Unions say Obama is destroying the foundation of the 40-hour work week

[NYcarbineer]

The road to ruin is paved with clueless utopian ideals.

The same thing could be said of those that are afraid of change.

What the hell is that supposed to mean?
One of the most dangerous of all human ideas is change for the sake of change.
How many bazillions of times does it take for people like you to realize that 'if it isn't broke, don't fix it' are words of very wise people?

Our healthcare system isn't broke? Doesn't need any improvement?

We pay almost twice as much for healthcare as the rest of the civilized world. Our healthcare is not twice as good as theirs.

That's a legitimate problem.

 

[NYcarbineer]

And suddenly the 'nuts are siding with big Labor, just so they can bash Obama again.

How utterly unsurprising.

You stupid fuck.
The Unions have figured out that our Half White President lied about this.
You are black, aren't you?

What country are you from, again? Why are you on an American msg board?

 

[Mac1958]

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There is, has been, and will continue to be one (1) response to anyone who does not like Obamacare. This includes any individual, business owner or union rep who isn't happy about it.

If your business is damaged, if you lose your job, if your hours and income are decreased, if you lose your current health plan, if you have to find a new doctor, if you don't get hired for a position because that business can't afford the associated costs due to the ACA, I hope you're paying attention here.

Two simple words everyone should know by now, since it's essentially what anyone is told when they bring up something negative about the law. Please make a mental note for future reference.

Write them down if you need to:

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[Freewill]

The same thing could be said of those that are afraid of change.

What the hell is that supposed to mean?
One of the most dangerous of all human ideas is change for the sake of change.
How many bazillions of times does it take for people like you to realize that 'if it isn't broke, don't fix it' are words of very wise people?

Our healthcare system isn't broke? Doesn't need any improvement?

We pay almost twice as much for healthcare as the rest of the civilized world. Our healthcare is not twice as good as theirs.

That's a legitimate problem.

What is the cause of that cost? Too much or too little government interference? Do we pay doctors and nurses too much? Any cost chart I see has insurance company administration at about 5 percent of the cost, do away with that and you still have the highest prices. In my opinion something does need done. Most times if you tell the doctor you are paying and not insurance the cost is much less. Why? Because those paying for insurance have to pay for those who are not paying.

I had it explained to me just the other day. Someone needs an operation, if they work they can't afford the health care cost thus the implication is they don't get the operation. But if they don't have income they get free health care from Medicaid. So I am not really quite sure where there is a problem. What is wanted is apparently free for everyone. The alternative I don't know.

It was also said that the problems with Obamacare are all due to Republicans. Apparently, unknown to anyone, Obama put things into the law to applease Republicans, and these things are what make the bill bad. Of course when asked, what are they or will Obamacare take care of the problems mentioned the answer is always, I don't know.

So Republicans who didn't vote for the bill, had no real influence in the bill and still do not support Obamacare are the problem. Right. But maybe there is a shred of logic in that thought. The liberals are apparently saying they can't do it themselves they need help and history has shown they are right. So the Republicans, by letting the democrats dictate Obamacare all on their own, are the problem. But in reality the reason liberals want conservatives involved is so they have a scape goat. Control of at least 2/3s of the government since 2006 and they refuse to accept any blame for the failures of the country.

 

[Freewill]

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There is, has been, and will continue to be one (1) response to anyone who does not like Obamacare. This includes any individual, business owner or union rep who isn't happy about it.

If your business is damaged, if you lose your job, if your hours and income are decreased, if you lose your current health plan, if you have to find a new doctor, if you don't get hired for a position because that business can't afford the associated costs due to the ACA, I hope you're paying attention here.

Two simple words everyone should know by now, since it's essentially what anyone is told when they bring up something negative about the law. Please make a mental note for future reference.

Write them down if you need to:

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I have already been told if I should retire I will lose my health care in 2015 and will have to fend for myself and my wife on Obama exchanges. I seriously doubt the company even knows the ramifications. I think this because I asked. I asked specifically what happens after 2014 and I was told by the human relations rep. "We don't know."

I took this job with the promise of future compenstation. I was specific in making it abundantly clear that I was worried about my retirement and didn't want to make a move that would do anything to jeopardize my retirement plans. They promised 3 years, they obviously lied. My fault should have gotten it in writing but I never thought in a million years they would do such at thing.

 

[Mac1958]

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There is, has been, and will continue to be one (1) response to anyone who does not like Obamacare. This includes any individual, business owner or union rep who isn't happy about it.

If your business is damaged, if you lose your job, if your hours and income are decreased, if you lose your current health plan, if you have to find a new doctor, if you don't get hired for a position because that business can't afford the associated costs due to the ACA, I hope you're paying attention here.

Two simple words everyone should know by now, since it's essentially what anyone is told when they bring up something negative about the law. Please make a mental note for future reference.

Write them down if you need to:

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I have already been told if I should retire I will lose my health care in 2015 and will have to fend for myself and my wife on Obama exchanges. I seriously doubt the company even knows the ramifications. I think this because I asked. I asked specifically what happens after 2014 and I was told by the human relations rep. "We don't know."

I took this job with the promise of future compenstation. I was specific in making it abundantly clear that I was worried about my retirement and didn't want to make a move that would do anything to jeopardize my retirement plans. They promised 3 years, they obviously lied. My fault should have gotten it in writing but I never thought in a million years they would do such at thing.

Yeah, that's shitty. Sometimes we end up being punished for planning ahead, not a good thing.

It's far more than HR reps, too. My best friend is a VP with a medical software company and he says the whole system is a disaster. The company was doing well until the ACA, now it's literally in trouble - the rules have changed several times, some rules are not even in place yet, large companies are waiting on the software updates and they don't even exist yet. The whole industry is in crisis because the feds can't get their shit together. Gee, what a shock.

Oh well, as I said, if we don't like it, tough shit.

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[Freewill]

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There is, has been, and will continue to be one (1) response to anyone who does not like Obamacare. This includes any individual, business owner or union rep who isn't happy about it.

If your business is damaged, if you lose your job, if your hours and income are decreased, if you lose your current health plan, if you have to find a new doctor, if you don't get hired for a position because that business can't afford the associated costs due to the ACA, I hope you're paying attention here.

Two simple words everyone should know by now, since it's essentially what anyone is told when they bring up something negative about the law. Please make a mental note for future reference.

Write them down if you need to:

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I have already been told if I should retire I will lose my health care in 2015 and will have to fend for myself and my wife on Obama exchanges. I seriously doubt the company even knows the ramifications. I think this because I asked. I asked specifically what happens after 2014 and I was told by the human relations rep. "We don't know."

I took this job with the promise of future compenstation. I was specific in making it abundantly clear that I was worried about my retirement and didn't want to make a move that would do anything to jeopardize my retirement plans. They promised 3 years, they obviously lied. My fault should have gotten it in writing but I never thought in a million years they would do such at thing.

Yeah, that's shitty. Sometimes we end up being punished for planning ahead, not a good thing.

It's far more than HR reps, too. My best friend is a VP with a medical software company and he says the whole system is a disaster. The company was doing well until the ACA, now it's literally in trouble - the rules have changed several times, some rules are not even in place yet, large companies are waiting on the software updates and they don't even exist yet. The whole industry is in crisis because the feds can't get their shit together. Gee, what a shock.

Oh well, as I said, if we don't like it, tough shit.

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And as my liberal friend said, it is all Republicans fault.

 

[thereisnospoon]

I'm not trying to contradict what you are saying. I'm just saying youre wrong. People choose to do business in certain ways. You assertion that everything is going down the toilet because of higher taxes on business owners is ridiculous. There is a reason i only listen to wealthy business owners. You start buying peoples opinions you usually end up with their lifestyle

Just exactly what is your interest in supporting Obamacare? Expect to get it free off the backs of other taxpayers. do you?..Have a few relatives who are mooching off you and when Obamacare kicks in, you can finally get them the hell out of your house?
Or may be a couple boomerang kids you are sick of having gobble up a weeks worth of groceries by Tuesday of each week?
Either way, like I said, those who support Obamacare do so because they believe there is something in it for THEM..

My interest is in making sure people in our nation have health care. All of my family is employed or own businesses. it doesnt make sense that we didnt have this in place. Suck it up for the betterment of our nation. We can iron out the wrinkles as we go.

Ironing out the wrinkles as we go is the very reason why so few of Americans actualy trust government to do what it claims it will do.
Have WHAT in place?
This system changes nothing. There are still millions who will not be insured. The costs to insure will in some cases put health insurance out of reach for middle class Americans.
For example. Let's say there is a married couple with two kids with a household income of $70k..This is considered middle class. Their current employer provided insurance plan covers 80% of their losses with a $1000 per year deductible for each person. The plan costs $400 per month..
Now, with Obamacare the typical plan costs 18% of gross earnings. 18% of $70k is $12,600 or about $1,000 per month. These people are NOT subsidized because their earnings are about $10 above 400% of federal poverty.The Bronze plan covers only 60% of medical expenses.
So you tell me, where is the benefit of THAT?
Where the hell do you expect these people to go to come up with $1,000 per month?
I will tell you....One will quit work. Here's why...Let's say one spouse makes $50k per year..The other $20k....$50k gets them well under the threshold to receive Obama care subsidies. The subsidy will gobble up the equivalent of any earnings the lower paid spouse( after deductions and taxes) could ever make. So the job that spouse one had is 'lost'..Real productive, huh?
One other issue that may arise...Strategic divorce. If a couple decide to get a divorce, that will limit their exposure to Obamacare and put them into a position to receive subsidies. The couple can live together as husband and wife yet on paper not be married.
This plan is a disaster. There are democrats from right leaning states that are having their doubts. The union leaderships are incensed over this shit.
Unions were the biggest supporters of Obama. Not so much anymore..
What say you?

 

[thereisnospoon]

And suddenly the 'nuts are siding with big Labor, just so they can bash Obama again.

How utterly unsurprising.

No..Big labor is bashing Obama..we are simply sitting back and enjoying it.
I like how you libs replace the word "criticism" with "bashing"..
Bullshit. Your side is simply changing the narrative.
You know in which orifice you can stick that.

 

[thereisnospoon]

The first part of your post i commend you on. The last part you tripped and fell down. Slaves werent freed then everything was fine. As an immigrant you must not be aware of the history of racial oppression in this country after slavery was outlawed.

So, are you saying that as an immigrant I have no knowledge of hate and discrimination?

Tell me when was the last time those crybabies I referred to earlier were subjected to signs at windows at potential employers saying that "NO blacks need apply". I saw signs saying "No Hungarians need apply", because when the Revolution of 1956 opened the doors of prisons to free political prisoners, they also let free killers, murderers and rapists, who wasted no time to find refuge in a free country, and even more so, wasted no time to resort to their criminal ways, thereby ruining chances of those of us who just wanted to work, learn English and be part of our new country.

None of the reparation cry babies had to face what I faced. They all had the protection and the artificial and undeserved advancement of affirmative action.

I don't give a damn about what the grandparents of today's cry babies had to face. There is a good chance that if they were here today, they would be ashamed of childish and petulant pieces of crap like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and Cornell West.

Not to mention the cry babies on this board.

I'm saying you dont know what you are talking about in regards to the conditions here in this country towards Blacks. What you experienced is nothing compared to what they experienced. All you had to do was change your name and learn to speak without an accent. When you turn Black let me know and we can compare notes on what its like.

Oh boo fucking hoo hoo.
And YOU DO...You must be a miracle. Over 150 years old then..
The problem you people have is getting by the reality that you cannot dredge up the past to create an advantage for yourselves any longer.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Do you think that the POTUS wants to harm people or do you think this may be an example of momentary discomfort to reach a better state for the American worker?

What makes you think ACA is for the betterment of the American worker?
My cost to insure is going to triple for the same coverage we have now. Unless of course we choose that shitty Bronze Plan which will leave us with 40% of the cost.
This is Obama's plan to increase dependency on government.
This is all part of the grand scheme to increase the base of democrat voters.
It all goes back to 'free shit'...The more people dependent on government, the more voters for those who provide 'free shit'...
Betterment of the American worker. MY ASS...

Well if its going to screw the public I would think it would lose votes for the Dems. Did you ever consider that?

Putz..When close to half the population is either living tax free or receiving public assistance, what the fuck does your brain tell you for whim they will vote?
The problem with socialism is when it runs out of other people's money to fund social programs.

 

[thereisnospoon]

The same thing could be said of those that are afraid of change.

It has become painfully obvious that those who support of Obamacare do so because they think something is in it for THEM...

Actually I already have my medical taken care of. i think its the necrotic part of our society that wishes people to not have access to affordable health care that constantly live in fear something new is going to hurt them.

So who are the 'wishers'? Identify them!
Is there single person you can quote that has stated they wish others to have no health insurance?
Your argument is rapidly running out of gas because the utter vapidity of your posts is evident.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Its only giving them the shaft if they decide to stay loyal to that business thats cutting their hours instead of the business cutting their profit margin. I found out long ago that there is a business principle that mandates the compensation you as an employee receive is roughly a 3rd of the profit your work generates.

The reduction of hours will eventually be across the board.
Jobs will be lost to automation. They will be lost to businesses closing up shop. Jobs will be lost to consolidation.
All because of increased costs due to ACA.

That was going to happen anyway with or without ACA. People dont seem to understand times are changing. Most business owners are only looking out for themselves and their shareholders. Just wait until all jobs become totally commision or partly commision based.

Oh bullshit. Stop with the lib talking points.
BTW, commission based wages are an incentive for people to find ways to give THEMSELVES a raise.
Of course libs and unionists abhor the concept of productivity.
You bitch about full time employment disappearing yet you concede the notion that it may happen anyway? Come again?

 

[thereisnospoon]

Initially no the employers wont want to eat it. They know that they can get people to work harder and for less. AS employees become more savvy and less loyal, the businesses will be forced to either hire more people or raise hours and wages. Prices wont go up past a certain point or they will price themselves out of business.

That's stupid. Everything is relative. All business will be under the same law. Business will do what it must to protect itself. Business owners will find ways around the ACA regulations. One of those is reducing hours so that employees are not eligible for ACA.
Small business with slightly more than 50 employees, will get that number below 50 so as to evade Obamacare. Mid sized firms will split up to form smaller companies which will reclassify them as small business.
Of course people on your side will scream from the roof tops that "business is being selfish. The business owner is screwing their workers!!!"...No, not at all. Business owners will do what they must to protect their investment and the jobs those investments create.
What's better, jobs where the hours are fewer? Or no jobs at all?

I agree everything is relative. Everyone will adjust to the new reality including employers and employees. All this noise is just that...noise.

You will not be permitted to dance your way around the above. This is the reality that ACA has created. YOU are responsible because YOU voted for this shit.
Did you really think there was a magic wand to be waved which would make things all better? Did you not think there would be backlash against this?
Please.. EVERYTHING government does comes with consequences. Mostly unintended.

 

[thereisnospoon]

The same thing could be said of those that are afraid of change.

What the hell is that supposed to mean?
One of the most dangerous of all human ideas is change for the sake of change.
How many bazillions of times does it take for people like you to realize that 'if it isn't broke, don't fix it' are words of very wise people?

Our healthcare system isn't broke? Doesn't need any improvement?

We pay almost twice as much for healthcare as the rest of the civilized world. Our healthcare is not twice as good as theirs.

That's a legitimate problem.

Yes, there is a legitimate problem. However the 'solution' our geniuses in DC is WORSE.

 

[thereisnospoon]

And suddenly the 'nuts are siding with big Labor, just so they can bash Obama again.

How utterly unsurprising.

You stupid fuck.
The Unions have figured out that our Half White President lied about this.
You are black, aren't you?

What country are you from, again? Why are you on an American msg board?

Have you asked Londoner or noomi that same question?

 

[kaz]

No actually he already pays for their health care 100% He believes paying taxes is the price you pay for being able to be a capitalist.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7Arnq_moPY]It's Not a Lie if YOU Believe it - YouTube[/ame]

I would say that too if I didnt know any successful people.

Doesn't matter if you do or don't because if you do, you learned nothing from them about success or business.

If you think healthcare is expensive now, it's about to start getting a whole lot more expensive. Employers are already getting socked with it. We've been getting letters from our insurance companies all year that costs are about to skyrocket. We haven't gotten 2014 premiums yet, it's coming soon. You think we're not going to pass that back to the employees you're just living in a dream world.

I understand you want other people to pay your bills, what I don't understand is how you think sucking the people dry who pay your bills isn't eventually going to harm you. It already is BTW, you're just not that observant. But it's about to become a lot more obvious. We'll see when you start to realize as medical costs skyrocket and the quality of care plummets at what point you start to realize that maybe it wasn't such a good idea.

 

[RKMBrown]

It's Not a Lie if YOU Believe it - YouTube

I would say that too if I didnt know any successful people.

Doesn't matter if you do or don't because if you do, you learned nothing from them about success or business.

If you think healthcare is expensive now, it's about to start getting a whole lot more expensive. Employers are already getting socked with it. We've been getting letters from our insurance companies all year that costs are about to skyrocket. We haven't gotten 2014 premiums yet, it's coming soon. You think we're not going to pass that back to the employees you're just living in a dream world.

I understand you want other people to pay your bills, what I don't understand is how you think sucking the people dry who pay your bills isn't eventually going to harm you. It already is BTW, you're just not that observant. But it's about to become a lot more obvious. We'll see when you start to realize as medical costs skyrocket and the quality of care plummets at what point you start to realize that maybe it wasn't such a good idea.

Why should democrats care about the cost, their plan is to make evil rich republicans pay for it.

 

[healthmyths]

We have confirmed more than 100 Emory health care employees are going to lose their jobs in part because of the Affordable (health) Care Act," said a local anchor.

"I think it's bad it's affordable health care and people are losing their jobs," said a man interviewed by the reporter.

"It's sad. It really is," said another man.
"A lot of people are going to lose their homes and cars and everything they worked all their life for."
Georgia Healthcare Company to Lay Off Over 100 Because of Obamacare | The Weekly Standard

But remember Obama told us he favored this consequence!!

Obama has told us :"I happen to be a proponent of a single payer universal health care program"
Which means Obama wants to put the 1,300 health insurance companies out of business that pay $100 billion in taxes including in some of your towns property taxes on office buildings,etc while laying off 400,000 health insurance employees!

It seems very obvious to me that if Obama wants ONE payer and not 1,300 health insurance payers... he favors the
above layoffs! He favors the fact this company and the other 1,300 will be paying lower Federal,state/local and in some cases less property taxes and people in Detroit can tell you what happened to their property taxes while at the same time there were less
cops on patrol!

All because Obama has NO Concept of what it means to be "profitable"! He has been paid ALL HIS life from taxes collected from profits!

 

[Asclepias]

It has become painfully obvious that those who support of Obamacare do so because they think something is in it for THEM...

Actually I already have my medical taken care of. i think its the necrotic part of our society that wishes people to not have access to affordable health care that constantly live in fear something new is going to hurt them.

So who are the 'wishers'? Identify them!
Is there single person you can quote that has stated they wish others to have no health insurance?
Your argument is rapidly running out of gas because the utter vapidity of your posts is evident.

You for one. If this was a pressing issue why didnt you right leaning people already have a plan in place under Regan and Bush administrations?