wealth is unethical. everyone should make the same universal income

[Leo123]

There are 30 million low skilled workers. You got 30 million better jobs lined up if they only apply themselves more?

Not everybody has the drive to improve their situation, especially when they can get government cheese. Equality of outcome is Neo-Marxist and never works.

 

[Skull Pilot]

I'm not saying everyone gets a McMansion, goes to Harvard, and eats surf and turf every night.

I'm saying everyone with a job should be able to afford a cheap apartment, enough to eat, and enough to take care of themselves.

It they manage their money wisely, they can.
Employers should not be held responsible for employees dumb financial decisions.

Do you not realize that if an employer pays so little that the employee needs welfare to survive you are subsidizing the employer with government funds?

If you're an adult working a min wage job you failed at life.

Doesn’t excuse their exploitation while they hold low wage jobs. When that person moves on, they will replace him with another low wage worker

That's how low skilled low wage jobs have always worked.

Once a person gets some experience they either promote up or move on

 

[Leo123]

That's how low skilled low wage jobs have always worked.

Once a person gets some experience they either promote up or move on

Yes, and Neo-Marxists brainwash people into thinking that can no longer happen without their (Neo-Marxist) assistance which is a bald faced lie.

 

[Dekster]

everyone deserves access to affordable housing, free health care, and advanced education

If everyone made the same, housing prices would be affordable.

 

[EGR one]

I'm not saying everyone gets a McMansion, goes to Harvard, and eats surf and turf every night.

I'm saying everyone with a job should be able to afford a cheap apartment, enough to eat, and enough to take care of themselves.

That would be nice, but someone has to pay those wages, and they are also entitled to have a life. No one with any common sense is going to pay anyone more than what the service offered is worth.

It is your responsibility to improve your knowledge and skills so that you are worth more to a potential employer. It is not the employers responsibility to feed, house and clothe you and yours.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Really? Which nations have the same universal income for all citizens?

Who has ever advocated universal income other than rightwing fantasies

Ensuring people have access to affordable housing, healthcare and food does not constitute universal income

Affordable housing caused the Real Estate crash of 2008. Government healthcare programs caused healthcare to become unaffordable. Right now there is no great food problem but, let the organic freaks loose and there will be. Neo-Marxists fuck up everything.

Rampant speculation caused the crash

No, it was Barney Frank's oversight of Fannie Mae who created 'affordable housing' loans that allowed people to lie about their income qualification based on the false assumption that Real Estate values could never go down. Those mortgage instruments were certified by Fannie Mae which allowed them to be bundled into securities. Typical Neo-Marxists creating problems where none existed then.....Spending more money on government programs to solve the problems they created.

That is a joke

Republicans controlled Congress. How did Barney Frank get to run things

Dumbass....

 

[EGR one]

everyone deserves access to affordable housing, free health care, and advanced education

If everyone made the same, housing prices would be affordable.

Would that be a one bedroom walk up, or a villa on the beach? In your fantasy world, who drives the hugos and who drives the corvettes?

 

[Leo123]

everyone deserves access to affordable housing, free health care, and advanced education

If everyone made the same, housing prices would be affordable.

And all the houses would be the same......Except for the Neo-Marxist minders who would all have mansions.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

There are 30 million low skilled workers. You got 30 million better jobs lined up if they only apply themselves more?

Well, it certainly doesn't help having at least 11 million illegals taking many of those jobs at minimum rates.

It's like you commies deliberately created this problem so could bitch about is and gain support for your communist revolution.

The little sympathy I may have had has been beaten out of me by the barage of you ruthless Statists trying to infringe on my rights on a daily basis.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

If everyone made the same, housing prices would be affordable.

And nobody would have a doctor because few if anyone would do that hard-as-fuck job for the same pay as a toilet scrubber.

 

[Leo123]

What's really sad is most Neo-Marxists don't even realize they are. Marxist thinking is promoted by the MSM and Democrat party.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I'm not saying everyone gets a McMansion, goes to Harvard, and eats surf and turf every night.

I'm saying everyone with a job should be able to afford a cheap apartment, enough to eat, and enough to take care of themselves.

That is why they should have studied harder in school so they can earn a better living.

Join the military, or attend night classes. Learn a real skill that will allow you to earn more.

No one owes you a living simply because you are lazy and stupid.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

everyone deserves access to affordable housing, free health care, and advanced education

Very true

Most countries understand that

Venzelua? It worked sooooo well lol

Canada, Denmark, Finland, Sweden, Switzerland, Iceland, Singapore, Japan, the Netherlands, France, Belgium - all of the countries in the top 10 Best Countries to Live innthe World.

Too bad the US can’t make that list.

It was in the news today that Finland is dropping their minimum income subsidy. They quickly found out too many people are lazy shitbirds who prefer to lay on their ass instead of work!

 

[EGR one]

rightwinger Crepitus Dragonlady
You bottom feeders have totally exposed yourselves...you do realize that no one even semi successful ever says....”Others should pay my way, I deserve it because I breathe oxygen and have a heartbeat.”
Haha...you crazy whackos.

Only conservatives trivialize social programs as......others should pay my way

Modern societies look at it as helping those who need help.
Conservatives look at it as.......let em die

People survived in America before any government social programs existed. Children went to school in America before any state or federal funding existed. People got medical care in America before any federal funding existed. People still live below the poverty line, People still go to school, but the schools are often poor, and medical care for the needy is worse than ever. Be careful what you ask government for, because you may get it.

 

[EGR one]

rightwinger Crepitus Dragonlady
You bottom feeders have totally exposed yourselves...you do realize that no one even semi successful ever says....”Others should pay my way, I deserve it because I breathe oxygen and have a heartbeat.”
Haha...you crazy whackos.

Only conservatives trivialize social programs as......others should pay my way

Modern societies look at it as helping those who need help.
Conservatives look at it as.......let em die

Holy shit...you’re crazier than I ever thought you were. It’s the Free Shit Army fools like you that trivialize social programs...they shouldn’t even be called “social programs”...that’s way too glamorous...they should be referred to as free shit programs for beggars and filthy fucks.
Hey look, you want levels of communism and lots of free shit for lowlifes...surely you’d want population control to go along with it...no?
I mean, at some point, with the way wetbacks and blacks burn through resources and breed like rodents the well would eventually run dry...no?

Free Shit?

Are you fucking kidding me?

We just gave a $1.5 trillion tax cut to corporations and billionaires and you guys moan over someone on welfare having a phone

We didn't give them anything. We just didn't take it away from them.

 

[Dekster]

everyone deserves access to affordable housing, free health care, and advanced education

If everyone made the same, housing prices would be affordable.

Would that be a one bedroom walk up, or a villa on the beach? In your fantasy world, who drives the hugos and who drives the corvettes?

It would be a shanty made from found trash that wasn't getting collected.

 

[EGR one]

It they manage their money wisely, they can.
Employers should not be held responsible for employees dumb financial decisions.

Do you not realize that if an employer pays so little that the employee needs welfare to survive you are subsidizing the employer with government funds?

If you're an adult working a min wage job you failed at life.

Doesn’t excuse their exploitation while they hold low wage jobs. When that person moves on, they will replace him with another low wage worker

Who in turn should move on.
If you dont work to better your situation you have no one to blame but yourself.

That’s the point

That ladder to success is no longer there. Low skilled labor used to move towards manufacturing or maybe a union job where they could support a family. Those jobs have disappeared.

Yea you can enter a minimum wage job and maybe move up to ten bucks an hour. But the track to twenty dollar an hour jobs is not there

Yes, it is there in the form of community colleges and trade schools. Trucking companies will pay to train truck drivers. The military has excellent training opportunities for those who apply themselves. One just has to get off his ass and look for a better life.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

everyone deserves access to affordable housing, free health care, and advanced education

If everyone made the same, housing prices would be affordable.

Exactly!
That's why there was plenty of housing in all the socialist paradises like East Germany
and the Soviet Union.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

everyone deserves access to affordable housing, free health care, and advanced education

If everyone made the same, housing prices would be affordable.

Would that be a one bedroom walk up, or a villa on the beach? In your fantasy world, who drives the hugos and who drives the corvettes?

In your fantasy world, who drives the hugos and who drives the corvettes?

Right now, Satan is driving Hugo.

In the socialist hellholes, the people got on 10 year waiting lists to drive a Yugo.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

After reading this thread I've come to the conclusion that you lefties are becoming more unhinged by the day.
You have no clue when it comes to human nature or economics.
Which of course are tied at the hip.