.

although I provided a link about liberty university demonstrating their aversion to free speech. Generally, Christian conservative schools have far stricter rules regarding expression and behavior than secular schools.

again, public vs private. huge difference.

public?

private?

trump said "colleges must back free speech or LOSE government funding"

"colleges" = ALL colleges; private AND public

so ANY COLLEGE that receives MY MONEY MUST allow the FREE SPEECH of everyone!

As we keep telling you Liberty does not get federal funds

But I thought that conservative Christians cared about freedom of speech?

You know. Because they’re so secure in their beliefs and whatnot.

The federal government has leverage over private colleges that take federal money

Liberty University does not

we were asked if a homosexual presidential candidate would be allowed to speak at Liberty and my answer was probably so

 

[jc456]

again, public vs private. huge difference.

public?

private?

trump said "colleges must back free speech or LOSE government funding"

"colleges" = ALL colleges; private AND public

so ANY COLLEGE that receives MY MONEY MUST allow the FREE SPEECH of everyone!

public vs private. you should really look into who funds which.

show me where he specifies PUBLIC v private, please......

ANY COLLEGE that receives TAX DOLLARS/government funding.....

ANY COLLEGE includes private and religious.

ANY COLLEGE that receives TAX DOLLARS/

Private schools don't receive that money. Private, vs public

State funding goes primarily to public institutions, while federal funding goes to students at public, private and for-profit colleges, and to researchers at public and private universities.
www.insidehighered.com › news › 2015/06/12 › study-us-higher-educat...

Study: U.S. higher education receives more from federal than ...


how many times must I post the truth before you stop lying?

trump?

is that you?

students pay back loans, not the university. the check goes to the student not the university. you're confused who is getting the money. the student pays for their class, not the government. the student then owes that money back in the loan agreement. you should actually go to a university so you learn the difference.

 

[martybegan]

That is possibly one of the dumbest statements I have ever seen on this board. SHE WHO MUST NOT BE NAMED dumb.

It was loser college age kids who pushed the nazi's back?

Anti-fa is to actual anti-fascists as MTV currently is to music.

Try educating yourself. It's a lot more convincing than just making up shit.
Antifa (United States) - Wikipedia

Wow, back to Mussolini?
These spoiled children have nothing to do with the anti-fa groups of the past.

Do you purport to speak FOR them?

Where did you get that from my statement?

Here, I bolded it for ya.

That isn't speaking FOR them, its an observation that they are a bunch of bougie wanna bes trying to borrow past concepts and then bastardizing them.

Another swing and a miss from pogo-dumbo.

 

[Mac-7]

Render unto Caesar what is Caesars.

Now you are just running out of attempted points to make.

What has been the historical argument from the right about getting into bed with the government?

Which part of the right?

LOL, fair enough. Good point. No, not all the right..........but how much of the right has supported things like the government getting involved in student loans? I'm asking.

it depends. The issue of student loans isn't the loans, its the inflationary effect it had on costs of college, and in particular the cost of degrees with no viable job market.

$200 k in debt to become a certified feminist political organizer/soda jerk at Starbucks

what a deal

 

[martybegan]

Bullshit. Plenty of on campus groups protest and disrupt the speeches of right leaning groups and people. Hell they even form groups specifically for that purpose.

Violent Middlebury protesters injure professor, force invited speaker to flee lecture hall - FIRE

Violent Middlebury protesters injure professor, force invited speaker to flee lecture hall - FIRE

"The Fire"?

Your video doesn't show anyone "forced to flee" -- did you even watch it?

Are you actually saying that whatever crackpot you want has an inherent right to be heard on any college campus you don't even attend, while the students who ARE on that campus ----- do not?

The FIRE defends both sides of the political spectrum, their only goal is free speech.

Again doing the "dismiss the source to avoid arguing the point" maneuver by slick po-gutless.

She was invited by other Students, they have the ability to do so.

You didn't address the questions. Did you.

You don't seem to have even read your own link either, as you just called Charls Murray "she".

Again, this Charles Murray --- "she", if you prefer -- was invited, and showed up.
And?

There was discussions on Coulter in this thread as well. "He" was invited to speak by a Student Group on campus. THEY invited him. Your whole argument is nothing but deflection, just like all your responses.

Get a new game.

And you STILL didn't address the question, did you.

What questions? All you do is deflect and pretend to be part of the conversation.

 

[colfax_m]

Fair enough. I admit it wasn’t completely the same.

although I provided a link about liberty university demonstrating their aversion to free speech. Generally, Christian conservative schools have far stricter rules regarding expression and behavior than secular schools.

again, public vs private. huge difference.

public?

private?

trump said "colleges must back free speech or LOSE government funding"

"colleges" = ALL colleges; private AND public

so ANY COLLEGE that receives MY MONEY MUST allow the FREE SPEECH of everyone!

As we keep telling you Liberty does not get federal funds

But I thought that conservative Christians cared about freedom of speech?

You know. Because they’re so secure in their beliefs and whatnot.

The federal government has leverage over private colleges that take federal money

Liberty University does not

we were asked if a homosexual presidential candidate would be allowed to speak at Liberty and my answer was probably so

So do Christian conservatives care about free speech or not? Why should anyone have to leverage a college (especially one ironically called Liberty) into allowing freedom of speech?