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Classic blame the victim for their povertyI think this thread emphasizes the difference in how mainstream conservatives and mainstream liberals view poverty in this nation.
Speaking for myself, poverty in America is a symptom and not a disease.
And I firmly believe that the largest cause (the real disease) of poverty in America is self inflicted. Primarily a result of a long term poor decisions coupled with laziness. To get out of poverty, one must change what they are doing. You can't keep doing all of the things that is causing your condition and expect someone else to fix it all for you. Enter liberals. This is how they see poverty. Something tangible that can be fixed by throwing money at it. That is short sided, and despite catastrophic results of liberal social policies of the 60's and 70's that dramatically GREW the problem rather than fix it....they still want to hold on to the ridiculous theory
Classic blame the victim for their povertyI think this thread emphasizes the difference in how mainstream conservatives and mainstream liberals view poverty in this nation.
Speaking for myself, poverty in America is a symptom and not a disease.
And I firmly believe that the largest cause (the real disease) of poverty in America is self inflicted. Primarily a result of a long term poor decisions coupled with laziness. To get out of poverty, one must change what they are doing. You can't keep doing all of the things that is causing your condition and expect someone else to fix it all for you. Enter liberals. This is how they see poverty. Something tangible that can be fixed by throwing money at it. That is short sided, and despite catastrophic results of liberal social policies of the 60's and 70's that dramatically GREW the problem rather than fix it....they still want to hold on to the ridiculous theory
Many poor people work very hard. Menial jobs that used to support a family but no longer do. Manufacturing jobs used to be a stepping stone out of poverty......they are mostly gone. Few low skilled jobs offer benefits
The ladder to success is missing too many rungs
Menial jobs used to pay a wage you could support a family on. They no longer do.Classic blame the victim for their povertyI think this thread emphasizes the difference in how mainstream conservatives and mainstream liberals view poverty in this nation.
Speaking for myself, poverty in America is a symptom and not a disease.
And I firmly believe that the largest cause (the real disease) of poverty in America is self inflicted. Primarily a result of a long term poor decisions coupled with laziness. To get out of poverty, one must change what they are doing. You can't keep doing all of the things that is causing your condition and expect someone else to fix it all for you. Enter liberals. This is how they see poverty. Something tangible that can be fixed by throwing money at it. That is short sided, and despite catastrophic results of liberal social policies of the 60's and 70's that dramatically GREW the problem rather than fix it....they still want to hold on to the ridiculous theory
Many poor people work very hard. Menial jobs that used to support a family but no longer do. Manufacturing jobs used to be a stepping stone out of poverty......they are mostly gone. Few low skilled jobs offer benefits
The ladder to success is missing too many rungs
Victim. Of what?
Do you seriously believe there is no significant correlation between poverty and poor life choices??
Who made those choices?
You bet manufacturing is gone. You know what RW,...if HALF, just half of liberals in America would refuse to buy products made in China, Vietnam...refuse to buy appliances that moved to Mexico...and instead gave two seconds of effort to choose American made whenever possible - manufacturing would be back. But that isn't going to happen.
Bringing good jobs back to America REQUIRES a demand for those products. Demand from liberals also.
But gee....truth is...conservatives do more to find American made products than liberals.
And not to say conservatives on average try and buy American...not even close...but of the few that do, I bet my house most are conservative.
Not the poor, they were here when there were jobs also.Menial jobs used to pay a wage you could support a family on. They no longer do.
It is the capitalists who shipped jobs over seas, it is the capitalists who just received a 50 percent tax cut and have not increased wages, it is the capitalists who have held down wages for over a decade
It is the poor who have suffered
If our useless government would control who is allowed to enter and work here, the unskilled labor market would improve, forcing employers to compete for workers, rather than the other way around.Glad you ask.....
Let’s start with housing, healthcare and food that working Americans can afford without government assistance
If our “job creators” would pay a living age, we wouldn’t need the government to subsidize them
As I said, wages are a function of a flooded job market.Menial jobs used to pay a wage you could support a family on. They no longer do.
It is the capitalists who shipped jobs over seas, it is the capitalists who just received a 50 percent tax cut and have not increased wages, it is the capitalists who have held down wages for over a decade
It is the poor who have suffered
Forcing lenders to loan money to unqualified individuals (allegedly for the sake of equality) to purchase homes way beyond the borrower's means, on a 5-year, ballooning, interest-only note, is what caused the crash. Everything else was a symptom only.Rampant speculation caused the crash
This statement implies that someone is a perpetrator, which is more fucked-up Marxist reasoning.Classic blame the victim for their poverty
Yet, you love, praise, and support one of the primary causes of this condition---ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION!!!Many poor people work very hard. Menial jobs that used to support a family but no longer do. Manufacturing jobs used to be a stepping stone out of poverty......they are mostly gone. Few low skilled jobs offer benefits
The ladder to success is missing too many rungs
There is nothing unethical about pricing the cost of labor and paying accordingly.Yes, but wealth is not unethical. Wealth generated by paying your employees so little they need foodstamps to feed themselves even though they have a full time job is though. So is wealth generated by price gouging on necessities like medical care or medicine.everyone deserves access to affordable housing, free health care, and advanced education
They can. They just need a better job.I'm not saying everyone gets a McMansion, goes to Harvard, and eats surf and turf every night.
I'm saying everyone with a job should be able to afford a cheap apartment, enough to eat, and enough to take care of themselves.
Do you not realize that if an employer pays so little that the employee needs welfare to survive you are subsidizing the employer with government funds?I'm not saying everyone gets a McMansion, goes to Harvard, and eats surf and turf every night.
I'm saying everyone with a job should be able to afford a cheap apartment, enough to eat, and enough to take care of themselves.
It they manage their money wisely, they can.
Employers should not be held responsible for employees dumb financial decisions.
BullshitIf our useless government would control who is allowed to enter and work here, the unskilled labor market would improve, forcing employers to compete for workers, rather than the other way around.Glad you ask.....
Let’s start with housing, healthcare and food that working Americans can afford without government assistance
If our “job creators” would pay a living age, we wouldn’t need the government to subsidize them
Show me where anyone is advocating anything like universal incomeCan anyone show where a serious proposal for universal income has ever been made?
Finland Has Second Thoughts About Giving Free Money to Jobless People
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In THIS country
These things are done in baby steps in order to get people to go along. It is like the frog in the pot of water...
Do you not realize that if an employer pays so little that the employee needs welfare to survive you are subsidizing the employer with government funds?I'm not saying everyone gets a McMansion, goes to Harvard, and eats surf and turf every night.
I'm saying everyone with a job should be able to afford a cheap apartment, enough to eat, and enough to take care of themselves.
It they manage their money wisely, they can.
Employers should not be held responsible for employees dumb financial decisions.
If you're an adult working a min wage job you failed at life.
Show me where anyone is advocating anything like universal incomeCan anyone show where a serious proposal for universal income has ever been made?
Finland Has Second Thoughts About Giving Free Money to Jobless People
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In THIS country
These things are done in baby steps in order to get people to go along. It is like the frog in the pot of water...
As I said, baby steps.
They are still working on getting us to accept universal health care, income is the step after that.
everyone deserves access to affordable housing, free health care, and advanced education
Do you not realize that if an employer pays so little that the employee needs welfare to survive you are subsidizing the employer with government funds?I'm not saying everyone gets a McMansion, goes to Harvard, and eats surf and turf every night.
I'm saying everyone with a job should be able to afford a cheap apartment, enough to eat, and enough to take care of themselves.
It they manage their money wisely, they can.
Employers should not be held responsible for employees dumb financial decisions.
If you're an adult working a min wage job you failed at life.
Doesn’t excuse their exploitation while they hold low wage jobs. When that person moves on, they will replace him with another low wage worker
Because that is how societies workComes with belonging to a societyVery trueeveryone deserves access to affordable housing, free health care, and advanced education
Most countries understand that
Interesting. Why would one 'deserve' that?
Great societies do not rely on “every man for himself”
Explain. Why would one deserve something from others simply by virtue of existing?
Because that is how societies workComes with belonging to a societyVery trueeveryone deserves access to affordable housing, free health care, and advanced education
Most countries understand that
Interesting. Why would one 'deserve' that?
Great societies do not rely on “every man for himself”
Explain. Why would one deserve something from others simply by virtue of existing?
"International: McKinsey report identifies basic income as a potential response to automation"everyone deserves access to affordable housing, free health care, and advanced education
I want the government to protect me from lefturds.Who is preventing some people from having access to housing, healthcare, and food? Who is being cheated?Ensuring people have access to affordable housing, healthcare and food does not constitute universal income
The purpose of government is to protect the liberty of individuals to provide for themselves without violent interference from other individuals. Government's purpose is NOT to BECOME the violent interference.
