Was JFK the last conservative democrat president?

[Stephanie]

Yes, he also fought for civil rights and equal opportunities for blacks, worked tirelessly against poverty.

His "Ask not what your country can do for you" line has been completely misconstrued by today's conservatives. That was a call to public service for young people when he started the Peace Corps. He wanted young college graduates to spend two years working in Third World countries to promote peaceful economic growth in those countries rather than staying at home and making big bucks with their college degrees.

JFK was positively loathed by conservatives, both for his civil rights stance and his programs to aid the poor.

you're just full of bs

what party was KKK?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Prove it.

How many Blue Dogs are left in the party today?
Very, very few, there is your proof.

Kennedy was not a Blue Dog Democrat. You're nuts.

Kennedy was a god damn liberal by today standards either you're fucking stupid if you say he was.
He may have been the last classic liberal.

 

[NYcarbineer]

bull shit Kennedy was not as liberal as you think. Hell he might have been a classic liberal but not this modern day bull shit that you push.

Kennedy's tax cuts didn't balance the budget. Reagan's tax cuts didn't balance the budget. Bush's tax cuts didn't balance the budget.

You're talking bull shit without knowing what you are talking about.
JFK was assassinated before his tax cut policy was voted for in the senate. So duces bag tell me how in the hell could JFK tax cut policy be deemed a failure?

It is quite possible that the tax cut would have died in the Senate, but the political landscape changed strikingly before the Senate could act, when President Kennedy was assassinated on Nov. 22, 1963.

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/09/24/50-years-after-the-house-vote-for-the-kennedy-tax-cut/

And Reagan you're joking of course.

Not counting the Clinton years, there was only one year of a balanced budget after 1960.

It was 1969, and it occurred the year after LBJ and Congress imposed a 10% income tax surcharge on the American people towards paying for the Vietnam War.

Budget history:

Historical Federal Receipt and Outlay Summary

The tax increase:

Revenue and Expenditure Control Act of 1968 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[NYcarbineer]

Yes, he also fought for civil rights and equal opportunities for blacks, worked tirelessly against poverty.

His "Ask not what your country can do for you" line has been completely misconstrued by today's conservatives. That was a call to public service for young people when he started the Peace Corps. He wanted young college graduates to spend two years working in Third World countries to promote peaceful economic growth in those countries rather than staying at home and making big bucks with their college degrees.

JFK was positively loathed by conservatives, both for his civil rights stance and his programs to aid the poor.

you're just full of bs

what party was KKK?

What party is Zell Miller?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Kennedy's tax cuts didn't balance the budget. Reagan's tax cuts didn't balance the budget. Bush's tax cuts didn't balance the budget.

You're talking bull shit without knowing what you are talking about.
JFK was assassinated before his tax cut policy was voted for in the senate. So duces bag tell me how in the hell could JFK tax cut policy be deemed a failure?

It is quite possible that the tax cut would have died in the Senate, but the political landscape changed strikingly before the Senate could act, when President Kennedy was assassinated on Nov. 22, 1963.

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/09/24/50-years-after-the-house-vote-for-the-kennedy-tax-cut/

And Reagan you're joking of course.

Not counting the Clinton years, there was only one year of a balanced budget after 1960.

Once you lie everything else is meaningless and irrelevant.
Clinton surplus was a myth contributed with his transferring money from social security to the general fund.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Yes, he also fought for civil rights and equal opportunities for blacks, worked tirelessly against poverty.

His "Ask not what your country can do for you" line has been completely misconstrued by today's conservatives. That was a call to public service for young people when he started the Peace Corps. He wanted young college graduates to spend two years working in Third World countries to promote peaceful economic growth in those countries rather than staying at home and making big bucks with their college degrees.

JFK was positively loathed by conservatives, both for his civil rights stance and his programs to aid the poor.

you're just full of bs

what party was KKK?

What party is Zell Miller?

Bryd,

 

[Smilodonfatalis]

You're talking bull shit without knowing what you are talking about.
JFK was assassinated before his tax cut policy was voted for in the senate. So duces bag tell me how in the hell could JFK tax cut policy be deemed a failure?

It is quite possible that the tax cut would have died in the Senate, but the political landscape changed strikingly before the Senate could act, when President Kennedy was assassinated on Nov. 22, 1963.

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/09/24/50-years-after-the-house-vote-for-the-kennedy-tax-cut/

And Reagan you're joking of course.

It's a well known fact that Reagan's tax cuts increased the debt and of course never balanced the budget.

Horse shit unless your over thirty you are dumber than a stump when it comes to Reagan. Reagan increased spending in the military industry to bring down the soviet union. So you can shut the fuck up also.

I am 51 years old.

Go look up the statistics.

Deficits and debt did increase under Reagan.

That is a cold hard fact.

 

[Bfgrn]

You're talking bull shit without knowing what you are talking about.
JFK was assassinated before his tax cut policy was voted for in the senate. So duces bag tell me how in the hell could JFK tax cut policy be deemed a failure?

It is quite possible that the tax cut would have died in the Senate, but the political landscape changed strikingly before the Senate could act, when President Kennedy was assassinated on Nov. 22, 1963.

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/09/24/50-years-after-the-house-vote-for-the-kennedy-tax-cut/

And Reagan you're joking of course.

As I've said numerous times, dumbest poster around here. Reagan ran up massive deficits.

I never meant to say that Reagan was conservative by my standards, rather, he was considered conservative for the standards at that time.

I predict that within 10 years, Obama will be looked at as conservative. It's simply the progressive formula of inching their way towards a leftist utopia.

What I see today, however, is less inching and more like jumping towards tyranny.

“Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. Reagan was an ideological inflection point, ending a 50-year liberal ascendancy and beginning a 30-year conservative ascendancy."
Charles Krauthammer

BOTH parties have moved to the right over the last 30+ years. I remember having a LIBERAL Republican senator and governor here in NYS...Jacob Javits and Nelson Rockefeller.

Dwight Eisenhower's administration was to the left of today's Democratic Party.

HERE is what the Republican Party USED to stand for...

Excerpt from:
Republican Party Platform of 1956
August 20, 1956


Our Government was created by the people for all the people, and it must serve no less a purpose.

The Republican Party was formed 100 years ago to preserve the Nation's devotion to these ideals.

On its Centennial, the Republican Party again calls to the minds of all Americans the great truth first spoken by Abraham Lincoln: "The legitimate object of Government is to do for a community of people whatever they need to have done but cannot do at all, or cannot so well do, for themselves in their separate and individual capacities. But in all that people can individually do as well for themselves, Government ought not to interfere."

Our great President Dwight D. Eisenhower has counseled us further: "In all those things which deal with people, be liberal, be human. In all those things which deal with people's money, or their economy, or their form of government, be conservative.

"We shall ever build anew, that our children and their children, without distinction because of race, creed or color, may know the blessings of our free land.

We are proud of and shall continue our far-reaching and sound advances in matters of basic human needs-expansion of social security-broadened coverage in unemployment insurance - improved housing- and better health protection for all our people. We are determined that our government remain warmly responsive to the urgent social and economic problems of our people.

Labor
"Under the Republican Administration, as our country has prospered, so have its people. This is as it should be, for as President Eisenhower said: "Labor is the United States. The men and women, who with their minds, their hearts and hands, create the wealth that is shared in this country...they are America."

The Eisenhower Administration has brought to our people the highest employment, the highest wages and the highest standard of living ever enjoyed by any nation. Today there are nearly 67 million men and women at work in the United States, 4 million more than in 1952. Wages have increased substantially over the past 3 1/2 years; but, more important, the American wage earner today can buy more than ever before for himself and his family because his pay check has not been eaten away by rising taxes and soaring prices.

The record of performance of the Republican Administration on behalf of our working men and women goes still further. The Federal minimum wage has been raised for more than 2 million workers. Social Security has been extended to an additional 10 million workers and the benefits raised for 6 1/2 million. The protection of unemployment insurance has been brought to 4 million additional workers. There have been increased workmen's compensation benefits for longshoremen and harbor workers, increased retirement benefits for railroad employees, and wage increases and improved welfare and pension plans for federal employees.

In addition, the Eisenhower Administration has enforced more vigorously and effectively than ever before, the laws which protect the working standards of our people.

Workers have benefited by the progress which has been made in carrying out the programs and principles set forth in the 1952 Republican platform. All workers have gained and unions have grown in strength and responsibility, and have increased their membership by 2 millions.

Furthermore, the process of free collective bargaining has been strengthened by the insistence of this Administration that labor and management settle their differences at the bargaining table without the intervention of the Government. This policy has brought to our country an unprecedented period of labor-management peace and understanding...

Republican action created the Department of Health, Education and Welfare as the first new Federal department in 40 years, to raise the continuing consideration of these problems for the first time to the highest council of Government, the President's Cabinet.... We have supported the distribution of free vaccine to protect millions of children against dreaded polio.

Republican leadership has enlarged Federal assistance for construction of hospitals, emphasizing low-cost care of chronic diseases and the special problems of older persons, and increased Federal aid for medical care of the needy.

We have asked the largest increase in research funds ever sought in one year to intensify attacks on cancer, mental illness, heart disease and other dread diseases."

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=25838

 

[Bfgrn]

It's a well known fact that Reagan's tax cuts increased the debt and of course never balanced the budget.

Horse shit unless your over thirty you are dumber than a stump when it comes to Reagan. Reagan increased spending in the military industry to bring down the soviet union. So you can shut the fuck up also.

I am 51 years old.

Go look up the statistics.

Deficits and debt did increase under Reagan.

That is a cold hard fact.

Where did our debt come from? When did massive debt become part of the American economy?

Reagan switched the federal government from what he critically called, a “tax and spend” policy, to a “borrow and spend” policy, where the government continued its heavy spending, but used borrowed money instead of tax revenue to pay the bills. The results were catastrophic. Although it had taken the United States more than 200 years to accumulate the first $1 trillion of national debt, it took only five years under Reagan to add the second one trillion dollars to the debt. By the end of the 12 years of the Reagan-Bush administrations, the national debt had quadrupled to $4 trillion!

 

[Stephanie]

Yes, he also fought for civil rights and equal opportunities for blacks, worked tirelessly against poverty.

His "Ask not what your country can do for you" line has been completely misconstrued by today's conservatives. That was a call to public service for young people when he started the Peace Corps. He wanted young college graduates to spend two years working in Third World countries to promote peaceful economic growth in those countries rather than staying at home and making big bucks with their college degrees.

JFK was positively loathed by conservatives, both for his civil rights stance and his programs to aid the poor.

you're just full of bs

what party was KKK?

What party is Zell Miller?

what party was Robert Byrd?

 

[hangover]

JFK was not a con. He was going to end the Vietnam war, which is why he was assassinated. That, and his equal rights for blacks and women made him a solid liberal.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

It's a well known fact that Reagan's tax cuts increased the debt and of course never balanced the budget.

Horse shit unless your over thirty you are dumber than a stump when it comes to Reagan. Reagan increased spending in the military industry to bring down the soviet union. So you can shut the fuck up also.

I am 51 years old.

Go look up the statistics.

Deficits and debt did increase under Reagan.

That is a cold hard fact.

I bet you think Reaganomics was a failure also?
Just exactly do you pull your facts from obama's asshole?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

JFK was not a con. He was going to end the Vietnam war, which is why he was assassinated. That, and his equal rights for blacks and women made him a solid liberal.

There is no fucking way in hell JFK was a modern day liberal.

 

[Plasmaball]

The Democratic Party has moved so far left that JFK couldn't even win the nomination today.

Indeed. Jack Kennedy would be a republican today, called a Teabagger and generally derided by the communists that call themselves "democrats" today.

No he wouldnt be..if anything he would be a moderate where most of you would still consider him to progressively liberal.
See mccain as an example.

 

[Smilodonfatalis]

You're talking bull shit without knowing what you are talking about.
JFK was assassinated before his tax cut policy was voted for in the senate. So duces bag tell me how in the hell could JFK tax cut policy be deemed a failure?

It is quite possible that the tax cut would have died in the Senate, but the political landscape changed strikingly before the Senate could act, when President Kennedy was assassinated on Nov. 22, 1963.

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/09/24/50-years-after-the-house-vote-for-the-kennedy-tax-cut/

And Reagan you're joking of course.

It's a well known fact that Reagan's tax cuts increased the debt and of course never balanced the budget.

Horse shit unless your over thirty you are dumber than a stump when it comes to Reagan. Reagan increased spending in the military industry to bring down the soviet union. So you can shut the fuck up also.

National debt graph per president.
National Debt Graph by President

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The Democratic Party has moved so far left that JFK couldn't even win the nomination today.

Indeed. Jack Kennedy would be a republican today, called a Teabagger and generally derided by the communists that call themselves "democrats" today.

No he wouldnt be..if anything he would be a moderate where most of you would still consider him to progressively liberal.
See mccain as an example.

OH YEAH ANY MAN THAT WOULD SAY THIS WOULD BE DEEMED A PROGRESSIVE LIBERAL

A tax cut means higher family income and higher business profits and a balanced federal budget.... As the national income grows, the federal government will ultimately end up with more revenues. Prosperity is the real way to balance our budget. By lowering tax rates, by increasing jobs and income, we can expand tax revenues and finally bring our budget into balance.

 

[Bfgrn]

Horse shit unless your over thirty you are dumber than a stump when it comes to Reagan. Reagan increased spending in the military industry to bring down the soviet union. So you can shut the fuck up also.

I am 51 years old.

Go look up the statistics.

Deficits and debt did increase under Reagan.

That is a cold hard fact.

I bet you think Reaganomics was a failure also?
Just exactly do you pull your facts from obama's asshole?

The Myths of Reaganomics

Mises Daily: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 by Murray N. Rothbard

I come to bury Reaganomics, not to praise it.

Government Spending. How well did Reagan succeed in cutting government spending, surely a critical ingredient in any plan to reduce the role of government in everyone's life? In 1980, the last year of free-spending Jimmy Carter the federal government spent $591 billion. In 1986, the last recorded year of the Reagan administration, the federal government spent $990 billion, an increase of 68%. Whatever this is, it is emphatically not reducing government expenditures.

Sophisticated economists say that these absolute numbers are an unfair comparison, that we should compare federal spending in these two years as percentage of gross national product. But this strikes me as unfair in the opposite direction, because the greater the amount of inflation generated by the federal government, the higher will be the GNP. We might then be complimenting the government on a lower percentage of spending achieved by the government's generating inflation by creating more money. But even taking these percentages of GNP figures, we get federal spending as percent of GNP in 1980 as 21.6%, and after six years of Reagan, 24.3%. A better comparison would be percentage of federal spending to net private product, that is, production of the private sector. That percentage was 31.1% in 1980, and a shocking 34.3% in 1986. So even using percentages, the Reagan administration has brought us a substantial increase in government spending.

Also, the excuse cannot be used that Congress massively increased Reagan's budget proposals. On the contrary, there was never much difference between Reagan's and Congress's budgets, and despite propaganda to the contrary, Reagan never proposed a cut in the total budget.

Deficits. The next, and admittedly the most embarrassing, failure of Reaganomic goals is the deficit. Jimmy Carter habitually ran deficits of $40-50 billion and, by the end, up to $74 billion; but by 1984, when Reagan had promised to achieve a balanced budget, the deficit had settled down comfortably to about $200 billion, a level that seems to be permanent, despite desperate attempts to cook the figures in one-shot reductions.

This is by far the largest budget deficit in American history. It is true that the $50 billion deficits in World War II were a much higher percentage of the GNP; but the point is that that was a temporary, one-shot situation, the product of war finance. But the war was over in a few years; and the current federal deficits now seem to be a recent, but still permanent part of the American heritage.

One of the most curious, and least edifying, sights in the Reagan era was to see the Reaganites completely change their tune of a lifetime. At the very beginning of the Reagan administration, the conservative Republicans in the House of Representatives, convinced that deficits would disappear immediately, received a terrific shock when they were asked by the Reagan administration to vote for the usual annual increase in the statutory debt limit. These Republicans, some literally with tears in their eyes, protested that never in their lives had they voted for an increase in the national debt limit, but they were doing it just this one time because they "trusted Ronald Reagan" to balance the budget from then on. The rest, alas, is history, and the conservative Republicans never saw fit to cry again. Instead, they found themselves adjusting rather easily to the new era of huge permanent deficits. The Gramm-Rudman law, allegedly designed to eradicate deficits in a few years, has now unsurprisingly bogged down in enduring confusion.

The Myths of Reaganomics - Murray N. Rothbard - Mises Daily

 

[Plasmaball]

You cons would shit your pants if we went back to the tax rates that Kennedy supported.

Did you add in all these ones...

Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
Capital Gains Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Court Fines (indirect taxes)
Deficit spending
Dog License Tax
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel permit tax
Gasoline Tax
Hunting License Tax
Inflation
Inheritance Tax Interest expense (tax on the money)
Inventory tax IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax)
IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Local Income Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Septic Permit Tax
Service Charge Taxes
Social Security Tax
Road Usage Taxes (Truckers)
Sales Taxes
Recreational Vehicle Tax
Road Toll Booth Taxes
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone federal excise tax
Telephone federal universal service fee tax
Telephone federal, state and local surcharge taxes
Telephone minimum usage surcharge tax
Telephone recurring and non-recurring charges tax
Telephone state and local tax
Telephone usage charge tax
Toll Bridge Taxes
Toll Tunnel Taxes
Traffic Fines (indirect taxation)
Trailer Registration Tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax

How much tax do we really pay?

Let's just go with the federal income tax rate of 70% and the corporate tax rate of 48%.

Game and match...

 

[Plasmaball]

The Democratic Party has moved so far left that JFK couldn't even win the nomination today.

Prove it.

How many Blue Dogs are left in the party today?
Very, very few, there is your proof.

So what..both parties have moved to the extreme so nothing gets done

 

[Plasmaball]

The Democratic Party has moved so far left that JFK couldn't even win the nomination today.

JFK wouldn't be a democrat today.

He wouldnt be on your team thats for sure
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