Trump wants blacks to gamble on his "what the hell do you have to lose"

[Jroc]

The far right is panicking. The angst and rage as they realize the size of Trump's inevitable campaign defeat amazes the objective observer. They act as if it is the end of the world, instead of a presidential election. Blacks are very wise to not trust Trump.

So they're wise to stay slaves to a party where the President that got it all started said he'd have them doing what they've gladly obliged for 50 years now? Tells me they either don't want to do better or they're too stupid to do better.

Blacks endured Reagan and the two Bushes for a total of 20 years. Very little changed for them, if anything ,during that time. Don't you think Blacks would have wandered off your imagined Democratic Plantation if the GOP's Plantation offered a better deal? Obviously, the GOP left a bad impression.

You live in an alternative universe..More blacks are out of the workforce or cant find jobs. Race relations are worst than ever under this scum Obama

 

[Jroc]

Obamacare doesn't have real numbers because many have moved from employer healthcare to Obamacare, also many that jumped on Obamacare in 14 dropped off the rolls in 15. Obamacare has hit the middle class harder than any group, higher deductibles are plaguing employer contributed plans plus very high increases in plans. They finally got rid of Kennedy's NCLB.

Unemployment? What did Obama do there?

Lots of propaganda, that is all you have. How many poor people have federal jobs? How many poor going to college? Listed some things twice, on and on. The propaganda rolls on.

Each item on the list I posted is verifiable. I suggest you click on main link to see the full extent of Obama's accomplishments. If you think those items are propaganda I suggest you prove it instead of grunting and snorting like a frustrated fool!

Numbnuts, how does his giving paid maternity leave to government workers help the poor? Love how you gloss over crap you can't handle.


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Is that all you got? Get a life!

Just asking the question on one of your points, and you won't answer. By avoiding the answer you said volumes.

Next point, Kennedy was the sponsor of NCLB, so Obama is trying to fix a Democrats mistake.

Yo are a joke…. the NCLB act was passed by Congress in

Why focus on black Americans? Because that is what the thread is about.

Do you mean that when black Americans take advantage of Democrats allowing illegal immigrants to take away their jobs and keep wages low, they are benefiting from Democratic policies? Do you mean when black Americans take advantage of Democrats fighting to prevent the children of poor families from getting school vouchers that will rescue them from failed dangerous schools they are benefiting form Democratic policies?

1.If illegals are taking poor White and poor Black people's jobs republicans need to stop hiring them..

2. The voucher system won't benefit Blacks at all. The voucher system is just another attempt by republicans to privatize K-12 for profit.The republican base has already written Black progress off as unattainable due to what they see as low cognitive skills and a propensity for violence. Given that preconception, republicans are being duplicitous when they say the voucher system will help Black children to learn better. If you don't think that Blacks haven't realized that, you are badly mistaken. They know that when republicans advertise something in the interest of Black folks, the end product is rarely up to the standard as advertised.

1) Are you saying Democrats don't hire them?

2) It's called giving people a choice. I thought you lefties believed in choice or is that only when the choice involves killing what you don't want to take responsibility for producing?

1. No, but no republican should. Unfortunately too many republicans DO hire illegals. Even some of the Bush clan did so.

2. People do have a choice…Go to a free public school or spend your OWN money if you wnat your kids to go to a private school!

And too many Democrats hire illegals.

Poor people have the choice of a public school and what? Certainly poor students should have the choices that Obama's girls have.


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BenCarson went to a public school before entering college as did many other highly educated Black professionals.
The students who apply themselves are still going to rise to the top no matter what their families socio-economic status and no matter what kind of school they attend.

Detroit schools now aren't what they were in the 60s genius...I cant tell you don't now and have never lived in the inner city

 

[JQPublic1]

The Democrats are not only taking care of Blacks they are taking care of the average American. When Blacks take advantage of things done for the general populace by Democrats your focus is only on them. Why?

Why focus on black Americans? Because that is what the thread is about.

Do you mean that when black Americans take advantage of Democrats allowing illegal immigrants to take away their jobs and keep wages low, they are benefiting from Democratic policies? Do you mean when black Americans take advantage of Democrats fighting to prevent the children of poor families from getting school vouchers that will rescue them from failed dangerous schools they are benefiting form Democratic policies?

1.If illegals are taking poor White and poor Black people's jobs republicans need to stop hiring them..

2. The voucher system won't benefit Blacks at all. The voucher system is just another attempt by republicans to privatize K-12 for profit.The republican base has already written Black progress off as unattainable due to what they see as low cognitive skills and a propensity for violence. Given that preconception, republicans are being duplicitous when they say the voucher system will help Black children to learn better. If you don't think that Blacks haven't realized that, you are badly mistaken. They know that when republicans advertise something in the interest of Black folks, the end product is rarely up to the standard as advertised.

1) Are you saying Democrats don't hire them?

2) It's called giving people a choice. I thought you lefties believed in choice or is that only when the choice involves killing what you don't want to take responsibility for producing?

1. No, but no republican should. Unfortunately too many republicans DO hire illegals. Even some of the Bush clan did so.

2. People do have a choice…Go to a free public school or spend your OWN money if you wnat your kids to go to a private school!

And too many Democrats hire illegals.

Poor people have the choice of a public school and what? Certainly poor students should have the choices that Obama's girls have.


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In sticking with the op I'll say that if Trump wins the election chances are that poor people are going t have even fewer choices.
Trump's pick of Supreme court Justices would be disastrous for education and every thing else affecting the poor and middle class for decades to come.

 

[Jroc]

Has NAT been able to provide one actual litigated case showing a clear victim having been forced out of the voting process with no means or effort provided to them in acquiring an opportunity to vote? Still waiting on that bit of proof of voter suppression. I'm not going to let this one go NAT as long as you feel that such suppression exists as a result of voter ID.

Thelma Mitchell, Nashville, Tenn.

When Thelma Mitchell, a retired state employee, learned that her old employee ID (which was issued by the state and included her photo) wouldn't meet Tennessee's new voter ID law, she went to a motor vehicle office to obtain a valid photo ID. The agency asked her for a birth certificate, but she didn't have one and was denied her request for a new ID.

Mitchell, 93, has never had a birth certificate. She wasn't born in a hospital and was delivered by a midwife, in Alabama in 1918. Birth certificates, particularly for African-Americans in the South, weren't regularly generated at the time. As a result, Mitchell may not be able to vote this year for the first time in decades.

"I got so mad" about being turned away, Mitchell said in an interview. "I was holding my peace to keep from telling him off. So I didn't get to vote."

Another obstacle for Tennessee seniors: The state doesn't put photos on the licenses of drivers over age 65. This practice affects some 30,000 people, according to voting rights advocates in the state.

Florence Hessing, Bayfield, Wis.

At age 96, Florence Hessing is disabled, rarely leaves her home and votes by absentee ballot. She has a driver's license that expired a few years ago. She wrote to the state asking the requirements for obtaining a new photo ID under the state's recently enacted voter ID law. The response she received outlined the requirements and included a $28 fee — which angered Hessing because she expected the ID to be free.

Hessing first had to come up with a birth certificate. She wrote to Iowa, where she was born, but the state had no official record.

"I think that's a shift if I can't vote," Hessing said in an interview. "It'd feel like I was thrown out."

Ruthelle Frank, Brokaw, Wis.

Like Hessing and Mitchell, Frank, 84, was denied in her application for a new voter ID because she lacked a birth certificate. She was born in Wisconsin, has lived in the same home for 83 years and never had need of the document.

"After I was married, we made several trips into Canada. I used my baptismal certificate to cross all the time," Frank said. "That's all I ever needed."

She called her county's registrar of deeds, to no avail. The state's vital records office managed to find her birth certificate, but there were other problems — both her parents' names were misspelled, rendering the document invalid.

"In order to get it corrected, I'd have to amend it. And it would cost $200," Frank said. "I decided I didn't want to spend $200 for the right to vote because I've always thought the right to vote was free. I don't think it's fair."


Why New Photo ID Laws Mean Some Won't Vote

Im sure you can find more dead people who have voted, than people who cant get an I.D.

 

[JQPublic1]

The far right is panicking. The angst and rage as they realize the size of Trump's inevitable campaign defeat amazes the objective observer. They act as if it is the end of the world, instead of a presidential election. Blacks are very wise to not trust Trump.

So they're wise to stay slaves to a party where the President that got it all started said he'd have them doing what they've gladly obliged for 50 years now? Tells me they either don't want to do better or they're too stupid to do better.

Blacks endured Reagan and the two Bushes for a total of 20 years. Very little changed for them, if anything ,during that time. Don't you think Blacks would have wandered off your imagined Democratic Plantation if the GOP's Plantation offered a better deal? Obviously, the GOP left a bad impression.

You live in an alternative universe..More blacks are out of the workforce or cant find jobs. Race relations are worst than ever under this scum Obama

Blacks have always had 2X the number of unemployed as Whites since integration. And race relations are not worse under Obama, more racists just came out of the closet when he because president!

 

[Indeependent]

Why focus on black Americans? Because that is what the thread is about.

Do you mean that when black Americans take advantage of Democrats allowing illegal immigrants to take away their jobs and keep wages low, they are benefiting from Democratic policies? Do you mean when black Americans take advantage of Democrats fighting to prevent the children of poor families from getting school vouchers that will rescue them from failed dangerous schools they are benefiting form Democratic policies?

1.If illegals are taking poor White and poor Black people's jobs republicans need to stop hiring them..

2. The voucher system won't benefit Blacks at all. The voucher system is just another attempt by republicans to privatize K-12 for profit.The republican base has already written Black progress off as unattainable due to what they see as low cognitive skills and a propensity for violence. Given that preconception, republicans are being duplicitous when they say the voucher system will help Black children to learn better. If you don't think that Blacks haven't realized that, you are badly mistaken. They know that when republicans advertise something in the interest of Black folks, the end product is rarely up to the standard as advertised.

1) Are you saying Democrats don't hire them?

2) It's called giving people a choice. I thought you lefties believed in choice or is that only when the choice involves killing what you don't want to take responsibility for producing?

1. No, but no republican should. Unfortunately too many republicans DO hire illegals. Even some of the Bush clan did so.

2. People do have a choice…Go to a free public school or spend your OWN money if you wnat your kids to go to a private school!

And too many Democrats hire illegals.

Poor people have the choice of a public school and what? Certainly poor students should have the choices that Obama's girls have.


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In sticking with the op I'll say that if Trump wins the election chances are that poor people are going t have even fewer choices.
Trump's pick of Supreme court Justices would be disastrous for education and every thing else affecting the poor and middle class for decades to come.

Yep, the Global Elitists have done mighty fine by yo brothas and sistas!

 

[Indeependent]

The far right is panicking. The angst and rage as they realize the size of Trump's inevitable campaign defeat amazes the objective observer. They act as if it is the end of the world, instead of a presidential election. Blacks are very wise to not trust Trump.

So they're wise to stay slaves to a party where the President that got it all started said he'd have them doing what they've gladly obliged for 50 years now? Tells me they either don't want to do better or they're too stupid to do better.

Blacks endured Reagan and the two Bushes for a total of 20 years. Very little changed for them, if anything ,during that time. Don't you think Blacks would have wandered off your imagined Democratic Plantation if the GOP's Plantation offered a better deal? Obviously, the GOP left a bad impression.

You live in an alternative universe..More blacks are out of the workforce or cant find jobs. Race relations are worst than ever under this scum Obama

Blacks have always had 2X the number of unemployed as Whites since integration. And race relations are not worse under Obama, more racists just came out of the closet when he because president!

Yeah, Ferguson was just somebody accidently dropping a few hundred matches whilst trying to light a cigarette.

 

[Jroc]

you will be voting against freeing up millions of jobs for poor Americans now held by illegal immigrants.

Only a TRUE moron (and right winger.....but I repeat myself) would "conclude" that poor black families from the inner cities will be shipped to CA to pick tomatoes and onions ....jobs now held by the equally poor illegal aliens...Unless, of course, you'd be OK with paying $30 for a pound of tomatoes.

Illegal aliens are providing (or subsidizing) through their servitude of a few bucks a week, what very few Americans would work for.......mowing lawns, fixing roofs, and other very menial jobs......Again, in your sick half-brain, you've actually bought into the scenario that black unemployment is caused by illegal aliens.......as the likes of a Trumpster have convinced you to believe.

Secondly, as I've already stated, VOUCHERS are just a dog-whistle attempt to RE-SEGREGATE our public scholl system...I won't try to explain it again since I've already done it twice before (above.)

Stay dumb.....We need morons to convince our kids that education and objectivity prevents your kind of mindset.

another suburbanite jackass whose never been to any failing inner city public schools Charter schools are doing quit well here in Detroit and if schools aren't preforming they should be shut down...vouchers are a good thing

 

[Jroc]

bitching about Romney and his affinity for the ultra rich, yet are willing to vote for the ultra rich Clinton

If you think that most of us had a hard time with Romney because of his "affinity for the ultra rich",,,then, by all means, stay dumb..... Go back to Romney "binders of women: and his bitching about Obamacare which should basically have Romney's name on it also, while he was Gov. of Mass.

Romney is not running parrot

 

[JQPublic1]

The far right is panicking. The angst and rage as they realize the size of Trump's inevitable campaign defeat amazes the objective observer. They act as if it is the end of the world, instead of a presidential election. Blacks are very wise to not trust Trump.

So they're wise to stay slaves to a party where the President that got it all started said he'd have them doing what they've gladly obliged for 50 years now? Tells me they either don't want to do better or they're too stupid to do better.

Blacks endured Reagan and the two Bushes for a total of 20 years. Very little changed for them, if anything ,during that time. Don't you think Blacks would have wandered off your imagined Democratic Plantation if the GOP's Plantation offered a better deal? Obviously, the GOP left a bad impression.

You live in an alternative universe..More blacks are out of the workforce or cant find jobs. Race relations are worst than ever under this scum Obama

Blacks have always had 2X the number of unemployed as Whites since integration. And race relations are not worse under Obama, more racists just came out of the closet when he became president!

Yeah, Ferguson was just somebody accidently dropping a few hundred matches whilst trying to light a cigarette.

Ferguson was a reactive approach to racism. The catalyst that set that reaction off was the shooting of Michael Brown, even if he was a thug!

 

[JQPublic1]

1.If illegals are taking poor White and poor Black people's jobs republicans need to stop hiring them..

2. The voucher system won't benefit Blacks at all. The voucher system is just another attempt by republicans to privatize K-12 for profit.The republican base has already written Black progress off as unattainable due to what they see as low cognitive skills and a propensity for violence. Given that preconception, republicans are being duplicitous when they say the voucher system will help Black children to learn better. If you don't think that Blacks haven't realized that, you are badly mistaken. They know that when republicans advertise something in the interest of Black folks, the end product is rarely up to the standard as advertised.

1) Are you saying Democrats don't hire them?

2) It's called giving people a choice. I thought you lefties believed in choice or is that only when the choice involves killing what you don't want to take responsibility for producing?

1. No, but no republican should. Unfortunately too many republicans DO hire illegals. Even some of the Bush clan did so.

2. People do have a choice…Go to a free public school or spend your OWN money if you wnat your kids to go to a private school!

And too many Democrats hire illegals.

Poor people have the choice of a public school and what? Certainly poor students should have the choices that Obama's girls have.


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In sticking with the op I'll say that if Trump wins the election chances are that poor people are going t have even fewer choices.
Trump's pick of Supreme court Justices would be disastrous for education and every thing else affecting the poor and middle class for decades to come.

Yep, the Global Elitists have done mighty fine by yo brothas and sistas!

Which Brothas and sistas? The White, Jewish Asian or Hispanic ones?

 

[Indeependent]

So they're wise to stay slaves to a party where the President that got it all started said he'd have them doing what they've gladly obliged for 50 years now? Tells me they either don't want to do better or they're too stupid to do better.

Blacks endured Reagan and the two Bushes for a total of 20 years. Very little changed for them, if anything ,during that time. Don't you think Blacks would have wandered off your imagined Democratic Plantation if the GOP's Plantation offered a better deal? Obviously, the GOP left a bad impression.

You live in an alternative universe..More blacks are out of the workforce or cant find jobs. Race relations are worst than ever under this scum Obama

Blacks have always had 2X the number of unemployed as Whites since integration. And race relations are not worse under Obama, more racists just came out of the closet when he became president!

Yeah, Ferguson was just somebody accidently dropping a few hundred matches whilst trying to light a cigarette.

Ferguson was a reactive approach to racism. The catalyst that set that reaction off was the shooting of Michael Brown, even if he was a thug!

Was it rational?
Was there any possible positive outcome?
Did 40 years of Globalism make it a possibility?

 

[Indeependent]

1) Are you saying Democrats don't hire them?

2) It's called giving people a choice. I thought you lefties believed in choice or is that only when the choice involves killing what you don't want to take responsibility for producing?

1. No, but no republican should. Unfortunately too many republicans DO hire illegals. Even some of the Bush clan did so.

2. People do have a choice…Go to a free public school or spend your OWN money if you wnat your kids to go to a private school!

And too many Democrats hire illegals.

Poor people have the choice of a public school and what? Certainly poor students should have the choices that Obama's girls have.


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In sticking with the op I'll say that if Trump wins the election chances are that poor people are going t have even fewer choices.
Trump's pick of Supreme court Justices would be disastrous for education and every thing else affecting the poor and middle class for decades to come.

Yep, the Global Elitists have done mighty fine by yo brothas and sistas!

Which Brothas and sistas? The White, Jewish Asian or Hispanic ones?

The Jews and Asians are career oriented.
The Hispanic are trying.
Blacks? Uh uh.
And no witty postings will change the direction Blacks are headed in.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Tell you what. I'll prove republicans are hiring illegals YOU prove Democrats are doing it. Fair enough? Here I'll start with this one:

GOP debate fact-check: "Look it up. Trump Polish workers." - CBS News

Rubio also made reference to illegal immigrant labor in the construction of Trump Tower: "If he built the wall [between US and Mexico] like he built Trump Tower, he'll be using illegal immigrant labor to do it," Rubio said.

"Look it up: 'Trump Polish workers,'" Rubio instructed debate watchers. "You'll see a million dollars for hiring illegal workers on one of his projects. He did it."

That accusation is true: Trump was even sued for using 200 illegal workers from Poland to build Trump Tower in 1980. The New York Times described an update to the suit -- including Trump's testimony -- in 1998, and The Daily Beast wrote about the situation last summer. The case was settled in 1999.

Wonderful except for the fact Trump didn't hire those illegal workers. He hired a demolition company to tear down the existing buildings where he wanted to build Trump Towers.

When you hire a contractor, it's not up to you to check out their employee status. It's assumed that they (the company) are following the US guidelines in hiring.

That's no different than you hiring somebody to do your lawn care, and they employee illegals to cut your grass. HTF are you supposed to know that? It's not up to you to do a background check on your lawn care workers, it's up to the lawn care company.

 

[Indeependent]

Tell you what. I'll prove republicans are hiring illegals YOU prove Democrats are doing it. Fair enough? Here I'll start with this one:

GOP debate fact-check: "Look it up. Trump Polish workers." - CBS News

Rubio also made reference to illegal immigrant labor in the construction of Trump Tower: "If he built the wall [between US and Mexico] like he built Trump Tower, he'll be using illegal immigrant labor to do it," Rubio said.

"Look it up: 'Trump Polish workers,'" Rubio instructed debate watchers. "You'll see a million dollars for hiring illegal workers on one of his projects. He did it."

That accusation is true: Trump was even sued for using 200 illegal workers from Poland to build Trump Tower in 1980. The New York Times described an update to the suit -- including Trump's testimony -- in 1998, and The Daily Beast wrote about the situation last summer. The case was settled in 1999.

Wonderful except for the fact Trump didn't hire those illegal workers. He hired a demolition company to tear down the existing buildings where he wanted to build Trump Towers.

When you hire a contractor, it's not up to you to check out their employee status. It's assumed that they (the company) are following the US guidelines in hiring.

That's no different than you hiring somebody to do your lawn care, and they employee illegals to cut your grass. HTF are you supposed to know that? It's not up to you to do a background check on your lawn care workers, it's up to the lawn care company.

Simply more excuses.

 

[Jroc]

So they're wise to stay slaves to a party where the President that got it all started said he'd have them doing what they've gladly obliged for 50 years now? Tells me they either don't want to do better or they're too stupid to do better.

Blacks endured Reagan and the two Bushes for a total of 20 years. Very little changed for them, if anything ,during that time. Don't you think Blacks would have wandered off your imagined Democratic Plantation if the GOP's Plantation offered a better deal? Obviously, the GOP left a bad impression.

You live in an alternative universe..More blacks are out of the workforce or cant find jobs. Race relations are worst than ever under this scum Obama

Blacks have always had 2X the number of unemployed as Whites since integration. And race relations are not worse under Obama, more racists just came out of the closet when he became president!

Yeah, Ferguson was just somebody accidently dropping a few hundred matches whilst trying to light a cigarette.

Ferguson was a reactive approach to racism. The catalyst that set that reaction off was the shooting of Michael Brown, even if he was a thug!

You leftist scum pushed a false narrative, something that never happened, in an attempt to score political points. All of which made race relations worst, cost 10s of millions of dollars in damage to minority neighborhoods. Your kind doesn't help people you use them


What an embarrassment, those congress people should have resigned in disgrace...

 

[Billy000]

You're an idiot if you think Trump would even attempt to do anything for blacks.

His Trade and Immigration polices are targeted on helping the Working Class especially. Blacks would benefit disproportionately.


YOu are an idiot if you think he would hesitate to help blacks.

Oh Christ stop pretending like he has any real policy ideas like building a wall or deporting all illegals. He simply opposes TPP. It's not like he knows ANYTHING about economic policy.

Maybe you should read instead of running your mouth out of stupidity


Details and Analysis of Donald Trump’s Tax Plan

Oh great. Cutting taxes on the wealthy. The go to republican strategy failure. It doesn't do shit to stimulate real economic growth. That's been proven over and over.

When was that "proven" gotta link?

Hmm well try proof as in Bush's tax cuts. They were massive yet job growth under Bush was pathetic and the Great Recession happened anyway

More recently, the governor of Kansas cut taxes on the wealthy as an "experiment" yet the state is now in a recession and with a massive deficit.

 

[Jroc]

His Trade and Immigration polices are targeted on helping the Working Class especially. Blacks would benefit disproportionately.


YOu are an idiot if you think he would hesitate to help blacks.

Oh Christ stop pretending like he has any real policy ideas like building a wall or deporting all illegals. He simply opposes TPP. It's not like he knows ANYTHING about economic policy.

Maybe you should read instead of running your mouth out of stupidity


Details and Analysis of Donald Trump’s Tax Plan

Oh great. Cutting taxes on the wealthy. The go to republican strategy failure. It doesn't do shit to stimulate real economic growth. That's been proven over and over.

When was that "proven" gotta link?

Hmm well try proof as in Bush's tax cuts. They were massive yet job growth under Bush was pathetic and the Great Recession happened anyway

More recently, the governor of Kansas cut taxes on the wealthy as an "experiment" yet the state is now in a recession and with a massive deficit.

Trump's tax reform plan is not Bush's tax cuts...you do realize that right?

 

[Indeependent]

His Trade and Immigration polices are targeted on helping the Working Class especially. Blacks would benefit disproportionately.


YOu are an idiot if you think he would hesitate to help blacks.

Oh Christ stop pretending like he has any real policy ideas like building a wall or deporting all illegals. He simply opposes TPP. It's not like he knows ANYTHING about economic policy.

Maybe you should read instead of running your mouth out of stupidity


Details and Analysis of Donald Trump’s Tax Plan

Oh great. Cutting taxes on the wealthy. The go to republican strategy failure. It doesn't do shit to stimulate real economic growth. That's been proven over and over.

When was that "proven" gotta link?

Hmm well try proof as in Bush's tax cuts. They were massive yet job growth under Bush was pathetic and the Great Recession happened anyway

More recently, the governor of Kansas cut taxes on the wealthy as an "experiment" yet the state is now in a recession and with a massive deficit.

Tax Cuts, Off-Shoring, Business Visas, Illegals and a Military Buildup.
GW was a complete fuck up.

 

[Billy000]

Oh Christ stop pretending like he has any real policy ideas like building a wall or deporting all illegals. He simply opposes TPP. It's not like he knows ANYTHING about economic policy.

Maybe you should read instead of running your mouth out of stupidity


Details and Analysis of Donald Trump’s Tax Plan

Oh great. Cutting taxes on the wealthy. The go to republican strategy failure. It doesn't do shit to stimulate real economic growth. That's been proven over and over.

When was that "proven" gotta link?

Hmm well try proof as in Bush's tax cuts. They were massive yet job growth under Bush was pathetic and the Great Recession happened anyway

More recently, the governor of Kansas cut taxes on the wealthy as an "experiment" yet the state is now in a recession and with a massive deficit.

Trump's tax reform plan is not Bush's tax cuts...you do realize that right?

Oh great the dollar amounts and brackets are different. None of that changes the fact that cutting taxes on wealthy does nothing to stimulate real growth. Why? It's simple really: rich people don't invest the money they save through tax breaks, they fucking KEEP IT.