Under Democratic Policies The Rich Get Richer

[Independent thinker]

Agreed. Wages are in the dumpster. Employers have it too easy finding workers.

You are insane. Wages are not in the dumpster, they've been going up ever since Biden has been if office. But, they are in the dumpster because they have caused more inflation that the wage increases. No employer has an easy time finding workers. What planet do you live on?

 

[Independent thinker]

Right!! they say he's producing gas, yet there ain't any!! And all I want these geniuses to tell us where is the gas?

Must be using it in hybrids since these people can't find any charging stations.

 

[alang1216]

Increased wages lead to increased prices so, no, higher wages do not help people afford things more. In fact, a huge majority of Americans can't afford things now and Biden and the left are out there telling them that they're wrong.

That has been exactly NOT my experience. When I make more money I can afford more things. Seems simple to me.

The job market is not open and free when unions have all the power. There should be a 50/50 split between union power and employer power.

Agreed but it is rarely a 50/50 in America. Not to say neither side will abuse whatever power they can.

Remote work was a thing during the pandemic, which has actually caused several cities into a doom spiral.

My son lives in a big city and took his current job, in large part because it was 100% remote. Cities will have to adjust and so will we all.

When you want to earn more and have better benefits, you quit and go to a better job, which is what you have done. You don't sit there on your ass and demand your employer pay you more and give you better benefits and, in return, you give them nothing more than you were before.

Quitting is easy for me since I don't need health insurance. For a young family, not so easy to do.

Many on the left believe you should be able to sit on your ass working at McDonalds and get better pay and benefits while doing nothing more than flip the burgers you were flipping before. If you want more then you become a shift supervisor, assistant manager, manager, and use that to move onto better jobs like you have been doing.

Ideally you are correct but the future looks very different. When whole factories are automated fewer workers are needed. Same for McDonalds, if they are mostly automated there will be plenty of unemployed entry level workers.

 

[initforme]

Any employer worth working for has zero issues finding good workers. The rest deserve to struggle.

 

[initforme]

Remote work saves employers office space and helps workers by eliminating having the stress of driving to work.

 

[initforme]

One more "mass resignation" would help by opening up more higher paying jobs for people.

 

[Independent thinker]

That has been exactly NOT my experience. When I make more money I can afford more things. Seems simple to me.


Agreed but it is rarely a 50/50 in America. Not to say neither side will abuse whatever power they can.


My son lives in a big city and took his current job, in large part because it was 100% remote. Cities will have to adjust and so will we all.


Quitting is easy for me since I don't need health insurance. For a young family, not so easy to do.


Ideally you are correct but the future looks very different. When whole factories are automated fewer workers are needed. Same for McDonalds, if they are mostly automated there will be plenty of unemployed entry level workers.

Lefty policies such as increasing wages speed automation. We are moving toward a socialist society where lefty policies eliminate jobs and then they can claim we need basic income for those who can't find work.

 

[alang1216]

Lefty policies such as increasing wages speed automation.

Actually they increase productivity.

We are moving toward a socialist society where lefty policies eliminate jobs and then they can claim we need basic income for those who can't find work.

From a system with increasing income inequality. What do you think will be the result if income inequality continues to increase? Ask the Czars or Marie Antoinette.

 

[Independent thinker]

Actually they increase productivity.


From a system with increasing income inequality. What do you think will be the result if income inequality continues to increase? Ask the Czars or Marie Antoinette.

You mean productivity increases due to having robots, while people get laid off from their jobs?

The thing is, the poor always get richer. They do not get poorer. What happens to someone else is irrelevant.

 

[task0778]

Actually they increase productivity.

Actually that is not true. Studies have shown for decades that increasing a person's pay does not increase productivity. But it does invite an employer to cut labor costs by reducing hours, cutting the staff, or automating some jobs out of existence. And of course there are also the employers who can afford to relocate to another state or in some cases just close their doors and go out of business.

 

[jc456]

You are insane. Wages are not in the dumpster, they've been going up ever since Biden has been if office. But, they are in the dumpster because they have caused more inflation that the wage increases. No employer has an easy time finding workers. What planet do you live on?

again, demofks still don't understand that when companies increase wages, prices go up to the consumers. doh! They climb on the same merry go round every time they get a bug up their ass about minimum wage. Increasing minimum wages will always spike prices. I wish they knew something about how it works. fk they're stupid.

 

[Crepitus]

the oil companies are, why else would they need to charge 7.50 a gallon?

Dude, tell me you aren't really that dumb.

 

[initforme]

again, demofks still don't understand that when companies increase wages, prices go up to the consumers. doh! They climb on the same merry go round every time they get a bug up their ass about minimum wage. Increasing minimum wages will always spike prices. I wish they knew something about how it works. fk they're stupid.

So what's the answer then? Flat line wages? You don't expect good effort then correct? The American way is not working year after year for the same wage is it? I've never believed in one's best effort despite wages.

 

[task0778]

So what's the answer then? Flat line wages? You don't expect good effort then correct? The American way is not working year after year for the same wage is it? I've never believed in one's best effort despite wages.

The answer is that employers should increase wages when performance/production improves. IOW, you earn it. If the employer won't increase the wages paid and an employee believes they are underpaid then they can and should look elsewhere for another job if their employer is unwilling to pay them what they think they deserve. It's a voluntary deal, there's no servitude here.

 

[initforme]

The answer is that employers should increase wages when performance/production improves. IOW, you earn it. If the employer won't increase the wages paid and an employee believes they are underpaid then they can and should look elsewhere for another job if their employer is unwilling to pay them what they think they deserve. It's a voluntary deal, there's no servitude here.

But remember wages are tied to effort. More wage more effort. Less wage less effort. Capitalism at its basis. The american way.

 

[initforme]

The answer is that employers should increase wages when performance/production improves. IOW, you earn it. If the employer won't increase the wages paid and an employee believes they are underpaid then they can and should look elsewhere for another job if their employer is unwilling to pay them what they think they deserve. It's a voluntary deal, there's no servitude here.

What you are advocating gor are job hoppers. I understand that's what most employers are looking for. In that respect you are correct.

 

[sparky]

what you folks are missing is the disparity

~S~

 

[task0778]

But remember wages are tied to effort. More wage more effort. Less wage less effort. Capitalism at its basis. The american way.

I think you have it backwards, more effort gets you more wages and less effort gets you less wages and probably fired. If the gov't forces an employer to raise somebody's pay, that is not going to motivate that employee to work any harder.

... Intuitively, one would think that higher pay should produce better results, but scientific evidence indicates that the link between compensation, motivation and performance is much more complex. In fact, research suggests that even if we let people decide how much they should earn, they would probably not enjoy their job more.
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Intrinsic motivation is also a stronger predictor of job performance than extrinsic motivation — so it is feasible to expect higher financial rewards to inhibit not only intrinsic motivation, but also job performance. The more people focus on their salaries, the less they will focus on satisfying their intellectual curiosity, learning new skills, or having fun, and those are the very things that make people perform best.

The fact that there is little evidence to show that money motivates us, and a great deal of evidence to suggest that it actually demotivates us, supports the idea that that there may be hidden costs associated with rewards.

Does Money Really Affect Motivation? A Review of the Research

We all need to get paid. But the evidence suggests it undermines our intrinsic motivations.

hbr.org

 

[IM2]

That's true. And it is not govts' business to "redistribute wealth for 'fairness.'" But, there's no doubt that Slick managed to increase federal aid for after school care, while also getting people who were getting by on welfare to get jobs. Similarly, even gopers in red states are expanding medicaid to cover workers who don't get a healthcare benefit. Although, Obama is largely to blame for banks foreclosing on workers while we bailed out banks and 401K/iras

Bush bailed out the banks.

 

[IM2]

I think you have it backwards, more effort gets you more wages and less effort gets you less wages and probably fired. If the gov't forces an employer to raise somebody's pay, that is not going to motivate that employee to work any harder.

... Intuitively, one would think that higher pay should produce better results, but scientific evidence indicates that the link between compensation, motivation and performance is much more complex. In fact, research suggests that even if we let people decide how much they should earn, they would probably not enjoy their job more.
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Intrinsic motivation is also a stronger predictor of job performance than extrinsic motivation — so it is feasible to expect higher financial rewards to inhibit not only intrinsic motivation, but also job performance. The more people focus on their salaries, the less they will focus on satisfying their intellectual curiosity, learning new skills, or having fun, and those are the very things that make people perform best.

The fact that there is little evidence to show that money motivates us, and a great deal of evidence to suggest that it actually demotivates us, supports the idea that that there may be hidden costs associated with rewards.

Does Money Really Affect Motivation? A Review of the Research

We all need to get paid. But the evidence suggests it undermines our intrinsic motivations.

hbr.org

Actually you get what you pay for. Expecting maximum effort for minimum pay doesn't work.