We Finally Know the Case Against Trump, and It Is Strong

[WorldWatcher]

That is YOUR error, he paid off the porn star at Trump's instruction.

Correct, "at Trump's instruction", therefore showing Trump's intent and using his (Cohen's) own money. Money obtained by taking out a loan against his home.

Trump repaid him with personal funds.

Trump repaid him with business funds. The money plan was:

• Cohen took out a home loan to get the $130K,
• Cohen then created a shell company,
• Cohen then deposited the money from his home equity into the shell company,
• Cohen then paid the porn start from the shell company account,
• After the election Cohen invoiced the Trump Organization,
• Trump Organization CRO (Allen Weisseilberg) approved the invoice,
• The transaction was invoiced and logged as "legal expenses",
• A Check was cut by the business entity,
• Trump signed the check.

(The above derived from court documents, not talking heads.)

So factually, no Trump didn't pay out of personal funds, he paid with business funds. Hence the charge of falsification of business records at the felony level as (allegedly) attempting to aid and or conceal the illegal campaign contribution by Cohen.

WW

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Trump not being charged by the FEC does not clear Cohen of HIS conviction. So that statement is correct.




Sure he was. He paid a porn star just days before an election to aid the campaign of his boss. Classic "in kind" campaign contribution. He was charged and convicted.

WW

Classic "in kind" campaign contribution.

In-kind contributions - FEC.gov

FEC reporting example showing how a campaign for the House or Senate must itemize and disclose an in-kind contribution of goods or services received.

www.fec.gov

^This explains in-kind contributions.

Proper Use of Campaign Funds and Resources

Below is a condensed version of this topic. For complete guidance please refer to the House Ethics Manual, Chapter 4 on campaign activity.

ethics.house.gov

^This explains proper uses of campaign funds and “bona fide campaign or political purposes”

How does a bimbo payment fit into any of those?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Correct, using his own money. Money obtained by taking out a loan against his home.



Trump repaid him with business funds. The money plan was:

• Cohen took out a home loan to get the $130K,
• Cohen then created a shell company,
• Cohen then deposited the money from his home equity into the shell company,
• Cohen then paid the porn start from the shell company account,
• After the election Cohen invoiced the Trump Organization,
• Trump Organization CRO (Allen Weisseilberg) approved the invoice,
• The transaction was invoiced and logged as "legal expenses",
• A Check was cut by the business entity,
• Trump signed the check.

(The above derived from court documents, not talking heads.)

So factually, no Trump didn't pay out of personal funds, he paid with business funds. Hence the charge of falsification of business records at the felony level as (allegedly) attempting to aid and or conceal the illegal campaign contribution by Cohen.

WW

So factually, not Trump didn't pay out of personal funds, he paid with business funds.

Trump is the owner of the business.

attempting to aid and or conceal the illegal campaign contribution by Cohen.

There was no campaign contribution. Paying a bimbo isn't a campaign expense.
Campaign funds can't be used to pay a bimbo.

Proper Use of Campaign Funds and Resources

Below is a condensed version of this topic. For complete guidance please refer to the House Ethics Manual, Chapter 4 on campaign activity.

ethics.house.gov

Not unless you see something here ^ that I missed.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Trump is the owner of the business.

So?

Donald J. Trump and the Trump Organization are separate legal entities.

Funds that Donald Trump has in his personal checking account are different than corporate funds under the Trump Organization.

Trump's personal checking account does not fall under the New York State Penal Code for businesses, the Trump Organization does.

If he had cut a personal check, he wouldn't be in legal jeopardy under Section 175.10, but he didn't. He, Pecker, Weisseilberg, and Cohen created the plan to launder the money through the Trump Organization (a business entity).

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[Fort Fun Indiana]

Because you are factually wrong as numerous posters and media interviews of lawyers proves.

Numerous lawyers have said otherwise. Looks like ya got nothin

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

"We got him now!" #6793224567890912145593950

Meanwhile, violent crime is spiking in The City.

"The number of major crimes reported in February 2022 – 9,138 – represents a 19.7% from 2020 and a nearly 47% increase from 2019, city data shows."

New York City crime wave continues into 2022 as city rolls out safety plan | CNN

Major crimes in New York City spiked nearly 60% in February compared to the same month in 2021 -- a large majority occurring in a small swath of the metropolis -- as Mayor Eric Adams rolled out his plan to combat gun violence and crime in the city.

www.cnn.com

This distraction won't help the orange slob, sorry.

 

[The Duke]

This distraction won't help the orange slob, sorry.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Correct, "at Trump's instruction", therefore showing Trump's intent and using his (Cohen's) own money. Money obtained by taking out a loan against his home.



Trump repaid him with business funds. The money plan was:

• Cohen took out a home loan to get the $130K,
• Cohen then created a shell company,
• Cohen then deposited the money from his home equity into the shell company,
• Cohen then paid the porn start from the shell company account,
• After the election Cohen invoiced the Trump Organization,
• Trump Organization CRO (Allen Weisseilberg) approved the invoice,
• The transaction was invoiced and logged as "legal expenses",
• A Check was cut by the business entity,
• Trump signed the check.

(The above derived from court documents, not talking heads.)

So factually, no Trump didn't pay out of personal funds, he paid with business funds. Hence the charge of falsification of business records at the felony level as (allegedly) attempting to aid and or conceal the illegal campaign contribution by Cohen.

WW

His personal funds are his business funds, dumbass! I swear I have never seen anyone so thickheaded about the truth versus your fiction. That still doesn't make it a campaign contribution.

 

[WorldWatcher]

His personal funds are his business funds, dumbass!

Sorry LCDR,

Even a retired Chief understands that there is a difference between Donald J. Trump the individual and a personal checking account in his name and the Trump Organization as a business entity.

They are two seperate legal entities. One source of payment (DJT personal checking account) would not have been subject to Section 175.10 of the New York State Penal Code. The other (Trump Organization, the business) is subject to that section of the law.

I would hope you could understand such a basic fact concerning the law.

WW

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Sorry LCDR,

Even a retired Chief understands that there is a difference between Donald J. Trump the individual and a personal checking account in his name and the Trump Organization as a business entity.

They are two seperate legal entities. One source of payment (DJT personal checking account) would not have been subject to Section 175.10 of the New York State Penal Code. The other (Trump Organization, the business) is subject to that section of the law.

I would hope you could understand such a basic fact concerning the law.

WW

Who is the Trump Organization? Donald Trump is the only person to head his company. He probably has no personal checking account.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Who is the Trump Organization? Donald Trump is the only person to head his company.

I didn't say anything about a "person to head his company".

I said DJT the person is a separate legal entity from the Trump Organization. Which is true.

He probably has no personal checking account.

That's his problem. Trump Organization though, yep, still subject to business laws under the State of New York.

WW

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I didn't say anything about a "person to head his company".

I said DJT the person is a separate legal entity from the Trump Organization. Which is true.



That's his problem. Trump Organization though, yep, still subject to business laws under the State of New York.

WW

OK, if that is how their law works, they can fine him like they do other businesses and be done with it. He cannot go to jail since it was the company that paid the bill. They cannot have it both ways.

They thought they had him when Leticia James filed suit against the Trump organization, forgetting that there were no way to confine anyone related to the business for her charges.

 

[WorldWatcher]

OK, if that is how their law works, they can fine him like they do other businesses and be done with it. He cannot go to jail since it was the company that paid the bill.

Do you know where David Weisseilberg has been recently?

WW

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Do you know where David Weisseilberg has been recently?

WW

Yes, and that has nothing to do with what we are discussing. Would you please comeback to reality. I really do not enjoy conversing with the insane.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Yes, and that has nothing to do with what we are discussing. Would you please comeback to reality. I really do not enjoy conversing with the insane.

So you know that Weisseilberg has been in jail as the Chief Financial Officer or the Trump Organization (Business Entity) for improper business reporting of tax filings. Which counters the idea that people don't go to jail when they mess with business records.

Good.

If don't enjoy the conversation, then feel free to stop responding to facts.

WW

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

So you know that Weisseilberg has been in jail as the Chief Financial Officer or the Trump Organization (Business Entity) for improper business reporting of tax filings. Which counters the idea that people don't go to jail when they mess with business records.

Good.

If don't enjoy the conversation, then feel free to stop responding to facts.

WW

He went to jail because of his personal tax evasion. You don't understand the facts. Why do you apparently have a hard-on about this topic? You have proven wrong on numerous occasions, yet you continue to flounder on this topic due to your ignorance of the facts.

 

[WorldWatcher]

He went to jail because of his personal tax evasion. You don't understand the facts. Why do you apparently have a hard-on about this topic? You have proven wrong on numerous occasions, yet you continue to flounder on this topic due to your ignorance of the facts.

Yep, a plea deal reasulting from his testimony regrading the Trump Organization's falsification of records regarding taxes.

Actually I've been shown to be right in discussing the facts of the case.

As least I'm smart enough to recognize that an individual person and a business company are two different legal entities.

No floundering here, but that would be difficult for members of the cult to recognize.

So do you want to continue to insist that there is not difference between Trump the person and Trump Organization the business entity?

WW

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Yep, a plea deal reasulting from his testimony regrading the Trump Organization's falsification of records regarding taxes.

Actually I've been shown to be right in discussing the facts of the case.

As least I'm smart enough to recognize that an individual person and a business company are two different legal entities.

No floundering here, but that would be difficult for members of the cult to recognize.

So do you want to continue to insist that there is not difference between Trump the person and Trump Organization the business entity?

WW

You need to look up "incorporation". You think he has the goods on Trump that he didn't do himself? Trump knew nothing about the tax benefits that he was taking illegally.

 

[WorldWatcher]

You need to look up "incorporation".

Definition of INCORPORATION

the act or an instance of incorporating : something or the state of being incorporated; creation or formation of a legal corporation… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

No need. But if you need the help see the above link.

In context of this discussion it is the creation of a corporate legal entity. Of course corporate legal entities exist separate from the individual people. We own some stock in Verizon, it is a corporate entity. That doesn't mean that we are Verizon nor that Verizon is us.

You think he has the goods on Trump that he didn't do himself? Trump knew nothing about the tax benefits that he was taking illegally.

You're kind of all over the place here? Who he?

If you mean "Bragg"? I don't know, the evidence is not in the public sphere. All we really have to go on it what is in the Indictment and Statement of Facts before the court. More actual evidence won't be out for months.

WW

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Definition of INCORPORATION

the act or an instance of incorporating : something or the state of being incorporated; creation or formation of a legal corporation… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

No need. But if you need the help see the above link.

In context of this discussion it is the creation of a corporate legal entity. Of course corporate legal entities exist separate from the individual people. We own some stock in Verizon, it is a corporate entity. That doesn't mean that we are Verizon nor that Verizon is us.



You're kind of all over the place here? Who he?

If you mean "Bragg"? I don't know, the evidence is not in the public sphere. All we really have to go on it what is in the Indictment and Statement of Facts before the court. More actual evidence won't be out for months.

WW

I answered your fucking post, dipshit! I will discuss this no more. I used to have a great deal of respect for you, but your apparent TDS and living in a fantasy world is too much for me to handle. Goodbye moron!